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RacePhoto

« Reply #175 on: December 05, 2011, 18:39 »
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First time I saw a Mondrian I said "that's art?" and the lady was very indignant, said he was famous and it was in the balance and colors. That was almost 50 years ago and I'm still seeing just as mystifying images all the time. Hey, nice scam, paint some lines and boxes on a canvas and claim it's some inside art movement piece.


1920  Composition A

For sale at a discount, reproductions $175 marked down from $530. We should be so lucky to become "IN".

My vote for most rediculous rejection anywhere is LCV, like the reviewer is psychic and knows what a buyer might want. We've been through pizza pans which had pathetic coverage, in my case it was John Glen Astronaut on DT. Answer? Too many like this, "these don't sell well" and if you go search you'll see why. There aren't any!  :o FT same thing, a subject that they have NONE of, refused for too many and they don't sell well. LCV in other words.

In the whole world of the Internet, not one person wants to buy an image of John Glen?

IS two from EdStock. SS has one postage stamp, and for some reason, the same image comes up on all of them "Historic Corral at Lonely Dell Ranch"  ???

Sure not a best seller with a blue flame, but, not one on the other top sites?


« Reply #176 on: December 12, 2011, 14:12 »
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I conducted an experiment after reading some negative comments about ShutterStock to see if it was worth my time to contribute: I uploaded 10 images. 4 were rejected for very vague reasons (they claim to make these reasons clear so that newcomers can learn from their mistakes, but no such luck). In addition, they make submitters wait an entire month before they can submit another 10 photos. This makes absolutely no sense and totally justifies all the negative things Ive read about the site. So a month later, I submitted the exact same 10 photos. This time, 5 were rejected and 3 of the accepted ones had been rejected the first time! This proves that they have no set standards and whether you get accepted or not depends entirely on which reviewer you get and his/her mood on that day. This, plus the total arrogance of their sign-up processs (seriously, my credit card number???) and other requirements that NO other sites have (no spaces in file names, what are we, back in the nineties???) make shutterstock the worst stock site on the internet. shutterstock (it doesn't deserve capitalization) is a completely dishonest and arrogant company and doesn't deserve to make one penny from someone else's hard work. They'll certainly never make a penny from any of mine.

« Reply #177 on: December 12, 2011, 16:05 »
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If SS rejects 4 out of the first 10, they don't necessarily look at the others, so perhaps they would be rejected too.

I completely agree that rejection reasons often are not particularly helpful - like "isolation border is too feathered or too sharp" - well, which one?

I would say that reviews are somewhat arbitrary and capricious - AT ALL SITES (at least all that I have submitted to). It does suck if you have to wait to try again, but in the meantime you should learn a bit about what SS likes and doesn't like - at least for the first 10. I sometimes found that what SS accepted IS would reject and vice versa to some extent.

I don't think I ever gave SS my credit card number - that is a new one to me.

« Reply #178 on: December 12, 2011, 16:14 »
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I conducted an experiment after reading some negative comments about ShutterStock to see if it was worth my time to contribute: I uploaded 10 images. 4 were rejected for very vague reasons (they claim to make these reasons clear so that newcomers can learn from their mistakes, but no such luck). In addition, they make submitters wait an entire month before they can submit another 10 photos. This makes absolutely no sense and totally justifies all the negative things Ive read about the site. So a month later, I submitted the exact same 10 photos. This time, 5 were rejected and 3 of the accepted ones had been rejected the first time! This proves that they have no set standards and whether you get accepted or not depends entirely on which reviewer you get and his/her mood on that day. This, plus the total arrogance of their sign-up processs (seriously, my credit card number???) and other requirements that NO other sites have (no spaces in file names, what are we, back in the nineties???) make shutterstock the worst stock site on the internet. shutterstock (it doesn't deserve capitalization) is a completely dishonest and arrogant company and doesn't deserve to make one penny from someone else's hard work. They'll certainly never make a penny from any of mine.

