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Title: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on June 03, 2014, 08:54
Anyone else not getting any sales or very low compared to normal on Shutter? Probably just my bad luck or skill  :-\


Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Ariene on June 03, 2014, 09:03
Last month dead, yesterday very good day and today ... is it weekend again?  :P
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on June 03, 2014, 09:04
Terribly slow there for me. Every day I expect it to go back to "normal," and every day I'm shocked to see things get even worse.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Ron on June 03, 2014, 09:04
I seem to be back on track with ODDs, which were lacking last month. So far its back to normal, like March and April. I have as many ODDs in the first 3 days of June as I had in the last 9 days of May.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: jefftakespics2 on June 03, 2014, 09:07
May was down quite a bit for me from April - which was BME, but overall not too bad. Less SODs, etc. June is starting very slowly.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Elenathewise on June 03, 2014, 10:58
Noticeably slower sales end of May - beginning of June.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: emjaysmith on June 03, 2014, 12:09
One subscription sale today, probably the worst Wednesday since I started at Shutterstock.
Been getting worse and worse for the last year.
So much for opting out of the controversial schemes elsewhere to protect my Shutterstock sales.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gbalex on June 03, 2014, 14:12
One subscription sale today, probably the worst Wednesday since I started at Shutterstock.
Been getting worse and worse for the last year.
So much for opting out of the controversial schemes elsewhere to protect my Shutterstock sales.

When sales have completely dried up and you can no longer opt out, those frogs who did not jump out of the pot will realize it is too late.

We are getting close to the dinner bell for frog soup!
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: stockmarketer on June 03, 2014, 15:26
Thought I was having a decent start to June on SS, but this thread made me go and check my numbers from the first three days of June 2013. 

first Sunday in June '14 vs '13: dls down 35%

first Monday in June '14 vs '13: dls down 32%

first Tuesday in June '14 vs '13: on track to be down about 30%

And my port size is about 35% higher than this time last year.

Depressing.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: DF_Studios on June 03, 2014, 15:32
Last month was one of my best.  Started off first day of the month with a large sale, sold a video last month and a couple of large sales.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: stealthmode on June 03, 2014, 15:45
Odds are that ODDs will make the difference between an average and a good month, but they swing suspiciously from month to month and not at the same time for everyone, ain't it odd?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: robhainer on June 03, 2014, 15:49
Yesterday was good. Today is almost like a holiday. I don't know what is going on.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on June 03, 2014, 16:29
Yesterday was good. Today is almost like a holiday. I don't know what is going on.

sad to hear- hope it picks up for all of us...
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: loop on June 03, 2014, 16:42
Yesterday was good. Today is almost like a holiday. I don't know what is going on.

Sooner or later, IS subs will have an impact on SS. And also DPC, of course, and more regarding OnDemand sales.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: bunhill on June 03, 2014, 17:01
Sooner or later, IS subs will have an impact on SS. And also DPC

SS have also been very slow to diversify. Almost their whole business seems to be microstock - i.e. no collections at different prices (apart from Offset which looks more or less like a hobby for them). IMO that makes them susceptible to competitive price cutting - and especially susceptible to competition from free and almost free content. I wonder how long they could sustain a price war.

And today many former microstock customers (smaller companies, churches, clubs etc) are finding that social media is more effective than an actively maintained old fashioned web site or blog. In many cases that means they no longer need paid content and can make do with user generated content shared by their 'friends' and customers.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: robhainer on June 03, 2014, 17:12
Yesterday was good. Today is almost like a holiday. I don't know what is going on.

Sooner or later, IS subs will have an impact on SS. And also DPC, of course, and more regarding OnDemand sales.

I doubt those things would explain a one day turnaround. Wouldn't I see a big increase in sales from FT if that were the case?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: heywoody on June 03, 2014, 17:12

......SS have also been very slow to diversify. Almost their whole business seems to be microstock - i.e. no collections at different prices (apart from Offset which looks more or less like a hobby for them). IMO that makes them susceptible to competitive price cutting - and especially susceptible to competition from free and almost free content. I wonder how long they could sustain a price war......

Strange, would have though this was their strength, not a weakness at all - do what you're good at with maximum transparency, no farting around with collections or guess how much a credit is worth.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: ShadySue on June 03, 2014, 17:15
And today many former microstock customers (smaller companies, churches, clubs etc) are finding that social media is more effective than an actively maintained old fashioned web site or blog. In many cases that means they no longer need paid content and can make do with user generated content shared by their 'friends' and customers.
It's not 'making do'; on social media, it's actually better to use really real (not 'pretend-it's-real', the current stock fashion) images, shot by people actually known to those in the group you get a lot more warm fuzzies and interaction that way.

I don't think that SS is being impacted by the loss of clubs and churches anyway (not sure about smaller companies) - most of them had no need for the expense of a sub, and wouldn't often be able/willing to pay for the one-off sales. These are the sort of customer who would love the DPC.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: bunhill on June 03, 2014, 17:29
Strange, would have though this was their strength, not a weakness at all

IMO it makes them very susceptible to being undercut on prices. In a price war they would basically have to potentially cut the price of all of their content - rather than, for example, only cutting the price of their basic content.

ETA: the worst case scenario for them might be a price war at the bottom which also corresponded with a general stock market downturn. That would have the potential to compound shareholder pressure etc.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: robhainer on June 03, 2014, 19:51
Yesterday was good. Today is almost like a holiday. I don't know what is going on.

sad to hear- hope it picks up for all of us...

Worked out. Have about double the number of sales I had since posting that. Weird afternoon rush, although five of the sales were from a new batch approved today. Would be nice if they'd keep selling.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 04, 2014, 06:04
For me May was just a little bit lower than April and June everything is into normal. Still make many changes in my portfolio, I'm cleaning all old not professional images without sales and replace them. But my port has only 1946 images, I don't think can be compared with other huge portfolios....
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: heywoody on June 04, 2014, 13:48
IMO it makes them very susceptible to being undercut on prices. In a price war they would basically have to potentially cut the price of all of their content - rather than, for example, only cutting the price of their basic content...

I'd be interested in the definition of "basic content"? Are we talking aesthetics or marketability because, with a few exceptions, these are pretty much mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: bunhill on June 04, 2014, 14:28
IMO it makes them very susceptible to being undercut on prices. In a price war they would basically have to potentially cut the price of all of their content - rather than, for example, only cutting the price of their basic content...

I'd be interested in the definition of "basic content"? Are we talking aesthetics or marketability because, with a few exceptions, these are pretty much mutually exclusive.

I think that basic content would be everything which is available at the lowest entry price. SS sells everything at the same price - so it's all basic content by that definition. It seems to me that this makes them vulnerable to losing in a price war with sites which might decide to offer much of the same or similar content at a lower entry price. I am surprised that they did not choose to integrate Offset within Shutterstock and give contributors the option to move content to it on an exclusive basis. And then promote that content to some extent.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Ron on June 04, 2014, 14:42
SS sells SODS which are negotiated uses, so if a company needs an image outside the SL and EL they cant get it for the same price.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: heywoody on June 04, 2014, 14:53
In other words, the only difference between basic content and the rest is price?

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Mantis on June 04, 2014, 16:11
Odds are that ODDs will make the difference between an average and a good month, but they swing suspiciously from month to month and not at the same time for everyone, ain't it odd?

This is the absolute truth for me. This month I think I have only 3 ods. I am currently at $25 deuces, last month at this time I was four times more.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: luissantos84 on June 04, 2014, 19:03
Odds are that ODDs will make the difference between an average and a good month, but they swing suspiciously from month to month and not at the same time for everyone, ain't it odd?

This is the absolute truth for me. This month I think I have only 3 ods. I am currently at $25 deuces, last month at this time I was four times more.

yeah not a promising start here as well, again not much we can do right?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: ultimagina on June 04, 2014, 23:01
I have a dream run with big daily SODs. SS is doing it right!


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Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: jefftakespics2 on June 05, 2014, 09:40
For the first time in a long time, I have had no overnight sales and no sales so far today. This doesn't even happen on weekends. Everything just stopped. It's always been reasonably steady. Am I alone in this?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on June 05, 2014, 09:41
nope- sales are about half of what I normally get   :-\


Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: EmberMike on June 05, 2014, 09:45

Gotta love how someone reporting some good sales gets down-votes. Speaks volumes about this "community" these days. Can't even be happy for someone else's good fortune just because things aren't going your way right now.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Ron on June 05, 2014, 10:07
I just checked, my first comment had a +1 and now 0, Im just stating facts, I guess that deserves a down vote.

There are 3 things happening on MSG:

1. If people dont like you, you get voted down, regardless of the comment
2. You cant make jokes or have some banter, it will get punished
3. People dont like the truth, it gets voted down as well.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: MxR on June 05, 2014, 10:18
I am new to the forum.
the votes do not care nothing.
Sales are still low, 60%
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on June 05, 2014, 10:19
with all the jokes I make I get more negatives than positives for sure! Just glad they don't count the negatives or it would show about -1,000 on my account  8)


Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Phadrea on June 05, 2014, 10:42
They have tanked for me too.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: ethan on June 05, 2014, 12:32
Great start to the month, made payout in two and a half days which included a Sunday but from lunchtime today nothing. And everything is subs which is sickening when I look at the hundreds of image sales needed to get to threshold levels. They probably think I have earned enough this week and, like they always do, turn off stuff to ration our income sorry I mean't enhance the customer experience in searches :)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: LesPalenik on June 07, 2014, 19:11
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Sooner or later, IS subs will have an impact on SS. And also DPC, of course, and more regarding OnDemand sales.

Only to some extent. Even more impact have the 38 million images on SS. If the current flood of accepted images continues, by next spring we'll see 50 million images on SS. Too bad, the market is not growing at the same rate.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: robhainer on June 07, 2014, 21:13
Ended up with a good first week. Best ever in earnings at nearly $450. Total sales not looking all that good.

