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« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2013, 12:16 »
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I have to agree...I'm taking a hit today for a Monday.


Ron

« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2013, 12:32 »
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16 sales so far today, which seems to be a normal day for me. Havent seen the site down. But on SS more people reporting issues and low sales.

« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2013, 16:30 »
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The site's working fine for me, but so far my sales are about 50 percent lower than normal for a typical Monday.  Very frustrating...

« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2013, 16:33 »
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sales seem pretty on par for me but I was having problems with the buyers end of the site earlier today

Ron

« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2013, 16:58 »
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Heading towards a BDE in downloads need 1 more to break even, 2 more for BDE and 4 more to reach my new goal for daily downloads.

Ron

« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2013, 17:58 »
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Just got 2 more downloads, ODDs, making it my BDE in DLs. I have no clue why I am getting these sales when people with ports of 2000-4000 HCV images are reporting lower sales then me.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2520968#2520968

« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2013, 18:28 »
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Just got 2 more downloads, ODDs, making it my BDE in DLs. I have no clue why I am getting these sales when people with ports of 2000-4000 HCV images are reporting lower sales then me.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2520968#2520968


Because there is something wrong and SS has not addressed it in the past or now in the present.

Count yourself lucky if problems like this have not hit you, because some of us have been struggling with these issues for a long time and SS continues to ignore the site bugs which cost us sales.  We are left to conclude that they simply do not care as long as THEY are not losing $$$$$$.

« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2013, 02:04 »
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My sales looked a bit grim yesterday until I checked this morning and saw I had sold a SOD for $105.  Even with technical problems, SS made me more yesterday than all the other sites combined :)

« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2013, 03:21 »
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A very good Monday - about average until I landed a $37.84 SOD - strange amount but I'll take it. I feel for anyone whose sales are struggling and hope they change around. As has been evident on this forum.....quite often the people reporting poor sales one month (or even week) are doing cartwheels the next and reporting BDE,BWE or BME but there seems to be a longer term decline for some.

I wouldn't expect any answers from SS on root cause whether it be bugs, algorithm strategy  or solar flares and the endless speculation is pretty pointless. Having said that,  I do suspect a shift to monetise new files uploaded in bulk by new contributors and that a bean counter somewhere has said "we need to realise revenue from more images not just the most popular" because it makes business sense and might help drive market penetration (anyone else been seeing more DL's in Asia? I have - Singapore,Indonesia,South Korea, Japan.

In any event, I have a robustly cynical approach to corporations since I sat in on a senior level sales meeting at a global IT company several years ago when the question asked was "who are we in business to serve?" - someone ventured "our customers?" - a sound conjecture since this was the basis of our entire marketing and sales blurb, but the correct answer was - "wrong, we're in business to serve our shareholders. period"




« Last Edit: June 11, 2013, 09:14 by Red Dove »

« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2013, 09:41 »
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Those of us who have been experiencing site problems over the long term are not talking about month to month or week to week changes, these problems have been going on for well over a year.

Sites do not suddenly go completely down repeatedly because of algorithm changes something is obviously wrong.
Some ports are repeatedly returning errors when customers search their ports... while the majority of you NEVER experience that unfortunate problem.
Ports do not repeatedly go completely missing and become unreachable to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not go completely missing and invisible to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not completely lose all keywords or sometimes only their most important keywords rendering them unsearchable and unavailable to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not suddenly become unsearchable in your own port because of algorithm changes.
Sales do not suddenly drop 30% to 60% overnight and stay that way for months because of algorithm changes

If you have not experienced any of the above count yourself lucky because in all likelihood the site is functioning well enough for your port to have normal sales. Some of us are not as fortunate as you are and therefor we do not have your fortuitous results.

While I agree based on its track record SS is not likely to respond honestly as to why this has been occurring to some of our ports long term. If they respected their submitters they would address the problem and give us good reasons why they have not been able to fix the problems and at least provide us with a timeline under which they expect to resolve the numerous issues some of us experience day in and day out.  I have too much invested to walk away without highlighting the problems with the expectations that SS will one day choose to honor its commitments and provide a functional site to ALL of its contributors. 




