Author Topic: Sale have stopped? (Read 13260 times)

ole999 · « **on:** February 23, 2022, 10:23 »

Have others experienced that sales on Shutterstock have almost stalled?

Souf10 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2022, 10:48 »

sales are so slow the year at SS 😕

Firn · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2022, 10:56 »

Sale numbers are normal for me for this time of the year.

Camillo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2022, 11:06 »

They have dropped for me like 60% compared to how it was a few months ago. I mean it wasnt like I swimming in success or anything but definitly feel that images that sold all the time suddenly stopped selling. While others have gained traction.

Anyways they reject half of everything so I guess theres hardly any new content for clients. I uploaded about 1000 images and around 300 videos and guess how many got accepted? around 300 photos and les than 10 videos.

Compare to Adobe stock they accepted around more than 500 photos and about 100 videos.

Firn · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2022, 11:31 »

Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06

They have dropped for me like 60% compared to how it was a few months ago.

You should not compare your February sales with sales from a few months ago. Sale numbers are very different in different months, depending on what your port has to offer. February tends to be a rather slow month for most contributors comapred to other months.

Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06

I uploaded about 1000 images and around 300 videos and guess how many got accepted? around 300 photos and les than 10 videos.

Compare to Adobe stock they accepted around more than 500 photos and about 100 videos.

If you have a rejection rate of 90% on Shutterstock and 50% at Adobe you should really re-think your strategy, because there is something seriously wrong with your content. It's not Shutterstock, it's your photos.
A rejection rate of less than 5% on both SS and Adobe would be normal. With everything more than 10% I'd really re-evaluate the quality of the content I submit.

MxR · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2022, 11:48 »

For me the number of sales remains stable and it is not so much the problem... the problem I see is very few S.O fat sales this year and a worrying subscription trend. Despite already having a level 4, On demand has fallen below the old fixed 2.85.

Adobe beats Shutter in my case because of how badly shutter does it and not because Adobe improves, because I also see the lower sales.

Wilm · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2022, 13:02 »

Currently I have 50 downloads less than on February 23 last year, but at least I already have a touch more revenue than in the complete February 2021 - which was extremely bad.
Nevertheless, the February revenues at AS are significantly higher.

Camillo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2022, 13:22 »

Quote from: Firn on February 23, 2022, 11:31

Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06
They have dropped for me like 60% compared to how it was a few months ago.
You should not compare your February sales with sales from a few months ago. Sale numbers are very different in different months, depending on what your port has to offer. February tends to be a rather slow month for most contributors comapred to other months.
Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06

I uploaded about 1000 images and around 300 videos and guess how many got accepted? around 300 photos and les than 10 videos.

Not useful info really... I didn't star yesterday in this.

Compare to Adobe stock they accepted around more than 500 photos and about 100 videos.
If you have a rejection rate of 90% on Shutterstock and 50% at Adobe you should really re-think your strategy, because there is something seriously wrong with your content. It's not Shutterstock, it's your photos.
A rejection rate of less than 5% on both SS and Adobe would be normal. With everything more than 10% I'd really re-evaluate the quality of the content I submit.

cascoly · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2022, 18:44 »

not much change in sales or income from SS

cascoly · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2022, 18:47 »

Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06

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Anyways they reject half of everything so I guess theres hardly any new content for clients. I uploaded about 1000 images and around 300 videos and guess how many got accepted? around 300 photos and les than 10 videos.

Compare to Adobe stock they accepted around more than 500 photos and about 100 videos.

what are the reasons for the rejections? technical or similars?

Jaggy · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2022, 08:03 »

I'm 27% ahead of where I was in 2021 (Jan/Feb) in terms of downloads (maybe more because Feb isn't over yet) and twice as much (108%) in terms of revenue.

In fairness, 2021 Jan/Feb revenue was pretty terrible.

Curious as to what this Ukraine war might do to sales, if anything.

OM · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2022, 20:11 »

SS this year so far is worse than pathetic and comes ever closer to my irritation-sufficient-delete-port level. (OK I haven't uploaded anything for 2 years)!

2021......Jan+Feb totals. Dls=367 Earnings=$188
2022......Jan+Feb totals (so far). Dls 255 Earnings=$58

gnirtS · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2022, 13:20 »

Just worked out my figures and Feb was far worse than i expected.

Download numbers down 25% on last feb and RPD down about 60% despite going through the levels.

Video sales down 50% in terms of volume too.

In total earnings 45% of Feb 21.

smcbuki · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2022, 17:33 »

My sales are good.
Better than 2021.

Contemporary Dave · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2022, 11:27 »

Sales haven't stopped for me, indeed DL's are up, but the majority of them have been 0.10 cent sales, which is pretty demoralising.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2022, 13:14 »

Quote from: Contemporary Dave on March 02, 2022, 11:27

Sales haven't stopped for me, indeed DL's are up, but the majority of them have been 0.10 cent sales, which is pretty demoralising.

That's what's new for me too. While January was downright depressing for the number of sales, Feb has been many more, lots of daily activity, but too many of those * dimes. What ever happened to ELs or looking back best OD so far in 2022 is $2.58 and SOs for .70. What the heck.