You have to give some credit to Shutterstock. It's the only one of these microstock sites that will pay you $150 for an image. Anyone else doing that? Alamy?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on June 08, 2014, 01:30
If I discount ELs, the first week of June last year and this year produced roughly the same earnings and I've actually had 6% more sales this year than last.

@ Rob - I didn't know SODs went as high as $150, I thought they stopped at $120. Anything above $100 seems to be almost as rare as hen's teeth. I had a good % of $100+ commissions on Alamy back in 2012 but then they dried up. New pricings, I suppose.

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Ron on June 08, 2014, 01:48
Alamy is also not microstock.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on June 08, 2014, 03:32
Alamy is also not microstock.

It seems to be selling at prices in the same range as iStock. The distinction is becoming blurred.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: loop on June 08, 2014, 04:53
Ended up with a good first week. Best ever in earnings at nearly $450. Total sales not looking all that good.

You have to give some credit to Shutterstock. It's the only one of these microstock sites that will pay you $150 for an image. Anyone else doing that? Alamy?

I've got as much as 250 $ for some extended licenses at IS. Rare ocassions, yes, but several times through these years.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: ShadySue on June 08, 2014, 04:59
Ended up with a good first week. Best ever in earnings at nearly $450. Total sales not looking all that good.

You have to give some credit to Shutterstock. It's the only one of these microstock sites that will pay you $150 for an image. Anyone else doing that? Alamy?

I've got as much as 250 $ for some extended licenses at IS. Rare ocassions, yes, but several times through these years.
And no 'sensitive use' allowed.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: roidi on June 08, 2014, 05:52
Since March, it is still down about the algorithm change, I do not know what is going on. Too bad. :(
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Epsilonth on June 08, 2014, 05:59
Roughly 30% projected increase from last month. I only have 1000 images though..
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: robhainer on June 08, 2014, 08:58
If I discount ELs, the first week of June last year and this year produced roughly the same earnings and I've actually had 6% more sales this year than last.

@ Rob - I didn't know SODs went as high as $150, I thought they stopped at $120. Anything above $100 seems to be almost as rare as hen's teeth. I had a good % of $100+ commissions on Alamy back in 2012 but then they dried up. New pricings, I suppose.

Before last week, the largest I had was $72. I don't know what the rules are, but I'll take it. I ended up making more in a day at Shutterstock than a month at any of these other sites.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 08, 2014, 10:46
I even don't know nothing about votes   :-[  :'( Seems I'm completely out of the world. Someone can tell me please what are the votes for and which advantages has a member with many votes?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Gel-O Shooter on June 08, 2014, 12:36
Someone can tell me please what are the votes for
Popularity contest, mostly.
and which advantages has a member with many votes?
None, that I know of.  Goofy, I'd be willing to sell you some of my collection.  10 cents per heart sounds very reasonable to me.  ;)
BTW, EZee..Cute cat, is he yours?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on June 08, 2014, 15:49
my cat if famous-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk)

that's me and my cat on national TV!
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PixelBytes on June 08, 2014, 17:16
Alamy is also not microstock.

Didn't used to be, but seems to have turned into micro the last year or so. 
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on June 09, 2014, 03:43
Alamy is also not microstock.

Didn't used to be, but seems to have turned into micro the last year or so.

If they could boost the sales to microstock volumes, charge iStock (exclusive) prices and pay 50% I would be well chuffed.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 09, 2014, 09:11
Someone can tell me please what are the votes for
Popularity contest, mostly.
and which advantages has a member with many votes?
None, that I know of.  Goofy, I'd be willing to sell you some of my collection.  10 cents per heart sounds very reasonable to me.  ;)
BTW, EZee..Cute cat, is he yours?

Thank you so much! Yeah it would be a new find this one with the hearts commerce, at least we can compensate the photo sales lack!  ;D  ;)
The cat is mine, has 10 kg, is a male and his name is Neo  :)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 09, 2014, 09:19
my cat if famous-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk)

that's me and my cat on national TV!

  :D
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Gel-O Shooter on June 09, 2014, 11:55
my cat if famous-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk)

that's me and my cat on national TV!

The Facebook cat?  That is precious!  I know this is off topic, but on the subject of cats:

Ten years ago when the kids and I lived out in the country in Tennessee, a black stray cat adopted us.  I didn't want the cat, but you know how kids can talk mom into just about anything.  So about 6 weeks later the one cat suddenly becomes 8 cats.  Our front porch looked like a kitten factory.  I was a little upset until I got the bright idea that kittens are cute photo props.  Long story short- we kept two (both neutered ASAP), found good homes for the rest and those cats made me some $$$ before they left.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 09, 2014, 12:11
my cat if famous-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk)

that's me and my cat on national TV!

The Facebook cat?  That is precious!  I know this is off topic, but on the subject of cats:

Ten years ago when the kids and I lived out in the country in Tennessee, a black stray cat adopted us.  I didn't want the cat, but you know how kids can talk mom into just about anything.  So about 6 weeks later the one cat suddenly becomes 8 cats.  Our front porch looked like a kitten factory.  I was a little upset until I got the bright idea that kittens are cute photo props.  Long story short- we kept two (both neutered ASAP), found good homes for the rest and those cats made me some $$$ before they left.

I love all the cats in the world.  :)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Batman on June 09, 2014, 16:24
my cat if famous-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk)

that's me and my cat on national TV!

The Facebook cat?  That is precious!  I know this is off topic, but on the subject of cats:

Ten years ago when the kids and I lived out in the country in Tennessee, a black stray cat adopted us.  I didn't want the cat, but you know how kids can talk mom into just about anything.  So about 6 weeks later the one cat suddenly becomes 8 cats.  Our front porch looked like a kitten factory.  I was a little upset until I got the bright idea that kittens are cute photo props.  Long story short- we kept two (both neutered ASAP), found good homes for the rest and those cats made me some $$$ before they left.

I love all the cats in the world.  :)

Big and small.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on June 09, 2014, 16:39
I really don't like cats very much, but when a street cat dumped her two two- or three-week-old kittens on my doorstep when the mercury hit 46C a couple of weeks back, and then did a dying queen act on my balcony I let them in. They live in the pile of junk under the stairs. I've got to trap them before my son-in-law brings his Alsation and Chihuahua here in two weeks' time.  It'll be easy to catch the queen, since she is now eating cat food inside an old dog crate with the door rigged to fall whenever I like, but I'm not sure how easy it will be to herd up the kittens.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: robhainer on June 09, 2014, 16:52
my cat if famous-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk)

that's me and my cat on national TV!

The Facebook cat?  That is precious!  I know this is off topic, but on the subject of cats:

Ten years ago when the kids and I lived out in the country in Tennessee, a black stray cat adopted us.  I didn't want the cat, but you know how kids can talk mom into just about anything.  So about 6 weeks later the one cat suddenly becomes 8 cats.  Our front porch looked like a kitten factory.  I was a little upset until I got the bright idea that kittens are cute photo props.  Long story short- we kept two (both neutered ASAP), found good homes for the rest and those cats made me some $$$ before they left.

I have a similar story. We adopted a dog from the shelter last May on the day he was going to be put to sleep. They cut the adoption fee from $50 to $10, so I thought I was getting a deal. I took him to the vet and it cost me $350 to cure his kennel cough. Well, fine. At least my kid is happy. So I take a photo of them together under the shade tree in the front yard, and that photo ends up selling over 1,500 times just on Shutterstock in less than a year. It sells well on the other sites, too, so I'm well over $1,000 ahead. I don't know why. I wish I could bottle that magic for every photo.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: MxR on June 09, 2014, 16:58
Yes... dogs and cats... if they earn this money stock is healthy... 8)

Sales on shuter... less sales, more money, i am happy! :D, retunr to topic.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PixelBytes on June 09, 2014, 17:28
It's good to make a profit when you rescue animals but its good to rescue animals even if they cost you money.   They give so much more than they take.  I would be lost without my doggy.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 10, 2014, 11:38
It's good to make a profit when you rescue animals but its good to rescue animals even if they cost you money.   They give so much more than they take.  I would be lost without my doggy.

You took the words from my lips... :) When I found my cat I was coming back from the market...I was together with my mother when we saw this small kitten, very slim...I told my mom to take it in her arms so I could take a picture of them. After the picture the kitten followed me until the entrance of my house and, when I opened the gate he followed me in the garden. (We just lost a cat and we swered that we will not take another to not suffer when the cat dies...) But when I saw his eyes asking for food I called my husband out of the house to see him and we decided to adopt this kitty immediately. He eat almost a box of cat food of 400 grams in 10 minutes, was hungry desperate. Than I even don't count all the money spent with the vet because he had parasits and different cold viruses....Now, after 5 years and half that kitty weights 10 kilos and not because is fat. Is not fat, is 80% Maine Coon Cat and they grow very big. Is very very intelligent and is acting like a dog. If you throw the ball he jumps, run and bring it back to you how many times you want. You throw it 100 times, he brings it back in the mouth 100 times. He understands us when we speak almost everything with him (and this is not exageration - is acting exactly how we expect). I love him and he is my child, I don't care how much money I spend with him or how much money he produce with the photos I sell. But yes he pays his food with the photos!... :D I'd love to adopt other cats, but I cannot because of him. He doesn't accept any other cat in "his" garden, he's beating the neighbourhood cats too! This I don't like, but cannot do much, he's a free cat! Yesterday night he came home to three o'clock in the morning and I didn't go to bed because I was so worried thinking that something could happen to him outside, so I waited to let him in the house when he came back.  :D
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Gel-O Shooter on June 10, 2014, 12:35
Ezee, I thought he looked like a Maine Coon!  That's the kind of cat I want if we ever get tired of being road warriors and settle down in a house somewhere.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PixelBytes on June 10, 2014, 12:38
EZee, thank you for telling your story about your cat.  I am so happy he found you and brought so much joy to your life and you to his. :-)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 10, 2014, 14:03
Ezee, I thought he looked like a Maine Coon!  That's the kind of cat I want if we ever get tired of being road warriors and settle down in a house somewhere.

