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« Reply #75 on: April 09, 2014, 15:07 »
-2
So you dis me first, and then realised it was me, and then dis me again. LOL

Dis You ron?

Heck no!

Your my favorite!
 :)


If I'm going to "Dis" anyone it would not be you of all people.
Why on earth (or cyberspace) would you think that?

Again I wish you all the Very Best!

Oh by the way have you seen my lost cat?
There is a $25.00 reward for Tinker Bell's Safe Return



« Reply #76 on: April 09, 2014, 17:35 »
+6
I love how you know My Sales Figures

maybe in your twitter account ;)



978 downloads in the first 22 days of February 2012

1296 downloads in January 2012

1590 downloads in November 2011

you have daily reports since Aug 2009 until February 2012


« Reply #77 on: April 09, 2014, 19:34 »
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I love how you know My Sales Figures

maybe in your twitter account ;)



978 downloads in the first 22 days of February 2012

1296 downloads in January 2012

1590 downloads in November 2011

you have daily reports since Aug 2009 until February 2012




Perhaps im lying to see is following me on twitter?
 ;)

LOL!

Maybe yes? Maybe no?

Im glad  your my twitter follower
I have a fan
im blushing


« Reply #78 on: April 09, 2014, 19:40 »
+2
If those 1600 downloads are all $150 SODs Mike is doing very well.  Nearly a quarter million per month.

« Reply #79 on: April 09, 2014, 19:43 »
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Todays Twitter...

mike ledray ‏@mikeledray1  1m 
I sold 12,000 images on http://www.shutterstock.com  today!
Check out my gallery here http://shutterstock.com/g/mikeledray  pic.twitter.com/wBq9tnJ6tl

w7lwi

  • Those that don't stand up to evil enable evil.
« Reply #80 on: April 09, 2014, 20:20 »
+2
http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/infographic-shutterstocks-global-design-trends-2014
http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/2013/02/infographic-shutterstocks-global-design-trends-2013/

Best sellers of video, photo, illustration, and vector from 2013:  11,340
Best sellers of photo, illustration, and vector (not including video) from 2012:  13,968

Without even including videos for 2012 the best sellers had 20% less sales than the best sellers from the previous year.  I don't know if that means best sellers are punished or there is something else at work but a 20% decline seems significant especially when Shutterstock had 100 million downloads last year (28% of the total downloads were in 2013).  Average downloads per image in the library stayed at about the same level, maybe even increasing slightly.


That sounds to me like while overall sales are going up (according to SS), best sellers are becoming a smaller proportion of the total mix.  Thus the remaining sales are spread out among more and more individual images and could be a part of the reduction (dilution) of individual income many contributors are reporting.  More images ... greater competition.

« Reply #81 on: April 09, 2014, 20:28 »
+2
http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/infographic-shutterstocks-global-design-trends-2014
http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/2013/02/infographic-shutterstocks-global-design-trends-2013/

Best sellers of video, photo, illustration, and vector from 2013:  11,340
Best sellers of photo, illustration, and vector (not including video) from 2012:  13,968

Without even including videos for 2012 the best sellers had 20% less sales than the best sellers from the previous year.  I don't know if that means best sellers are punished or there is something else at work but a 20% decline seems significant especially when Shutterstock had 100 million downloads last year (28% of the total downloads were in 2013).  Average downloads per image in the library stayed at about the same level, maybe even increasing slightly.


That sounds to me like while overall sales are going up (according to SS), best sellers are becoming a smaller proportion of the total mix.  Thus the remaining sales are spread out among more and more individual images and could be a part of the reduction (dilution) of individual income many contributors are reporting.  More images ... greater competition.

The question is why is there a 20% reduction in the best sellers while downloads per image stayed the same or went up?  Those sales are going somewhere, just not to the best sellers.  Without more information the reasons are all just speculation but one reason could be that best selling images (which are likely produced by best selling and highest level contributors) are being moved down in the search.  There could be other reasons too.  A 20% reduction for those files sounds significant to me and doesn't suggest normal variation, but like I said there could be other reasons.

« Reply #82 on: April 10, 2014, 00:44 »
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Im glad  your my twitter follower
I have a fan
im blushing

you do follow me but I don't follow you, too much photo booth business for my taste ;D

« Reply #83 on: April 10, 2014, 01:22 »
+1
SS knows and documents those who Whine and Cry and Bitch all the time and only turn off THOSE galleries while others who Praise SS for all the AMAZING GOODNESS they do get Special Super Duper Advertising to help their sales!

Mike if we all work hard to produce excellent images which can stand on their own merit,  none of us will need to cling to disingenuous marketing techniques. This marketing technique speaks of desperation.

