Just signed up for a buyers account. I have to say first glance, nothing special. Images that we all could have created. Search for London or kids and see what I mean.I guess it's all about accomplished artists and curated collections just like thay said.
I do get the feel its the same style of images as Stocksy.
I was expecting to be blown away, but I have seen better images on Shutterstock to be honest.
What do you think?
You have to "be invited" (sign up) just to LOOK?!
Or psychotically burying images. ::)You have to "be invited" (sign up) just to LOOK?!
It's the new business model of psychically buying images. ;)
Did anyone notice the "interested in becoming an offset artist? notice on their invitation?
| "Interested in becoming an Offset Artist? Email [email protected]" |
I'm surprised how stocksyesque it looks. I would say Stocksy looks a lot like OFFSET but Stocksy opened over a month ago ... so, OFFSET sure looks a lot like stocksy.
I'm surprised how stocksyesque it looks. I would say Stocksy looks a lot like OFFSET but Stocksy opened over a month ago ... so, OFFSET sure looks a lot like stocksy.
I think Stocksy is more offbeat, with trendy editing. Offset reminds of stuff I had to shoot for college (and still very much SS's style), full of colour and 'correct' composition and 'correct' depth of field.
But I have to stay when I scroll through the stocksy work it is (for the most part) a visual delight. Less so on offset (although i've only spent 5 mins on the site, but hey, if you can't grab a buyer in those first 5 minutes with your best stuff....) the home page photo looks very instagrammy and i can't work out why they aren't showing off a dozen images on that first page? *shrug* their sandbox.
But I do love the concept - it would be a great place to put stuff that isn't quite iS/SS and isn't quite stocksy. :D
how so? for all the whining about Stocksy being a 'closed' co-op, Offset clearly is more so, at this stage. I hope I get the opportunity to pitch some content, I love my vintage, soft pastel style for stocksy, but there's plenty of times when I shoot "straight".
... I bet you would rather have joined up with Offset, wouldnt you? now its too late. :)
One thing I would suggest to some here is that since it is a "by invitation only" I would not throw out the email to become an artist to be available to those who have not been invited!They even post it on Twitter !! So I dont think its a big secret
Might not be a good thing to do and could come back to bite you. :(
Some of us dont do twitter and tweeting like all the little dweebs do!One thing I would suggest to some here is that since it is a "by invitation only" I would not throw out the email to become an artist to be available to those who have not been invited!They even post it on Twitter !! So I dont think its a big secret
Might not be a good thing to do and could come back to bite you. :(
So basically because you dont Twitter and have no clue whats going on there, you warn somebody that he could get in trouble, over something completely made up because you have no clue whats going on around you and then when someone points it out you change the subject and revert to calling everybody that use Twitter dweebs, which in fact is also Offset. LOL.Some of us dont do twitter and tweeting like all the little dweebs do!One thing I would suggest to some here is that since it is a "by invitation only" I would not throw out the email to become an artist to be available to those who have not been invited!They even post it on Twitter !! So I dont think its a big secret
Might not be a good thing to do and could come back to bite you. :(
Movie, sports stars and businesses are not the dweebs so your lost on that!So basically because you dont Twitter and have no clue whats going on there, you warn somebody that he could get in trouble, over something completely made up because you have no clue whats going on around you and then when someone points it out you change the subject and revert to calling everybody that use Twitter dweebs, which in fact is also Offset. LOL.Some of us dont do twitter and tweeting like all the little dweebs do!One thing I would suggest to some here is that since it is a "by invitation only" I would not throw out the email to become an artist to be available to those who have not been invited!They even post it on Twitter !! So I dont think its a big secret
Might not be a good thing to do and could come back to bite you. :(
So the top photographers on Offset, who are following Offset on Twitter are dweeps? Gotcha.Movie, sports stars and businesses are not the dweebs so your lost on that!So basically because you dont Twitter and have no clue whats going on there, you warn somebody that he could get in trouble, over something completely made up because you have no clue whats going on around you and then when someone points it out you change the subject and revert to calling everybody that use Twitter dweebs, which in fact is also Offset. LOL.Some of us dont do twitter and tweeting like all the little dweebs do!One thing I would suggest to some here is that since it is a "by invitation only" I would not throw out the email to become an artist to be available to those who have not been invited!They even post it on Twitter !! So I dont think its a big secret
Might not be a good thing to do and could come back to bite you. :(
The big companies, movie stars, sports figures and all post on there to see how many dweebs are following them so they know how to market and direct their products and to what audience!
