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« Reply #100 on: July 01, 2013, 16:17 »
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I won't be complaining about it in a forum, while in another browser window I'm simultaneously uploading my next batch to the hated behemoth and saying my prayers for 100% acceptance.

I have stopped uploading to SS and all other agencies. But not because of what is being discussed here.

So in your example WalMart goes shopping for coca cola elsewhere if the price coca cola sets is too high. lol

This is not about coca cola, your example was flawed. Thats all.

So you've decided that microstock isn't worth your time and have stopped uploading.  But getting into debates in a forum focused on the activity you have sworn off is a good use of your time?  You can bet Jon Oringer didn't get where he is with that kind of work ethic.


« Reply #101 on: July 01, 2013, 16:18 »
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Coca-Cola is a unique brand. There is only one supplier of Coke concentrate in the market and that Coca-Cola so it would make sense that the company is able to dictate terms. If there were 20,000 other manufacturers of near identical products Coca-Cola would be in a much weaker position.

In microstock, Yuri seems able to dictate terms to some degree but hardly anyone else can. That's because he made himself a brand and established a leading position on the supply side.

On the other hand, there are only a couple of agencies who control almost the entire sales side, therefore they are able to dictate terms to the thousands of suppliers because we are largely interchangable.

Stockmarketeer said more or less the same while I was typing...

Tror - we can stop supplying them at any time we like and it will not make an iota of difference - as someone pointed out, Yuri quit SS and the share price has gone up.

Ron

« Reply #102 on: July 01, 2013, 16:21 »
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That link to wiki proves nothing. Clutching at straws.

Here listen to this. Maybe it calms you down http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9135BDEFC471E083


From USATODAY...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2003-01-28-walmartnation_x.htm

"History has shown that suppliers suffer if they run afoul of Wal-Mart. Rubbermaid raised the prices it charged Wal-Mart in the mid-1990s because of an 80% jump in the cost of a key ingredient in its plastic containers. The retailer responded by giving more shelf space to lower-priced competitors, helping drive Rubbermaid into a 1999 merger with rival Newell, says John Mariotti, a former Rubbermaid executive. "Rubbermaid earned Wal-Mart's wrath by not giving it the best deal," he says."
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=coca+cola+pricing+strategy

Ron

« Reply #103 on: July 01, 2013, 16:23 »
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I won't be complaining about it in a forum, while in another browser window I'm simultaneously uploading my next batch to the hated behemoth and saying my prayers for 100% acceptance.

I have stopped uploading to SS and all other agencies. But not because of what is being discussed here.

So in your example WalMart goes shopping for coca cola elsewhere if the price coca cola sets is too high. lol

This is not about coca cola, your example was flawed. Thats all.

So you've decided that microstock isn't worth your time and have stopped uploading.  But getting into debates in a forum focused on the activity you have sworn off is a good use of your time?  You can bet Jon Oringer didn't get where he is with that kind of work ethic.
No I havent, I am not going to spill out my life to you. Its in the June earnings thread. You are drawing conclusions based on nothing.

« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2013, 16:23 »
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I won't be complaining about it in a forum, while in another browser window I'm simultaneously uploading my next batch to the hated behemoth and saying my prayers for 100% acceptance.

I have stopped uploading to SS and all other agencies. But not because of what is being discussed here.

So in your example WalMart goes shopping for coca cola elsewhere if the price coca cola sets is too high. lol

This is not about coca cola, your example was flawed. Thats all.

So you've decided that microstock isn't worth your time and have stopped uploading.  But getting into debates in a forum focused on the activity you have sworn off is a good use of your time?  You can bet Jon Oringer didn't get where he is with that kind of work ethic.

Bingo! 

« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2013, 16:25 »
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If you try to order Coke at a Taco Bell, KFC or many other chain restaurants, you won't get it.  You'll get Pepsi.  Those two companies are fiercely competitive in locking in deals with restaurants, movie theatres, etc... and you can bet the beverage company that offers the best deal gets the contract.

But you're right, every store want to sell Coke.  They have to carry it.  But Coke wants the end caps and premium shelf space.  If Pepsi offers WalMart a better deal, guess who gets the endcaps, freezers at the checkout lanes, etc... and guess who moves more product? 

Coke still has to be prepared to deal with its customers and can't dictate its pricing, because it knows Pepsi is in the hall waiting to offer a better deal.

Read up on Rubbermaid, what happened when it stood up against WalMart.  I'm not saying one side is right or wrong.  Just pointing out the reality of business.

Tror

« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2013, 16:25 »
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Tror - we can stop supplying them at any time we like and it will not make an iota of difference - as someone pointed out, Yuri quit SS and the share price has gone up.

True, but I think I didn`t express myself clear here. I was referring on not creating monocultures, but not to stop supplying the sites. Just feed all the competition and not let one come too much on top of the others to prevent a monopoly.

« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2013, 16:27 »
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Tror - we can stop supplying them at any time we like and it will not make an iota of difference - as someone pointed out, Yuri quit SS and the share price has gone up.

