Author Topic: Royalty Declines At Shutterstock (Read 20304 times)

Cesar · « **Reply #25 on:** May 15, 2015, 13:23 »

thank you.

i realy like your presence on this forum, it think forum is reacher. i miss some "old" like lisafx

Quote from: Rinderart on May 15, 2015, 13:03

I understand.

enstoker · « **Reply #26 on:** May 15, 2015, 13:42 »

Cesar, if your numbers are not just provocation or simply lye, then respect.
But, do you want to hear my modest opinion?

No chance to make 140 sales/day with so small portfolio and whatever your nitche is.

Cesar · « **Reply #27 on:** May 15, 2015, 13:57 »

this week will be average cca. 125 (monday-friday)( yesterday , today is sucky )

i lied, a i have little less images , i shoot only business and technology, no other category

i have 3 images that sell 5/day ( 15 )
i have about 20-30 images about 2/day ( 50 ) every day
other is about 60-70 but mostly new ( from june 0214 )

maybe i have luck...

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #28 on:** May 15, 2015, 14:08 »

Quote from: Cesar on May 15, 2015, 13:23

. i miss some "old" like lisafx

agree. there is a great lack of credibility these days here without many of the old regulars like lisafx
who was straight arrow not afraid to tell it like it is. not to say we don't appreciate joanne, paulie .
what did happen to lisafx anyway???

sweetgirll · « **Reply #29 on:** May 15, 2015, 14:46 »

Cesar..
Very impressive...you must be on the top of the searches....
are you exclusively on Shutterstock or on other agencies as well??? would you mind telling us if your experience with other agencies in terms of downloads is good as well???

Quote from: Cesar on May 15, 2015, 13:57

this week will be average cca. 125 (monday-friday)( yesterday , today is sucky )

i lied, a i have little less images , i shoot only business and technology, no other category

i have 3 images that sell 5/day ( 15 )
i have about 20-30 images about 2/day ( 50 ) every day
other is about 60-70 but mostly new ( from june 0214 )

maybe i have luck...

splitimage · « **Reply #30 on:** May 15, 2015, 15:01 »

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on May 15, 2015, 14:08

Quote from: Cesar on May 15, 2015, 13:23

. i miss some "old" like lisafx

agree. there is a great lack of credibility these days here without many of the old regulars like lisafx
who was straight arrow not afraid to tell it like it is. not to say we don't appreciate joanne, paulie .
what did happen to lisafx anyway???

She left due to receiving hostility on the forum over DPC

Cesar · « **Reply #31 on:** May 15, 2015, 15:24 »

SS is 2.5x more more than istock
5x more then fotolia
3x more fotolia
10x more dreamstime
12x more 123rf
12x more then bigsotck
20x more envato

i stoped to deposit ( criminals ), i dont upload to alamy, pond5, i dont why, i dont have time, i really hate uploading

i didnt try to stocksy, i dont have single image for acceptance, believe or not.

keywords are not so important on SS, a lot of sales is by category

i dont use any keyword tool, every image i keyword manually from my head, it takes more time, but i use much more words and every time diffrent,
maybe i use google for keyword, financial images i keyword from articles for examples. to many images have the same keywords. ( that is another secret i posted)

i hit the wall in march, march was so strong, april was down 400$.
Buyers want concept, they dont look if corner is dark or not.

im tired after shooting , because i shoot a lot of myself or 2 persons, difficult to focus manual myself with timer

theme is most important

Shutter also hiding some images from popular and offering them by search statistics to others buyers

Quote from: sweetgirll on May 15, 2015, 14:46

Cesar..
Very impressive...you must be on the top of the searches....
are you exclusively on Shutterstock or on other agencies as well??? would you mind telling us if your experience with other agencies in terms of downloads is good as well???

Quote from: Cesar on May 15, 2015, 13:57
this week will be average cca. 125 (monday-friday)( yesterday , today is sucky )

i lied, a i have little less images , i shoot only business and technology, no other category

i have 3 images that sell 5/day ( 15 )
i have about 20-30 images about 2/day ( 50 ) every day
other is about 60-70 but mostly new ( from june 0214 )

maybe i have luck...

cobalt · « **Reply #32 on:** May 15, 2015, 17:52 »

I Understand as well, if you have hit a goldmine niche and fear copycats. On the other hand, my portfolio is visible and can be copied, but it can also be discussed.

The number of possible daily downloads is important so that people can get an idea of how much to invest in a shoot.

Since yuris dad disclosed somewhere that yuri was getting around 600 downloads a day, it has served as an upper level that probably no single artist will break.