So you evidently have no idea who a dweeb is I see!
Dweebs are the faithful following fools whose life revolves around what the movie, sports athlete or business is doing because they have no real life only a life of fantasy that they wish they had!
Usually known as teen dweebs.
OK then maybe you could share your knowledge oh wise one as to why some people that requested an invitation were denied an invitation????One thing I would suggest to some here is that since it is a "by invitation only" I would not throw out the email to become an artist to be available to those who have not been invited!They even post it on Twitter !! So I dont think its a big secret
Might not be a good thing to do and could come back to bite you. :(
LOL, it took you 4 hours to come up with that? So Jake on SS just told you he is done arguing with you and now you come here to argue with me? I am also done arguing with you. Go find someone else to annoy with your endless fallacies. You are the master of argument from inertia.OK then maybe you could share your knowledge oh wise one as to why some people that requested an invitation were denied an invitation????One thing I would suggest to some here is that since it is a "by invitation only" I would not throw out the email to become an artist to be available to those who have not been invited!They even post it on Twitter !! So I dont think its a big secret
Might not be a good thing to do and could come back to bite you. :(
Only because it took someone until then to post about being denied the invitation!LOL, it took you 4 hours to come up with that? So Jake on SS just told you he is done arguing with you and now you come here to argue with me? I am also done arguing with you. Go find someone else to annoy with your endless fallacies. You are the master of argument from inertia.OK then maybe you could share your knowledge oh wise one as to why some people that requested an invitation were denied an invitation????One thing I would suggest to some here is that since it is a "by invitation only" I would not throw out the email to become an artist to be available to those who have not been invited!They even post it on Twitter !! So I dont think its a big secret
Might not be a good thing to do and could come back to bite you. :(
is that for me? i googled Sarah Moon and I'm nothing like her stuff.how so? for all the whining about Stocksy being a 'closed' co-op, Offset clearly is more so, at this stage. I hope I get the opportunity to pitch some content, I love my vintage, soft pastel style for stocksy, but there's plenty of times when I shoot "straight".
Agree! I like your Sarah Moon style, soft pastels as well. good stuff! not very often seen nowadays actually. Stuff like that would also do well at Offset, so you go for it! when time comes. :)
Silly names - Offset and Stocksy both.
is that for me? i googled Sarah Moon and I'm nothing like her stuff.how so? for all the whining about Stocksy being a 'closed' co-op, Offset clearly is more so, at this stage. I hope I get the opportunity to pitch some content, I love my vintage, soft pastel style for stocksy, but there's plenty of times when I shoot "straight".
Agree! I like your Sarah Moon style, soft pastels as well. good stuff! not very often seen nowadays actually. Stuff like that would also do well at Offset, so you go for it! when time comes. :)
Front page is truly horrible, IMO.I agree, that's the only reason I remembered the google nexus page. It annoyed me so much I just left.
Yep, I'd never seen the nexus page, and I don't like that either. However it's pandering to the young and cool, whereas isn't Offset supposed to be classy?Front page is truly horrible, IMO.I agree, that's the only reason I remembered the google nexus page. It annoyed me so much I just left.
I think they have a stunningly beautiful collection. Really well chosen images. I love stocksy more, but offset is the other really interesting agency on the net right now IMO.
The style is less trendy or artistic than stocksy but they have great, very timeless work. More European in style. And although I am sure you can find similar images on many micros, the customer is paying for the time they save. That is the whole advantage of prefiltered collections, you are paying for the service more than the image.
What I don´t understand is the bias against photographers who also supply micros, including Shutterstock. Apparently if you supply SS then they will not consider you for offset. At least this is the word from a thread on their own forums.
That is a great pity because SS has fantastic artists with a huge selection of work. It is strange they should be rejected from the more high end brand.
What makes an image Lifestyle?
I think they have a stunningly beautiful collection. Really well chosen images.Yes, based on a couple of categories I looked at, I agree.
I hope it goes without saying that in the "big picture" (no pun intended) we're more committed to our "core" contributors than ever before and we're also focused on creating additional opportunities for you. For the time being, this new brand has a specific point-of-view and participation is by invite only. In the future, we expect that every contributor will have the opportunity to be considered for inclusion in the Offset collection as we continue to maintain the outstanding quality that we have in our core collection.