Wow, where to begin?

they make submitters wait an entire month before they can submit another 10 photos. This makes absolutely no sense and totally justifies all the negative things Ive read about the site.

SS gets a lot of new contributors trying to sign up everyday.  Most simply don't have what it takes.  The 30-day period makes sure that rejected contributors can't simply try again every single day.  SS would get nothing done if that happened.  The hope is that the applicants will review their skills, figure out why they got rejected, get educated about what SS really wants, and be very careful about what they submit again.  30 days is appropriate to take all those steps.

So a month later, I submitted the exact same 10 photos. This time, 5 were rejected and 3 of the accepted ones had been rejected the first time! This proves that they have no set standards and whether you get accepted or not depends entirely on which reviewer you get and his/her mood on that day.

News flash?  People are subjective and everyone is different.  What would you have SS do?  Hire robots to review images?  These people aren't grading tests with answers that are right or wrong.  They do their best, and they don't always agree.  Again, what better process would you suggest?



This, plus the total arrogance of their sign-up processs (seriously, my credit card number???) and other requirements that NO other sites have (no spaces in file names, what are we, back in the nineties???) make shutterstock the worst stock site on the internet.

When you're one of the best sites, with tons of customers and contributors, you earn the right to ask for things the way you want them.  Credit card number helps make sure you're a real person, and serious about wanting to be a contributor.  

shutterstock (it doesn't deserve capitalization) is a completely dishonest and arrogant company and doesn't deserve to make one penny from someone else's hard work. They'll certainly never make a penny from any of mine.

I'm glad to help make SHUTTERSTOCK (deserves every cap) a LOT of money.  They treat me very fairly, and the relationship has been very lucrative for both of us.

reckless

« Reply #179 on: December 12, 2011, 16:17 »
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The OP must have Shutterstock confused with some other site. Most of my file names have multiple words with spaces between them. Both the file name and file title.

reckless

« Reply #180 on: December 12, 2011, 16:20 »
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I didn't mean to refer to RacePhoto, my comment was directed towards zrmedia.

« Reply #181 on: December 12, 2011, 16:32 »
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When I joined them in 2005, after the second try, you had to wait 90 days to try again. I have no complaints...I get a payout every month from my meager port.

« Reply #182 on: December 12, 2011, 18:00 »
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My point is, I get a much fairer commission at Alamy and Fotolia (and do great there each month), and their sign-up requirements didn't spit in my face. Therefore, Alamy and Fotolia earned my business. I am currently visiting review sites and informing new artists where the real money is and where the corporate greed and lack of ethics are. I and others remember that we, the artists, control the success or failure of these sites, not the other way around. By informing people, we will see to it that fair and ethical sites succeed and greedy, dishonest sites get edged out. I've steered several people away from SS in favor of the truly profitable sites and they have thanked me and are spreading the word themselves. This will result in more sign-ups at other sites, which in turn will mean more profit for those sites. This will result in better ratings and reviews, resulting in still more sign-ups, which will ultimately snowball. Pond5 has left its stock video market competitors in the dust and the gap is only growing. This is due to positive word of mouth, which in turn is due to fair commissions and an easy, non-nazi sign-up procedure. I and others are the reason for this, because we constantly post on the review sites and report who's screwing us artists over and who isn't. You SS fanboy hoop-jumpers that don't mind making $20 a month for weeks of work can save your keystrokes, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to people that value their time and trouble and remember how much time they spent studying and how much they spent on their gear. I'm talking to people that don't enjoy a constant corporate erection in their anus. The rest of you should just stay bent over and save some wear and tear on your keyboard. That is all.

« Reply #183 on: December 12, 2011, 18:28 »
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I understand that you are bitter about not making the grade for SS, ZR, but it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that "the money" is at Fotolia rather than Shutterstock.