True, but I think I didn`t express myself clear here. I was referring on not creating monocultures, but not to stop supplying the sites. Just feed all the competition and not let one come too much on top of the others.

We have no control over who comes out on top. That depends on their marketing skills and also their history.

Ron

« Reply #108 on: July 01, 2013, 16:29 »
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I won't be complaining about it in a forum, while in another browser window I'm simultaneously uploading my next batch to the hated behemoth and saying my prayers for 100% acceptance.

I have stopped uploading to SS and all other agencies. But not because of what is being discussed here.

So in your example WalMart goes shopping for coca cola elsewhere if the price coca cola sets is too high. lol

This is not about coca cola, your example was flawed. Thats all.

So you've decided that microstock isn't worth your time and have stopped uploading.  But getting into debates in a forum focused on the activity you have sworn off is a good use of your time?  You can bet Jon Oringer didn't get where he is with that kind of work ethic.

Bingo!
Bingo? I am setting up my own stock site, thats the reason.  I am doing something about it. I am getting off my arse and try and change something for the better.

Tror

« Reply #109 on: July 01, 2013, 16:37 »
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Tror - we can stop supplying them at any time we like and it will not make an iota of difference - as someone pointed out, Yuri quit SS and the share price has gone up.

True, but I think I didn`t express myself clear here. I was referring on not creating monocultures, but not to stop supplying the sites. Just feed all the competition and not let one come too much on top of the others.


We have no control over who comes out on top. That depends on their marketing skills and also their history.

I agree again, but we can do our part and supply the competition as well. Everybody has its role in the game :-)

« Reply #110 on: July 01, 2013, 18:51 »
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I won't be complaining about it in a forum, while in another browser window I'm simultaneously uploading my next batch to the hated behemoth and saying my prayers for 100% acceptance.

I have stopped uploading to SS and all other agencies. But not because of what is being discussed here.

So in your example WalMart goes shopping for coca cola elsewhere if the price coca cola sets is too high. lol

This is not about coca cola, your example was flawed. Thats all.

So you've decided that microstock isn't worth your time and have stopped uploading.  But getting into debates in a forum focused on the activity you have sworn off is a good use of your time?  You can bet Jon Oringer didn't get where he is with that kind of work ethic.

Bingo!
Bingo? I am setting up my own stock site, thats the reason.  I am doing something about it. I am getting off my arse and try and change something for the better.

Congrats, You should! I've been running my own site for 7 very profitable years. It is well worth the time.

« Reply #111 on: July 01, 2013, 18:52 »
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That link to wiki proves nothing. Clutching at straws.

Here listen to this. Maybe it calms you down http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9135BDEFC471E083


From USATODAY...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2003-01-28-walmartnation_x.htm

"History has shown that suppliers suffer if they run afoul of Wal-Mart. Rubbermaid raised the prices it charged Wal-Mart in the mid-1990s because of an 80% jump in the cost of a key ingredient in its plastic containers. The retailer responded by giving more shelf space to lower-priced competitors, helping drive Rubbermaid into a 1999 merger with rival Newell, says John Mariotti, a former Rubbermaid executive. "Rubbermaid earned Wal-Mart's wrath by not giving it the best deal," he says."


Now that is an exploitative company to admire.

« Reply #112 on: July 01, 2013, 19:25 »
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That is completely flawed. We are suppliers as well as manufactures. A manufacturer sets the price. What you two are saying is Coca Cola sell their product to Wall Mart and Wall Mart dictates the price Coca Cola can sell it to them for.

Actually, my brother had a product that he was selling at many stores. When he contacted Walmart, they told him that they would only pay $X for the product, which was much less than other stores were paying. So yes, Walmart dictates the price.

« Reply #113 on: July 01, 2013, 20:40 »
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That is completely flawed. We are suppliers as well as manufactures. A manufacturer sets the price. What you two are saying is Coca Cola sell their product to Wall Mart and Wall Mart dictates the price Coca Cola can sell it to them for.

Actually, my brother had a product that he was selling at many stores. When he contacted Walmart, they told him that they would only pay $X for the product, which was much less than other stores were paying. So yes, Walmart dictates the price.
Well, they state what they'll pay.  If the supplier says 'no', then Walmart hasn't dictated a price - only tried to.

I can walk into a car dealership and 'dictate' a price.  I might or might not leave with a car.



« Last Edit: July 01, 2013, 21:08 by stockastic »

Uncle Pete

« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2013, 21:32 »
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Absolute fact elvinstar. I know some sales people and a company Rep. went into Walmart and said, we're increasing the prices, and the buyer said, "you don't tell us, we tell you... and we no longer carry your product." They were removed fromthe shelves.

Don't believe it's only Walmart the evil empire, Sears did this for years. They would buy and buy, private label, until a company was dependent on those sales. Then Sears would say they needed a lower price and lower price. The choice was make less and be dominated by Sears or go out of business.