[url]http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129466&highlight=offset[/url] ([url]http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129466&highlight=offset[/url])QuoteI hope it goes without saying that in the "big picture" (no pun intended) we're more committed to our "core" contributors than ever before and we're also focused on creating additional opportunities for you. For the time being, this new brand has a specific point-of-view and participation is by invite only. In the future, we expect that every contributor will have the opportunity to be considered for inclusion in the Offset collection as we continue to maintain the outstanding quality that we have in our core collection.
What makes an image Lifestyle?
What makes an image 'authentic'?
Meaningless marketspeak, probably, like 'real people, real places', which means nothing much. A model in a studio is a real person in a real place.
Well, just applied today and guess I'll see what happens! :)So Shutterstock Offset is trying to compete with Getty RM right? Why not license your work through Getty, wouldn't you get a higher royalty rate for your work there? I'm a little surprised that people here would be excited about another company undercutting royalty rates for contributors.
I like both sites(Stocksy and Offset)...very different in style but that's good.
Well, just applied today and guess I'll see what happens! :)So Shutterstock Offset is trying to compete with Getty RM right? Why not license your work through Getty, wouldn't you get a higher royalty rate for your work there?
I like both sites(Stocksy and Offset)...very different in style but that's good.
So you are saying you would rather get a lower royalty rate from Offset than a higher royalty rate from Getty (25% higher at Getty for creative RM)? Just to be clear. I'm comparing Offset to Getty RM because that is what they've said is where they want to compete.Well, just applied today and guess I'll see what happens! :)So Shutterstock Offset is trying to compete with Getty RM right? Why not license your work through Getty, wouldn't you get a higher royalty rate for your work there?
I like both sites(Stocksy and Offset)...very different in style but that's good.
I was ask to join Getty but declined. I dislike what they did to IStock and hate them with a passion!
They are many other agencies to place your exclusive or RM images in besides Getty! :)
Are the images for Offset exclusive? I thought they don´t want exclusive files and many of the files on offset are also available elsewhere.I think we'll need to hear a little more about that, I have a feeling Shutterstock wouldn't let you license the same images on Offset and Shutterstock. Maybe something like it's nonexclusive but you can't undercut Offset. Maybe Sandralise can get some information, but then again she couldn't tell us anything she finds out could she?
This would be a major advantage to the artist. They could still sell from other sites with similar price point, or their own site.
So you are saying you would rather get a lower royalty rate from Offset than a higher royalty rate from Getty (25% higher at Getty for creative RM)? Just to be clear. I'm comparing Offset to Getty RM because that is what they've said is where they want to compete.I was ask to join Getty but declined. I dislike what they did to IStock and hate them with a passion!Well, just applied today and guess I'll see what happens! :)So Shutterstock Offset is trying to compete with Getty RM right? Why not license your work through Getty, wouldn't you get a higher royalty rate for your work there?
I like both sites(Stocksy and Offset)...very different in style but that's good.
They are many other agencies to place your exclusive or RM images in besides Getty! :)
I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...
You said you were asked to contribute though.I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...
Well said, Lee! :)
You said you were asked to contribute though.I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...
Well said, Lee! :)
You said you were asked to contribute though.I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...
Well said, Lee! :)
Yes I was and I declined...so?
You said you were asked to contribute though.I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...
Well said, Lee! :)
Yes I was and I declined...so?
Fair enough, you're allowed to chose the lower royalty rate at Offset over Getty. I was just trying to understand that better but what about choosing Offset over Stocksy, they should be fighting for the same customers shouldn't they? Seems to me that Stocksy should raise their prices 100% or more.You said you were asked to contribute though.I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...
Well said, Lee! :)
Yes I wasand I declined...so? ???
Fair enough, you're allowed to chose the lower royalty rate at Offset over Getty. I was just trying to understand that better but what about choosing Offset over Stocksy, they should be fighting for the same customers shouldn't they? Seems to me that Stocksy should raise their prices 100% or more.You said you were asked to contribute though.I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...
Well said, Lee! :)
Yes I wasand I declined...so? ???