« Last Edit: June 11, 2013, 09:44 by gbalex »

Ron

« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2013, 09:53 »
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Shutterstock have already said new contributors are favored. That quote is somewhere buried on their forum. I dont think they target specific portfolios to apply bugs.

« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2013, 10:03 »
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Shutterstock have already said new contributors are favored. That quote is somewhere buried on their forum. I dont think they target specific portfolios to apply bugs.

but they target new contributors? that is just wrong, looking forward to see that quote

unless we talking about new files? the best match (also known as relevant at SS) should be a nice mix between new good stuff and most downloaded no?

PS: I wonder who got offended by my post? can't we talk now?
« Last Edit: June 11, 2013, 10:32 by luissantos84 »

« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2013, 10:09 »
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Those of us who have been experiencing site problems over the long term are not talking about month to month or week to week changes, these problems have been going on for well over a year.

Sites do not suddenly go completely down repeatedly because of algorithm changes something is obviously wrong.
Some ports are repeatedly returning errors when customers search their ports... while the majority of you NEVER experience that unfortunate problem.
Ports do not repeatedly go completely missing and become unreachable to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not go completely missing and invisible to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not completely lose all keywords or sometimes only their most important keywords rendering them unsearchable and unavailable to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not suddenly become unsearchable in your own port because of algorithm changes.
Sales do not suddenly drop 30% to 60% overnight and stay that way for months because of algorithm changes

If you have not experienced any of the above count yourself lucky because in all likelihood the site is functioning well enough for your port to have normal sales. Some of us are not as fortunate as you are and therefor we do not have your fortuitous results.

While I agree based on its track record SS is not likely to respond honestly as to why this has been occurring to some of our ports long term. If they respected their submitters they would address the problem and give us good reasons why they have not been able to fix the problems and at least provide us with a timeline under which they expect to resolve the numerous issues some of us experience day in and day out.  I have too much invested to walk away without highlighting the problems with the expectations that SS will one day choose to honor its commitments and provide a functional site to ALL of its contributors.

Can you provide some examples of these 'missing portfolios' and/or 'unsearchable and unavailable images'? When does it happen? How long does it last for? If you can provide some specific data then there's a much better chance of SS fixing the issue.

« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2013, 11:50 »
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Those of us who have been experiencing site problems over the long term are not talking about month to month or week to week changes, these problems have been going on for well over a year.

Sites do not suddenly go completely down repeatedly because of algorithm changes something is obviously wrong.
Some ports are repeatedly returning errors when customers search their ports... while the majority of you NEVER experience that unfortunate problem.
Ports do not repeatedly go completely missing and become unreachable to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not go completely missing and invisible to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not completely lose all keywords or sometimes only their most important keywords rendering them unsearchable and unavailable to buyers because of algorithm changes.
Images do not suddenly become unsearchable in your own port because of algorithm changes.
Sales do not suddenly drop 30% to 60% overnight and stay that way for months because of algorithm changes

If you have not experienced any of the above count yourself lucky because in all likelihood the site is functioning well enough for your port to have normal sales. Some of us are not as fortunate as you are and therefor we do not have your fortuitous results.

While I agree based on its track record SS is not likely to respond honestly as to why this has been occurring to some of our ports long term. If they respected their submitters they would address the problem and give us good reasons why they have not been able to fix the problems and at least provide us with a timeline under which they expect to resolve the numerous issues some of us experience day in and day out.  I have too much invested to walk away without highlighting the problems with the expectations that SS will one day choose to honor its commitments and provide a functional site to ALL of its contributors.


Can you provide some examples of these 'missing portfolios' and/or 'unsearchable and unavailable images'? When does it happen? How long does it last for? If you can provide some specific data then there's a much better chance of SS fixing the issue.


SS is well aware of the ongoing problems, we have been sending reports with documentation to support for a very long time and the glitches continue. I am sure they have a good idea of why these problems continue to crop up.  Either they can't fix them or they have decided that it is not worth their $$$$$ to do so.  I guess the fact the buyer side is now having issues and the site is going down could be a good thing because maybe they will finally be forced to allocate the resources needed to resolve these ongoing issues.