« Reply #84 on: April 10, 2014, 09:01 »
-2
Im glad  your my twitter follower
I have a fan
im blushing

you do follow me but I don't follow you, too much photo booth business for my taste ;D

I DO?
Funny thing is, I dont use twitter, dont look at it, very rarely post on it, dont care about it, and think its a childish waste of time
I am glad you are having fun with it
oh by the way do you ever twit anything of any interest?
Sorry but I have no idea

« Reply #85 on: April 10, 2014, 09:03 »
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SS knows and documents those who Whine and Cry and Bitch all the time and only turn off THOSE galleries while others who Praise SS for all the AMAZING GOODNESS they do get Special Super Duper Advertising to help their sales!

Mike if we all work hard to produce excellent images which can stand on their own merit,  none of us will need to cling to disingenuous marketing techniques. This marketing technique speaks of desperation.

sounds like a good plan
dont tell anyone
we would hate for these guys to change their tactics and stop crying and whining about lack of sales
what fun would that be?

Uncle Pete

« Reply #86 on: April 10, 2014, 09:23 »
0
Seems like some people don't understand where this reporting comes from? Or if they do, the criticism of Mike is misplaced?

(I don't use it, I found it would have driven everyone I know to stop following me and watching a steady flow of SPAM from my Twitter account. And Also I don't want to be announcing my sales or income. BUT...)

Look on your SS "Account Settings", it's a added feature of SS.

" Shuttertweet

Automatically promote your images with your Twitter account. Sign up for Shuttertweet and Shutterstock can automatically:

    Tweet a daily summary when work gets accepted. Example tweet:I got 10 images accepted to @shutterstock today! Check out my gallery here: http://tinyurl.com/-----
    Tweet a daily summary of your download stats. Example tweet:I sold 10 images today through @shutterstock! My gallery is here: http://tinyurl.com/-----

All you have to do is add the Shuttertweet application to your Twitter account. Login to Twitter and allow Shuttertweet to post updates to your account. To activate, you must authorize the Shuttertweet application. You can deactivate Shuttertweet at any time. "


So is this, which I also don't plan on using.

" Facebook Connect

Activate the Shutterstock Facebook application and share your achievements at Shutterstock with your friends:

    Post a daily summary when your images or videos are accepted to Shutterstock.
    Post a daily summary of your Shutterstock sales stats.
    Earn referral fees.

Example post:

You can choose to post a summary of accepted images or videos, a summary of your sales, or both. Any traffic from your posts that leads to successful sales will be paid out under the terms of the Shutterstock Referral Program. All you have to do is add the Shutterstock Facebook application to your Facebook account. To activate, make sure third-party cookies are enabled in your browser, then click the button below. You can turn off Shutterstock Facebook updates any time.
Login with Facebook
"


Also as far as I can see, the features are both broken, but people who joined when it was first started can be active. Again, I have no interest in sending endless messages to my friends and followers and people who don't care or have a use for my images.


SS knows and documents those who Whine and Cry and Bitch all the time and only turn off THOSE galleries while others who Praise SS for all the AMAZING GOODNESS they do get Special Super Duper Advertising to help their sales!


Mike if we all work hard to produce excellent images which can stand on their own merit,  none of us will need to cling to disingenuous marketing techniques. This marketing technique speaks of desperation.

« Reply #87 on: April 10, 2014, 09:28 »
0
Im glad  your my twitter follower
I have a fan
im blushing

you do follow me but I don't follow you, too much photo booth business for my taste ;D

I DO?
Funny thing is, I dont use twitter, dont look at it, very rarely post on it, dont care about it, and think its a childish waste of time
I am glad you are having fun with it
oh by the way do you ever twit anything of any interest?
Sorry but I have no idea

you have 23 tweets this month already, 2801 tweets in total!

EmberMike

« Reply #88 on: April 10, 2014, 09:50 »
+3
...I dont use twitter, dont look at it, very rarely post on it, dont care about it, and think its a childish waste of time...

Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's "childish" or a "waste of time".

...Sorry but I have no idea...

Obviously. I'm sure the myriad companies and individuals who have used it with great success to promote their products and services, as well as to better communicate with customers and in some cases use it as a customer support system, would all disagree with your assessment if its value.

« Reply #89 on: April 10, 2014, 09:54 »
+1
Seems like some people don't understand where this reporting comes from? Or if they do, the criticism of Mike is misplaced?

(I don't use it, I found it would have driven everyone I know to stop following me and watching a steady flow of SPAM from my Twitter account. And Also I don't want to be announcing my sales or income. BUT...)