But we can trust the annual report that says they are now concentrating on Subscription sales.

maledetti centesimi

zeljkok · « **Reply #16 on:** March 02, 2022, 14:50 »

February RPD

SS: 0.253
IS: expect 0.25 - 0.35 range
DT 0.533
AS: 1.247
AL: 15.829 (net)

These numbers are probably self explanatory. Yesterday had SS On Demand for 0.23 (!) AS and AL are only 2 agencies worth contributing to at the moment IMHO

everest · « **Reply #17 on:** March 02, 2022, 15:03 »

SS is falling and will fall everyday more. More and more people are not even uploading nothing to this suckers, which is good news because clients are migrating to Adobe. Bye bye SS You deserve it . Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

Firn · « **Reply #18 on:** March 02, 2022, 15:37 »

Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03

SS is falling and will fall everyday more. More and more people are not even uploading nothing to this suckers, which is good news because clients are migrating to Adobe. Bye bye SS You deserve it . Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

Their annula report tells a different story. The only thing that is falling is contributors' revenue per image. SS is doing just peachy.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #19 on:** March 02, 2022, 15:50 »

Quote from: Firn on March 02, 2022, 15:37

Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03
SS is falling and will fall everyday more. More and more people are not even uploading nothing to this suckers, which is good news because clients are migrating to Adobe. Bye bye SS You deserve it . Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

Their annula report tells a different story. The only thing that is falling is contributors' revenue per image. SS is doing just peachy.

Firn, like you, I'm not a Shutterstock hater.
But I also see a certain trend reversal here. My focus is on current editorial topics. If my image fits and arrives, I then had mass sales on the topic with Shutterstock and never with Adobe or other agencies. That has changed this year.

cascoly · « **Reply #20 on:** March 02, 2022, 18:57 »

Quote from: Firn on March 02, 2022, 15:37

Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03
SS is falling and will fall everyday more. More and more people are not even uploading nothing to this suckers, which is good news because clients are migrating to Adobe. Bye bye SS You deserve it . Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

Their annula report tells a different story. The only thing that is falling is contributors' revenue per image. SS is doing just peachy.

yes, it's wishful thinking to say that SS is failing because a few people have stopped uploading - even if no one uploaded anymore SS would do just fine. those who claim SS is failing, as usual, fail to present any actual evidence

cascoly · « **Reply #21 on:** March 02, 2022, 18:59 »

Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03

... Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

nonsense - execs selling stock is natural, not a sign of failure; and there's neither a stampede nor accelerated decline - over the last year the stock went from 90 to 120 then back to 90

everest · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2022, 01:33 »

You are the one that is delusional. The same thing happened to Getty/Istock they were the absolute leaders in selling stock when SS was just I tiny blob in the radar. They have fallen to 3 position are riddled with debt and every day are weaker.

Same thing is happening with SS. Oringer saw that Adobe will eat SS and Getty up and spit the bones to the ground. This is because he burned his building down, squeezing every drop of contributors while he is abandoning the ship laughing all the way to the bank.

You might see it or not. Your sales and everyone else who is contributing to SS are weaker everyday. Those that are investing our time in fairer agencies like Adobe, Alamy, Stocksy, Pond5, Arcangel etc are stronger or not falling that much. Good luck to you and your partnership with SS, you will need it.

Quote from: cascoly on March 02, 2022, 18:59

Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03
... Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

nonsense - execs selling stock is natural, not a sign of failure; and there's neither a stampede nor accelerated decline - over the last year the stock went from 90 to 120 then back to 90

cascoly · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2022, 13:58 »

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 01:33

You are the one that is delusional. The same thing happened to Getty/Istock they were the absolute leaders in selling stock when SS was just I tiny blob in the radar. They have fallen to 3 position are riddled with debt and every day are weaker.

Same thing is happening with SS. Oringer saw that Adobe will eat SS and Getty up and spit the bones to the ground. This is because he burned his building down, squeezing every drop of contributors while he is abandoning the ship laughing all the way to the bank.

Quote from: cascoly on March 02, 2022, 18:59
Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03
... Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

nonsense - execs selling stock is natural, not a sign of failure; and there's neither a stampede nor accelerated decline - over the last year the stock went from 90 to 120 then back to 90

you continue to have tunnel vision - as if microstock was the dominant force in the economy. i was just pointing out that MS is not even a blip on the world economy, and its execs are neither evil nor unique but just SOP under laissez faire capitalism

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You might see it or not. Your sales and everyone else who is contributing to SS are weaker every day. Those that are investing our time in fairer agencies like Adobe, Alamy, Stocksy, Pond5, Arcangel etc are stronger or not falling that much. Good luck to you and your partnership with SS, you will need it.

i dont need you to tell me how i'm doing. my sales are NOT 'weaker every day' and your claims about non-SSers are not borne out by posts here.

Firn · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2022, 14:12 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on March 02, 2022, 15:50

Quote from: Firn on March 02, 2022, 15:37
Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03
SS is falling and will fall everyday more. More and more people are not even uploading nothing to this suckers, which is good news because clients are migrating to Adobe. Bye bye SS You deserve it . Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

Their annula report tells a different story. The only thing that is falling is contributors' revenue per image. SS is doing just peachy.

Firn, like you, I'm not a Shutterstock hater.
But I also see a certain trend reversal here. My focus is on current editorial topics. If my image fits and arrives, I then had mass sales on the topic with Shutterstock and never with Adobe or other agencies. That has changed this year.

