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« Reply #75 on: October 14, 2012, 02:50 »
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QVO USQVE TANDEM ABUTERE PATIENTIA NOSTRA

Not bad but its a well known saying by Cicero. The answer is:  longer then you will ever know. Do you want that in Swedish?


rubyroo

« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2012, 02:53 »
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All wrong. Anybody here know some Latin? ( asking for a miracle probably).

Not asking for a miracle.  Merely unlikely since Latin education was phased out of schools. My father and older siblings all studed Latin.  I didn't because I'm at the younger end of the family and it wasn't on the curriculum at that stage.  People often have little time to learn things they'd like.  No need to brag and patronise them for being busy or focused on learning other things.

I just tried a translator out though... and I hope this reads as intended:

fortitudo in humilitate

« Reply #77 on: October 14, 2012, 03:31 »
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All wrong. Anybody here know some Latin? ( asking for a miracle probably).

Not asking for a miracle.  Merely unlikely since Latin education was phased out of schools. My father and older siblings all studed Latin.  I didn't because I'm at the younger end of the family and it wasn't on the curriculum at that stage.  People often have little time to learn things they'd like.  No need to brag and patronise them for being busy or focused on learning other things.

I just tried a translator out though... and I hope this reads as intended:

fortitudo in humilitate

Youre right. Its a "dead language", today as far as I know its only used in terminology and especially in the medical fields. Your proverb is correct btw. :) the actual history of the language is interesting though.

Poncke

« Reply #78 on: October 14, 2012, 03:56 »
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When some people left here the forum was actually really nice for a short while and then Lagereek signed up again, and now its back as to where it was. A place for trolls just to stump on people.

You said this place gave you a bad rep so why didnt you stay away? What is with you that you constantly need to troll here? How old are you?

You are successful photographer doing really with well with your photos, why dont you tread gracefully and act in a matter that fits your status as photographer.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 04:01 by Poncke »

« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2012, 04:06 »
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When some people left here the forum was actually really nice for a short while and then Lagereek signed up again, and now its back as to where it was. A place for trolls just to stump on people.

You said this place gave you a bad rep so why didnt you stay away? What is with you that you constantly need to troll here? How old are you?

You are successful photographer doing really with well with your photos, why dont you tread gracefully and act in a matter that fits your status as photographer.

We are involved in an intelligent conversation regarding the history of languages actually and can do without any banal drivel.

BTW. are you trying to muster up some sort of a gathering of wannabees/neewbies around the round table? sorry but in that case, ClaridgeJ, is NOT your man.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 04:10 by ClaridgeJ »

Poncke

« Reply #80 on: October 14, 2012, 04:12 »
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When some people left here the forum was actually really nice for a short while and then Lagereek signed up again, and now its back as to where it was. A place for trolls just to stump on people.

You said this place gave you a bad rep so why didnt you stay away? What is with you that you constantly need to troll here? How old are you?

You are successful photographer doing really with well with your photos, why dont you tread gracefully and act in a matter that fits your status as photographer.

We are involved in an intelligent conversation regarding the history of languages actually and can do without your banal drivel.

BTW. are you trying to muster up some sort of a gathering of wannabees/neewbies around the round table? sorry but in that case, ClaridgeJ, is NOT your man.

Sorry, I must have missed that intelligent conversation. All I read was you stumping on Charl.

But since I wrote my comment only addressing Lagereek, I guess you confirmed by replying you are Chris.

What I dont understand is that on SS and Alamy you come across as a very nice person with normal balanced comments. Here you act like a complete different person. I dont see the need for that.

Think about my last comment, you are a successful photographer, act like one. Like you do on SS and Alamy.

« Reply #81 on: October 14, 2012, 04:54 »
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When some people left here the forum was actually really nice for a short while and then Lagereek signed up again, and now its back as to where it was. A place for trolls just to stump on people.

You said this place gave you a bad rep so why didnt you stay away? What is with you that you constantly need to troll here? How old are you?