Look on your SS "Account Settings", it's a added feature of SS.

" Shuttertweet

Automatically promote your images with your Twitter account. Sign up for Shuttertweet and Shutterstock can automatically:

    Tweet a daily summary when work gets accepted. Example tweet:I got 10 images accepted to @shutterstock today! Check out my gallery here: http://tinyurl.com/-----
    Tweet a daily summary of your download stats. Example tweet:I sold 10 images today through @shutterstock! My gallery is here: http://tinyurl.com/-----

All you have to do is add the Shuttertweet application to your Twitter account. Login to Twitter and allow Shuttertweet to post updates to your account. To activate, you must authorize the Shuttertweet application. You can deactivate Shuttertweet at any time. "


So is this, which I also don't plan on using.

" Facebook Connect

Activate the Shutterstock Facebook application and share your achievements at Shutterstock with your friends:

    Post a daily summary when your images or videos are accepted to Shutterstock.
    Post a daily summary of your Shutterstock sales stats.
    Earn referral fees.

Example post:

You can choose to post a summary of accepted images or videos, a summary of your sales, or both. Any traffic from your posts that leads to successful sales will be paid out under the terms of the Shutterstock Referral Program. All you have to do is add the Shutterstock Facebook application to your Facebook account. To activate, make sure third-party cookies are enabled in your browser, then click the button below. You can turn off Shutterstock Facebook updates any time.
Login with Facebook
"


Also as far as I can see, the features are both broken, but people who joined when it was first started can be active. Again, I have no interest in sending endless messages to my friends and followers and people who don't care or have a use for my images.


SS knows and documents those who Whine and Cry and Bitch all the time and only turn off THOSE galleries while others who Praise SS for all the AMAZING GOODNESS they do get Special Super Duper Advertising to help their sales!


Mike if we all work hard to produce excellent images which can stand on their own merit,  none of us will need to cling to disingenuous marketing techniques. This marketing technique speaks of desperation.



Why would you quote me.  I made absolutely no mention of twitter. My post was in response to Mike's comment which I quoted and highlighted in bold.

As for twitter are you just figuring this out? It seems that you are the one who is confused.

Mike is the one who did not understand that his twitter account was reporting his sales. That was Louis's point!

At the time, several years ago Mike was reporting that his sales were higher than they actually were. His own SS automated tweets pointed that out.

« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 11:24 by gbalex »

MxR

« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2014, 09:55 »
+5
Shutterstock effectively manipulates our sales to the floor with a shameful art: Approve 200,000 new photos every week.

I have prepared a counter attack with my cat 200,000 photos next week ...

 ;)

« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2014, 10:04 »
+5
Mike stopped using using twitter because after writing Gosh Golly Gee Willikers! in every post he only had  115 characters left.


« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2014, 15:58 »
-3
Im glad  your my twitter follower
I have a fan
im blushing

you do follow me but I don't follow you, too much photo booth business for my taste ;D

I DO?
Funny thing is, I dont use twitter, dont look at it, very rarely post on it, dont care about it, and think its a childish waste of time
I am glad you are having fun with it
oh by the way do you ever twit anything of any interest?
Sorry but I have no idea

you have 23 tweets this month already, 2801 tweets in total!

I DO?
How would that be?
As far as I know, the ONLY TWEET I have done for a Long Long time was yesterday (I think) when I posted my daily sales on SS!
It was a SLOOOOOOOOWWWWWW day, only 12000 image sales!
:(
I sure hope it pics up soon!

« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2014, 16:04 »
-2
Seems like some people don't understand where this reporting comes from? Or if they do, the criticism of Mike is misplaced?

(I don't use it, I found it would have driven everyone I know to stop following me and watching a steady flow of SPAM from my Twitter account. And Also I don't want to be announcing my sales or income. BUT...)

Look on your SS "Account Settings", it's a added feature of SS.

" Shuttertweet

Automatically promote your images with your Twitter account. Sign up for Shuttertweet and Shutterstock can automatically:

    Tweet a daily summary when work gets accepted. Example tweet:I got 10 images accepted to @shutterstock today! Check out my gallery here: http://tinyurl.com/-----
    Tweet a daily summary of your download stats. Example tweet:I sold 10 images today through @shutterstock! My gallery is here: http://tinyurl.com/-----

All you have to do is add the Shuttertweet application to your Twitter account. Login to Twitter and allow Shuttertweet to post updates to your account. To activate, you must authorize the Shuttertweet application. You can deactivate Shuttertweet at any time. "


So is this, which I also don't plan on using.