See, but that's your personal experience. My Shutterstock sale have been absolute crap for the past 3 months, it's not even worth mentioning.
Yet, I don't go around shouting that Shutterstock is going down the drain, when I can see very clearly from their official report that they are thriefing. It's just the contributor's income that keeps getting lower, but the numbers are there, clear as day: Reducing contributor's revenue was a great bussiness step for SS and the people who are porclaiming that this was the end of SS are just doing so, because they want it to be true, not because it is. They hate what SS has done to their earnings and hope that it will backfire on SS. But karma is just wishful thinking and not everyone gets what they deserve. SS is, from am bussiness perspective doing good. Doesn't mean contributors are as well.

Beleive me, I am not rooting for SS. If SS had indeed lost all its customers to Adobe, I would be really happy about that! But I am not just making things up to fit my point of view like everest. I see their report, I see they make great profit, I see they are doing well.
I have had no noticable raise in income on Adobe for well over 1,5 years. It's falling or stagnating and always performing far worse than SS. January and February for example have been especially bad on SS (worst earnings in 1,5 years) and yet Adobe was still doing even worse for me.

As for iStock, that has basically been proclaimed as dead by everest, - it has been my best earner for months, performing really well. Adobe is not even earning me a fraction of that.

I submit the same content with the same keywords to all these agencies.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #25 on:** March 03, 2022, 15:02 »

Quote from: Firn on March 03, 2022, 14:12

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on March 02, 2022, 15:50
Quote from: Firn on March 02, 2022, 15:37
Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03
SS is falling and will fall everyday more. More and more people are not even uploading nothing to this suckers, which is good news because clients are migrating to Adobe. Bye bye SS You deserve it . Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

Their annula report tells a different story. The only thing that is falling is contributors' revenue per image. SS is doing just peachy.

Firn, like you, I'm not a Shutterstock hater.
But I also see a certain trend reversal here. My focus is on current editorial topics. If my image fits and arrives, I then had mass sales on the topic with Shutterstock and never with Adobe or other agencies. That has changed this year.

See, but that's your personal experience. My Shutterstock sale have been absolute crap for the past 3 months, it's not even worth mentioning.
Yet, I don't go around shouting that Shutterstock is going down the drain, when I can see very clearly from their official report that they are thriefing. It's just the contributor's income that keeps getting lower, but the numbers are there, clear as day: Reducing contributor's revenue was a great bussiness step for SS and the people who are porclaiming that this was the end of SS are just doing so, because they want it to be true, not because it is. They hate what SS has done to their earnings and hope that it will backfire on SS. But karma is just wishful thinking and not everyone gets what they deserve. SS is, from am bussiness perspective doing good. Doesn't mean contributors are as well.

Beleive me, I am not rooting for SS. If SS had indeed lost all its customers to Adobe, I would be really happy about that! But I am not just making things up to fit my point of view like everest. I see their report, I see they make great profit, I see they are doing well.
I have had no noticable raise in income on Adobe for well over 1,5 years. It's falling or stagnating and always performing far worse than SS. January and February for example have been especially bad on SS (worst earnings in 1,5 years) and yet Adobe was still doing even worse for me.

As for iStock, that has basically been proclaimed as dead by everest, - it has been my best earner for months, performing really well. Adobe is not even earning me a fraction of that.

I submit the same content with the same keywords to all these agencies.

Firn, we don't disagree at all. Of course, this is my very personal experience over a very short period of time from which you can not draw general conclusions. Possibly, these are also just the usual fluctuations. Also, I can't imagine any reason why customers should flee from Shutterstock to Adobe en masse.

Perhaps it is simply because Adobe is attracting more and different customers due to the growing editorial share - completely independent of Shutterstock. I don´t know.

everest · « **Reply #26 on:** March 03, 2022, 15:07 »

That you had good months with Istock might mean something or nothing at all. Depends on if you sell dozens o thousands of images every 30 days. I sell over 1000 images per month at Istock and just a few weeks ago I made a 15000$ market freeze sale. Does it mean iStock is doing good. No, not at all. They are slowly sinking for different reasons. Debt that is dragging them down is a big issue and that is the reason that they have to go public again so investors can pump in money that they don't have now for their expansion plans. Let's see how this pans out.

Adobe on the other side is a huge player. Their stock value is 222 billion. Shutterstock Mkt is only 3.2billion. So who do you think is going to be the last man standing in just a couple of years. We surely will find out. I made my bet. It will be surely be interesting. I for once hope that SS sinks . They surely deserve it

Diana Herrmann · « **Reply #27 on:** March 03, 2022, 22:26 »

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 15:07

That you had good months with Istock might mean something or nothing at all. Depends on if you sell dozens o thousands of images every 30 days. I sell over 1000 images per month at Istock and just a few weeks ago I made a 15000$ market freeze sale. Does it mean iStock is doing good. No, not at all. They are slowly sinking for different reasons. Debt that is dragging them down is a big issue and that is the reason that they have to go public again so investors can pump in money that they don't have now for their expansion plans. Let's see how this pans out.