Ace and Tru-Value, negotiate lower prices with buying power. Some of the larger farm supply places do the same. Part of that power is "do you want to be in our stores or not" Many of these place do get special prices on Coca-Cola products, so it's a legitimate example. Coke only dictates prices to smaller buyers.

McMaster-Carr and Grainger (industrial) get special prices, for everything. In more than one case they have sold products for less than authorized distributors pay for the same. That's competition.

If anyone here had a collection of 20,000 images (for example) and they were desirable images, I'm sure there would be room for a contract with an agency. Even an exclusive, that wasn't exclusive, for older images, which have already been licensed all over anyway. But maybe for everything new?


That is completely flawed. We are suppliers as well as manufactures. A manufacturer sets the price. What you two are saying is Coca Cola sell their product to Wall Mart and Wall Mart dictates the price Coca Cola can sell it to them for.

Actually, my brother had a product that he was selling at many stores. When he contacted Walmart, they told him that they would only pay $X for the product, which was much less than other stores were paying. So yes, Walmart dictates the price.

Thanks for the laugh Stockmarketer:


I have stopped uploading to SS and all other agencies. But not because of what is being discussed here.


So you've decided that microstock isn't worth your time and have stopped uploading.  But getting into debates in a forum focused on the activity you have sworn off is a good use of your time?

Here's my answer for the people who think it's all about the stock holders of SS. BUY STOCK IN THE COMPANY!
« Last Edit: July 01, 2013, 21:37 by Uncle Pete »

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« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2013, 21:54 »
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« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2013, 22:45 »
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If you try to order Coke at a Taco Bell, KFC or many other chain restaurants, you won't get it.  You'll get Pepsi.  Those two companies are fiercely competitive in locking in deals with restaurants, movie theatres, etc... and you can bet the beverage company that offers the best deal gets the contract.

But you're right, every store want to sell Coke.  They have to carry it.  But Coke wants the end caps and premium shelf space.  If Pepsi offers WalMart a better deal, guess who gets the endcaps, freezers at the checkout lanes, etc... and guess who moves more product? 

Coke still has to be prepared to deal with its customers and can't dictate its pricing, because it knows Pepsi is in the hall waiting to offer a better deal.

Read up on Rubbermaid, what happened when it stood up against WalMart.  I'm not saying one side is right or wrong. Just pointing out the reality of business.

Im pretty much sure  that you are pointing your perception of the reality of business 

Im sure u know u are right, you researched  every number of that reality that u live in , you are smart, you understand your reality...so Im sure you make perfect sense there.


But I for example do stand on some totally different spot , some totally different reality here writing and experiencing world.
Obviously it overlaps with partly with yours in some small amount, so we are not experiencing the matter from same perspective,and who in the world can blame us for having quite opposite opinions.


Thank God for diversity , it would be a boring place if we all were the same.





« Reply #118 on: July 02, 2013, 03:03 »
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The really curious thing is that if you try to order a meal from McD in the country where I am without having the coke  included they charge more for it than if you have the sticky muck.  So on the one or two occasions a year when I buy the rubbish these places dish out I get a coke to reduce the price and use it for toilet cleaner.


« Reply #119 on: July 02, 2013, 07:54 »
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Keep the raise Jon - just keep creating opportunities like SOD and ODD downloads and opening up new markets in the BRIC sector. I'm seeing far more DLs in Singapore, India, S Korea and Brazil than I did last year. I'd like you to crack the Chinese market though if you can fit that in between yacht parties. I'd be seriously impressed if you did that.

All the best.


« Reply #120 on: July 02, 2013, 10:47 »
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So you've decided that microstock isn't worth your time and have stopped uploading.  But getting into debates in a forum focused on the activity you have sworn off is a good use of your time?  You can bet Jon Oringer didn't get where he is with that kind of work ethic.

I can relate to this. The problem is you can leave the sites you don't like, but their decisions and terms still follow you around. So unless you entirely leave microstock, the sites still affect you and your business.

I'm not sure what Oringer complains about in his free time though. Maybe, he can't find parking for his Ferrari in the city.  ;)

« Reply #121 on: July 02, 2013, 10:56 »
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Maybe, he can't find parking for his Ferrari in the city.  ;)

he has a helicopter ;D

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« Reply #122 on: July 02, 2013, 13:22 »
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Maybe, he can't find parking for his Ferrari in the city.  ;)

he has a helicopter ;D
And even if he had a Ferrari in N.Y. City I doubt very much that there would be any problems finding somewhere to park it. :)

« Reply #123 on: July 02, 2013, 13:57 »
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And even if he had a Ferrari in N.Y. City I doubt very much that there would be any problems finding somewhere to park it. :)

You're probably right. I bet he just leaves it anywhere and just orders a new one when he gets out.  ;)

« Reply #124 on: July 02, 2013, 14:02 »
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He doesn't need a car. I'll drive him around for 35 cents a trip.



 

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