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« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2014, 21:44 »
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To my shock when searching the SS library for a similar image to the one I was about to submit the return was 0

And this is a shocking result as it is a very normal subject. I looked in Shutterbuzz if there was a restriction but there was nothing about it.

It might get rejected for reasons I dont know yet, but surely it will be the only image in the library of that subject if it gets accepted.

Weird.

When I got Bell's Palsy last summer I searched SS to see if there were any images of it and there weren't. Not only is the market (small, I grant you) all mine, but you can't copy it without having it (or some injection of a paralyzing drug). And yes, they do sell :)

There are niche subjects out there if you're not trying to be Yuri or the like


Ron

« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2014, 06:27 »
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To my shock when searching the SS library for a similar image to the one I was about to submit the return was 0

And this is a shocking result as it is a very normal subject. I looked in Shutterbuzz if there was a restriction but there was nothing about it.

It might get rejected for reasons I dont know yet, but surely it will be the only image in the library of that subject if it gets accepted.

Weird.

When I got Bell's Palsy last summer I searched SS to see if there were any images of it and there weren't. Not only is the market (small, I grant you) all mine, but you can't copy it without having it (or some injection of a paralyzing drug). And yes, they do sell :)

There are niche subjects out there if you're not trying to be Yuri or the like

My comment you quoted was voted down by someone, as if I am lying making stuff up or something (Not meaning you :) ). I will PM you the image as it has been approved.

I checked other libraries, no one has an image like mine, and I am flabbergasted. I did find it on Alamy.  Its a very normal, obvious image, I would expect to see more often.

« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2014, 22:51 »
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To my shock when searching the SS library for a similar image to the one I was about to submit the return was 0

And this is a shocking result as it is a very normal subject. I looked in Shutterbuzz if there was a restriction but there was nothing about it.

It might get rejected for reasons I dont know yet, but surely it will be the only image in the library of that subject if it gets accepted.

Weird.

When I got Bell's Palsy last summer I searched SS to see if there were any images of it and there weren't. Not only is the market (small, I grant you) all mine, but you can't copy it without having it (or some injection of a paralyzing drug). And yes, they do sell :)

There are niche subjects out there if you're not trying to be Yuri or the like

My comment you quoted was voted down by someone, as if I am lying making stuff up or something (Not meaning you :) ). I will PM you the image as it has been approved.

I checked other libraries, no one has an image like mine, and I am flabbergasted. I did find it on Alamy.  Its a very normal, obvious image, I would expect to see more often.

Ron where do you find time to take any photos?

« Reply #78 on: March 24, 2014, 11:45 »
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How do they drive prices through the floor when they pay out more than anyone else does? If I make more at the end of the day, I don't care what the per license price is. It's not even important. What matters is the total income. Again, it's about the bigger picture. Who else is going to pay me $1,000+ for a couple of snapshots of my kid in superhero costume? Not some fancy ad agency, that's for sure. Shutterstock has. I spent maybe five bucks making that photo!

And let's not overlook the fact that subscriptions are only part of the picture at Shutterstock. Half of my income comes from On Demands, ELs and SODs.

The fact is, microstock photographers need to manage their costs and do things on the cheap. If you're spending hundreds of dollars paying models and buying props, you only have yourself to blame if you turn around and sell your images via Microstock. I use volunteer models. I buy my props at Wal-Mart, Party City or Michaels, and then I return them for a refund when I'm done with them.


I guess the big picture never worked that well for me. It's nice if it does, but if it doesn't it still has an impact on what happens everywhere else. For example, Thinkstock exist because of Shutterstock, so do many other models that haven't necessarily been a good thing for us that do better at selling at higher RPDs.

I don't agree, I think you hit the nail on the head in regard to the big picture and I agree with your key point.

SS has stated that they will not be raising prices and they have stated that they are doing this to capture market share.  Every year our expenses go up and every year as SS grows; their growth strategy exerts yet more pressure on other stock agencies to also under cut competitors when pricing their buyer packages.

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Duck Swartz

So whats changed in the marketplace thats giving you the opportunity to locate in the enterprise in a more, in a more robust way?
Timothy E. Bixby - CFO

The quality of the images has increased pretty dramatically over the past 10 years and as that now work keeps moving back and forth. The contributors 40,000 of them all over the world are constantly competing with each other.

So in the past five years the contents gone up to a level where the biggest publishers in the world mediated either starting to notice that is price, these images are not only price well, but they are also similar to some images that they have paid thousands of dollars for and also had to be on the phone for an hour negotiating the license for that image.

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Duck Swartz

Talking about your present strategy longer term?

Timothy E. Bixby - CFO

We think we can raise the prices over the long term but were primary in the growth mode right now and we would like to continue to cover as much of the world as possible and take as much as growth in the business that we can before we play with the pricing level. We havent raised prices in many years and then been a great strategy so far to grow.