Adobe on the other side is a huge player. Their stock value is 222 billion. Shutterstock Mkt is only 3.2billion. So who do you think is going to be the last man standing in just a couple of years. We surely will find out. I made my bet. It will be surely be interesting. I for once hope that SS sinks . They surely deserve it

What is Getty stock value?

suz7 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 04, 2022, 01:55 »

What is a market freeze sale and how can I get one of those!!!

everest · « **Reply #29 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:46 »

It is a sale where a specific image is taken down of their site. You also have to take it down from any site you have for a period of time. In my case 2 years. You get 20% of the sale if you have that image exclusive to Getty. After those years the image gets reinstated. You also cannot have similars available.
Getty has lots of experience and a very strong customer base. They know how to get out money from clients and contributors. I wish Adobe and other sites had this programs as they can be quite lucrative.
Getty has also a growing customer content program. I have never participated but there are people that are quite engaged with those too.
I think that's the reason they still exist They are always pushing the envelope. Others lag behind in that department.

Quote from: suz7 on March 04, 2022, 01:55

What is a market freeze sale and how can I get one of those!!!

everest · « **Reply #30 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:47 »

Whe don't know yet. Once they get public if they do as the whole stock market is in turmoil now we will see for how much the company thinks is worth. Much closer to SS that Adobe thats for sure.

Quote from: Diana Herrmann on March 03, 2022, 22:26

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 15:07
That you had good months with Istock might mean something or nothing at all. Depends on if you sell dozens o thousands of images every 30 days. I sell over 1000 images per month at Istock and just a few weeks ago I made a 15000$ market freeze sale. Does it mean iStock is doing good. No, not at all. They are slowly sinking for different reasons. Debt that is dragging them down is a big issue and that is the reason that they have to go public again so investors can pump in money that they don't have now for their expansion plans. Let's see how this pans out.

Adobe on the other side is a huge player. Their stock value is 222 billion. Shutterstock Mkt is only 3.2billion. So who do you think is going to be the last man standing in just a couple of years. We surely will find out. I made my bet. It will be surely be interesting. I for once hope that SS sinks . They surely deserve it

What is Getty stock value?

Wilm · « **Reply #31 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:50 »

$75000 is an enormous price for the exclusive use of a single image for only two years.

everest · « **Reply #32 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:53 »

No the sale was 15000$ for me 3000$

I have never has a 75000 sale anywhere. For me the biggest sale of all time was 23000$ also in Getty when RM still existed and I got 40% of that.Ahhhh the good old days

Quote from: Wilm on March 04, 2022, 02:50

$75000 is an enormous price for the exclusive use of a single image for only two years.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #33 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:55 »

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 01:33

You are the one that is delusional. The same thing happened to Getty/Istock they were the absolute leaders in selling stock when SS was just I tiny blob in the radar. They have fallen to 3 position...

Please tell me you're not basing the financial performance of stock companies on a monthly poll, on a forum (that while containing about 50,000 members, probably less than 10% are active) that some people fill in, some people never fill in and some people fill in intermittently?

everest · « **Reply #34 on:** March 04, 2022, 03:05 »

The poll is only a tiny part, the messages in the forums, other contributors I know personally etc. But you never have the straight data because it is always very dependent on many factors, portfolios quality being the most important one. Until you try, you don't know by yourself.

I can tell you that I am collaborating for example with a video agency that gives me more the P5, Videohive and Adobe combined. It is not even in the poll. And it was the right choice to focus strongly in being accepted there. Everybody does its own decision based on internal and external data. And sometimes we make wrong or right decisions. Everybody is on his/her own on this path to succeed or at least stay afloat in these tough times with such an oversupply of content.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 04, 2022, 02:55

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 01:33
You are the one that is delusional. The same thing happened to Getty/Istock they were the absolute leaders in selling stock when SS was just I tiny blob in the radar. They have fallen to 3 position...

Please tell me you're not basing the financial performance of stock companies on a monthly poll, on a forum (that while containing about 50,000 members, probably less than 10% are active) that some people fill in, some people never fill in and some people fill in intermittently?

Wilm · « **Reply #35 on:** March 04, 2022, 04:17 »

Quote from: everest on March 04, 2022, 02:53

No the sale was 15000$ for me 3000$

I have never has a 75000 sale anywhere. For me the biggest sale of all time was 23000$ also in Getty when RM still existed and I got 40% of that.Ahhhh the good old days

Quote from: Wilm on March 04, 2022, 02:50
$75000 is an enormous price for the exclusive use of a single image for only two years.

Okay, sorry, I had misinterpreted that.

Wilm · « **Reply #36 on:** March 04, 2022, 04:21 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 04, 2022, 02:55

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 01:33
You are the one that is delusional. The same thing happened to Getty/Istock they were the absolute leaders in selling stock when SS was just I tiny blob in the radar. They have fallen to 3 position...

Please tell me you're not basing the financial performance of stock companies on a monthly poll, on a forum (that while containing about 50,000 members, probably less than 10% are active) that some people fill in, some people never fill in and some people fill in intermittently?

Perhaps the survey results are not entirely accurate because too few contributors are participating. And because no one can say for sure whether all contributors enter correct numbers there.

But: In the past shutterstock was always on position 1. Now AS is on position 1. I assume that at least this position swap is correct and realistic.

It applies to me anyway. For years shutterstock was ahead, now it is AS. And that's not because AS has improved so much, but because shutterstock has deteriorated so much.

The screenshot shows the problem in direct comparison. There are too few large SODs coming in at shutterstock. And they are just not enough to take in what is coming in at AS. I have more downloads at shutterstock than at AS, but they don't bring in anything.