Is a fantastic cat!  ;)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 10, 2014, 14:05
EZee, thank you for telling your story about your cat.  I am so happy he found you and brought so much joy to your life and you to his. :-)

Thank you so much for listening me, even if it's off topic!  ::) :)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on June 10, 2014, 20:37
I just had a terrible meeting that was very depressing, and came home to TWO big SOD's on Shutterstock. At least one thing went right tonight!
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: marthamarks on June 10, 2014, 21:00
I just had a terrible meeting that was very depressing, and came home to TWO big SOD's on Shutterstock. At least one thing went right tonight!
Very happy for you, Michele. Congrats!
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on June 10, 2014, 21:06
Thank you!  ;D
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 11, 2014, 08:22
I just had a terrible meeting that was very depressing, and came home to TWO big SOD's on Shutterstock. At least one thing went right tonight!

Congratulations Michele! Yeah the SOD's always raise you up, they are wonderful!  :)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Phadrea on June 11, 2014, 11:36
Another pants month. Can I have April back ?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: dpimborough on June 11, 2014, 12:01
my cat if famous-

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mFXf6CqVk[/url])

that's me and my cat on national TV!


The Facebook cat?  That is precious!  I know this is off topic, but on the subject of cats:

Ten years ago when the kids and I lived out in the country in Tennessee, a black stray cat adopted us.  I didn't want the cat, but you know how kids can talk mom into just about anything.  So about 6 weeks later the one cat suddenly becomes 8 cats.  Our front porch looked like a kitten factory.  I was a little upset until I got the bright idea that kittens are cute photo props.  Long story short- we kept two (both neutered ASAP), found good homes for the rest and those cats made me some $$$ before they left.


I love all the cats in the world.  :)


If you like cats you'll love this http://youtu.be/uxXZ_uEVr9c (http://youtu.be/uxXZ_uEVr9c)  :D
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: StockCube on June 12, 2014, 06:42
My stats are also about half what I would normally expect with a lot less ODs.

I have a friend who follows Google rankings very closely as they run a business that is dependent on them.  They told me that there had been a major shake-up of Google placement (something called 'Panda' maybe? I can't quite remember) and that their site that had been in the doldrums for a couple of years was suddenly on page 1 again.  As soon as they told me this (around the 26th of May), my SS and DT OD sales tanked and OD sales at the smaller agencies suddenly picked up.  If what they said is correct then this would make sense as it would mean that the smaller agencies were being found by non-sub buyers who were searching one image at a time via Google. 

Unfortunately the increased sales at smaller agencies has not been enough to compensate for losing sales at SS and so I am now quite down for this stage of the month.  So if my friends are right about it then I hope Google change it back soon or either SS and DT find a way to get back into good Google placement again because this is killing me.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gbalex on June 12, 2014, 06:57
My stats are also about half what I would normally expect with a lot less ODs.

I have a friend who follows Google rankings very closely as they run a business that is dependent on them.  They told me that there had been a major shake-up of Google placement (something called 'Panda' maybe? I can't quite remember) and that their site that had been in the doldrums for a couple of years was suddenly on page 1 again.  As soon as they told me this (around the 26th of May), my SS and DT OD sales tanked and OD sales at the smaller agencies suddenly picked up.  If what they said is correct then this would make sense as it would mean that the smaller agencies were being found by non-sub buyers who were searching one image at a time via Google. 

Unfortunately the increased sales at smaller agencies has not been enough to compensate for losing sales at SS and so I am now quite down for this stage of the month.  So if my friends are right about it then I hope Google change it back soon or either SS and DT find a way to get back into good Google placement again because this is killing me.

Google Algorithm Change History
http://moz.com/google-algorithm-change (http://moz.com/google-algorithm-change)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: TanyaLittle on June 13, 2014, 16:11
All of this information is incredibly interesting, especially as someone new at Shutterstock! Guess I didn't realize how much goes into it.. O.o
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on June 17, 2014, 11:35
I guess sales must really be down across the site...I just got an email offering 25% off.

Slooooow summer.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: marthamarks on June 17, 2014, 11:42
Slooooow summer.

Same here, on both SS and DT.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Mantis on June 17, 2014, 12:37
I guess sales must really be down across the site...I just got an email offering 25% off.

Slooooow summer.

Shutterstock is horribly down for me in June. Almost as if I was on the losing end of a best match test. Way more down than summer slump. Record month last month, may be the lowest month in the last 2 years at this rate.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Desintegrator on June 17, 2014, 12:37
Actually I'm having very good June so far, even if there are a few weekdays with frighteningly low number of downloads.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: robhainer on June 17, 2014, 22:44
On track for BME if things hold out. Sales are hopping this week so far.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Cesar on June 18, 2014, 04:43
June is very good, it looks like it will BME.  i did not expect so high volume sales.
Problem is, 99% of sales is last 12 mounth of work, will see if september will be also good.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PZF on June 18, 2014, 04:48
My sales are dir also - on all sites but especially SS.

Two comments:
yesterday I was on a different computer and searching for cat photo download the first bunch were colourbox!
today it's that wretched D*C that's in the lead....

:(

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on June 18, 2014, 05:53
June looks to be down roughly 60% on the year average to date.  The slide that started quite literally overnight about 5 weeks ago is continuing.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: roidi on June 18, 2014, 07:17
June is better than May, trying to experiment "not to add new photos"
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Phadrea on June 24, 2014, 16:40
Terrible at the moment. It seems to get worse the more files I get in my portfolio.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Mantis on June 24, 2014, 17:12
Well June is a bust on SS.  Multiple weekdays without a single OD. Today is another one of those days.  I will be hundreds off from last month. I do not attribute that heavy of a loss to summer slump, I attribute it to a best match change. As Scott B has stated many times when they are "experimenting" with an algorithm change it usually only affects a subset of contributors. Something has to be going on where I am part of the quick sand clan.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on June 24, 2014, 18:19
It's still dire money wise relative to normal but as people have noticed above the main difference im seeing is the reduction in EL, high value SOD and ODDs.

Nearly all my stuff is subscription and the few SODs i do have are small value (lots of *0.36 and $13 being the max).  Not a single EL this month.

Numbers wise it doesn't look too bad but the lack of anything above subscription is making it an absolutely horrendous month for earnings.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: tavi on June 25, 2014, 01:49
   For me it will be third month in a row with decreasing sales. No ELs, small SODs and few ODs. The decreasing curve begun when I reached 0.36 level. I submitted more images like usually in this months, but everithing is going down. Weird and depresing. My numbers are down on all aspects: dlds number, money/month and the weird one, as I passed another level, return/dld. I want to see the contributors that are selling more if it is a shift in search, as here everybody is complaining.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Phadrea on June 25, 2014, 02:09
For me sales on almost every site have taken a drop pretty much like what happened last June. What makes it worse is SS coming down hard on submissions. I got one measly sale of .33 cents yesterday. It could be down to Google again.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: fmarsicano on June 25, 2014, 03:15
My sales are bringing me the best month ever, shutterstock getting much better than may but still 25% down from march and april


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Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: photostockad on June 25, 2014, 04:00
4 EL this month and i guess it will be the best month for me from 2010 to the present.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Phadrea on June 25, 2014, 04:12
What is an EL ?  :(
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: photostockad on June 25, 2014, 04:18
Enhanced License
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: 60D on June 25, 2014, 10:19
With a $100 SOD, this month has already become my BME in terms of income. It will also become BME in terms of downloads by the end of the month.  ;D
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: spike on June 25, 2014, 10:25
On the way to become BME, but not by a large margin. So, the summer slowdown hasn't started for me yet.

But I don't have high hopes for July or August.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 25, 2014, 10:37
My last BME at Shutterstock was in March.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Desintegrator on June 25, 2014, 12:06
On the way to a BME. My las BME on SS was May of 2008
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Nikovsk on June 25, 2014, 12:16
Decent number of sales but crappy RPD... very very few on demand.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Rinderart on June 25, 2014, 12:58
Worst june since 2006. I think it would help to include how long you have been active on SS when you post Pls, Also port size.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on June 25, 2014, 13:23
been with ss since mid 2011 have 2,200 images and up by 50% compared to last year's June...
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: eZeePics on June 25, 2014, 13:53
been with ss since mid 2011 have 2,200 images and up by 50% compared to last year's June...


I'm with Shutterstock since 2007...I have started from hobby, in fact more than half of my port is not very professional....old images....I'm actually cleaning my port, deleting and substitute a lot of images but I'm doing it in small steps....I'm working for stocks full time more serious since about one year. Actually I have 1993 images and videos and my sales increased a lot. But I'm not a Pro Seller. I had long periods when I didn't upload nothing.  Now I'm trying to upload at least 50 each week. Almost all I upload is accepted lastly, I have only the last batches of editorial refused in 70% but after I opened a ticket and asked re-examination and the images were approved. My last BME was March 2014. April almost the same like March, it wasn't BME for a very small difference. In May and June the sales decreased a bit, not very much, but I have noticed a decrease. Anyway I strongly believe that, if someone uploads constantly and good stuff, the sales are coming. The June decrease is also because of DPC I think and also the summer.
I read somewhere in the posts about Shutterstock something about a software of rationing sales at Shutterstock. I don't remember who mentioned it. I personally don't believe that such software exists is against the interests of the company. I like Shutterstock and never had issues with them, they are very nice and available always and they helped me each time I needed help for things I didn't understand well.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Phadrea on June 27, 2014, 03:30
Well something is happening because my sales are dire now.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: luissantos84 on June 27, 2014, 03:33
Well something is happening because my sales are dire now.

same here, for the 1st time I have a month making less than last year

anyway maybe the heavy submissions aren't helping us... I believe I have never seen it so high!