Shutterstock is way ahead of Fotolia in both earnings and in business ethics, whether it is about cutting commissions for suppliers - which Fotolia does repeatedly but SS has never done - or about unreasonable delays running into months in making payments to artists, which Fotolia has routinely done and Shutterstock has never, to my knowledge, done.

wut

« Reply #184 on: December 12, 2011, 18:47 »
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SS isn't perfect. Not even close. But it's the best place we can upload to. And that's all there's to it. We can't realistically expect more in this situation the industry and economy is in, overall the climate is bad. Especially because of sites like IS and FT. FT IMO is worse than IS. Not only they've cut comissions twice, they can't deliver decent earnings for most ppl (according to polls, comments etc). Low volume, mostly subs and really low prices made me stop uploading over there months ago

« Reply #185 on: December 12, 2011, 18:51 »
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I understand that you are bitter about not making the grade for SS, ZR, but it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that "the money" is at Fotolia rather than Shutterstock.

Shutterstock is way ahead of Fotolia in both earnings and in business ethics, whether it is about cutting commissions for suppliers - which Fotolia does repeatedly but SS has never done - or about unreasonable delays running into months in making payments to artists, which Fotolia has routinely done and Shutterstock has never, to my knowledge, done.

This is true and, fundementally, how can you make any kind of earnings comparison between a site where you have a presence and one where you don't?

RacePhoto

« Reply #186 on: December 13, 2011, 05:00 »
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I conducted an experiment after reading some negative comments about ShutterStock to see if it was worth my time to contribute: I uploaded 10 images. 4 were rejected for very vague reasons (they claim to make these reasons clear so that newcomers can learn from their mistakes, but no such luck). In addition, they make submitters wait an entire month before they can submit another 10 photos. This makes absolutely no sense and totally justifies all the negative things Ive read about the site. So a month later, I submitted the exact same 10 photos. This time, 5 were rejected and 3 of the accepted ones had been rejected the first time! This proves that they have no set standards and whether you get accepted or not depends entirely on which reviewer you get and his/her mood on that day. This, plus the total arrogance of their sign-up processs (seriously, my credit card number???) and other requirements that NO other sites have (no spaces in file names, what are we, back in the nineties???) make shutterstock the worst stock site on the internet. shutterstock (it doesn't deserve capitalization) is a completely dishonest and arrogant company and doesn't deserve to make one penny from someone else's hard work. They'll certainly never make a penny from any of mine.

Did you ever get accepted?

« Reply #187 on: December 13, 2011, 06:04 »
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It is easy to get accepted at SS. Put ten good images in. If you put in average to poor images you will probably get rejected. The average images may get accepted or rejected depending on the images. Alamy is much easier with acceptance and inspection standards. Yeah they pay more per image but you sell much less. Why would you think people here are making $20 per month at SS? Credit card? ID? - They are careful, would you rather have the IS frauds? OK ZRmedia what gives you the right to bag out SS you have not even got ten images that can pass initial inspection (subsequent inspection is harder)?

Phadrea

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« Reply #188 on: December 14, 2011, 13:58 »
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Just sent my 10 submissions in and I will await the rejection.

Phadrea

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« Reply #189 on: December 14, 2011, 17:17 »
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Oh, no...hang on. I have got in. Excellent :-) At last.

« Reply #190 on: December 14, 2011, 17:23 »
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Oh, no...hang on. I have got in. Excellent :-) At last.

congrats - I hope it proves as worthwhile for you as it did to me.

Phadrea

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« Reply #191 on: December 14, 2011, 17:26 »
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All 9 images bar one were accepted. That's a good result.

Now then, I have just applied for dropping my exclusivity with istock. The images I have just had passed with SS, how do I stop them becoming live on the site before exclusivity expires ?


« Reply #192 on: December 14, 2011, 18:37 »
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On your account page there are buttons to opt in or out of various types of selling - guess you can just opt out of everything until you're ready (never tried this myself so no promises).  Need to be quick as you probably have sales already  ;)

RacePhoto

« Reply #193 on: December 15, 2011, 01:33 »
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All 9 images bar one were accepted. That's a good result.

Now then, I have just applied for dropping my exclusivity with istock. The images I have just had passed with SS, how do I stop them becoming live on the site before exclusivity expires ?


