Author Topic: New flexible plans, no daily limits. Shutterstock? (Read 16553 times)

Artist · « **on:** May 05, 2015, 06:47 »

I got this email from Shutterstock.. Lets see if this benefits us or looses us more..

Noedelhap · « **Reply #1 on:** May 05, 2015, 07:25 »

They're giving away more rights for the same price. I'd say we lose more.

Mantis · « **Reply #2 on:** May 05, 2015, 07:32 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on May 05, 2015, 07:25

They're giving away more rights for the same price. I'd say we lose more.

I was just about to write the same thing. How can this possibly be good? I will give one concrete example. Once they gave away print runs (I think up to 500k) to regular licenses I have not gotten a single $28 EL commission in three months. That tells me that most buyers do not need more than 500k print runs and SS has thus given up the rooster on EL's in exchange for more revenue in subscription non-uses. Their math, their magic, our loss.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #3 on:** May 05, 2015, 07:53 »

I'm sorry, what is that about "digital templates"?

The license states:
"AN ENHANCED IMAGE LICENSE grants you the right to use Images:
...
Incorporated as elements of digital templates for sale or distribution."

That is not a "standard license". According to the submitter TOS, they are not allowed to change those terms without 90 day notice.

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #4 on:** May 05, 2015, 08:06 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on May 05, 2015, 07:53

I'm sorry, what is that about "digital templates"?

The license states:
"AN ENHANCED IMAGE LICENSE grants you the right to use Images:
...
Incorporated as elements of digital templates for sale or distribution."

That is not a "standard license". According to the submitter TOS, they are not allowed to change those terms without 90 day notice.

sean is right, we should all for sure question this . should be an opt in , right???
time to twitter oringer for sure ppl

ultimagina · « **Reply #5 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:05 »

Quote from: Mantis on May 05, 2015, 07:32

I have not gotten a single $28 EL commission in three months.

April ~1 EL for every 100 photos in my port
March ~1 EL/100
Feb ~1 EL/250
Jan ~1 EL/250
Dec ~1 EL/100
Nov ~1 EL/500
Oct ~1 EL/100

As you can see, I don't share your doom and gloom. I don't see a drop in my EL sales. Maybe not yet.

objowl · « **Reply #6 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:06 »

Another flexible plan to see how far we bend before we snap.

Mantis · « **Reply #7 on:** May 05, 2015, 10:51 »

Quote from: ultimagaina on May 05, 2015, 09:05

Quote from: Mantis on May 05, 2015, 07:32
I have not gotten a single $28 EL commission in three months.

April ~1 EL for every 100 photos in my port
March ~1 EL/100
Feb ~1 EL/250
Jan ~1 EL/250
Dec ~1 EL/100
Nov ~1 EL/500
Oct ~1 EL/100

As you can see, I don't share your doom and gloom. I don't see a drop in my EL sales. Maybe not yet.

Obviously mileage varies. When i speak about issues its based on my personal experience. I do not speak for you. And for the record i am pleased someone is still getting them. Congrats.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #8 on:** May 05, 2015, 10:51 »

Its all going to shits

gbalex · « **Reply #9 on:** May 05, 2015, 11:25 »

Anything to gain market share, ever downward for the benefit of the chosen golden few!

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #10 on:** May 05, 2015, 12:56 »

If you look at the current license comparison page, it appears to exclude templates from a standard license, although the wording differs slightly

http://www.shutterstock.com/license_comparison.mhtml?hsb=1

(I kept a screen shot in case it changes without notice)

The fact that they're telling buyers about license changes and not even putting something on their blog for contributors is pretty cavalier, IMO. Isn't there some VP with the title of Contributor Success? Does this person realize that includes our long term financial well being as SS suppliers?

More rights for the same money is a royalty decrease, masked the same way boxed products do it - same price as before, but now there are only 80 tissues instead of 105 in the box...

stockastic · « **Reply #11 on:** May 05, 2015, 14:18 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 05, 2015, 12:56

Isn't there some VP with the title of Contributor Success?

Hilarious. This could be a skit at their Christmas party.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 05, 2015, 14:18 »

I haven't received any email

M*****F******

Ava Glass · « **Reply #13 on:** May 05, 2015, 20:54 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on May 05, 2015, 07:53

I'm sorry, what is that about "digital templates"?

Maybe the person making the email messed up. Digital templates are still ELs according to SS's latest (3/30) terms.

skyfish · « **Reply #14 on:** May 06, 2015, 00:52 »

Aren't any confusions in favour of agencies?

r2d2 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 06, 2015, 01:24 »

We just have to get rid of the greedy agencies...

Artist · « **Reply #16 on:** May 06, 2015, 02:15 »

Quote from: r2d2 on May 06, 2015, 01:24

We just have to get rid of the greedy agencies...

You are very right..

We do whatever, agencies have highest priority for buyers and lowest priority for contributors.