SHUTTERSTOCK STATS: 38,689,531 royalty-free stock images / 285,933 new stock images added this week
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Metsafile on June 27, 2014, 03:40
June is turning out to be my best month of year on SS with some larger than average ODs.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Mantis on June 27, 2014, 06:20
Well something is happening because my sales are dire now.

same here, for the 1st time I have a month making less than last year

anyway maybe the heavy submissions aren't helping us... I believe I have never seen it so high!

SHUTTERSTOCK STATS: 38,689,531 royalty-free stock images / 285,933 new stock images added this week

As of today, June 27, I am 50% down on SS ($hundreds down) compared to last month. That is more than summer slump.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on June 27, 2014, 07:28
Same, terrible month.

The total NUMBER of downloads for me is going to be only slightly below average. 
Due to the near complete lack of EL/SODs and even many ODDs though im going to be roughly $300 down on the monthly average for the year and its one of the worst months ive had since i started getting payouts (now with 10x the number of images as then).

So looking for me, its the *type* of download thats changed suddenly more than anything else.  Pretty much everything is subscription.

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: roidi on June 27, 2014, 08:37
BIG PROBLEM      " 294,298 new stock images added this week "  :(
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: photostockad on June 27, 2014, 08:46
1300 images, working on SS from 2010, June 2014 is BME for me (i have 4 EL, and even without this ELs is up compared with May or April).
95% travel portfolio.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on June 27, 2014, 08:51
Love the replies- 'Worse month ever!'- 'Best month ever'   Like watching a tennis match and the ball keeps going over the net (Good Month- Bad Month)  8)



Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gbalex on June 27, 2014, 09:06
Love the replies- 'Worse month ever!'- 'Best month ever'   Like watching a tennis match and the ball keeps going over the net (Good Month- Bad Month)  8)

And the folks responsible for pulling the switch must be amazed that most of us do not see the reality of the situation.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on June 27, 2014, 09:07
Love the replies- 'Worse month ever!'- 'Best month ever'   Like watching a tennis match and the ball keeps going over the net (Good Month- Bad Month)  8)

And the folks responsible for pulling the switch must be amazed that most of us do not see the reality of the situation.

Which might lend some credence to the portfolio rotation speculation going round.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Mantis on June 27, 2014, 09:07
Love the replies- 'Worse month ever!'- 'Best month ever'   Like watching a tennis match and the ball keeps going over the net (Good Month- Bad Month)  8)

While that may seem humerous the fluctuation is what is worrysome. When they tweak the dials, and I suspect that's what happened, income that you rely on dries up. I'm not talking $50 here and there but half a grand in a month variance. That isn't normal, and it is commonly said by the agencies that when they tweak searches there are winners and there are losers. So I am really talking about search tweak affects I suppose, as opposed to normal, seasonal fluctuations. Many of us rely on this income and while I am happy for those who are on the winning side of this, those that are opposite are affected in a far treated magnitude than normal highs and lows.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Mantis on June 27, 2014, 09:08
Love the replies- 'Worse month ever!'- 'Best month ever'   Like watching a tennis match and the ball keeps going over the net (Good Month- Bad Month)  8)

And the folks responsible for pulling the switch must be amazed that most of us do not see the reality of the situation.

Which might lend some credence to the portfolio rotation speculation going round.

That would make more sense, kinda like dt does.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: stockmarketer on June 27, 2014, 09:21
Best Month Ever = newbie response
Worst Month Ever = veteran response

I've finally come to accept that it's virtually impossible for an ms vet to get past the dreaded wall, and here's why...

If a newbie has a port of 50 images one month, and 100 the next, his/her port size went up 100%.
In that same month, the total images on any given site went up from, say, 25 to 26 million images, an increase of 4%.  As long as the rookie's percentage rate of port increase beats the total image percentage of increase, he/she can see fantastic growth.

But if a veteran has a port of 5000 images one month and 5,100 the next, his/her port size went up  just 2%.  Compared to the 4% monthly growth in total images available on the agencies, the ms vet is going backward, and will see less money each month.

Of course, there are other factors such as monthly variations (March is always a better month than April, December is always much worse than January).  So run the same calculation on an annual basis.  Depressing, depressing results.

It's a numbers game, and once your port is a certain size, and as the agencies keep growing at an incredible rate, you WILL start going backward.  I denied this reality for a long time, insisting that I could overcome the wall by finding niches and meeting an aggressive daily quota, and I may have held back the wall for a year or two by doing this, but it ended up crushing me. 

I've got nearly double the port size I had two years ago, and I'm averaging a few dollars less every day.  And I expect two years from now to be making even less.  For the first time in nearly 8 years of doing this, I feel very negative about microstock.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: stockmarketer on June 27, 2014, 09:34

While that may seem humerous the fluctuation is what is worrysome. When they tweak the dials, and I suspect that's what happened, income that you rely on dries up. I'm not talking $50 here and there but half a grand in a month variance. That isn't normal, and it is commonly said by the agencies that when they tweak searches there are winners and there are losers. So I am really talking about search tweak affects I suppose, as opposed to normal, seasonal fluctuations. Many of us rely on this income and while I am happy for those who are on the winning side of this, those that are opposite are affected in a far treated magnitude than normal highs and lows.

I don't think the search tweaks are what we really have to worry about.  Yes, it can amount to a loss of a few hundred bucks a month here and there.   But even if the agencies left their searches alone, you'll still be crushed by the rising tide of new images flooding their collections.  Unless you can increase your port size by 4 or 5 % every month (the amount the agencies are increasing their collection sizes), your returns WILL shrink. 

How many people with ports of 6000 images can produce 10 more every single day?  Doable, you say?  OK, that's a ton of work just to tread water and not see income go down.  You'll soon reach 12,000 images and then have to produce 20 more every day to not see an income decrease (assuming the agencies are still growing by only 5% a month at that point... and by then their growth could be 10% a month, meaning you'd have to produce 40 new images a day just to tread water.)

I have to stop thinking about this.  Makes me want to go crawl under a rock.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on June 27, 2014, 09:54
Another issue with comparisons is small portfolios can skew the results.

If you don't get many sales then 1 EL or high value SOD can make the difference between a worse month or best month.  A single high value SOD could be 300% a normal monthly income.

With bigger portfolios all this is smoothed so it takes a long more to show a deviation from average.  This is obviously a more accurate guide.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gbalex on June 27, 2014, 10:39
Best Month Ever = newbie response
Worst Month Ever = veteran response

I've finally come to accept that it's virtually impossible for an ms vet to get past the dreaded wall, and here's why...

If a newbie has a port of 50 images one month, and 100 the next, his/her port size went up 100%.
In that same month, the total images on any given site went up from, say, 25 to 26 million images, an increase of 4%.  As long as the rookie's percentage rate of port increase beats the total image percentage of increase, he/she can see fantastic growth.

But if a veteran has a port of 5000 images one month and 5,100 the next, his/her port size went up  just 2%.  Compared to the 4% monthly growth in total images available on the agencies, the ms vet is going backward, and will see less money each month.

That does not explain the large drops "which occur overnight" and then continue for months for many long term contributors with large ports. As it hits more long term contributors as their ports age, the reality will set in that they are indeed punishing long term contributors in the search.

Shutterstock has a lot to gain from acquiring disgruntled IS exclusives. From the beginning (2004) shutterstock has given new ports a boost and I think a short term boost is certainly fair.

However the above has gone from a simple short term boost in the past to longer term boosts for new ports and punishment in searches for older ports. Contributors do not believe this until they too experience large overnight drops which do not abate over time. Some long time contributors are reporting that they can see progressive timed drops which occur on the same date over the last two years.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Nikovsk on June 27, 2014, 10:49
The number of downloads in SS is also increasing, not as much as images of course, but I guess the inequality in image downloads is becoming more stronger. A successful picture on top of the search will generate thousands of sales and a large number of files will be buried forever. A more random search would reduce this problem, even though sales would be less predictable.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PixelBytes on June 27, 2014, 10:55
Best Month Ever = newbie response
Worst Month Ever = veteran response

I've finally come to accept that it's virtually impossible for an ms vet to get past the dreaded wall, and here's why...

If a newbie has a port of 50 images one month, and 100 the next, his/her port size went up 100%.
In that same month, the total images on any given site went up from, say, 25 to 26 million images, an increase of 4%.  As long as the rookie's percentage rate of port increase beats the total image percentage of increase, he/she can see fantastic growth.

But if a veteran has a port of 5000 images one month and 5,100 the next, his/her port size went up  just 2%.  Compared to the 4% monthly growth in total images available on the agencies, the ms vet is going backward, and will see less money each month.

Of course, there are other factors such as monthly variations (March is always a better month than April, December is always much worse than January).  So run the same calculation on an annual basis.  Depressing, depressing results.

It's a numbers game, and once your port is a certain size, and as the agencies keep growing at an incredible rate, you WILL start going backward.  I denied this reality for a long time, insisting that I could overcome the wall by finding niches and meeting an aggressive daily quota, and I may have held back the wall for a year or two by doing this, but it ended up crushing me. 

I've got nearly double the port size I had two years ago, and I'm averaging a few dollars less every day.  And I expect two years from now to be making even less.  For the first time in nearly 8 years of doing this, I feel very negative about microstock.

Good post.  Many vets have said this but nobody ever believes until it happens to them.  Human nature to all think we are special enough to beat the odds.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: MxR on June 27, 2014, 11:00
A lot of images are series, too similars, editorial...  we must search for quality, is the only way...
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Nikovsk on June 27, 2014, 11:06
I'm a new contributor and I definitely believe in the wall. I just hope that in this stage I'm already making much more than I spend monthly. In the long term, I will need to diversify with other investments and in like 10 years it will be simply a small passive flow of income as it won't be worth the trouble to upload anymore.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: pancaketom on June 27, 2014, 11:12
It is a numbers game, but unless you produce niche stuff, it is also a search placement game. Once your image is past say, page 5  (or 10 or 30 or whatever that people stop searching), it will not sell much. If you are a long time submitter you may have a number of images on page one that sell regularly. When the search gets tweaked, they are no longer on p1 and sales drop. When search gets tweaked again they probably don't end up back on p1 again. While in some ways this looks like a move to punish long term contributors (and maybe it is) in reality it is probably just the cold cruel world doing what the cold cruel world does. When there are many thousands of competing images in the same search any search shuffle is going to hurt established ports. There is always a chance this could elevate another of your images, but that is where the numbers game hurts us - the chances are low with so many competing images.