It is not a lower royalty. Getty only pays 20% for Rf, so Offset is already paying significantly more. And 40% was only for RM in your home territory wasn´t it - rest of the world is lower??I wasn't comparing Stocksy to Getty RM I was comparing Offset to both of them. Shutterstock has said that they want to take sales from Getty RM, that's why I'm comparing those two. What SS said (it looks like that part is attributed to a SS spokesman) is that "Offset seeks to upend that entirely, as the first set of high-end images sold royalty-free, online, without an agent." talking about Getty RM. They are offering what they say is more efficient revenue (lower costs for SS) and paying contributors less.
Plus in a brand new and extremly small collection your chances to be seen and your files to be sold are excellent. Much better than drowning in a sea of millions...where wholly owned content and favouredcontributorsprofessionals come up first...
Also, if you want to compare royalties, you need to look at the same license. The RM market is "completly different" as our longtime swedish member keeps pointing out. And he has been doing it since 92! So he knows all about it :)
stocksy pays out 50%, plus 100% of extended licenses, plus shares profits with artists. So even at a lower price point to the customer the results for the artist are very good.
The other important question for the contributors is in how many cases Offset actually achieves a sales price that is close to the price listed on the website. As we all know Getty has a huge variance in what customers pay so even with RM files and nominal high prices you might still end up with 5 dollar licenses, although the list price is hundreds of dollars. This is also what makes stocksy so interesting. They are already starting off at the "real" price point many high end customers are used too after their "special" discounts.
Sandra you need to check your submissions at Stocksy, they are suppose to be exclusive, you have them at DT as well :)
Do you have a link to the Getty 40%? Wont the vast majority of people here that don't do many photos of their local area only get 20% from Getty? 20% sure seems like less than 30% to me :)It is not a lower royalty. Getty only pays 20% for Rf, so Offset is already paying significantly more. And 40% was only for RM in your home territory wasn´t it - rest of the world is lower??I wasn't comparing Stocksy to Getty RM I was comparing Offset to both of them. Shutterstock has said that they want to take sales from Getty RM, that's why I'm comparing those two. What SS said (it looks like that part is attributed to a SS spokesman) is that "Offset seeks to upend that entirely, as the first set of high-end images sold royalty-free, online, without an agent." talking about Getty RM. They are offering what they say is more efficient revenue (lower costs for SS) and paying contributors less.
Plus in a brand new and extremly small collection your chances to be seen and your files to be sold are excellent. Much better than drowning in a sea of millions...where wholly owned content and favouredcontributorsprofessionals come up first...
Also, if you want to compare royalties, you need to look at the same license. The RM market is "completly different" as our longtime swedish member keeps pointing out. And he has been doing it since 92! So he knows all about it :)
stocksy pays out 50%, plus 100% of extended licenses, plus shares profits with artists. So even at a lower price point to the customer the results for the artist are very good.
For creative RM it's 40% for home territory and 30% for others. 20% is for RF. You don't have to pay for submitting RF. I was comparing Offset to Getty RM because that is what Shutterstock is trying to say Offset is going up against.Do you have a link to the Getty 40%? Wont the vast majority of people here that don't do many photos of their local area only get 20% from Getty? 20% sure seems like less than 30% to me :)It is not a lower royalty. Getty only pays 20% for Rf, so Offset is already paying significantly more. And 40% was only for RM in your home territory wasn´t it - rest of the world is lower??I wasn't comparing Stocksy to Getty RM I was comparing Offset to both of them. Shutterstock has said that they want to take sales from Getty RM, that's why I'm comparing those two. What SS said (it looks like that part is attributed to a SS spokesman) is that "Offset seeks to upend that entirely, as the first set of high-end images sold royalty-free, online, without an agent." talking about Getty RM. They are offering what they say is more efficient revenue (lower costs for SS) and paying contributors less.
Plus in a brand new and extremly small collection your chances to be seen and your files to be sold are excellent. Much better than drowning in a sea of millions...where wholly owned content and favouredcontributorsprofessionals come up first...
Also, if you want to compare royalties, you need to look at the same license. The RM market is "completly different" as our longtime swedish member keeps pointing out. And he has been doing it since 92! So he knows all about it :)
stocksy pays out 50%, plus 100% of extended licenses, plus shares profits with artists. So even at a lower price point to the customer the results for the artist are very good.