If we get rid of them, agencies will not be affected.. Instead we will surely be..

I sometimes feel trapped.. $:-\$

r2d2 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 06, 2015, 03:13 »

Quote from: cgartist on May 06, 2015, 02:15

Quote from: r2d2 on May 06, 2015, 01:24
We just have to get rid of the greedy agencies...

You are very right..

We do whatever, agencies have highest priority for buyers and lowest priority for contributors.

If we get rid of them, agencies will not be affected.. Instead we will surely be..

I sometimes feel trapped.. $:-\$

I think in the future is some hope ...

Self hosting is always easier for example Wordpress+WooCommerce+Digital media plug in.
The next step is only a global Search Engine. Maybe it's already the google image search.
Then no more agencies are needed

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #18 on:** May 06, 2015, 03:28 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on May 05, 2015, 14:18

I haven't received any email

Me neither. And I do have a buyers account. Maybe its region related as we both are in Europe.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #19 on:** May 06, 2015, 03:33 »

Quote from: r2d2 on May 06, 2015, 03:13

Quote from: cgartist on May 06, 2015, 02:15
Quote from: r2d2 on May 06, 2015, 01:24
We just have to get rid of the greedy agencies...

You are very right..

We do whatever, agencies have highest priority for buyers and lowest priority for contributors.

If we get rid of them, agencies will not be affected.. Instead we will surely be..

I sometimes feel trapped.. $:-\$

I think in the future is some hope ...

Self hosting is always easier for example Wordpress+WooCommerce+Digital media plug in.
The next step is only a global Search Engine. Maybe it's already the google image search.
Then no more agencies are needed

Yesterday I was searching for some images on Google, the first 200-300 images were mostly from agencies. Its hard to get your images between those images.

Plus a buyer needs to know that they can purchase a single image and dont have to subscribe etc. When I purchase an image its always from CanStockPhoto or Symbio sites as they offer me a single image and credit card / PayPal checkout. I dont want to subscribe, I dont want to buy credits, I dont want to by 5 images. Thats why I purchase from CanStockPhoto or Symbio and I would consider it a USP these days.

skyfish · « **Reply #20 on:** May 06, 2015, 03:36 »

Company which supports search engine is acting like an agency. There are expenses, knowledge, time invested. The only difference that problem of give away for free or removing of photos will go away. We are working on one kind of solution and it is not just a search engine, otherwise it is no hope project. Many things will go in offline mode because of sales work. I think in case of traditional agencies this offline work is not visible for many people too. Feedbacks from potential customers are often contradicting with interests of photographers. Yes i see that buyers side tries to press and always referencing examples of agencies like yay, ft etc. These people cannot be our clients because they actually want to receive for free but with legal protection. In the same time we discovered many niches and future of stock imagery exists.

r2d2 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 06, 2015, 04:19 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on May 06, 2015, 03:33

Quote from: r2d2 on May 06, 2015, 03:13
Quote from: cgartist on May 06, 2015, 02:15
Quote from: r2d2 on May 06, 2015, 01:24
We just have to get rid of the greedy agencies...

You are very right..

We do whatever, agencies have highest priority for buyers and lowest priority for contributors.

If we get rid of them, agencies will not be affected.. Instead we will surely be..

I sometimes feel trapped.. $:-\$

I think in the future is some hope ...

Self hosting is always easier for example Wordpress+WooCommerce+Digital media plug in.
The next step is only a global Search Engine. Maybe it's already the google image search.
Then no more agencies are needed
Yesterday I was searching for some images on Google, the first 200-300 images were mostly from agencies. Its hard to get your images between those images.

Plus a buyer needs to know that they can purchase a single image and dont have to subscribe etc. When I purchase an image its always from CanStockPhoto or Symbio sites as they offer me a single image and credit card / PayPal checkout. I dont want to subscribe, I dont want to buy credits, I dont want to by 5 images. Thats why I purchase from CanStockPhoto or Symbio and I would consider it a USP these days.

The agency monopolies will fall in the future because they are simply unnecessary and too expensive for buyers and sellers.

For example if I want to buy a monitor I do not buy through an agency but I'll find a good deal through google. Maybe ebay or amazon but they take about 10%.
Why should it not also go for digital goods?
Of course, Google, eBay, Amazon, etc. are also monopolists but cheaper than microstock agencies.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 06, 2015, 04:57 »

Too expensive ?!?!?! You think selling an image for 20-30 cent is too expensive??

r2d2 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 06, 2015, 05:05 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on May 06, 2015, 04:57

Too expensive ?!?!?! You think selling an image for 20-30 cent is too expensive??

No! do not get me wrong

Between buyer and seller is sitting the agency who gets the majority of the purchase price.
Is the agency away there is a win win situation.

ok, the biggest winner would be the contributor!

luissantos84 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 08, 2015, 07:45 »

is that all MSG members?

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