€ 3,30 vs. € 21,90 for the last 20 sales.

Roscoe · « **Reply #37 on:** March 04, 2022, 05:49 »

Quote from: Wilm on March 04, 2022, 04:21

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 04, 2022, 02:55
Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 01:33
You are the one that is delusional. The same thing happened to Getty/Istock they were the absolute leaders in selling stock when SS was just I tiny blob in the radar. They have fallen to 3 position...

Please tell me you're not basing the financial performance of stock companies on a monthly poll, on a forum (that while containing about 50,000 members, probably less than 10% are active) that some people fill in, some people never fill in and some people fill in intermittently?

Perhaps the survey results are not entirely accurate because too few contributors are participating. And because no one can say for sure whether all contributors enter correct numbers there.

But: In the past shutterstock was always on position 1. Now AS is on position 1. I assume that at least this position swap is correct and realistic.

It applies to me anyway. For years shutterstock was ahead, now it is AS. And that's not because AS has improved so much, but because shutterstock has deteriorated so much.

The screenshot shows the problem in direct comparison. There are too few large SODs coming in at shutterstock. And they are just not enough to take in what is coming in at AS. I have more downloads at shutterstock than at AS, but they don't bring in anything.

€ 3,30 vs. € 21,90 for the last 20 sales.

I'm having the same experience Wilm. Amount of sales at Shutterstock is fine for this time of the year for my portfolio, but SOD's are lacking and the vast majority are cheap subscription sales in the 10-20 $cent range, making my RPD plummet to an all time low at Shutterstock. That brings Adobe and iStock on top of the table with Wirestock (I contribute to Adobe Editorial and Alamy over them) on number three. Never expected iStock to be in that position, and certainly not at 15% commission rates. Yet there they are for three months in a row best or second best earner. We don't have the sales report from February yet, but my amount of sales in February on iStock looks promising. The growth at iStock and Adobe compensates for the shrinking Shutterstock earnings.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #38 on:** March 04, 2022, 11:58 »

The poll is not scientific, nor valid, it's just an indication of trends or possibly relative potential. Information is voluntary and unverified.

TonyD · « **Reply #39 on:** March 04, 2022, 13:10 »

Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06

They have dropped for me like 60% compared to how it was a few months ago. I mean it wasnt like I swimming in success or anything but definitly feel that images that sold all the time suddenly stopped selling. While others have gained traction.

Anyways they reject half of everything so I guess theres hardly any new content for clients. I uploaded about 1000 images and around 300 videos and guess how many got accepted? around 300 photos and les than 10 videos.

Compare to Adobe stock they accepted around more than 500 photos and about 100 videos.

SSTK are in a real rejecting mood now. it was about one half rejected before then this week I had 14 out of 15 photos rejected & ere all accepted on DT, alamy & adobe.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #40 on:** March 05, 2022, 04:52 »

Quote from: Wilm on March 04, 2022, 04:21

Perhaps the survey results are not entirely accurate because too few contributors are participating. And because no one can say for sure whether all contributors enter correct numbers there.

But: In the past shutterstock was always on position 1. Now AS is on position 1. I assume that at least this position swap is correct and realistic.

I don't think it is. I have no way to confirm it either way as nobody knows exactly how the poll is calculated and I'm pretty sure Adboe don't publish just their Adobe Stock financials... but it's just as likely that the drop to second for SS is from MicrostockGroup members deleting their accounts or no longer submitting to SS after the changes. And while the changes they made would result in less income, on average, for the average author (so dropping down the ranks somewhat would be likely)... the initial discussion that I disagreed with all about SS now being a sinking ship that's on its way out. I'm going to go with their financial reporting on that (which indicates quite the opposite), rather than the poll.

TonyD · « **Reply #41 on:** March 05, 2022, 09:13 »

Quote from: Firn on February 23, 2022, 11:31

Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06
They have dropped for me like 60% compared to how it was a few months ago.
You should not compare your February sales with sales from a few months ago. Sale numbers are very different in different months, depending on what your port has to offer. February tends to be a rather slow month for most contributors comapred to other months.
Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06

I uploaded about 1000 images and around 300 videos and guess how many got accepted? around 300 photos and les than 10 videos.

Compare to Adobe stock they accepted around more than 500 photos and about 100 videos.
If you have a rejection rate of 90% on Shutterstock and 50% at Adobe you should really re-think your strategy, because there is something seriously wrong with your content. It's not Shutterstock, it's your photos.
A rejection rate of less than 5% on both SS and Adobe would be normal. With everything more than 10% I'd really re-evaluate the quality of the content I submit.

I just had 17 out of my last 18 photos rejected for noise / focus 1 for trademark yet they are downsized & have no noise & are sharp at 100%.Haven't had this rejection rate before. I process from RAW & save to JPEG. Same photos were accepted on DT Alamy & even Abobe so something has definately changed at SSTK recently but the never say what. I even contacted support but no joy. I'm giving up on them they aren't worth the hassle.
I wouldn't care if I got enough sales on other sites but I only had two DLs on adobe this year vs 25 DLs on sstk & none on DT since Dec 2021 when I had 2 in one day. Alamy not a sale since July last year.