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Jonathan Oringer - Founder, CEO & Chairman of the Board

It still multiples. So it's order of magnitude whether it's if you look at us compared to other stock marketplaces like an iStock or others, it's two or three or four times more expensive to not use Shutterstock. If you look at the higher end sort of more traditional marketed might be 6 or 8 or 10 times more expensive.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1841072-shutterstocks-management-presents-at-the-goldman-sachs-us-emerging-smid-cap-growth-conference-transcript?page=2&p=qanda&l=last

 

Ron

« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2014, 13:18 »
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I getting quote fatigue.

« Reply #80 on: March 24, 2014, 13:19 »
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I getting quote fatigue.
I see grammar fatigue setting in too.

Ron

« Reply #81 on: March 24, 2014, 13:22 »
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I getting quote fatigue.
I see grammar fatigue setting in too.

Probeer zelfs eens een woordje over de grens voor dat je iemand gaat af lopen zeiken over z'n tweede taal. lol

Goofy

« Reply #82 on: March 24, 2014, 13:24 »
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I getting quote fatigue.

Time to take some pictures lol!  ;D



Ron

« Reply #83 on: March 24, 2014, 13:28 »
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I getting quote fatigue.

Time to take some pictures lol!  ;D
I am taking more pictures then ever, I am submitting more then before, I am getting out more then before. My new hobby hiking goes hand in hand with photography. And I see plenty of action on new files on Shutterstock. I have no complaints other then quote fatigue.

« Reply #84 on: March 24, 2014, 18:24 »
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What's the current weekly upload rate to Shutterstock now?  Is it still 200,000?  And is anyone seeing dilution of earnings?

farbled

« Reply #85 on: March 24, 2014, 18:38 »
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What's the current weekly upload rate to Shutterstock now?  Is it still 200,000?  And is anyone seeing dilution of earnings?

Not sure what the rate is but no, sales are actually up for me.

fritz

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« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2014, 19:27 »
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273,681 new stock images added this week but I see no dilution of earnings! Maybe because I spend more time producing than non productive reading.

EmberMike

« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2014, 20:06 »
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273,681 new stock images added this week but I see no dilution of earnings! Maybe because I spend more time producing than non productive reading.

Probably 260,000 of them are crap images. Sorry, I know that's mean, but honestly probably true. Despite ramping up their intake week after week, year after year, SS still has pretty low standards. At least with vectors, I can't really speak to photos with any authority. There are so many junk vectors added every day. For whatever reason they still seem to be playing this numbers game as if customers care whether a company has 30 million images, 50 million, 100 million, whatever. Do they care? I have a hard time believing they do.   

I have no personal problem with how many images they ingest every week because I know 95% of them are junk. From a concerned citizen standpoint, though, I really wonder if all of these images do make it harder for buyers to find what they really want.

« Reply #88 on: March 25, 2014, 04:00 »
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My earnings are up as well. Nevertheless I'm still concerned about the number of images approved every week for the very reason EmberMike said that these tons of lower standard images/vectors may make it harder for buyers to find the good ones.

« Reply #89 on: March 25, 2014, 06:50 »
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I think SS has really good algorithms to help sort what customers like from what they are not interested in. My portfolio is still tiny with only 500 photos and 700 videos, but I am getting downloads every day - if I upload continuously. If I stop uploading regularly, my portfolio drops fast.

I also could imagine many buyers scan the regular uploads for new images in their fields, i.e. a designer for food magazines scanning the new uploads daily and they download quickly if they see something interesting.

The other question is: how many new images are being uploaded in your specific niche? I have some areas where I rarely see new content, while objects on white get thousands of new files a day.

So if you are specialised in something than you might only be competing with 30 new files a month.

« Reply #90 on: March 25, 2014, 07:56 »
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I think SS has really good algorithms to help sort what customers like from what they are not interested in. My portfolio is still tiny with only 500 photos and 700 videos, but I am getting downloads every day - if I upload continuously. If I stop uploading regularly, my portfolio drops fast.

I also could imagine many buyers scan the regular uploads for new images in their fields, i.e. a designer for food magazines scanning the new uploads daily and they download quickly if they see something interesting.

The other question is: how many new images are being uploaded in your specific niche? I have some areas where I rarely see new content, while objects on white get thousands of new files a day.

So if you are specialised in something than you might only be competing with 30 new files a month.
Weren't you arguing in the other threads that specialized niche subjects are best at the macros and cannot do well on sub sites?

"SS - subs agency...generic content for the mass market...very little macro content and sorting by popular downloads will give you...high volume files...the most generic content available because it was chosen by thousands of customers."

"So if you are tired of shooting generic content and want to produce more high value stuff, then just go and submit to the macros and stocksy."

"Do you really believe opting content that is not specifically created for the subs market will be a successful move?"

"All the independent artists and also all the regular Getty house artists make distinctions between content for high volume subs sites, and specialised content for midstock, macro or simply for higher prices. There is a reason we make that distinction."

"The indie artists have always known that if they supply SS or any other agency that has subscriptions, they have to produce content for high volume sales. "

« Reply #91 on: March 25, 2014, 08:08 »
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tickstock, dont you believe that people can produce niche subjects at different quality levels??