Eventually we will all run into diminishing returns as our ports grow more slowly than the agency collections - the question is is the income at that point worth the work required to keep our income at the level it is? Eventually that answer will probably become no - but hopefully we can all have a good run before then (or start over again with 3d pics and video or whatever is new).
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Elenathewise on June 27, 2014, 11:15
Looks like June is going to be 20% down from an average month.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: dpimborough on June 27, 2014, 11:54
Well all I can say is that Shutterstock just sells and each month is better than the last.  :D

As to all of the other agencies it doesn't matter what I throw at them and they get the same images as SS yet their sales are flat and follow the same pattern every month.  A few bucks and a handful of sales.  :(

So to my mind SS can keep doing what they do and make me some money which is all I expect.  8)


Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on June 27, 2014, 12:40
Well all I can say is that Shutterstock just sells and each month is better than the last.  :D

As to all of the other agencies it doesn't matter what I throw at them and they get the same images as SS yet their sales are flat and follow the same pattern every month.  A few bucks and a handful of sales.  :(

So to my mind SS can keep doing what they do and make me some money which is all I expect.  8)

enjoy the moment while the ride is fun  8)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Rinderart on June 27, 2014, 20:23
Best Month Ever = newbie response
Worst Month Ever = veteran response

I've finally come to accept that it's virtually impossible for an ms vet to get past the dreaded wall, and here's why...

If a newbie has a port of 50 images one month, and 100 the next, his/her port size went up 100%.
In that same month, the total images on any given site went up from, say, 25 to 26 million images, an increase of 4%.  As long as the rookie's percentage rate of port increase beats the total image percentage of increase, he/she can see fantastic growth.

But if a veteran has a port of 5000 images one month and 5,100 the next, his/her port size went up  just 2%.  Compared to the 4% monthly growth in total images available on the agencies, the ms vet is going backward, and will see less money each month.

Of course, there are other factors such as monthly variations (March is always a better month than April, December is always much worse than January).  So run the same calculation on an annual basis.  Depressing, depressing results.

It's a numbers game, and once your port is a certain size, and as the agencies keep growing at an incredible rate, you WILL start going backward.  I denied this reality for a long time, insisting that I could overcome the wall by finding niches and meeting an aggressive daily quota, and I may have held back the wall for a year or two by doing this, but it ended up crushing me. 

I've got nearly double the port size I had two years ago, and I'm averaging a few dollars less every day.  And I expect two years from now to be making even less.  For the first time in nearly 8 years of doing this, I feel very negative about microstock.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: 60D on June 29, 2014, 02:17
Best Month Ever = newbie response
Worst Month Ever = veteran response

I've finally come to accept that it's virtually impossible for an ms vet to get past the dreaded wall, and here's why...

If a newbie has a port of 50 images one month, and 100 the next, his/her port size went up 100%.
In that same month, the total images on any given site went up from, say, 25 to 26 million images, an increase of 4%.  As long as the rookie's percentage rate of port increase beats the total image percentage of increase, he/she can see fantastic growth.

But if a veteran has a port of 5000 images one month and 5,100 the next, his/her port size went up  just 2%.  Compared to the 4% monthly growth in total images available on the agencies, the ms vet is going backward, and will see less money each month.

Of course, there are other factors such as monthly variations (March is always a better month than April, December is always much worse than January).  So run the same calculation on an annual basis.  Depressing, depressing results.

It's a numbers game, and once your port is a certain size, and as the agencies keep growing at an incredible rate, you WILL start going backward.  I denied this reality for a long time, insisting that I could overcome the wall by finding niches and meeting an aggressive daily quota, and I may have held back the wall for a year or two by doing this, but it ended up crushing me. 

I've got nearly double the port size I had two years ago, and I'm averaging a few dollars less every day.  And I expect two years from now to be making even less.  For the first time in nearly 8 years of doing this, I feel very negative about microstock.

Totally agree. I think everyone would be happy if SS increase their payments by ~5% for every $10,000 lifetime earnings after first $10,000. Otherwise, for veterans who has already reached $10,000 lifetime earnings, it's not fair. I think this is not a big deal for a big company like SS. Even small companies increase their employees salaries once a year (OK, we are not really employees of SS, but they cannot do it without us). We are not asking for this hard enough. Many people has changed from their full-time jobs to work as a full-time micro stock contributor after seeing the growth of income in first couple of years. However, they simply have to end up by disappointing themselves after couple of more years, after their income just freezes or even goes backward. We need to make a big shout and ask for a change.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Cesar on June 29, 2014, 13:31
sales 20% up with 4% increase in portfolio.
Superb month,zero costs.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PZF on June 30, 2014, 11:07
Just very odd. Some raking it in, apparently. Others invisible....
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Phadrea on July 01, 2014, 05:06
Crap. May and June didn't even make the payout threshold. Ditto for the rest. Something is happening again (like last June) when Google messed things up for people trying to make a living by tweaking the search system.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: bpepz on July 01, 2014, 13:05
Best Month Ever = newbie response
Worst Month Ever = veteran response

I've finally come to accept that it's virtually impossible for an ms vet to get past the dreaded wall, and here's why...

If a newbie has a port of 50 images one month, and 100 the next, his/her port size went up 100%.
In that same month, the total images on any given site went up from, say, 25 to 26 million images, an increase of 4%.  As long as the rookie's percentage rate of port increase beats the total image percentage of increase, he/she can see fantastic growth.

But if a veteran has a port of 5000 images one month and 5,100 the next, his/her port size went up  just 2%.  Compared to the 4% monthly growth in total images available on the agencies, the ms vet is going backward, and will see less money each month.

Of course, there are other factors such as monthly variations (March is always a better month than April, December is always much worse than January).  So run the same calculation on an annual basis.  Depressing, depressing results.

It's a numbers game, and once your port is a certain size, and as the agencies keep growing at an incredible rate, you WILL start going backward.  I denied this reality for a long time, insisting that I could overcome the wall by finding niches and meeting an aggressive daily quota, and I may have held back the wall for a year or two by doing this, but it ended up crushing me. 

I've got nearly double the port size I had two years ago, and I'm averaging a few dollars less every day.  And I expect two years from now to be making even less.  For the first time in nearly 8 years of doing this, I feel very negative about microstock.

Actually, the growth numbers are not all that bad on shutterstock. Looks like this week the amount of new images is at 280k, and shutterstock has nearly 39 million images right now. That is less then 1% increase a week. Also keep in mind, probably 80% of the those 280k new images are probably poorly done photos of screwdrivers or apples on white, ducks, park benches, and stale food. The amount of "real" images you are competing with if you are half competent is very very small. So even growing your port at a very modest 2% a month should see growth.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PixelBytes on July 01, 2014, 13:17
Actually, the growth numbers are not all that bad on shutterstock. Looks like this week the amount of new images is at 280k, and shutterstock has nearly 39 million images right now. That is less then 1% increase a month. Also keep in mind, probably 80% of the those 280k new images are probably poorly done photos of screwdrivers or apples on white, ducks, park benches, and stale food. The amount of "real" images you are competing with if you are half competent is very very small. So even growing your port at a very modest 2% a month should see growth.

There is a long talk about how tough the rejections have gotten on Shutter.  I don't think most of those new images are so LCV as you say.  The smaller growth is either people holding off uploading during the slow season, or the tougher reviews or both.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: stockmarketer on July 01, 2014, 14:19
Best Month Ever = newbie response
Worst Month Ever = veteran response

I've finally come to accept that it's virtually impossible for an ms vet to get past the dreaded wall, and here's why...

If a newbie has a port of 50 images one month, and 100 the next, his/her port size went up 100%.
In that same month, the total images on any given site went up from, say, 25 to 26 million images, an increase of 4%.  As long as the rookie's percentage rate of port increase beats the total image percentage of increase, he/she can see fantastic growth.

But if a veteran has a port of 5000 images one month and 5,100 the next, his/her port size went up  just 2%.  Compared to the 4% monthly growth in total images available on the agencies, the ms vet is going backward, and will see less money each month.

Of course, there are other factors such as monthly variations (March is always a better month than April, December is always much worse than January).  So run the same calculation on an annual basis.  Depressing, depressing results.

It's a numbers game, and once your port is a certain size, and as the agencies keep growing at an incredible rate, you WILL start going backward.  I denied this reality for a long time, insisting that I could overcome the wall by finding niches and meeting an aggressive daily quota, and I may have held back the wall for a year or two by doing this, but it ended up crushing me. 

I've got nearly double the port size I had two years ago, and I'm averaging a few dollars less every day.  And I expect two years from now to be making even less.  For the first time in nearly 8 years of doing this, I feel very negative about microstock.


Actually, the growth numbers are not all that bad on shutterstock. Looks like this week the amount of new images is at 280k, and shutterstock has nearly 39 million images right now. That is less then 1% increase a week. Also keep in mind, probably 80% of the those 280k new images are probably poorly done photos of screwdrivers or apples on white, ducks, park benches, and stale food. The amount of "real" images you are competing with if you are half competent is very very small. So even growing your port at a very modest 2% a month should see growth.


We're in the middle of one of the slowest periods of the year for uploads. 

A better comparison is an annual one. 

Not sure of the best place to find data for a year over year comparison, but a quick Google search turned up this comparison, from Jan of 2013:

"Shutterstock continued to add to its digital library and now hosts a collection of 21.7 million images, compared with 16.2 million a year ago. " (SOURCE: http://www.sramanamitra.com/2013/01/09/shutterstocks-ipo-performance (http://www.sramanamitra.com/2013/01/09/shutterstocks-ipo-performance))

The growth rate described there is 34% in one year.  Let's assume that rate is the same today (I bet it's higher).  That means if you have a port of 5000 images, you would need to have 6700 a year from now just to maintain your share of visibility in the overall SS collection.  That's 1700 a year, or about 5 new uploads a day (assuming they ALL get accepted).