How much i make of course depend on the mix of license types. Obviously downloads over 100 dollars are preferred to 36 cent downloads. So downloads alone don't give you the real picture.

And every experience is different.

So if things are working well for you, good luck.

I am not unhappy with my SS experience, there is a lot to like about the place and the great people they have.

But after 2 years of being Indie I am now putting my experiences at different places together and for SS the major focus will be video. Fotolia will get more exclusive files etc...

Of course I will still send photos, I'll just adjust the mix of files to the returns i expect.

ETA: That picture of father and son was uploaded last October and had 13 downloads. It earned 6 dollars. I am not impressed.

Obviously I could upload more from the series and wait and wait and hope to get lucky, or take it out and put it into a better environment for the file.

It ´s the same for many other files, also on Fotolia. I am taking stuff down, making other files exclusive. And then I will send them content on what they sell best.

fotografer · « **Reply #33 on:** May 16, 2015, 08:57 »

Quote from: Mantis on May 16, 2015, 08:45

Not that I like DPC.

What is DPC??

Mantis · « **Reply #34 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:04 »

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 08:57

Quote from: Mantis on May 16, 2015, 08:45
Not that I like DPC.
What is DPC??

Dollar Photo Club

fotografer · « **Reply #35 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:05 »

OK thanks. Not sure if I am part of it or not as I haven't heard of it.

ShadySue · « **Reply #36 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:08 »

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:05

OK thanks. Not sure if I am part of it or not as I haven't heard of it.

IIRC, if you're in Fotolia, you're likely to be in it. I think you were 'in' by default, but part of the campaign was only to be 'opt in'. You'd need to check.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-launches-dollar-photo-club

http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/dollar-photo-club-pros-and-cons/msg389036/#msg389036

http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/is-dollar-photo-club-the-new-bottom/msg407516/#msg407516

fotografer · « **Reply #37 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:12 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2015, 09:08

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:05
OK thanks. Not sure if I am part of it or not as I haven't heard of it.
IIRC, if you're in Fotolia, you're likely to be in it. I think you were 'in' by default, but part of the campaign was only to be 'opt in'. You'd need to check.

Thank you. I will check it out.

ShadySue · « **Reply #38 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:13 »

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:12

Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2015, 09:08
Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:05
OK thanks. Not sure if I am part of it or not as I haven't heard of it.
IIRC, if you're in Fotolia, you're likely to be in it. I think you were 'in' by default, but part of the campaign was only to be 'opt in'. You'd need to check.
Thank you. I will check it out.

In case you miss it, I've added the msg links to my earlier post.

leaf · « **Reply #39 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:37 »

several posts removed and one member banned for outright insults ... let's keep this place a tad friendlier shall we!

bunhill · « **Reply #40 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:03 »

Quote from: Mantis on May 16, 2015, 09:04

Dollar Photo Club

This outfit is advertising aggressively. We had marketing from them.

I don't see how anyone can compete against their $99 annual subscription - and unused downloads roll-over.

fotografer · « **Reply #41 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:44 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2015, 09:13

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:12
Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2015, 09:08
Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:05
OK thanks. Not sure if I am part of it or not as I haven't heard of it.
IIRC, if you're in Fotolia, you're likely to be in it. I think you were 'in' by default, but part of the campaign was only to be 'opt in'. You'd need to check.
Thank you. I will check it out.

In case you miss it, I've added the msg links to my earlier post.

,
Thank you. I've checked it out and my images are there. I make between 31c and 42c for sub images at Fot. I might be missing something but why is this any worse than any other site that does subs?

Noedelhap · « **Reply #42 on:** May 16, 2015, 11:13 »

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 10:44

Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2015, 09:13
Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:12
Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2015, 09:08
Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:05
OK thanks. Not sure if I am part of it or not as I haven't heard of it.
IIRC, if you're in Fotolia, you're likely to be in it. I think you were 'in' by default, but part of the campaign was only to be 'opt in'. You'd need to check.
Thank you. I will check it out.

In case you miss it, I've added the msg links to my earlier post.
,
Thank you. I've checked it out and my images are there. I make between 31c and 42c for sub images at Fot. I might be missing something but why is this any worse than any other site that does subs?

Because a basic subscription image pack at DPC starts at only $10.
Subscription profits mainly come from higher pricing points (say $100 for a subscription), buyers not using all of their allotted downloads and expiring downloads after the end of the month.

