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« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2013, 18:34 »
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this change is very prejudicial for me, my most popular file that was very stable between the 10th and 15th result during almost 2 years jumped to 400th, then 900th, 1400th, 2400th and NOW at 2700th

Scott said here that they are fixing it and I am happy about that but I have some questions that I would to make and would love to understand once for all

- Popular are the files that have the most downloads?
- Relevant is a mix between new uploads and files with some downloads?
I think popular is also mixed with views and how fast it first sells after coming online

that would suit a lot better the Relevant IMO, so what does that mean? a file well ranked having a drop its because of less views? its very weird after such a long time up and well, will see how things go in the next days...


« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2013, 18:51 »
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Attempting to put it back on topic...

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Hello Everyone,

Thanks for your detailed feedback...it has been very helpful.

We've been looking into this and we found an issue that started a few days ago with a normal refresh of our search records. The effect of the issue is that some older popular images are ranking higher than they should be. This was an issue with the normal refresh and not a change made to our search algorithms. The team has already identified and implemented a solution. Only a portion of the collection was affected and you should see the impact of the solution as early as today, though it may take a few days for everything to be 100% back to normal.

Thanks again for your help and patience as we resolve this.

So looks like they're admitting a problem.

CD123

« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2013, 19:17 »
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Pleaded guilty has charged of having a glitch, fixed it, requested a bit of patience for a bit to normalize and there we all go again.  ;)

Thread should be all but finished now (unless it does not come right) and rants should probably go to the rant area.  :P

« Reply #78 on: January 16, 2013, 02:03 »
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Things are already looking LOTS! better. Old files mixed with newish have sold like crazy overnight. Looking at it this morning I couldnt believe the positive differance. :)

anybody else noticing.

« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2013, 02:52 »
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Hello Everyone,

Thanks for your detailed feedback...it has been very helpful.

We've been looking into this and we found an issue that started a few days ago with a normal refresh of our search records. The effect of the issue is that some older popular images are ranking higher than they should be. This was an issue with the normal refresh and not a change made to our search algorithms. The team has already identified and implemented a solution.  Only a portion of the collection was affected and you should see the impact of the solution as early as today, though it may take a few days for everything to be 100% back to normal.

Thanks again for your help and patience as we resolve this.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP Content
Shutterstock

I had an EL on Sunday and an EL on Tuesday, both on old images. Any chance of breaking it again?  :)
« Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 03:02 by Microstock Posts »

Microbius

« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2013, 04:19 »
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Hello Everyone,

Thanks for your detailed feedback...it has been very helpful.

We've been looking into this and we found an issue that started a few days ago with a normal refresh of our search records. The effect of the issue is that some older popular images are ranking higher than they should be. This was an issue with the normal refresh and not a change made to our search algorithms. The team has already identified and implemented a solution.  Only a portion of the collection was affected and you should see the impact of the solution as early as today, though it may take a few days for everything to be 100% back to normal.

Thanks again for your help and patience as we resolve this.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP Content
Shutterstock

Thanks for stopping by and listening. Maybe as VP of content you could stop by this thread too, to make a general comment on your policy for accepting work incorporating other people's photos without their permission?
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/how-is-it-possible/
Is it allowed on SS now or what?

« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2013, 05:16 »
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this change is very prejudicial for me, my most popular file that was very stable between the 10th and 15th result during almost 2 years jumped to 400th, then 900th, 1400th, 2400th and NOW at 2700th

Scott said here that they are fixing it and I am happy about that but I have some questions that I would to make and would love to understand once for all

- Popular are the files that have the most downloads?
- Relevant is a mix between new uploads and files with some downloads?
I think popular is also mixed with views and how fast it first sells after coming online

Seems right - if one looks at one's own port, the popular takes sales, time online into account for sure.  It must also take something else, most likely views (even though not displayed I'd bet they are recorded) as this is the only way to account for massive popularity difference on files with the same sales submitted around the same time.  I don't think relevant works that well because of keyword spamming - results certainly seem less relevant than what the popular search produces. 

RacePhoto

« Reply #82 on: January 16, 2013, 15:28 »
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Things are already looking LOTS! better. Old files mixed with newish have sold like crazy overnight. Looking at it this morning I couldnt believe the positive differance. :)

anybody else noticing.

Yes, first back to back, zero download days since about 2010. I noticed.

But if it will stop the constant static, crying and complaining about the search engine being broken, I'm all for it!

May I quote from the SS forums, 2011?

"The reason that newer results may not be selling as quickly now is that, as we have explained in our prior posts in this thread, the Most Popular alg now considers a variety of factors beyond just the ratio of total downloads vs total time-available for that image. These new factors we are considering are all image or keyword level factors, and have nothing to do with submitter level data."


« Reply #83 on: January 16, 2013, 15:49 »
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Things are already looking LOTS! better. Old files mixed with newish have sold like crazy overnight. Looking at it this morning I couldnt believe the positive differance. :)

anybody else noticing.

Yes, first back to back, zero download days since about 2010. I noticed.

But if it will stop the constant static, crying and complaining about the search engine being broken, I'm all for it!

May I quote from the SS forums, 2011?

"The reason that newer results may not be selling as quickly now is that, as we have explained in our prior posts in this thread, the Most Popular alg now considers a variety of factors beyond just the ratio of total downloads vs total time-available for that image. These new factors we are considering are all image or keyword level factors, and have nothing to do with submitter level data."


Hi!  I dont get it?  you mean first day since 2010 with zip dls? in that case I put it down to just bad luck, a one off.

Anyways if we dont scream and complain we would probably give the wrong message, that everything is great, even when it isnt.

best.

RacePhoto

« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2013, 15:59 »
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Best back at you.

No the first Back to Back days with zero downloads.

Doesn't worry me, CrapStock eventually sells somewhere.

See, instead of having duplicates and similar images, when I do a shoot, I upload ONE and only the best single shot. I may have one subject that has a couple of similar groupings, like one of something three and five, but I don't set up a shot and submit 48 "girl in blue skirt on a vintage bike on the side of a hill" shots.

Thus instead of 1200 of the same shot, I have 300 individual and unique images. (not quite true for the illustration experiment)

Bottom line, no one needed what I have and the next day they did. It's January. I'm not going to panic. And BTW I already had an EL this month, so losing some 33c downloads is covered.  ;)

So they changed the search, again, and again and again, and they will change it next time someone gets an idea for a better buyer experience. That's why SS is on top of the list on the right.


Things are already looking LOTS! better. Old files mixed with newish have sold like crazy overnight. Looking at it this morning I couldnt believe the positive differance. :)

anybody else noticing.

Yes, first back to back, zero download days since about 2010. I noticed.

But if it will stop the constant static, crying and complaining about the search engine being broken, I'm all for it!

May I quote from the SS forums, 2011?

"The reason that newer results may not be selling as quickly now is that, as we have explained in our prior posts in this thread, the Most Popular alg now considers a variety of factors beyond just the ratio of total downloads vs total time-available for that image. These new factors we are considering are all image or keyword level factors, and have nothing to do with submitter level data."


Hi!  I dont get it?  you mean first day since 2010 with zip dls? in that case I put it down to just bad luck, a one off.

Anyways if we dont scream and complain we would probably give the wrong message, that everything is great, even when it isnt.

best.

CD123

« Reply #85 on: January 30, 2013, 00:39 »
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Searched for my highest ranking image just to find it gone again. Any one else experiencing same again?  :-\


 

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