TonyD · « **Reply #42 on:** March 05, 2022, 12:40 »

Quote from: everest on March 04, 2022, 02:47

Whe don't know yet. Once they get public if they do as the whole stock market is in turmoil now we will see for how much the company thinks is worth. Much closer to SS that Adobe thats for sure.

Quote from: Diana Herrmann on March 03, 2022, 22:26
Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 15:07
That you had good months with Istock might mean something or nothing at all. Depends on if you sell dozens o thousands of images every 30 days. I sell over 1000 images per month at Istock and just a few weeks ago I made a 15000$ market freeze sale. Does it mean iStock is doing good. No, not at all. They are slowly sinking for different reasons. Debt that is dragging them down is a big issue and that is the reason that they have to go public again so investors can pump in money that they don't have now for their expansion plans. Let's see how this pans out.

Adobe on the other side is a huge player. Their stock value is 222 billion. Shutterstock Mkt is only 3.2billion. So who do you think is going to be the last man standing in just a couple of years. We surely will find out. I made my bet. It will be surely be interesting. I for once hope that SS sinks . They surely deserve it

What is Getty stock value?

SS will decline like getty did then they won't be stupid with rejections ie. for noise / focus when the photos are perfectly fine.

HappyBunny · « **Reply #43 on:** March 06, 2022, 09:10 »

Sales are slow for me on SS but I am more shocked about Alamy. I haven't had a sale there for a very long time. It's as if they deleted all my photos. I don't seem to exist there any longer. I used to have sales on Alamy.

suz7 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 07, 2022, 02:24 »

Thanks

Quote from: everest on March 04, 2022, 02:46

It is a sale where a specific image is taken down of their site. You also have to take it down from any site you have for a period of time. In my case 2 years. You get 20% of the sale if you have that image exclusive to Getty. After those years the image gets reinstated. You also cannot have similars available.
Getty has lots of experience and a very strong customer base. They know how to get out money from clients and contributors. I wish Adobe and other sites had this programs as they can be quite lucrative.
Getty has also a growing customer content program. I have never participated but there are people that are quite engaged with those too.
I think that's the reason they still exist They are always pushing the envelope. Others lag behind in that department.

Quote from: suz7 on March 04, 2022, 01:55
What is a market freeze sale and how can I get one of those!!!

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #45 on:** March 07, 2022, 12:06 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 05, 2022, 04:52

I don't think it is. (this position swap is correct and realistic.) I have no way to confirm it either way as nobody knows exactly how the poll is calculated...

Leaf does?

The poll is a poll of people who enter, if they choose to enter data and they put down whatever numbers they might think are true or not. If someone left SS, as one example, they might still put $0 down every month, even though we're supposed to report only agencies we submit to. Someone who's making $200 a month on SS might not like the 10c downloads and decides to put in $0 every month.

Someone who likes a different agency where they make $5 a month and enter $100 a month, to make it look better. Or an agency could have shills adding high ratings if they want to attract more artists.

Any of that is possible, but doies anyone really care enough to skew the poll, month after month?

The poll is just a poll and as I've said before is just a reflection of the relative ratings, according to those who choose to answer the questions.

No, every agency in the world can't be listed and I know you know this, but before anything displays in numbers 50 people have to enter data for that agency. Your magic site that makes more than the ones we know, wouldn't get 50 votes.

However anyone looking at the poll on the right should be aware, they are still listed in order of Earnings Rating even if they don't have 50 entries. So there is some relative and useful information that artists are sharing with each other. Not scientific, not without errors and not certified authentic, but still that can be useful?

BigStock 23 people responded and the average is 2.4 rating, Getty 5 votes for 145, which is, WOW!

Sure SS is doing fine as a company. Much of that because they are screwing us. The poll has nothing to do with how well Getty, SS Adobe or the others are doing as a business.

TonyD · « **Reply #46 on:** March 07, 2022, 16:52 »

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 15:07

That you had good months with Istock might mean something or nothing at all. Depends on if you sell dozens o thousands of images every 30 days. I sell over 1000 images per month at Istock and just a few weeks ago I made a 15000$ market freeze sale. Does it mean iStock is doing good. No, not at all. They are slowly sinking for different reasons. Debt that is dragging them down is a big issue and that is the reason that they have to go public again so investors can pump in money that they don't have now for their expansion plans. Let's see how this pans out.
Adobe on the other side is a huge player. Their stock value is 222 billion. Shutterstock Mkt is only 3.2billion. So who do you think is going to be the last man standing in just a couple of years. We surely will find out. I made my bet. It will be surely be interesting. I for once hope that SS sinks . They surely deserve it

Can someone sell more on istock than SSTK for the same images?

Wilm · « **Reply #47 on:** March 07, 2022, 17:07 »

Quote from: TonyD on March 07, 2022, 16:52

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 15:07
That you had good months with Istock might mean something or nothing at all. Depends on if you sell dozens o thousands of images every 30 days. I sell over 1000 images per month at Istock and just a few weeks ago I made a 15000$ market freeze sale. Does it mean iStock is doing good. No, not at all. They are slowly sinking for different reasons. Debt that is dragging them down is a big issue and that is the reason that they have to go public again so investors can pump in money that they don't have now for their expansion plans. Let's see how this pans out.
Adobe on the other side is a huge player. Their stock value is 222 billion. Shutterstock Mkt is only 3.2billion. So who do you think is going to be the last man standing in just a couple of years. We surely will find out. I made my bet. It will be surely be interesting. I for once hope that SS sinks . They surely deserve it
Can someone sell more on istock than SSTK for the same images?