The following year you'd have to add 2238 to remain at that 34% growth rate, or about 6 new uploads accepted everyday.  Working even harder, not to grow but to just hold on to what you're making. 

I wish I did the math on this when I jumped into ms.  Probably would have talked myself out of it.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: michaeldb on July 01, 2014, 15:17
...
The growth rate described there is 34% in one year.  Let's assume that rate is the same today (I bet it's higher).  That means if you have a port of 5000 images, you would need to have 6700 a year from now just to maintain your share of visibility in the overall SS collection.  That's 1700 a year, or about 5 new uploads a day (assuming they ALL get accepted).

The following year you'd have to add 2238 to remain at that 34% growth rate, or about 6 new uploads accepted everyday.  Working even harder, not to grow but to just hold on to what you're making. 

I wish I did the math on this when I jumped into ms.  Probably would have talked myself out of it....
Very interesting thoughts. I had not heard of the concept that shrinking "share of visibility" is what accounts for "hitting the wall" i.e. declining revenue in spite of steadily submitting. It makes sense to me though.

One bright spot though is that the 34% increase in SS images is exponential growth, and so it cannot be maintained indefinitely: Soon SS will reach 100 million images and so need 34 million per year to maintain 34% growth. Then SS will soon reach 1 billion images and need 340 million per year to maintain 34% growth. And so on.

Eventually SS would need trillions of new images per year to maintain growth. Unlikely, even if reviewers start accepting all LCV iPhone images with trademarks and logos in them. :)

So the rate of growth will have to begin to diminish someday, but when? 
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Nikovsk on July 01, 2014, 16:15
Excellent point, Michaeldb. Not only it will be impossible for SS mantain it's portfolio growth, the number of sales is also increasing. It's not so bad as it sounds. Even though some files simply have no chance as they get buried within minutes on common subjects.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: ignard on July 01, 2014, 16:37
Lesson to be learned.... Don't shoot common subjects and don't copy others
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: bpepz on July 02, 2014, 09:10
Actually, the growth numbers are not all that bad on shutterstock. Looks like this week the amount of new images is at 280k, and shutterstock has nearly 39 million images right now. That is less then 1% increase a month. Also keep in mind, probably 80% of the those 280k new images are probably poorly done photos of screwdrivers or apples on white, ducks, park benches, and stale food. The amount of "real" images you are competing with if you are half competent is very very small. So even growing your port at a very modest 2% a month should see growth.

There is a long talk about how tough the rejections have gotten on Shutter.  I don't think most of those new images are so LCV as you say.  The smaller growth is either people holding off uploading during the slow season, or the tougher reviews or both.

Have you looked at new uploads? Most of them suck, just like it has always been. The rejections at shutterstock lately almost seem random. I can confirm that I have had experiences similar to everyone else lately in that regard. Had an entire batch of 78 images declined for "out of focus", I resubmitted them and told them to take a second look, all 78 were accepted. This is probably the 3rd or 4th time something like this had happened.  The rejections seem to have nothing to do with quality.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: miketravels on July 02, 2014, 11:05

...
The growth rate described there is 34% in one year.  Let's assume that rate is the same today (I bet it's higher).  That means if you have a port of 5000 images, you would need to have 6700 a year from now just to maintain your share of visibility in the overall SS collection.  That's 1700 a year, or about 5 new uploads a day (assuming they ALL get accepted).

The following year you'd have to add 2238 to remain at that 34% growth rate, or about 6 new uploads accepted everyday.  Working even harder, not to grow but to just hold on to what you're making. 

I wish I did the math on this when I jumped into ms.  Probably would have talked myself out of it....
Very interesting thoughts. I had not heard of the concept that shrinking "share of visibility" is what accounts for "hitting the wall" i.e. declining revenue in spite of steadily submitting. It makes sense to me though.

One bright spot though is that the 34% increase in SS images is exponential growth, and so it cannot be maintained indefinitely: Soon SS will reach 100 million images and so need 34 million per year to maintain 34% growth. Then SS will soon reach 1 billion images and need 340 million per year to maintain 34% growth. And so on.

Eventually SS would need trillions of new images per year to maintain growth. Unlikely, even if reviewers start accepting all LCV iPhone images with trademarks and logos in them. :)

So the rate of growth will have to begin to diminish someday, but when?

I think its scarier to think about number of images being added as opposed to % of port growth.

Ie even if the port growth is only 5%, if that 5% is equal to 1 million images a week, thats a scary number of images to compete against (unless your content is very unique).

 



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Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 02, 2014, 14:12
The dreaded wall, a good way to put it and your analysis is quite fair.

But I loved the BME and WME part because it's so funny to watch the climb, the engine starts sputtering, then it stalls, and finally the microstock airplane hits the wall.  :) Flat Sales.

Yes, there are good months and bad and the slow time right now (for most), will bring out an accented disappointment from many.

People before you have come up with plans and yours was a good solid one, working at a steady pace, and growing with the market and concepts. Sorry to hear that it also finally succumbed to the dreaded wall of competition and massive volumes in collections.

I suppose you remember when people said, "this can't go on forever, the slice of the pie keeps getting smaller for each of us." And it does...

This isn't just sales on Shutter as the Subject, but sales everywhere. Most are worse. I'm still sailing fairly level and constant, rising and falling on the waves... but at some point, I know it will go flat calm.

Best Month Ever = newbie response
Worst Month Ever = veteran response

I've finally come to accept that it's virtually impossible for an ms vet to get past the dreaded wall, and here's why...

(much edited out, sorry)

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Cesar on July 04, 2014, 14:18
today i have 60% sales slump, worse then saturdays.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on July 04, 2014, 14:25
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on July 04, 2014, 14:36
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

Wait a minute I am working today! - albeit Stock photos - and I live in Seattle Washington.
I am trying my best to get my "Independence" from my daytime boss... 8)

 
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: dpimborough on July 04, 2014, 14:39
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PixelBytes on July 04, 2014, 15:16
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D

But it is enough of our customers to explain a sudden sales drop.  From the map at SS about half my sales are from U.S.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on July 04, 2014, 15:40
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D

It's half the world in terms of microstock sales. More than half for me, in fact.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: robhainer on July 04, 2014, 15:57
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D

It's half the world in terms of microstock sales. More than half for me, in fact.

Yep. Same here. The U.S. is the largest stock photo market. More sales than in all of Europe and Asia combined.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on July 04, 2014, 16:00
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

Wait a minute I am working today! - albeit Stock photos - and I live in Seattle Washington.
I am trying my best to get my "Independence" from my daytime boss... 8)

Me too...working on illustrations. Ad agencies are closed.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on July 04, 2014, 17:59
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D

But it is enough of our customers to explain a sudden sales drop.  From the map at SS about half my sales are from U.S.

You can get an exact percentage of US vs non US by going to your "payment history".  A lot of people see roughly 20% US sales so no, one country having 1 public holiday really isn't or shouldn't have a huge effect!
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Nikovsk on July 04, 2014, 18:15
USA holiday + friday + 2 world cup games = low sales
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: PixelBytes on July 04, 2014, 21:01
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D

But it is enough of our customers to explain a sudden sales drop.  From the map at SS about half my sales are from U.S.

You can get an exact percentage of US vs non US by going to your "payment history".  A lot of people see roughly 20% US sales so no, one country having 1 public holiday really isn't or shouldn't have a huge effect!

I don't know who these lot of people are that only have 20% US sales.  Maybe niche artists.  Mostly everyone I know and that posts seems to get 40 to 50% or more sales from US.  If you are not getting that market you are missing out on some good money.  Just not today.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: pkphotos on July 04, 2014, 21:21
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D

It's half the world in terms of microstock sales. More than half for me, in fact.

Yep. Same here. The U.S. is the largest stock photo market. More sales than in all of Europe and Asia combined.

Approx 75% of my sales are not from the US. It's a huge market but the are 196 countries on this planet and many of them buy photos/footage from SS
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: pancaketom on July 05, 2014, 00:23
SS might have a location based search result - so if you are in the US your images will be shown to more US buyers and you get more US sales - or the reverse if you are somewhere else.

I am in the US, last month I had 52% US sales, the month before 25% (the few big SODs must have been non US). Usually it is between 30-60% US. I think I got one additional sale since 9 am this morning (west coast), so mostly not US sales today.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 05, 2014, 01:01
Looking at my payment history from Jan 2013 to the end of May 2014, my sales are 46% US (I'm based in the US). Friday is already the weekend in Asia and Australia, so it's often less good than other weekdays. Lots of people in the US take off for a few extra days around the Independence Day holiday, so it doesn't surprise me to see it a little slower than usual.

But when you consider the number of countries in that 54% of my sales, I would guess none of them approach the US in terms of size of stock sales (again, for me; other people's content will sell differently). So when the US is on holiday, my sales show a noticeable drop.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: JodieJohnson on July 05, 2014, 03:21
Most of my SS sales happen overnight while I'm asleep because I'm in Australia. When I checked this morning I was really surprised (disappointed) to see no overnight sales! Until I read about the US holiday. I think that, combined with it being Saturday in oz/Asia explains low sales today. But apart from that, June was my BME and this month looking good too  :D
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: dpimborough on July 05, 2014, 04:54
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D

It's half the world in terms of microstock sales. More than half for me, in fact.

and less than 15% for me :D a of lot it depends on the subject matter

Europe and Asia make up more sales for me ;D

And Friday was a really good day for me  :-*
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on July 05, 2014, 06:00

Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I don't know who these lot of people are that only have 20% US sales.  Maybe niche artists.  Mostly everyone I know and that posts seems to get 40 to 50% or more sales from US.  If you are not getting that market you are missing out on some good money.  Just not today.