" Facebook Connect

Activate the Shutterstock Facebook application and share your achievements at Shutterstock with your friends:

    Post a daily summary when your images or videos are accepted to Shutterstock.
    Post a daily summary of your Shutterstock sales stats.
    Earn referral fees.

Example post:

You can choose to post a summary of accepted images or videos, a summary of your sales, or both. Any traffic from your posts that leads to successful sales will be paid out under the terms of the Shutterstock Referral Program. All you have to do is add the Shutterstock Facebook application to your Facebook account. To activate, make sure third-party cookies are enabled in your browser, then click the button below. You can turn off Shutterstock Facebook updates any time.
Login with Facebook
"


Also as far as I can see, the features are both broken, but people who joined when it was first started can be active. Again, I have no interest in sending endless messages to my friends and followers and people who don't care or have a use for my images.


SS knows and documents those who Whine and Cry and Bitch all the time and only turn off THOSE galleries while others who Praise SS for all the AMAZING GOODNESS they do get Special Super Duper Advertising to help their sales!


Mike if we all work hard to produce excellent images which can stand on their own merit,  none of us will need to cling to disingenuous marketing techniques. This marketing technique speaks of desperation.



Why would you quote me.  I made absolutely no mention of twitter. My post was in response to Mike's comment which I quoted and highlighted in bold.

As for twitter are you just figuring this out? It seems that you are the one who is confused.

Mike is the one who did not understand that his twitter account was reporting his sales. That was Louis's point!

At the time, several years ago Mike was reporting that his sales were higher than they actually were. His own SS automated tweets pointed that out.


Thats where you are all wrong.
For what ever unknown reason the SS Tweets tweeted out Twits that Twernt Correct.
In fact they Under Twitted my daily sales.
I sort of think it was due to the time zone (me being on the Good Side of the world the West Coast) and at 12:00 midnight NY Time its only 9:00pm here and other times for other parts of the world.

But thats all good to me
My sales are MY SALES and Not Yours.
I make the money and smile every time I look at my bank accounts

Its all good.
:)

« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2014, 16:05 »
-3
Mike stopped using using twitter because after writing Gosh Golly Gee Willikers! in every post he only had  115 characters left.

GOSH GOLLY GEE WILLIKERS you figured me out!

:)

« Reply #95 on: April 10, 2014, 17:55 »
-3
Im glad  your my twitter follower
I have a fan
im blushing


you do follow me but I don't follow you, too much photo booth business for my taste ;D


I DO?
Funny thing is, I dont use twitter, dont look at it, very rarely post on it, dont care about it, and think its a childish waste of time
I am glad you are having fun with it
oh by the way do you ever twit anything of any interest?
Sorry but I have no idea


you have 23 tweets this month already, 2801 tweets in total!


THAT STATEMENT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!
I just checked my Twitter page
I have 2 post This Month. The last one was in August about my Microscope

But of course Lying and False Statements by You and a few select others is nothing new!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I sold 13,000 images on [url=http://t.co/wieOCEQjs6]http://t.co/wieOCEQjs6[/url]  today!&#10; [url=http://t.co/xWbwfwCAX3]http://t.co/xWbwfwCAX3[/url]  pic.twitter.com/wBq9tnJ6tl pic.twitter.com/noQ9dbieYo</p>&mdash; mike ledray (@mikeledray1) April 10, 2014
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

« Reply #96 on: April 10, 2014, 18:06 »
+2
no I am not lying dude

https://twitter.com/mikeledray

all of them from Facebook

anyway I am done with this discussion, you are a lost case and my patience is over!

you opened another account LOL

« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2014, 20:42 »
+5
Mike, let me see if I am still following this correctly. You lie about not tweeting, than you create a new account so you can show only two tweets, than accuse Louis of being a liar and making slanderous claims against him, he shows the original link to your massive tweeting.

 OK, I'm up to date. Thanks :P

« Reply #98 on: April 10, 2014, 21:16 »
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Mike, let me see if I am still following this correctly. You lie about not tweeting, than you create a new account so you can show only two tweets, than accuse Louis of being a liar and making slanderous claims against him, he shows the original link to your massive tweeting.

 OK, I'm up to date. Thanks :P

Nope
That is still my same twitter account from when I started
Again
I don't have any interest in Twitter.
Twitter is for self centered morons who think everyone has to know what they are up to.
I for one could care less what anyone on twitter has to say ever

lol

This is quite funny actually


« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 21:22 by mike ledray »

EmberMike

« Reply #99 on: April 10, 2014, 21:32 »
+4
...Twitter is for self centered morons who think everyone has to know what they are up to...

Classy, Mike.

You know probably 90% of the people on this forum use twitter. I see you're just as good at making friends over here as you were at the SS forum.


 

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