DPC's doesn't have any of those limits, so a subscription package is basically a disguised credit pack for cheap, for which you'll receive subscription royalties. It will in the end erode your credit sales if buyers would walk over to DPC. That's why DPC is good for Fotolio (more market share), but bad news for us contributors.

fotografer · « **Reply #43 on:** May 16, 2015, 11:18 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on May 16, 2015, 11:13

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 10:44
Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2015, 09:13
Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:12
Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2015, 09:08
Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2015, 09:05
OK thanks. Not sure if I am part of it or not as I haven't heard of it.
IIRC, if you're in Fotolia, you're likely to be in it. I think you were 'in' by default, but part of the campaign was only to be 'opt in'. You'd need to check.
Thank you. I will check it out.

In case you miss it, I've added the msg links to my earlier post.
,
Thank you. I've checked it out and my images are there. I make between 31c and 42c for sub images at Fot. I might be missing something but why is this any worse than any other site that does subs?

Because a basic subscription image pack at DPC starts at only $10.
Subscription profits mainly come from higher pricing points (say $100 for a subscription), buyers not using all of their allotted downloads and expiring downloads after the end of the month.

DPC's doesn't have any of those limits, so a subscription package is basically a disguised credit pack for cheap, for which you'll receive subscription royalties. It will in the end erode your credit sales if buyers would walk over to DPC. That's why DPC is good for Fotolio (more market share), but bad news for us contributors.

Thank you for the explanation.

bunhill · « **Reply #44 on:** May 16, 2015, 11:20 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on May 16, 2015, 11:13

Subscription profits mainly come from higher pricing points (say $100 for a subscription), buyers not using all of their allotted downloads and expiring downloads after the end of the month.

DPC's doesn't have any of those limits, so a subscription package is basically a disguised credit pack for cheap

Yep. It's $99 for a year. And if you don't use your credits they carry forward. But if you use all your credits additional images are only $1 each. And it's good quality content.

How can anyone compete with that ?

I can only assume that Adobe will not be planning to charge more than this once Fotolia is incorporated into CC. It seems more likely to me that stock content will come bundled free with CC sooner or later.

wordplanet · « **Reply #45 on:** May 16, 2015, 12:19 »

Quote from: marthamarks on May 15, 2015, 11:19

Quote from: cobalt on May 15, 2015, 11:10
Good files can earn money for many, many years .

That certainly has been my experience. Some of my current best-sellers have been on SS for several years.

Cobalt & Martha, that's my experience too - they sell for years. My best sellers, backgrounds and travel images of places that haven't changed, consistently sell for me. I don't have the traditional stock photo portfolio with people (I have nearly all my people photos as RM elsewhere) and don't have stuff shot on white, so I don't get the same returns those would, but the types of images I have uploaded keep selling. My only "dead" images are those that didn't sell right away, and even some of them have sold years after I uploaded them.

I think my record for images sold in one day on SS is 9 and if I sell 5-6 in a day that's a "good" day - but I have 292 images and most of them are my "seconds" so I can't expect more than that. I do have a handful of better travel images and some trendy vintage-processed images that could easily sell on traditional sites and they are among my top-sellers on SS. I am floored by Cesar's 50-140 image DLs a day with only 1500 -1900 images. Would love to see your portfolio Cesar but understand your reticence to share.

Microstock isn't my main photography focus so I don't upload regularly but when I do upload a bunch I rarely get a rejection and I see a modest spike in sales. I like being on shutterstock, however, because it gives me a good sense of what's popular thanks to the volume of sales and I've learned so much about stock from being there and from being part of this group. So, despite my traditional stock focus, I'm not a micro-basher, though I'm bound to complain when my modest sales tank-can't help it!

cobalt · « **Reply #46 on:** May 16, 2015, 13:28 »

thank you for sharing your experience.

The thing about Caesars very impressive success (basically one fifth as successful as yuri with a lot less files than him) is that the niche seems to be so small that if just a few people discover it, he knows his income is dead.

So how sustainable is it?

I am sure every year there is a new trendy theme and the first people that get into it, can make a real killing.

Just think of the foot selfies, the first people who had a lightbox with one thousand foot selfies with all kinds of feet, shoes, locations probably earned enough to buy an apartment.

But if you get into that trend now, how much will you make?

So, i stick to boring and reliable and everything that has a very long shelf life.

tickstock · « **Reply #47 on:** May 16, 2015, 13:44 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 16, 2015, 13:28

thank you for sharing your experience.

The thing about Caesars very impressive success (basically one fifth as successful as yuri with a lot less files than him) is that the niche seems to be so small that if just a few people discover it, he knows his income is dead.

I'm not sure what Yuri has to do with this but from what I remember Yuri had 3,000 or 4,000 downloads per day.