Depends a lot on subject matter but also seems to depend somewhat on the geographical location of the submitter.  You can trigger different search results by checking from different places.  It's quite possible the algorithm has some sort of geographic weighting build into it.  Most people i know get between 20 and 25% US sales.  They *all* are in Europe.  The (admittedly fewer) people i do know that get significantly higher are registered and IN the Americas region.  And these are generic subjects not specific to certain areas and so on.

It's a theory that's easily testable if a few people from different registered locations want though.  Just needs people to run the same search on a cookie cleared browser at the same time and compare screen shots of popular and relevant.   Ideally contributor AND buyers to see if there is location bias on one or other side.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: ShadySue on July 05, 2014, 06:06
It's a theory that's easily testable if a few people from different registered locations want though.  Just needs people to run the same search on a cookie cleared browser at the same time and compare screen shots of popular and relevant.   Ideally contributor AND buyers to see if there is location bias on one or other side.
If you cleared cookies, would the site know if you were a contributor/buyer/neither?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on July 05, 2014, 06:21
Independence Day in the U.S...nobody's working.

I hate to break it to you but Umerika is not the entire world  ;D

It's half the world in terms of microstock sales. More than half for me, in fact.

and less than 15% for me :D a of lot it depends on the subject matter

Europe and Asia make up more sales for me ;D

And Friday was a really good day for me  :-*

All I was trying to do was be helpful and offer a reason why sales dropped so much for many people. Take your snark elsewhere.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on July 05, 2014, 07:10
It's a theory that's easily testable if a few people from different registered locations want though.  Just needs people to run the same search on a cookie cleared browser at the same time and compare screen shots of popular and relevant.   Ideally contributor AND buyers to see if there is location bias on one or other side.
If you cleared cookies, would the site know if you were a contributor/buyer/neither?

Ideally you reset each time and try a test search as a non logged in user from different locations at the same time.  Then clear those cookies and log in, try the same etc.  In other words, clear them before each batch of tests (non logged in, logged in etc)

You'd need to clear at the end as cookies will store a search history or similar in some cases.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: hairybiker777 on July 05, 2014, 07:57
Getting a little better each month for me at SS, but IS and BS have both pretty much ground to a halt.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Beppe Grillo on July 05, 2014, 15:42
SS might have a location based search result - so if you are in the US your images will be shown to more US buyers and you get more US sales - or the reverse if you are somewhere else.

I am in the US, last month I had 52% US sales, the month before 25% (the few big SODs must have been non US). Usually it is between 30-60% US. I think I got one additional sale since 9 am this morning (west coast), so mostly not US sales today.

How do you know if an image has been sold in the US of not?
Is there some way to know it, or only with the map?
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 05, 2014, 16:16
SS might have a location based search result - so if you are in the US your images will be shown to more US buyers and you get more US sales - or the reverse if you are somewhere else.

I am in the US, last month I had 52% US sales, the month before 25% (the few big SODs must have been non US). Usually it is between 30-60% US. I think I got one additional sale since 9 am this morning (west coast), so mostly not US sales today.

How do you know if an image has been sold in the US of not?
Is there some way to know it, or only with the map?

For an individual image, only via the map, but if you look at your payment history, you can see for each month how much you were paid total, US and non-US
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 05, 2014, 21:27
Yes and also it's Summer in half the world, people take vacations. World Cup is being played, Wimbledon finals, people are skipping out of work. Should be a lousy weekend for a number of reasons. 4th of July is just one more big one.

And for the US, sorry haters, but if your customers aren't working, your designers aren't working. We may all have a global market and economy now, but there's still a major portion in North America, USA and Canada.


USA holiday + friday + 2 world cup games = low sales
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Beppe Grillo on July 06, 2014, 03:37
SS might have a location based search result - so if you are in the US your images will be shown to more US buyers and you get more US sales - or the reverse if you are somewhere else.

I am in the US, last month I had 52% US sales, the month before 25% (the few big SODs must have been non US). Usually it is between 30-60% US. I think I got one additional sale since 9 am this morning (west coast), so mostly not US sales today.

How do you know if an image has been sold in the US of not?
Is there some way to know it, or only with the map?

For an individual image, only via the map, but if you look at your payment history, you can see for each month how much you were paid total, US and non-US

Thank you Jo Ann!

You know, I have never (never) clicked on this menu before!  :-[
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on July 06, 2014, 06:18
I'm still amused how people seem to think a football match or small event is directly attributable to a days lack of sales.  Really, it's one game, it lasts 90-120 minutes.  Due to the times most of the world its outside working hours and generally, employers don't give people time off to watch sport on TV anyway!
Same for tennis.
Even if someone did sneak off to watch a game they'd do the work before/after the event - work still has to be done.

The vast majority of people worldwide aren't interested enough to stop working and/or can't stop working for a small, short lived sporting match.

As for July 4th (worship the french day, or should be!).  US sales making up 20% or so of profiles for lots of people so you'd expect a drop similar to that on that day (or whatever your share is if its higher) but that's it.  Obviously longer lasting public holidays such as christmas will have a much bigger effect as large chunks of the world all celebrate those which explains the usual dead 2 weeks around xmas time.

Look at the poll results for here, you can see a year behind and funnily enough, all agencies show exactly the same pattern and curve on the graph for these months.  In short,it drops in June, is worse in July into August then recovers into September.  It's a predictable trend in this period and nothing to do with a one off sporting event and so on.  People are on holiday, the schools are on holiday and generally there ARE fewer people doing work as its when most people tend to have annual leave in the northern hemisphere at least.

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Shelma1 on July 06, 2014, 06:45
People were discussing Friday specifically.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Beppe Grillo on July 06, 2014, 06:55
I'm still amused how people seem to think a football match or small event is directly attributable to a days lack of sales.  Really, it's one game, it lasts 90-120 minutes.  Due to the times most of the world its outside working hours and generally, employers don't give people time off to watch sport on TV anyway!
[…]

Not sure that you know so much about the football (soccer) culture in some countries…
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on July 06, 2014, 07:16
Not sure that you know so much about the football (soccer) culture in some countries…

Plenty.  I live in one and have lived in several others.  You're still expected to attend wor and do work.  A game lasts 2 hours at most in a day and kick off times for large parts of the world are outside working hours.  There simply is no correlation with a one off event like that at all. 
People are over complicating this, look at the poll results for last year and look at your own personal stats for years before that.  It's an annual downward trend into the northern hemisphere summer months.  Nothing special or unusual about it.

SS is down more relative to others but can't blame that on sport or even july 4th so thats a separate problem but the historical data here and elsewhere shows a clear downward quiet trend for this 2-3 month period every single year.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Beppe Grillo on July 06, 2014, 08:25
Not sure that you know so much about the football (soccer) culture in some countries…

Plenty.  I live in one and have lived in several others.  You're still expected to attend wor and do work.  A game lasts 2 hours at most in a day and kick off times for large parts of the world are outside working hours.  There simply is no correlation with a one off event like that at all. 
People are over complicating this, look at the poll results for last year and look at your own personal stats for years before that.  It's an annual downward trend into the northern hemisphere summer months.  Nothing special or unusual about it.

SS is down more relative to others but can't blame that on sport or even july 4th so thats a separate problem but the historical data here and elsewhere shows a clear downward quiet trend for this 2-3 month period every single year.

Probably you are right when you say that there is not a direct correlation between sales and some sport events.

But I disagree, by personal experience in different countries with completely different cultures (latin and slavic), about the fact that employers don't let you free time to assist to very important sport events, in particular football (in some countries it is like a religion, even more).
But probably we have had different experiences, or we don't live on the same planet ;)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gnirtS on July 06, 2014, 10:24
Even if people still didn't do anything due to some football game, the match is over in 2 hours or so and in europe where the sport is more popular it's already after the working day finish.
There's no correlation anywhere in stats.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: bpepz on July 06, 2014, 10:39
Don't know how this happend, but 95% of my sales are from outside the US even though I am in the US, and have no photos relating to anything outside the US.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: mike ledray on July 06, 2014, 12:27
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Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: dpimborough on July 07, 2014, 04:25
Life is Grand!
Sales are Great!
Shutterstock is Awesome!
Need I say more?

A Mad Scientist attempts to make his own Two Headed Zombies by attaching an extra head to his Un-Dead Patient. Colorized Evil Dark Humor Images for all your needs.

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202379398/stock-photo-a-mad-scientist-attempts-to-make-his-own-two-headed-zombies-by-attaching-an-extra-head-to-his-un.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-77[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202379398/stock-photo-a-mad-scientist-attempts-to-make-his-own-two-headed-zombies-by-attaching-an-extra-head-to-his-un.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-77[/url])

A friendly male Doctor, Surgeon or Health Care Professional. The Perfect image for all your Middle Aged Professional Doctor Images

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Love the Pig Doctor  ;D

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-29524723/stock-photo-a-doctor-in-a-pig-mask-holds-a-large-cooking-thermometer-representing-the-mexican-swine-flu-pandemic.html?src=pp-photo-202379398-2 (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-29524723/stock-photo-a-doctor-in-a-pig-mask-holds-a-large-cooking-thermometer-representing-the-mexican-swine-flu-pandemic.html?src=pp-photo-202379398-2)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: ShadySue on July 07, 2014, 04:33
Don't encourage him.  :-\
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: mike ledray on July 07, 2014, 08:39
Life is Grand!
Sales are Great!
Shutterstock is Awesome!
Need I say more?

A Mad Scientist attempts to make his own Two Headed Zombies by attaching an extra head to his Un-Dead Patient. Colorized Evil Dark Humor Images for all your needs.