Maybe I don't understand your question exactly. But for me, I have 778 images online at istock and 1312 at shutterstock. In relation to the portfolio size, the download quantities and the revenues are a little higher than at shutterstock.

OM · « **Reply #48 on:** March 07, 2022, 19:54 »

The things that made SS great (in the good ole days) were volume and the occasional big SOD and/or EL. Starting 2022 it seems to me that all these factors have gone. For me the volume has dropped off a cliff and any days when there is a little volume it's all ten and teen cents when it used to be 38 cents. Haven't had a decent SOD or EL so far this year and only made payout in Feb because the sales were cumulative from Jan when I didn't make minimum payout.

On AS, I get less sales in numbers but for the majority of sales the minimum amount is $0.35 and I have many for $1.00 for which I need 8-10 sales at SS to make the same money.

wds · « **Reply #49 on:** March 08, 2022, 08:37 »

Quote from: OM on March 07, 2022, 19:54

The things that made SS great (in the good ole days) were volume and the occasional big SOD and/or EL. Starting 2022 it seems to me that all these factors have gone. For me the volume has dropped off a cliff and any days when there is a little volume it's all ten and teen cents when it used to be 38 cents. Haven't had a decent SOD or EL so far this year and only made payout in Feb because the sales were cumulative from Jan when I didn't make minimum payout.

On AS, I get less sales in numbers but for the majority of sales the minimum amount is $0.35 and I have many for $1.00 for which I need 8-10 sales at SS to make the same money.

Yes, the 10 centers are demotivating. The scary part is how will the ratio of SOD/EL sales to "10 centers" change? I wonder if the ratio of "SOD/EL"s to "10 centers" is as crucial to SS success as it is to contributors success.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #50 on:** March 08, 2022, 12:27 »

Quote from: TonyD on March 07, 2022, 16:52

Can someone sell more on istock than SSTK for the same images?

Without the other part, I don't know anyone who has the same images, on all the sites. Some have more alike and some are highly varied.

I'm probably at the extreme end of highly different images on every stock site. Adobe doesn't take Editorial, News, pro sports. Recent uploads and just looking right now, I'm 85% News Editorial on SS. That's 0 on AS.

I have only 772 images on SS that aren't Motorsports. (not a great plan, but it is what it is) While I have 883 right now on AS. 339 are Illustrations of the kind that SS doesn't take. Illustrations sell best for me of anything on Adobe Stock. So for me, with those differences, it's impossible to logically compare AS to SS, by type of images.

And at the lowest level after the details, I can say, I make more on AS now than I do on SS, since the change and I used to make more on SS.

Just like me telling you my RPD, there's not much to learn for you, if you shoot, birds and scenic and I shoot, food and flowers? Which lends itself to your question, same images on various sites. I'm adding, same types of images on various sites as well.

Maybe there's someone out there who's more balanced and has more of the same everywhere? In the past, before agencies started to get the various identities, almost everything could be uploaded everywhere for most images. Now we have wacko reviews that create differences. SS has rules that have blocked some kind of work. IS has blocked pro sports.

What I'm getting at in the long way around is, there's no way, just using RPD or dollars to say, anything hard and fast about any agency that works for one person and how it might work for someone else. Some do very well at IS, others still do best at SS, and it seems right down the line, since the new contract at SS, more people are finding AS to be gaining, and their personal income is falling at SS.

But that's not to say that "no one" is doing better under the new system, because I know people personally, more than a couple, who I won't name, but they do better now on SS than before. Hard to imagine, but I trust them and they are doing it. I'm Not.

I hope something in all that makes some sense? I don't think we can actually know what's going on, or know what to expect personally, because of the many variables.

There you go. We have a poll, that's like an antiques price guide. High prices are motivated buyers at an auction, low prices are what a dealer might pay, if they are buying for resale. What someone earns on any site on the right could be someone with 10,000 images vs someone else with 1,000 images. It's just a relative guide, not exact numbers and I'd never say it's what anyone should expect to make.

Does someone else have only 1,000 images that are stunning, of the highest quality and another person has 10,000 snapshots that they took walking down the street? Image count is pretty irrelevant. Subjects, quality and content, do the buyers want and need it, that's the deciding factor.

Happy Sales!

(motorsports are not a major earning subject and aren't in demand. Bad choice on my part, but that's what I do?)

Firn · « **Reply #51 on:** March 09, 2022, 02:48 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 08, 2022, 12:27

Maybe there's someone out there who's more balanced and has more of the same everywhere?

Here. My ports on the big agencies are all pretty much identical, minus the editorial images on Adobe, but I only have very few editorial images to begin with, so it doens't make much of a difference.

But I am not sure I understand the original question "Can someone sell more on istock than SSTK for the same images". Do you mean download numbers or income? Do you mean for one specific image? For income, I made far more on iStock than on SS for the past months, but I had fewer downloads on iStock.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #52 on:** March 09, 2022, 09:21 »

Quote from: Firn on March 09, 2022, 02:48

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 08, 2022, 12:27
Maybe there's someone out there who's more balanced and has more of the same everywhere?

Here. My ports on the big agencies are all pretty much identical, minus the editorial images on Adobe, but I only have very few editorial images to begin with, so it doens't make much of a difference.