Just go to the bug thread if you actually want to see what some of us have been dealing with.  One thread is over a year old and there were threads with the same problem before it.  As you can see missing images continue to be a problem.  Most of us gave up reporting them months ago because they never do anything about it.  As you can see from the thread results vary in severity from hours missing to weeks.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=15

Ron

« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2013, 12:40 »
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Here is a quote on their testing on live portfolios

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130239&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=anthony&start=135

Quote
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:33 pm       

Hello all,

At Shutterstock, we perform regular tests of small modifications to search. Those tests are typically released to limited segments of the overall customer population. If a test wins over time which typically means that the changes have demonstrably increased the total number of customer downloads then the resulting improvements are accepted and deployed.

Search testing and analysis is a continuous process of small improvements that generally wont result in dramatic swings in search. Changes are carefully tested and evaluated to make sure that the overall effect on customer downloads and/or purchases is a positive one.

Customer demand, content differentiation, keyword quantity and quality, global holidays, seasonality and other factors can affect an individual contributor's day-to-day earnings. We recommend allowing a little time before evaluating the effect on your personal portfolio.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia
Director, Contributor Success
Shutterstock|Bigstock


And here is the quote on tweaking the new search favoring date of upload
http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/what-our-improved-search-system-means-for-contributors-part-2

Quote
Announcements
What Our Improved Search System Means for Contributors, Part 2
Posted by kayla / 6.1.12 05:08 pm

Share

Hello,

We recently announced some improvements to our search algorithm and infrastructure. We fixed a glitch that caused some images to temporarily not appear in search results. We also improved the reliability of the New sort order. We tested these improvements with customers and the results have been very positive.

Well be testing an additional improvement next week. Our New sort order will display more accurate and relevant results. In some instances, a more accurate search result will take slight precedence over upload date, but the search experience for customers will be greatly improved. As a result, it will be less likely to find irrelevant images under the New sort order, but applying accurate metadata to your images remains critical.

It is important to note that the core principles driving our algorithms are not changing. These optimizations will create an improved balance of accuracy and freshness and we want to keep you informed as we conduct testing and make updates.

Best Regards,

The Shutterstock Team


I cant find the quote on giving new portfolios a chance in the search order. It was said at some point, but I cant find it. Maybe Barry (ruxpriencdam) can find it.

« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2013, 21:49 »
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Here is a quote on their testing on live portfolios

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130239&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=anthony&start=135

Quote
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:33 pm       

Hello all,

At Shutterstock, we perform regular tests of small modifications to search. Those tests are typically released to limited segments of the overall customer population. If a test wins over time which typically means that the changes have demonstrably increased the total number of customer downloads then the resulting improvements are accepted and deployed.

Search testing and analysis is a continuous process of small improvements that generally wont result in dramatic swings in search. Changes are carefully tested and evaluated to make sure that the overall effect on customer downloads and/or purchases is a positive one.

Customer demand, content differentiation, keyword quantity and quality, global holidays, seasonality and other factors can affect an individual contributor's day-to-day earnings. We recommend allowing a little time before evaluating the effect on your personal portfolio.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia
Director, Contributor Success
Shutterstock|Bigstock


And here is the quote on tweaking the new search favoring date of upload
http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/what-our-improved-search-system-means-for-contributors-part-2

Quote
Announcements
What Our Improved Search System Means for Contributors, Part 2
Posted by kayla / 6.1.12 05:08 pm

Share

Hello,

We recently announced some improvements to our search algorithm and infrastructure. We fixed a glitch that caused some images to temporarily not appear in search results. We also improved the reliability of the New sort order. We tested these improvements with customers and the results have been very positive.

Well be testing an additional improvement next week. Our New sort order will display more accurate and relevant results. In some instances, a more accurate search result will take slight precedence over upload date, but the search experience for customers will be greatly improved. As a result, it will be less likely to find irrelevant images under the New sort order, but applying accurate metadata to your images remains critical.

It is important to note that the core principles driving our algorithms are not changing. These optimizations will create an improved balance of accuracy and freshness and we want to keep you informed as we conduct testing and make updates.

Best Regards,

The Shutterstock Team


I cant find the quote on giving new portfolios a chance in the search order. It was said at some point, but I cant find it. Maybe Barry (ruxpriencdam) can find it.