And I've seen numerous posts that most of the money from Getty comes from the main collection and that's almost a closed shop now. So independents have some poor options, like having to pay $50 per image to upload to Getty
They are offering what they say is more efficient revenue (lower costs for SS) and paying contributors less.
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
Wow, I thought it was going to be all national geographic type stuff, not vacation snaps.
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
Wow, I thought it was going to be all national geographic type stuff, not vacation snaps.
I agree but as I see Stocksy is not much better.
[url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url] ([url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url])
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
Wow, I thought it was going to be all national geographic type stuff, not vacation snaps.
I agree but as I see Stocksy is not much better.
[url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url] ([url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url])
Sorry, I disagree.
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
Wow, I thought it was going to be all national geographic type stuff, not vacation snaps.
I agree but as I see Stocksy is not much better.
[url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url] ([url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url])
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
Wow, I thought it was going to be all national geographic type stuff, not vacation snaps.
I agree but as I see Stocksy is not much better.
[url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url] ([url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url])
Sorry, I disagree.
Hey all,
We regularly go in and iterate on the exact edit, but for some perspective -- Offset isn't meant to simply be about standalone, exceptional and perfect "hero" images. What we're looking for in Offset is imagery that resonates with editorial and commercial art directors and sometimes, those are images that look very "real" and work as part of a set or a broader multi-image story.
As one example of an impactful single image:
[url]http://www.offset.com/photos/62666[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/photos/62666[/url])
In general, as criteria, we generally look for exceptional, "authentic" images and / or images with a storytelling quality to them - images that are useful, but those that also work together.
For example, you can easily pull a number of images out of this search that immediately hang together:
India Search ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/India[/url])
For that storytelling quality, you can also see:
Farm to Table ([url]http://www.offset.com/sets/1004473[/url])
The Art of Cooking ([url]http://www.offset.com/sets/819229[/url])
And then, of course, there are exceptional individual artists who through the quality of their art direction, styling, subject and lighting, provide unique work:
[url]http://www.offset.com/artist/Gentl+and+Hyers[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/artist/Gentl+and+Hyers[/url])
Just in response to Sean's comment - it's not all about National Geographic-style images. It's about authenticity, storytelling, art direction and style. It's also about what we know resonates with art directors, ad agencies, and publications based on the conversations we're having every day with them.
Best,
Scott
VP of Content
Funny, on SS authentic images are also known as rejected for LCV. Maybe I would have done better waiting for offset.
That said, there are many fantastic images there. If SS gets Bigstocked I'll definitely be looking for an outlet for better images.
Hello Scott,
When we apply as contributor for OFFSET how long it take to get our application processed?
Cheers
Laurent
hmmmm...
fashion?
[url]http://www.offset.com/photos/64217[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/photos/64217[/url])
Thats storytelling art-directors stuff??
Hi Fritz,
As a practical answer - since you're posting anonymously - did you apply to Offset?
Nice try .
Better luck next time.
PS:
What you offer is exactly what i had enough and what i am fed up about.
Chat, chat , chat and in the end nothing left than kind words and nothing changed.
I dont care about nice words.
I care about professionality, support and reliability.
And thats nothing one can excpect from SS.
And-.... i know a lot of contributors in my country who just gave it up to discuss with SS.
The next one in line is me.
Bye
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
[url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/search/kids[/url])
Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.
and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...
Wow, I thought it was going to be all national geographic type stuff, not vacation snaps.
I agree but as I see Stocksy is not much better.
[url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url] ([url]http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids[/url])
Question regarding this Offset image:
[url]http://www.offset.com/photos/60931[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/photos/60931[/url])
My question to the group and Scott: Are model release forms required for this type of image?
... i know a lot of contributors in my country who just gave it up to discuss with SS.
The next one in line is me.
...The content being gathered for Offset can easily be created by the extraordinary talents available on Shutterstock. I do hope you guys can take a step back, see the bigger picture and reward the people who deserve to be rewarded...
...The content being gathered for Offset can easily be created by the extraordinary talents available on Shutterstock. I do hope you guys can take a step back, see the bigger picture and reward the people who deserve to be rewarded...
I have to disagree. It wouldn't make sense to come up with this new collection and bill it as something different than Shutterstock and then populate the collection with content from some of the same people who supply content to Shutterstock. Previous history with Shutterstock should have no bearing on whether someone is selected to work with Offset, regardless of whether or not they have the capability to create the kind of work required by Offset.