I can.

A simple niche can be normal generic stock done locally in your area. There will simply be a lot less other photographers competing with you.

There are many other options, but why should I explain them to you? Do your own research and make your own experiences what sells best between high volume, low volume, files that people pay 500 dollars for and files that can gain a good audience worldwide with low prices. Also the differences between what sells best at RM or RF.

But if you prefer to send everything without distinction to just one site, that is fine with me. You are the one determining how to make the most money from your images.



« Reply #92 on: March 25, 2014, 08:11 »
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tickstock, dont you believe that people can produce niche subjects at different quality levels??

I can.

A simple niche can be normal generic stock done locally in your area. There will simply be a lot less other photographers competing with you.

There are many other options, but why should I explain them to you? Do your own research and make your own experiences what sells best between high volume, low volume, files that people pay 500 dollars for and files that can gain a good audience worldwide with low prices. Also the differences between what sells best at RM or RF.

But if you prefer to send everything without distinction to just one site, that is fine with me. You are the one determining how to make the most money from your images.
You really do consistently put words in people's mouth that make them sound bad (I saw you do that over and over in the other thread with gbalex, I've seen you do it to bunhill and you've done it to me many times, it's obnoxious and intellectually lazy), I never ever said I prefer to send everything to one site.  I do believe that different content has different value.  My question was about what you said.  In one thread you seem to be saying niche work is for the macros and generic work for the sub sites while in this thread you're saying put your niche work on a subs site, that's my confusion.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2014, 08:16 by tickstock »

« Reply #93 on: March 25, 2014, 08:17 »
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It all depends on the quality of the file.

I think everyone understand that if you want to offer files for 500 dollars you need to think of what the customer will need and be ready to pay for.

Is that really so confusing?

If you just walk around your town taking snapshots, they will probably not even be accepted at the macros. If you invest in good quality production with models,stylists etc...it will be different.

I think I also made a point of explaining that the macros reject a lot and that you cannot just"put your files there". That working with macros is a different experience to working with micros.

I am sure if you look at my posts again, you will find the passage.

« Reply #94 on: March 25, 2014, 08:23 »
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I am sure if you look at my posts again, you will find the passage.
I found a lot of contradictory passages, that's why I brought this up.

« Reply #95 on: March 25, 2014, 08:27 »
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Well, then I hope what I was trying to say is more clear now?

« Reply #96 on: March 25, 2014, 09:29 »
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On quality, when I look at the new work in the "people" category, the standard is still very high, exceptional in many cases....but we've seen almost all of it before and will again.

And as I've opined previously, without the ability to drill down into it for real data, the 200,000 is a meaningless number. It might as well be 2,000,000

« Reply #97 on: March 25, 2014, 10:20 »
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Probably 260,000 of them are crap images. Sorry, I know that's mean, but honestly probably true. Despite ramping up their intake week after week, year after year, SS still has pretty low standards. At least with vectors, I can't really speak to photos with any authority. There are so many junk vectors added every day. For whatever reason they still seem to be playing this numbers game as if customers care whether a company has 30 million images, 50 million, 100 million, whatever. Do they care? I have a hard time believing they do.   

I have no personal problem with how many images they ingest every week because I know 95% of them are junk. From a concerned citizen standpoint, though, I really wonder if all of these images do make it harder for buyers to find what they really want.

To be honest, the people at the bottom worry me a lot more than the people at the top. There are a lot more of them, and they don't have the same expectations as the higher level contributors.

EmberMike

« Reply #98 on: March 25, 2014, 12:11 »
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To be honest, the people at the bottom worry me a lot more than the people at the top. There are a lot more of them, and they don't have the same expectations as the higher level contributors.

I worry about some of them. For sure there are super talented people trying stock for the first time and they have the greatest chance to disrupt the market for full-timers. I've seen some new portfolios with 100 or fewer images that scare the heck out of me. :)

But I feel like a lot of the junk is from people who have been around a while. Too many people uploading 50 variations of the same junk image with the same weak artwork they originally made years ago. Unfortunately that stuff seems like a big part of that huge pile of stuff SS takes in every week.



« Reply #99 on: March 25, 2014, 12:53 »
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To be honest, the people at the bottom worry me a lot more than the people at the top. There are a lot more of them, and they don't have the same expectations as the higher level contributors.

I worry about some of them. For sure there are super talented people trying stock for the first time and they have the greatest chance to disrupt the market for full-timers. I've seen some new portfolios with 100 or fewer images that scare the heck out of me. :)

But I feel like a lot of the junk is from people who have been around a while. Too many people uploading 50 variations of the same junk image with the same weak artwork they originally made years ago. Unfortunately that stuff seems like a big part of that huge pile of stuff SS takes in every week.

I guess I meant it as... At what point do they go full crowdsource if they keep adding more and more? We've all seen what other crowdsourced sites look like for artists, and the thought of that potentially happening to the micros scares me.


 

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