But I am not sure I understand the original question "Can someone sell more on istock than SSTK for the same images". Do you mean download numbers or income? For income, I made far more on iStock than on SS for the past months, but I had fewer downloads on iStock.

Tony's Question, and thanks for the interesting perspective.

Quote from: TonyD on March 07, 2022, 16:52

Can someone sell more on istock than SSTK for the same images?

I assumed he meant money?

Reminds me of when some people would watch the views on various sites, and I haven't changed my mind. Views don't pay bills, money does. So I'll apply the same to Downloads. If I get 52 DLs on SSTK and make $11.97, or I get 22 DLs on Adobe and make $16.56 - which one makes me more?

The same for you, if you make more on IS than SSTK, with the same images.

IS is showing a 29 rating, SSTK a 35.6 right now. That just means that there are more people like me who have different images, on different agencies. But I'm happy to read information from someone who has mostly the same.

Oh and I apologize to the forum for not having anything about Russia, Crypto, Corona or politics in general.

Please excuse me for talking about Microstock and photography.

cascoly · « **Reply #53 on:** March 09, 2022, 20:00 »

i submit the same images to all sites, but have noticed that what sells really varies by site - however, there's no way i could predict which images will sell where, so i don't spend a lot of time trying to analyze - no need to try to micromanage things i can't control

Nico · « **Reply #54 on:** March 10, 2022, 02:25 »

Quote from: ole999 on February 23, 2022, 10:23

Have others experienced that sales on Shutterstock have almost stalled?

I am experiencing a significant drop since March 4th. Basically, sales volumes remain more or less the same, but no more large individual sales (special single and others, enhanced, video) which were making more than a third of my revenues.

Wilm · « **Reply #55 on:** March 10, 2022, 11:57 »

The day before yesterday I had the first decent day of the month on shutterstock in terms of revenue. There it was $85. The download volume is relatively normal. Nevertheless, AS is still ahead in March.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #56 on:** March 10, 2022, 17:24 »

Quote from: cascoly on March 09, 2022, 20:00

i submit the same images to all sites, but have noticed that what sells really varies by site - however, there's no way i could predict which images will sell where, so i don't spend a lot of time trying to analyze - no need to try to micromanage things i can't control

Yes that's true. Different sites have different customers, who often buy licenses for different kinds of materials.

I take what I can get.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #57 on:** March 10, 2022, 21:41 »

Sales are ok. 4 large SODs today.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #58 on:** March 11, 2022, 10:02 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 10, 2022, 21:41

Sales are ok. 4 large SODs today.

Nice going. I just had an unusually large $14+ Custom on Adobe. My first thought was, I only need 6 or 7 of those a day?

Bauman · « **Reply #59 on:** March 12, 2022, 04:07 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 10, 2022, 21:41

Sales are ok. 4 large SODs today.

Nice, but that's not very indicative of the situation ... I also have many days over $100 ...

These are my 2022 numbers after 70 days (11 years of stock, portfolio about 5K, earnings 2-3K/month).

SS

Downloads -10%
Earnings -25%
RPD -17% ($0.66 vs $0.55)

AS

Downloads +25.50%
Earnings +9%
RPD -14% ($0.97 vs $0.84)

SS remains my best agency, but in 2021 SS earnings was 110% more than AS, in 2022 only 46% more.

Unfortunately, the RPD is falling across all agencies (Alamy is my worst by far ...)

Roscoe · « **Reply #60 on:** March 14, 2022, 03:08 »

The trend seems to continue: amount of sales relatively fine (slight drop but not dramatic), while RPD really suffers from 10 cent subscription trains while SOD's are missing.

On the positive note: Adobe Stock still holds strong and is growing and what surprises me the most is iStock/Getty.
I'm seeing a very significant rise in sales and interactions for my portfolio there.

JustAnImage · « **Reply #61 on:** March 15, 2022, 10:17 »

My actual numbers:
- foto RPD dropped from $0,44 in Q1/2021 to now $0,21 Q1/2022
- amount of sales increased by 11% in Q1/2022
- Video sales dropped to almost Zero - only 3 videos sales in Q1/2022 with an RPD of $4,68 (Q1/2021 video RPD was $13,24)

Shutterstock income dropped dramatically...

2021 top 5:
IStock: 23.98%
Shutterstock: 19.97%
AdobeStock: 17.27%
Pond5: 9.38%
Dreamstime: 4.77%

2022 top 5:
IStock: 34,53%
AdobeStock: 22,07%
ShutterStock: 8.66%
Pond5: 4.78%
Deposit: 4,54%

Pacesetter · « **Reply #62 on:** March 16, 2022, 01:28 »

Sales dead

Downloads dead

Dollars dead

Reviewers dead

Everything... dead

Even dead, is dead

Unamas · « **Reply #63 on:** March 16, 2022, 12:14 »

"the vast majority are cheap subscription sales in the 10-20 $cent range"
The same for me. I have one Single sale this months for almost the same amount as all others 10 cents sales. I would earn less than on Adobe without this sale.

lonerunner · « **Reply #64 on:** March 21, 2022, 17:44 »

Sales have completely stopped for me.

I am not a big seller or contributor, it usually goes around 10$ per month sales for me, last month I made 8$ in sales and NOT A SINGLE SALE IN MARCH.

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