Absolutely! We all know that dark shadows, cut-off/cropped heads/feet, over/under-exposure, lensflares and partial out-of-focus areas will give an image a "realistic" feel. But we have al learned to avoid it, because these images would be rejected in 99% of the cases. Now suddenly these "effects" seem to be worth more ... Problem is that if we would start shooting like this, SS would STILL reject them.
The approvals and rejections of microstock shaped the look and feel of the content created. Macro will do the same.
And if I understand Offset correctly, if you have a portfolio of work that you think shows the kind of stuff they might want, nothing is stopping you from trying to get it seen and considered. Scott please correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems like there is nothing that says that a current Shutterstock contributor is disqualified from Offset. I would suspect that anyone who supplies content to both Shutterstock and Offset will likely have very different looking portfolios at each site, as each site seems inclines to want somewhat different types and styles of images.
If you've got the work, show it. Maybe they'll take you.
^^^^That's the point.
What do you mean with your links?
That OFFSET show 20 times the (almost) same photo, and Shutterstock not?
First I want to thank Scott and Shutterstock for coming into these forums! Keep in mind they don't have to! I think it very wise that they try and communicate with us here. I love the pizza images and find that very useful in explaining the difference between SS main and OFFSET, Than-you for that.Agree. However, I do want to point out that some of the photographers, Amos Nachoum and Brandon Cole, are the world's best underwater photographers. The only reason David Doubilet probably isn't in the collection is his contract with National Geographic. So from a "what level of photographer do you need to be" perspective, these examples to me say VERY HIGH END, in most cases anyway. Maybe I can get in with my walking octopus or my barracuda shot!! ;)
I find it amusing ahnd ironic to find that my local natural light, which was an automatic rejection on iStock in the old days, is now applauded by the very same people who used to tell me how evil it was, over on Stocksy.
At the beginning (back in early 2007) I put them on the critique forum, and was always told the lighting was 'too flat'.I find it amusing ahnd ironic to find that my local natural light, which was an automatic rejection on iStock in the old days, is now applauded by the very same people who used to tell me how evil it was, over on Stocksy.
Can we please see an example of the sort of rejected picture which you are talking about here ?
I have never heard of iStock ever rejecting a picture because it was naturally lit.
Ah ok. So it was the processing which was rejected.
I have not seen any work on Stocksy which has out of context flat lighting. Have you ?
I have seen plenty of photos there with identical lighting to that which I and many others had rejected from iStock in the past. I have indicated them in previous posts.
OFFSET is not exclusive.Can you submit the same images on Offset to Shutterstock?
If they were already on Offset could one contribute those same files to Shutterstock?
Kind of (he didn't actually say what you are saying he did), just wondering if there was a policy in force to stop people from contributing images that were already on Offset from being licensed on Shutterstock. He said they wouldn't accept images that were already on Shutterstock, not the other way around. What if the file had sold on Shutterstock previously is it ok if it's taken down first? I'm more interested in if you can have files on other microstock sites and Offset, that would seem to create confusion about the collections too wouldn't it? Especially with all nonexclusive content at iStock being priced at a max of $10 or at Canstock for even less.
That $365 on alamy could be heavily discounted. I regularly sell for less than $50 now and their RF licence is more like an EL on the microstock sites. So there isn't as big a difference in price as it appears. They also go out of their way to inform their contributors that they don't mind what other sites we sell our images on, as long as we don't mix RF and RM. I was against selling my microstock images there at first but any non-exclusive that doesn't use them is losing out. Some buyers have no problem paying large fees for an image and they don't bother looking for cheaper prices.People do it on Alamy already. I just found one image from an active member on this forum offered on iStock for about $7.50 and the exact same image on Alamy offered for $365.Kind of (he didn't actually say what you are saying he did), just wondering if there was a policy in force to stop people from contributing images that were already on Offset from being licensed on Shutterstock. He said they wouldn't accept images that were already on Shutterstock, not the other way around. What if the file had sold on Shutterstock previously is it ok if it's taken down first? I'm more interested in if you can have files on other microstock sites and Offset, that would seem to create confusion about the collections too wouldn't it? Especially with all nonexclusive content at iStock being priced at a max of $10 or at Canstock for even less.