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202379398/stock-photo-a-mad-scientist-attempts-to-make-his-own-two-headed-zombies-by-attaching-an-extra-head-to-his-un.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-77[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202379398/stock-photo-a-mad-scientist-attempts-to-make-his-own-two-headed-zombies-by-attaching-an-extra-head-to-his-un.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-77[/url])

A friendly male Doctor, Surgeon or Health Care Professional. The Perfect image for all your Middle Aged Professional Doctor Images

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202362511/stock-photo-a-friendly-male-doctor-surgeon-or-health-care-professional-the-perfect-image-for-all-your-middle.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-82[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202362511/stock-photo-a-friendly-male-doctor-surgeon-or-health-care-professional-the-perfect-image-for-all-your-middle.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-82[/url])


Love the Pig Doctor  ;D

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-29524723/stock-photo-a-doctor-in-a-pig-mask-holds-a-large-cooking-thermometer-representing-the-mexican-swine-flu-pandemic.html?src=pp-photo-202379398-2[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-29524723/stock-photo-a-doctor-in-a-pig-mask-holds-a-large-cooking-thermometer-representing-the-mexican-swine-flu-pandemic.html?src=pp-photo-202379398-2[/url])


Thanks
:)

dont worry about shady sue
she is just jealous

:)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: EmberMike on July 07, 2014, 09:00
I'm still amused how people seem to think a football match or small event is directly attributable to a days lack of sales...

Nothing would surprise me anymore when it comes to what people will attribute a sales dip to. It's only a matter of time before a theory about moon phases or astrological alignments affecting sales gets popular around here.

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Me on July 07, 2014, 09:58
I think sales are affected by moon phases or astrological alignments, seems pretty obvious to me

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: mike ledray on July 07, 2014, 10:46
I LOVE how when there is a High Tide MY SALES GO UP .... WAY UP!

Oh Yaaaaaaa!

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202409164/stock-photo-sebastian-the-well-traveled-skeleton-wears-his-sombrero-and-suns-himself-on-rocks-in-joshua-tree.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-74 (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202409164/stock-photo-sebastian-the-well-traveled-skeleton-wears-his-sombrero-and-suns-himself-on-rocks-in-joshua-tree.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-74)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: dpimborough on July 09, 2014, 05:44
I LOVE how when there is a High Tide MY SALES GO UP .... WAY UP!

Oh Yaaaaaaa!

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202409164/stock-photo-sebastian-the-well-traveled-skeleton-wears-his-sombrero-and-suns-himself-on-rocks-in-joshua-tree.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-74[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202409164/stock-photo-sebastian-the-well-traveled-skeleton-wears-his-sombrero-and-suns-himself-on-rocks-in-joshua-tree.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-74[/url])


Excellent news!!!! You are a brilliant photographer and a man of excellent taste :D

Truly a god amongst mortals  8)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Mantis on July 09, 2014, 07:24
I LOVE how when there is a High Tide MY SALES GO UP .... WAY UP!

Oh Yaaaaaaa!

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202409164/stock-photo-sebastian-the-well-traveled-skeleton-wears-his-sombrero-and-suns-himself-on-rocks-in-joshua-tree.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-74[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202409164/stock-photo-sebastian-the-well-traveled-skeleton-wears-his-sombrero-and-suns-himself-on-rocks-in-joshua-tree.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-74[/url])


Excellent news!!!! You are a brilliant photographer and a man of excellent taste :D

Truly a god amongst mortals  8)



Hehehehe
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: mike ledray on July 09, 2014, 10:23
I LOVE how when there is a High Tide MY SALES GO UP .... WAY UP!

Oh Yaaaaaaa!

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202409164/stock-photo-sebastian-the-well-traveled-skeleton-wears-his-sombrero-and-suns-himself-on-rocks-in-joshua-tree.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-74[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-202409164/stock-photo-sebastian-the-well-traveled-skeleton-wears-his-sombrero-and-suns-himself-on-rocks-in-joshua-tree.html?src=xViyhf9YHXvn8bT1X9xTCg-1-74[/url])


Excellent news!!!! You are a brilliant photographer and a man of excellent taste :D

Truly a god amongst mortals  8)


Thank You

Jolie the Bichon Fries agrees with you too.

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/426/203690005/stock-photo-a-beautiful-pure-breed-bichon-frise-enjoys-an-warm-spring-afternoon-in-the-sun-while-out-for-a-walk-203690005.jpg (http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/426/203690005/stock-photo-a-beautiful-pure-breed-bichon-frise-enjoys-an-warm-spring-afternoon-in-the-sun-while-out-for-a-walk-203690005.jpg)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: JPSDK on July 09, 2014, 13:41
Its about time to bring in the communists and hear their suggestions.
"that we distribute wealth so that it the broadest shoulders that carry the heaviest burdens".
That means, Mike, that  I want half of the poodle, and you can have a wing of a swallowtail.

If negotiations become difficult.... and they might.
We can just go on raving, plundering and pillaging....

its in the genes.



Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on July 09, 2014, 14:04
What was this topic about?  ???

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Mantis on July 09, 2014, 14:25
What was this topic about?  ???

The price of tea in china me thinks :P
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: gbalex on July 09, 2014, 14:52
What was this topic about?  ???


Mike Mike & Mike

&

Exploits Of The Nerd Mafia - Microstock a modern variant of “Mass Amateurization”

A collective recap of personal economic and business experiences derived while contributing to the continued success of "Venture Capitol Robber Barons", who utilize various exploitative practices to amass wealth via Crowdsourcing.

19th-century robber barons would certainly be envious if they were still alive! http://tinyurl.com/mubpw4m (http://tinyurl.com/mubpw4m)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Goofy on July 09, 2014, 15:14
What was this topic about?  ???


Mike Mike & Mike

&

Exploits Of The Nerd Mafia - Microstock a modern variant of “Mass Amateurization”

A collective recap of personal economic and business experiences derived while contributing to the continued success of "Venture Capitol Robber Barons", who utilize various exploitative practices to amass wealth via Crowdsourcing.

19th-century robber barons would certainly be envious if they were still alive! [url]http://tinyurl.com/mubpw4m[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/mubpw4m[/url])



Finding Nemo- mike, mike, mike

Okay, I get the topic now thanks  8)

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: mike ledray on July 09, 2014, 15:31
Its about time to bring in the communists and hear their suggestions.
"that we distribute wealth so that it the broadest shoulders that carry the heaviest burdens".
That means, Mike, that  I want half of the poodle, and you can have a wing of a swallowtail.

If negotiations become difficult.... and they might.
We can just go on raving, plundering and pillaging....

its in the genes.


RAPE PILLAGE AND PLUNDER I SAY!
No better way to start a PARTY!!!!!!
Oh yaaaaaaaaaaaaa

And No you can not have 1/2 of Jolie, I want all of her and her soft fuzzy fur
I can do the second best thing and Mail you a sample of her Luxurious fur from next time she goes to the Doggy Day Spa for her Spa Treatment.
I think I have your address still but if you e mail me and send it again Ill send some right out!

:)
Always one to help out an old friend

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-201838201/stock-photo-a-friendly-veterinarian-holds-a-pure-breed-bichon-frise-dog-as-he-checks-her-heart-and-lungs-with.html?src=_t1pRN-_KIG9QJneEo_D9Q-3-37 (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-201838201/stock-photo-a-friendly-veterinarian-holds-a-pure-breed-bichon-frise-dog-as-he-checks-her-heart-and-lungs-with.html?src=_t1pRN-_KIG9QJneEo_D9Q-3-37)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: mike ledray on July 09, 2014, 15:33
What was this topic about?  ???


Mike Mike & Mike

&

Exploits Of The Nerd Mafia - Microstock a modern variant of “Mass Amateurization”

A collective recap of personal economic and business experiences derived while contributing to the continued success of "Venture Capitol Robber Barons", who utilize various exploitative practices to amass wealth via Crowdsourcing.

19th-century robber barons would certainly be envious if they were still alive! [url]http://tinyurl.com/mubpw4m[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/mubpw4m[/url])


Nerd Mafia?

LOL!!

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-201860683/stock-photo-a-well-dress-man-pulls-his-pocket-pistol-from-his-vest-pocket-when-he-faces-danger-as-a-cia-mole-or.html?src=_t1pRN-_KIG9QJneEo_D9Q-3-0 (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-201860683/stock-photo-a-well-dress-man-pulls-his-pocket-pistol-from-his-vest-pocket-when-he-faces-danger-as-a-cia-mole-or.html?src=_t1pRN-_KIG9QJneEo_D9Q-3-0)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: dpimborough on July 09, 2014, 17:05
What was this topic about?  ???


Mike Mike & Mike

&

Exploits Of The Nerd Mafia - Microstock a modern variant of “Mass Amateurization”

A collective recap of personal economic and business experiences derived while contributing to the continued success of "Venture Capitol Robber Barons", who utilize various exploitative practices to amass wealth via Crowdsourcing.

19th-century robber barons would certainly be envious if they were still alive! [url]http://tinyurl.com/mubpw4m[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/mubpw4m[/url])


Nerd Mafia?

LOL!!

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-201860683/stock-photo-a-well-dress-man-pulls-his-pocket-pistol-from-his-vest-pocket-when-he-faces-danger-as-a-cia-mole-or.html?src=_t1pRN-_KIG9QJneEo_D9Q-3-0[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-201860683/stock-photo-a-well-dress-man-pulls-his-pocket-pistol-from-his-vest-pocket-when-he-faces-danger-as-a-cia-mole-or.html?src=_t1pRN-_KIG9QJneEo_D9Q-3-0[/url])


Well a lot more cheerful than navel gazing about sales :D

Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: MxR on July 09, 2014, 18:09
mike you're better than drugs!

I love the description of your photos!
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: mike ledray on July 09, 2014, 23:12
mike you're better than drugs!

I love the description of your photos!

Thank You

Got a Favorite?
Feel free to post it here with my permission

:)
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Valo on July 10, 2014, 02:52
mike you're better than drugs!

I love the description of your photos!
I find it a little bit the same as keyword spamming as descriptions are indexed for the search on Shutterstock.
Title: Re: Sales on Shutter
Post by: Cesar on July 10, 2014, 03:31
i have now 10-15% lower sales this week then in june

just for info.