You are successful photographer doing really with well with your photos, why dont you tread gracefully and act in a matter that fits your status as photographer.

We are involved in an intelligent conversation regarding the history of languages actually and can do without your banal drivel.

BTW. are you trying to muster up some sort of a gathering of wannabees/neewbies around the round table? sorry but in that case, ClaridgeJ, is NOT your man.

Sorry, I must have missed that intelligent conversation. All I read was you stumping on Charl.

But since I wrote my comment only addressing Lagereek, I guess you confirmed by replying you are Chris.

What I dont understand is that on SS and Alamy you come across as a very nice person with normal balanced comments. Here you act like a complete different person. I dont see the need for that.

Think about my last comment, you are a successful photographer, act like one. Like you do on SS and Alamy.

Alright! fair enough I give you that. At the same time forget charl, he was just sfter a cheap score thats all. You and I have had many good conversations at SS and Alamy, so why not here?  there was no need to come with that usual stuff about lagereek, etc, was it? especially not after mine and robyroos postings about the Latin language.

As you probably have noticed, there is the usual " jumping-on-the-thread" crowd here, consists of some 4 people, only waiting for an opportunity to butt in and ruin anything, could be a thread about the weather but they find a way. So why nurse that crowd.

I bet you anything, that within a few hours from now, you will see the usual 4 or 5 people coming on to this thread and theire posts will be about everything exept the topic.
Fortunately for them, Tyler is too a nice chap, to intervene and tell people to stick to the topic, or else! like they do in many other forums, consequently theyre given a free passage.
Just wait and see?

CD123

« Reply #82 on: October 14, 2012, 05:11 »
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Anybody here know some Latin? ( asking for a miracle probably).
Quite highly educated myself (not that it matters here at all, as I have a lot to learn from a lot of members here). Not sure how you think that I thought you where referring to me specifically, if you made a general sweeping assumption of us all, as quoted above. Although some contributors do bark at each other here, it does not give you the superior edge in treating them here...  ;)

Superior edge? because I happend to describe Caesars way of reffering to himself?  mentioning Latin, etc. Youre kidding me surely? may I suggest you have another cup of whatever and start the day all over.

end of conversation. have a good day sir.

Latin knowing Historian Veterinarian Dictator I bow to your superior knowledge and aggressive nature. Hail Caesar in all his glory!!!  :-X

PS I love to "score" of self centered, mini Caeser, people belittling, hot heads who can not complete one entry without stepping on someones toes.   
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 05:22 by CD123 »

CD123

« Reply #83 on: October 14, 2012, 05:28 »
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Can "someone" please intervene and get the thread back to the ACTUAL topic "Shutterstock Love/ Hate". A site neither loved nor hated for its unique Latin content.  Normal photographers might like to add some comments ;)

« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2012, 05:56 »
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Can "someone" please intervene and get the thread back to the ACTUAL topic "Shutterstock Love/ Hate". A site neither loved nor hated for its unique Latin content.  Normal photographers might like to add some comments ;)

Totally agree!  love SS!  BUT, to be normal is being boring. now we are back on topic. ;D ;D ;D

CD123

« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2012, 07:45 »
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BUT, to be normal is being boring.
Sure Chris.... (as Racephoto pointed out: christain58 AKA LagerEek AKA ClaridgeJ)  :o Is there a psychiatrist in the building?  :P  NOW now we are back on topic  ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2012, 07:51 »
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Not sure I can call myself normal, but as for SS, I am in the love stage right now. I went through a period about a year ago where I was lucky enough just to make payout, and some months I didn't. Since istock imploded, my sales have gone up, almost double. Last month was slow, but since the IPO announcement, I have been doing well again. Overall, I have far more positive statements about SS than negative. Not much hate has ever gone on where they are concerned.

rubyroo

« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2012, 08:07 »
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Ah well, if we're going to be on-topic an' all...