I highly doubt anyone would want to put their stuff on Shutterstock or any other microstock site after it is on Offset selling for far more.
In the rare event that this does happen, I'm sure Scott and team will be working to prevent this kind of overlap. Whether it's policy or not, I'm not sure. But it's also a sort of self-policing thing, where it really seems unlikely that most folks would want that kind of overlap between microstock and Offset.
One would think that people wouldn't submit to sites that are so much lower in price but I'm sure I could find thousands of examples of this happening already. If Offset is going to be nonexclusive I would expect contributors to submit their work elsewhere.
People do it on Alamy already...
I believe it’s simple. If your images are accepted by Offset you cannot sell same(and similar) images on microstock sites.
Offset offer non-exclusive RF contract, so you can sell same RF images for example at Alamy, AGEfotostock, Zoonar, Inmagine etc. (because these sites have similar RF pricing and offer non-exclusive RF contracts).
Or you can become contributor of one of these agencies(but they require image exclusivity) listed as suppliers of Offset and if you are lucky sooner or later your images will appear at Offset under the agency collection.
[url]http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies[/url])
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong ::)
I believe it’s simple. If your images are accepted by Offset you cannot sell same(and similar) images on microstock sites.
Offset offer non-exclusive RF contract, so you can sell same RF images for example at Alamy, AGEfotostock, Zoonar, Inmagine etc. (because these sites have similar RF pricing and offer non-exclusive RF contracts).
Or you can become contributor of one of these agencies(but they require image exclusivity) listed as suppliers of Offset and if you are lucky sooner or later your images will appear at Offset under the agency collection.
[url]http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies[/url])
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong ::)
The link you gave shows only a list of artists and agencies whose work is represented by Offset.
Maybe the rules you're quoting are only visible once you're 'in' (?)
Thats the same policy as Panther Media where you can choose a higher price point for images only sold for higher prices elsewhere. Basically you can put them up on Alamy as RF and on your Symbiostock site priced similar. Thats cool.
Scott,Were you already planning on dropping exclusivity? Why not contribute to Getty RM or Alamy RM for that type of work?
Thank you much for communicating with us here. Now that you've given us a better understanding of what Offset is looking for is it possible to withdraw an application (and apply with a better-suited portfolio at a later time)?
Best,
nicole
Scott,
Thank you much for communicating with us here. Now that you've given us a better understanding of what Offset is looking for is it possible to withdraw an application (and apply with a better-suited portfolio at a later time)?
Best,
nicole
Scott,
Thank you much for communicating with us here. Now that you've given us a better understanding of what Offset is looking for is it possible to withdraw an application (and apply with a better-suited portfolio at a later time)?
Best,
nicole
Hi Nicole,
Absolutely and thank you for your interest. I'll inform the team.
Best,
Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
Why are we talking RM when Offset is RF?Offset prices are set prices (unless there are bulk deals?).What is the average sale price of an RM image?
Alamy prices are often heavily discounted and sometimes not much higher than higher values at iS.
Is that what you always get? I've read people say that Alamy RF earns more than RM in general, but Ive read of big discounts there for RF there too.Why are we talking RM when Offset is RF?Offset prices are set prices (unless there are bulk deals?).What is the average sale price of an RM image?
Alamy prices are often heavily discounted and sometimes not much higher than higher values at iS.
A full size RF image on Alamy costs around 365 dollar, thats in the Offset price range. I dont thihan Rnk there is anything else to it.
People do it on Alamy already. I just found one image from an active member on this forum offered on iStock for about $7.50 and the exact same image on Alamy offered for $365.Kind of (he didn't actually say what you are saying he did), just wondering if there was a policy in force to stop people from contributing images that were already on Offset from being licensed on Shutterstock. He said they wouldn't accept images that were already on Shutterstock, not the other way around. What if the file had sold on Shutterstock previously is it ok if it's taken down first? I'm more interested in if you can have files on other microstock sites and Offset, that would seem to create confusion about the collections too wouldn't it? Especially with all nonexclusive content at iStock being priced at a max of $10 or at Canstock for even less.
I highly doubt anyone would want to put their stuff on Shutterstock or any other microstock site after it is on Offset selling for far more.
In the rare event that this does happen, I'm sure Scott and team will be working to prevent this kind of overlap. Whether it's policy or not, I'm not sure. But it's also a sort of self-policing thing, where it really seems unlikely that most folks would want that kind of overlap between microstock and Offset.