I have noticed a significant boost in the amount of downloads i have been getting since starting last week. I would say anywhere from 10-25%. So this explains why as they have tweaked the search for newer files to have a slightly better exposure. Since im fairly new on SS, all my files are new I guess. Im sorry for the older portfolios that is taking a hit from this but this is probably going to be an on going thing where they will be tweaking the search constantly.


WarrenPrice

« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2013, 21:56 »
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It seems as if all the agencies are using the same techies.  Or, plagiarizing software.
Just kidding, of course, but it is natural to suspect conspiracy.   8)

It all works itself out ... you today; me tomorrow.   ;D

 


« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2013, 05:27 »
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It seems to move in 1 week intervals. Just had the worst week ever, with just old stuff selling a bit. Second week has just started for me and its back to good sales and new stuff selling. In 5 days it will be back to low sales again. Been this way for last 2 months for me. Very predictable atually.

« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2013, 05:44 »
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I have noticed a significant boost in the amount of downloads i have been getting since starting last week. I would say anywhere from 10-25%. So this explains why as they have tweaked the search for newer files to have a slightly better exposure. Since im fairly new on SS, all my files are new I guess. Im sorry for the older portfolios that is taking a hit from this but this is probably going to be an on going thing where they will be tweaking the search constantly.

June has got off to a disappointing start at SS for me. Volume of sales is down a bit but the main problem has been the type of sales. I'm still getting plenty of subs but ODD's, EL's and SOD's are significantly down from the norm which obviously has a big impact on earnings.

I can't say that I've noticed a boost for new images either. In my experience (over 8 years) getting new images to take off has never been more difficult than it is now. Those new images that are fortunate enough to gain early sales can gain traction very quickly ... but lots of other images disappear down the Newest sort-order before they are noticed.

« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2013, 07:15 »
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I personally find new images on Shutterstock go nowhere fast. In my experience with vectors FT, DP and 123RF  my new images start getting sells faster. In fact Shutterstock makes just slightly more then most of my sites. I'm always so shocked their ranking is so high. I often wonder if the results for vectors and photos would be much different. Maybe the Earnings Rating chart should have  photos and vectors split. I think the vector chart would see a very different result.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2013, 07:27 by MisterElements »

Ron

« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2013, 07:27 »
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I personally find new images on Shutterstock go nowhere fast. In my experience with vectors FT, DP and 123RF  my new images start getting sells faster. In fact Shutterstock makes just slightly more then most of my sites. I'm always so shocked their ranking is so high. I'm often wonder if the results for vectors and photos would be much different. Maybe the Earnings Rating chart should have  photos and vectors split. I think the vector chart would see a very different result.
Because for the majority they are the top seller. You and a few others got hit hard, but for many its still good business. My second earner is FT and thats 1/6th of what I do at SS. My 3rd earner is 123 at the moment, but thats 1/10th of SS earnings.

« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2013, 07:32 »
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I personally find new images on Shutterstock go nowhere fast. In my experience with vectors FT, DP and 123RF  my new images start getting sells faster. In fact Shutterstock makes just slightly more then most of my sites. I'm always so shocked their ranking is so high. I'm often wonder if the results for vectors and photos would be much different. Maybe the Earnings Rating chart should have  photos and vectors split. I think the vector chart would see a very different result.
Because for the majority they are the top seller. You and a few others got hit hard, but for many its still good business. My second earner is FT and thats 1/6th of what I do at SS. My 3rd earner is 123 at the moment, but thats 1/10th of SS earnings.

I'm sorry Ron I think you may have misunderstood me and run off the track with my point  :)  My FT, DP and 123rf have grown very well and SS went down slightly. Making the difference between site earnings for me personally much closer. I'm a lvl 5 on 123rf if I did indeed make 10 times what I make on 123rf on SS well then....that would be crazy town awesome.  I was not "hit hard" by anything. Microstock is still a very good business for me as a whole.   :) My point was and still is....I think photos and vectors would see some very different results on the Earnings Chart :)
« Last Edit: June 12, 2013, 07:54 by MisterElements »

Ron

« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2013, 08:33 »
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Ok, I thought you got hit at SS due to some search changes, losing 50% of your sales. Good to know you are still making $$$  :)

RacePhoto

« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2013, 11:12 »
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Maybe because it doesn't say there's a boost for new images? Instead it says the opposite, that accuracy is more important than upload date.