LOVE them.  Always have, never waivered for a moment.  Because of their reliable and ever-increasing sales SS is solely responsible for making this a feasible enterprise for me and changing my life for the better.  No matter what happens from here, I will be eternally grateful for that.

« Reply #88 on: October 14, 2012, 15:22 »
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Love/hate:   

I've made a few single/on-demand sales this month. Love it.  Just got 2 more lunatic rejections for 'focus' on sharp images.  Hate it.

SS has driven prices all the way down through the basement floor, down to 25 cents, and made a ton of money for its owner.    At this point there seems to be some stability for contributors - SS has kept the formula consistent and for some people the number of sales actually goes up a bit over time.  Meanwhile other agencies keep churning things up with new marketing schemes and commission cuts every other month and become ever more of a PITA to deal with.   So we love life here at SS.  We are happy for Mr. Oringer's success, and think he is a fine plantation owner.   Those peanut shells keep landing on the floor and we joyfully scoop them up.



« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 15:26 by stockastic »

« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2012, 16:27 »
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Well so far this month SS/BigStock have generated 55% of my microstock income. FT, DT and IS combined (including projected PP earnings) are just 45% of the total. Generally speaking I'd prefer a better balance, with my income spread more evenly between agencies, but all my data suggests that SS is trampling all over the competition and will continue to grow at others' expense.

At what point will the other agencies wake up to SS's success and adapt their own business models in order to compete more effectively? Seems to me with their complex pricing architecture, inadequate search results and poor attitude to their contributors that they are slowly sleep-walking into oblivion.

Poncke

« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2012, 17:03 »
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At what point will the other agencies wake up to SS's success and adapt their own business models in order to compete more effectively? Seems to me with their complex pricing architecture, inadequate search results and poor attitude to their contributors that they are slowly sleep-walking into oblivion.

That is something I have been pondering on. Good point. I cannot for the life of me figure out why SS is not being copied more. The only thing I can think of is that its just pure stubbornness and pride not willing to change or to accept you got it wrong. But at some point something's got to give. SS has many things right, and what they have right are the most important things; pricing structure, uploading process and the search.

w7lwi

  • Those that don't stand up to evil enable evil.
« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2012, 17:08 »
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At what point will the other agencies wake up to SS's success and adapt their own business models in order to compete more effectively? Seems to me with their complex pricing architecture, inadequate search results and poor attitude to their contributors that they are slowly sleep-walking into oblivion.

That is something I have been pondering on. Good point. I cannot for the life of me figure out why SS is not being copied more. The only thing I can think of is that its just pure stubbornness and pride not willing to change or to accept you got it wrong. But at some point something's got to give. SS has many things right, and what they have right are the most important things; pricing structure, uploading process and the search.

That's called the "NIH" syndrome.  Been the downfall of more companies that I care to count.


« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2012, 17:15 »
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So  subscriptions, that pay us 25 cents per sale, are the best thing that could have happened to us?   

I guess I'm confused.  Our goal is not to make money for ourselves, but to make hundreds of millions for the people who the run agencies, and then enjoy their success vicariously?

 "He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother." - Winston Smith




« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 17:48 by stockastic »

CD123

« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2012, 17:58 »
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From our perspective pricing and commission is the most important aspects, but I think we are looking to superficially at SS and its success. A business consists of much more than just its pricing model. The pictures they select, the pictures they do not select, the way they present them, the way they attract customers (marketing),  the ease of purchasing, the way they look after their customers (pre and post sales support), their value add they offer and many other (business related) aspects has to play a major role in SS's success. I think if their competitors believed it was just based on pricing, they would have done the logical thing and copied them a long time ago.

« Reply #94 on: October 14, 2012, 18:10 »
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So  subscriptions, that pay us 25 cents per sale, are the best thing that could have happened to us?   

I guess I'm confused.  Our goal is not to make money for ourselves, but to make hundreds of millions for people who the run agencies, and then enjoy their success vicariously?