Cesar · « **Reply #48 on:** May 16, 2015, 14:08 »

i m angry now

1. first make every day 2-3 images and mix themes, you dont know how it is difficult.
2. every week you have to upload 15 images, no matter what, vacation or not,
3. every day thinking in car and and at home situations what to shoot
4. find places
5. do this 2 years non stop, then reply to this theme

i will never post dls on this forum, ask leaf how much he is making, he is making a looot more then me. ask him how strong was march. does his shoot bricks or walls?
no he dont. he thinks was business need! he is making not talking.

Quote from: wordplanet on May 16, 2015, 12:19

Quote from: marthamarks on May 15, 2015, 11:19
Quote from: cobalt on May 15, 2015, 11:10
Good files can earn money for many, many years .

That certainly has been my experience. Some of my current best-sellers have been on SS for several years.

Cobalt & Martha, that's my experience too - they sell for years. My best sellers, backgrounds and travel images of places that haven't changed, consistently sell for me. I don't have the traditional stock photo portfolio with people (I have nearly all my people photos as RM elsewhere) and don't have stuff shot on white, so I don't get the same returns those would, but the types of images I have uploaded keep selling. My only "dead" images are those that didn't sell right away, and even some of them have sold years after I uploaded them.

I think my record for images sold in one day on SS is 9 and if I sell 5-6 in a day that's a "good" day - but I have 292 images and most of them are my "seconds" so I can't expect more than that. I do have a handful of better travel images and some trendy vintage-processed images that could easily sell on traditional sites and they are among my top-sellers on SS. I am floored by Cesar's 50-140 image DLs a day with only 1500 -1900 images. Would love to see your portfolio Cesar but understand your reticence to share.

Microstock isn't my main photography focus so I don't upload regularly but when I do upload a bunch I rarely get a rejection and I see a modest spike in sales. I like being on shutterstock, however, because it gives me a good sense of what's popular thanks to the volume of sales and I've learned so much about stock from being there and from being part of this group. So, despite my traditional stock focus, I'm not a micro-basher, though I'm bound to complain when my modest sales tank-can't help it!

PixelBytes · « **Reply #49 on:** May 16, 2015, 14:15 »

Quote from: Cesar on May 16, 2015, 14:08

i m angry now

1. first make every day 2-3 images and mix themes, you dont know how it is difficult.
2. every week you have to upload 15 images, no matter what, vacation or not,
3. every day thinking in car and and at home situations what to shoot
4. find places
5. do this 2 years non stop, then reply to this theme

i will never post dls on this forum, ask leaf how much he is making, he is making a looot more then me. ask him how strong was march. does his shoot bricks or walls?
no he dont. he thinks was business need! he is making not talking.

Quote from: wordplanet on May 16, 2015, 12:19
Quote from: marthamarks on May 15, 2015, 11:19
Quote from: cobalt on May 15, 2015, 11:10
Good files can earn money for many, many years .

That certainly has been my experience. Some of my current best-sellers have been on SS for several years.

Cobalt & Martha, that's my experience too - they sell for years. My best sellers, backgrounds and travel images of places that haven't changed, consistently sell for me. I don't have the traditional stock photo portfolio with people (I have nearly all my people photos as RM elsewhere) and don't have stuff shot on white, so I don't get the same returns those would, but the types of images I have uploaded keep selling. My only "dead" images are those that didn't sell right away, and even some of them have sold years after I uploaded them.

I think my record for images sold in one day on SS is 9 and if I sell 5-6 in a day that's a "good" day - but I have 292 images and most of them are my "seconds" so I can't expect more than that. I do have a handful of better travel images and some trendy vintage-processed images that could easily sell on traditional sites and they are among my top-sellers on SS. I am floored by Cesar's 50-140 image DLs a day with only 1500 -1900 images. Would love to see your portfolio Cesar but understand your reticence to share.

Microstock isn't my main photography focus so I don't upload regularly but when I do upload a bunch I rarely get a rejection and I see a modest spike in sales. I like being on shutterstock, however, because it gives me a good sense of what's popular thanks to the volume of sales and I've learned so much about stock from being there and from being part of this group. So, despite my traditional stock focus, I'm not a micro-basher, though I'm bound to complain when my modest sales tank-can't help it!

Don't be angry. Sounds like you have found a smart formula and workflow that are bringing you success. Don't worry what anyone else thinks. Just be happy with what you are doing. I envy your enthusiasm and discipline. Been long time since I had the same.

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Author Topic: Royalty Declines At Shutterstock (Read 20304 times)

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