One would think that people wouldn't submit to sites that are so much lower in price but I'm sure I could find thousands of examples of this happening already. If Offset is going to be nonexclusive I would expect contributors to submit their work elsewhere.
I applied and never heard back, same as with Stocksy. I will take the silent hint. LOL
I have seen brilliant work on OFFset, but I have also seen work that is quite poor, and my images are certainly not worse, so there is a place for everyone me thinks. I will chase them and see why there was no answer. They did say it could take weeks for them to get back.I applied and never heard back, same as with Stocksy. I will take the silent hint. LOL
I got rejected by Stocksy and plan to reapply with proper curated portfolio matching their stlye. I'm still hopeful for Stocksy though but Offset seems far above my reach. I love creating images and hate marketing to core especially in social network. So I don't see any way my works will be noticed, popular and cool enough to be accepted by Offset. :P
“There are a couple key phrases we’re using to describe the work on Offset,” says Scott Braut, the Vice President of Content for Shutterstock. “We have authentic imagery, images that were shot in natural light of real looking people. We have images that reflect a contemporary art direction and style, images that resonate with high-end brands. And we have storytelling images. Images that tell a story by themselves of work with other images to tell a story.” ..... Braut says the Offset team wants to be discerning about choosing the right photographers whose work meets the bar and fits the established aesthetic.
I have seen brilliant work on OFFset, but I have also seen work that is quite poor, and my images are certainly not worse, so there is a place for everyone me thinks. I will chase them and see why there was no answer. They did say it could take weeks for them to get back.I applied and never heard back, same as with Stocksy. I will take the silent hint. LOL
I got rejected by Stocksy and plan to reapply with proper curated portfolio matching their stlye. I'm still hopeful for Stocksy though but Offset seems far above my reach. I love creating images and hate marketing to core especially in social network. So I don't see any way my works will be noticed, popular and cool enough to be accepted by Offset. :P
Unused Images Are Fodder for New High-End Stock Photo Agency ([url]http://www.wired.com/rawfile/2013/11/offset/[/url])Quote“There are a couple key phrases we’re using to describe the work on Offset,” says Scott Braut, the Vice President of Content for Shutterstock. “We have authentic imagery, images that were shot in natural light of real looking people. We have images that reflect a contemporary art direction and style, images that resonate with high-end brands. And we have storytelling images. Images that tell a story by themselves of work with other images to tell a story.” ..... Braut says the Offset team wants to be discerning about choosing the right photographers whose work meets the bar and fits the established aesthetic.
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Unused Images Are Fodder for New High-End Stock Photo Agency ([url]http://www.wired.com/rawfile/2013/11/offset/[/url])Quote“There are a couple key phrases we’re using to describe the work on Offset,” says Scott Braut, the Vice President of Content for Shutterstock. “We have authentic imagery, images that were shot in natural light of real looking people. We have images that reflect a contemporary art direction and style, images that resonate with high-end brands. And we have storytelling images. Images that tell a story by themselves of work with other images to tell a story.” ..... Braut says the Offset team wants to be discerning about choosing the right photographers whose work meets the bar and fits the established aesthetic.
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Hi all,Never, but I dont have any hopes anyways. LOL
Anybody got any reply yet on their Offset application as contributor?
Cheers
Hi all,
Anybody got any reply yet on their Offset application as contributor?
Cheers
I believe it’s simple. If your images are accepted by Offset you cannot sell same(and similar) images on microstock sites.
Offset offer non-exclusive RF contract, so you can sell same RF images for example at Alamy, AGEfotostock, Zoonar, Inmagine etc. (because these sites have similar RF pricing and offer non-exclusive RF contracts).
Or you can become contributor of one of these agencies(but they require image exclusivity) listed as suppliers of Offset and if you are lucky sooner or later your images will appear at Offset under the agency collection.
[url]http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies[/url] ([url]http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies[/url])
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong ::)
The link you gave shows only a list of artists and agencies whose work is represented by Offset.
Maybe the rules you're quoting are only visible once you're 'in' (?)
I am not quoting any rules. I am just saying what is my own understanding of Offset’s non-exclusivity.
Arkadia, will you write about it in every topic on this forum? Why spamming?