Actually here's the complete answer, on SS:  http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/control-your-portfolio-opt-in-or-opt-out

Dont let a soon-to-expire exclusivity agreement with another stock image agency hold you back from uploading images or footage clips to Shutterstock. Shutterstocks Opt Out feature lets you upload your images or footage clips whenever its most convenient for you, and still respect your exclusivity obligations to other agencies. Put your exclusive images or footage clips on hold until your exclusivity contract runs out, at which point youre free to distribute your content on Shutterstock without missing a day of sales.

Even if you are under an exclusive contract, we invite you to create a contributor account with Shutterstock. Once youve created an account and youve been accepted as a contributor, opting out of Shutterstock sales is as simple as clicking a button. Heres how to do it:


SS started this with the obvious knowledge that people needed a way to control accepted images until they were clear of some other exclusive site. Nice move.

http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/control-your-portfolio-opt-in-or-opt-out

Phadrea

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« Reply #194 on: December 15, 2011, 02:31 »
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That's great. Thanks for the tip off :-) I like the way you can upload more than one image at a time with easy key wording. Much quicker and less painful than IS. Now for some serious uploading. Not sure which is my home page though as it doesn't show all my accepted images. I need a landing home page where I can see everything.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2011, 04:40 by Herg »

« Reply #195 on: December 15, 2011, 05:31 »
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Therefore, Alamy and Fotolia earned my business. I am currently visiting review sites and informing new artists where the real money is and where the corporate greed and lack of ethics are.

Putting Fotolia and "corporate greed" and "lack of ethics" into one sentence makes a lot of sense.
Only the way you do that and the conclusions you draw from that makes me think you have lived in a different world than me in the last years. ???

« Reply #196 on: December 15, 2011, 19:59 »
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Therefore, Alamy and Fotolia earned my business. I am currently visiting review sites and informing new artists where the real money is and where the corporate greed and lack of ethics are.

Putting Fotolia and "corporate greed" and "lack of ethics" into one sentence makes a lot of sense.
Only the way you do that and the conclusions you draw from that makes me think you have lived in a different world than me in the last years. ???

He doesn't make any sense and claiming ft as ethical is a tale thet he's a total dope. Can't pass at SS so he's crying on all of us. No photos on SS lying troll. Cut and paste the same words on everywhere.

Phadrea

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« Reply #197 on: December 16, 2011, 14:17 »
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Well, after a couple of days uploading and keywording I thought I would update on my progress. I have had 76 images rejected and 39 accepted. To me that's pretty bad going and at this rate I will be finding it hard to match the numbers I have in IS. Or, is this pretty normal, are they very picky once you are in ?

« Reply #198 on: December 16, 2011, 14:54 »
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Well, after a couple of days uploading and keywording I thought I would update on my progress. I have had 76 images rejected and 39 accepted. To me that's pretty bad going and at this rate I will be finding it hard to match the numbers I have in IS. Or, is this pretty normal, are they very picky once you are in ?
I initally found them easier than IS, now it's probably the other way round for me at least.  What are the rejection reasons?  If it's focus, I usually try a resubmit with a downsized image and a note to the inspector saying that I'm resubmitting.

Sorry if this is stating the obvious, but it's probably worth uploading any IS rejections you think could sell too.  I've had a few that didn't make the cut on IS but are on SS.  Congrats anyway and I hope they start accepting more.

Phadrea

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« Reply #199 on: December 16, 2011, 15:45 »
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Do you think even though I will have less files at SS they will still earn me better money than IS ? I did notice when my initial 9 were accepted, before I had chance to disable them (still exclusive at IS) I had already made a sale of 25c. If that is the case with only 9 files in such a short space of time the future looks very good :-)

Rejections were vague (focus/composition/lighting/WB/not needed) At least I have some of my best sellers at IS in there but sadly a few that didn't make it which is a shame because there is proof they do sell, even at IS :-(
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 15:47 by Herg »


 

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