In some instances, a more accurate search result will take slight precedence over upload date, but the search experience for customers will be greatly improved.  As a result, it will be less likely to find irrelevant images under the New sort order, but applying accurate metadata to your images remains critical.

Not "tweaking the new search favoring date of upload"?

And the other claim, yes they do live testing.

"At Shutterstock, we perform regular tests of small modifications to search. Those tests are typically released to limited segments of the overall customer population.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia "


For some reason people make mountains out of mole hills. They do small tests on limited portfolios, now sweeping big changes that kill sales. And while upload date (which is NEWNESS counts it's not as heavily weighted as it was before.

We don't know what other 99 factors go into a search and can only guess. All these claims that somehow SS is fiddling with things and causing sales to drop is the opposite of the truth and pure conjecture. They tweak things to make for better sales. Now maybe that doesn't mean my sales will change or go up, but overall, it's about giving the buyers better results.

Are people against better results? Do the ones complaining want buyers to get irrelevant and worse results? Someone explain?




I have noticed a significant boost in the amount of downloads i have been getting since starting last week. I would say anywhere from 10-25%. So this explains why as they have tweaked the search for newer files to have a slightly better exposure. Since im fairly new on SS, all my files are new I guess. Im sorry for the older portfolios that is taking a hit from this but this is probably going to be an on going thing where they will be tweaking the search constantly.

June has got off to a disappointing start at SS for me. Volume of sales is down a bit but the main problem has been the type of sales. I'm still getting plenty of subs but ODD's, EL's and SOD's are significantly down from the norm which obviously has a big impact on earnings.

I can't say that I've noticed a boost for new images either. In my experience (over 8 years) getting new images to take off has never been more difficult than it is now. Those new images that are fortunate enough to gain early sales can gain traction very quickly ... but lots of other images disappear down the Newest sort-order before they are noticed.

ruxpriencdiam

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« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2013, 18:25 »
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You again?

Don't you know you cant help to make anyone understand what is going on?

They have all read the same thing and even though it came form ADMIN they still dont believe it and continue on with their Doom and Gloom posts.

OK continue on I made my visit to the Zoo for the day.

Maybe because it doesn't say there's a boost for new images? Instead it says the opposite, that accuracy is more important than upload date.

In some instances, a more accurate search result will take slight precedence over upload date, but the search experience for customers will be greatly improved.  As a result, it will be less likely to find irrelevant images under the New sort order, but applying accurate metadata to your images remains critical.

Not "tweaking the new search favoring date of upload"?

And the other claim, yes they do live testing.

"At Shutterstock, we perform regular tests of small modifications to search. Those tests are typically released to limited segments of the overall customer population.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia "


For some reason people make mountains out of mole hills. They do small tests on limited portfolios, now sweeping big changes that kill sales. And while upload date (which is NEWNESS counts it's not as heavily weighted as it was before.

We don't know what other 99 factors go into a search and can only guess. All these claims that somehow SS is fiddling with things and causing sales to drop is the opposite of the truth and pure conjecture. They tweak things to make for better sales. Now maybe that doesn't mean my sales will change or go up, but overall, it's about giving the buyers better results.

Are people against better results? Do the ones complaining want buyers to get irrelevant and worse results? Someone explain?




I have noticed a significant boost in the amount of downloads i have been getting since starting last week. I would say anywhere from 10-25%. So this explains why as they have tweaked the search for newer files to have a slightly better exposure. Since im fairly new on SS, all my files are new I guess. Im sorry for the older portfolios that is taking a hit from this but this is probably going to be an on going thing where they will be tweaking the search constantly.

June has got off to a disappointing start at SS for me. Volume of sales is down a bit but the main problem has been the type of sales. I'm still getting plenty of subs but ODD's, EL's and SOD's are significantly down from the norm which obviously has a big impact on earnings.

I can't say that I've noticed a boost for new images either. In my experience (over 8 years) getting new images to take off has never been more difficult than it is now. Those new images that are fortunate enough to gain early sales can gain traction very quickly ... but lots of other images disappear down the Newest sort-order before they are noticed.


 

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