It is so cool, feeling like I'm a part of the team.   Could we at least get a discount on a SS t-shirt or coffee cup?


But I don't get any 25c sales at SS and haven't done so for over 5 years. The last one I had there was in April 2007. I get lots of much smaller commissions than that at iStock though, sometimes 10c or less. Ironically SS is actually the only agency that pays me a minimum of 38c per sale. Every other agency I'm with pays less than that.

You are such a depressing wet blanket. Why do you come here being as you never do anything but complain, distort the facts and run our industry down?

I love microstock. It's given me an enviable lifestyle. I get to work from home, have no boss or commuting, can play golf as many times per week as I like and ... I actually enjoy producing content (when I feel like doing so) often whilst also watching sport on the telly. It's great. Why don't you do the same?

If you think that SS is making too much money out of us then go and buy some SSTK stock (with your 25c commissions). Have you even bothered to read the IPO prospectus with all the financial details? I hate to burden you with actual facts, because that wouldn't be convenient for the inaccurate bile you like to spout, but nonetheless here it is for you;

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549346/000104746912005905/a2209364zs-1.htm

« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 18:16 by gostwyck »

« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2012, 18:27 »
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Split your batches up during submission. Stagger the content. After 2 years as an illustrator and almost 4 years retouching and submitting another photographers work, I have found that the reviewing is completely arbitrary and subjective. There is no absolute regarding commercial value if you have professional experience behind your work. Resubmit when your gut tells you they are wrong.

Honestly I feel that rejections by in large are because of a particular inspector.  Arbitrary yes.  Does your batch go to atilla and is highly rejected? sometimes yes. This tells me that, for the most part, inspection at SS depends on who you get.

« Reply #96 on: October 15, 2012, 04:27 »
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Split your batches up during submission. Stagger the content. After 2 years as an illustrator and almost 4 years retouching and submitting another photographers work, I have found that the reviewing is completely arbitrary and subjective. There is no absolute regarding commercial value if you have professional experience behind your work. Resubmit when your gut tells you they are wrong.

Honestly I feel that rejections by in large are because of a particular inspector.  Arbitrary yes.  Does your batch go to atilla and is highly rejected? sometimes yes. This tells me that, for the most part, inspection at SS depends on who you get.



Lat Sat the crazy reviewer rejected 32 out of 33 photos of my last batch! It really depends who is assessing your pics and that is not fair! Could we start a sort of e-petition against it...so frustrating and time consuming!

« Reply #97 on: October 15, 2012, 06:38 »
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So  subscriptions, that pay us 25 cents per sale, are the best thing that could have happened to us?   

I guess I'm confused.  Our goal is not to make money for ourselves, but to make hundreds of millions for the people who the run agencies, and then enjoy their success vicariously?

 "He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother." - Winston Smith


Show me an industry, any industry that isnt there to make money for themselves? ofcourse they are. In the micro industry, if they were not there to make money, you would not have anywhere to upload your pics, would you?
Believe me, they dont come much more fair then SS.

« Reply #98 on: October 15, 2012, 10:57 »
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So  subscriptions, that pay us 25 cents per sale, are the best thing that could have happened to us?   

I guess I'm confused.  Our goal is not to make money for ourselves, but to make hundreds of millions for the people who the run agencies, and then enjoy their success vicariously?

 "He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother." - Winston Smith


Show me an industry, any industry that isnt there to make money for themselves? ofcourse they are. In the micro industry, if they were not there to make money, you would not have anywhere to upload your pics, would you?
Believe me, they dont come much more fair then SS.

There is "profit" and there is "excessive profit".  That is a judgement we all have to make individually.

steheap

  • Author of best selling "Get Started in Stock"

« Reply #99 on: October 15, 2012, 10:57 »
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Monday morning review - 25 out of 27 rejected. I used to have such a good record at Shutterstock!

Steve


 

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