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Anny1234

« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2023, 08:30 »
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A drone operator is a photo/videographer. You don't need a film camera or a 5D Mark IV to be called a photographer.

Maybe that's what you don't get.

And don't worry, AI/robot wars are only happening in the science fiction movies you say you don't watch.

It seems you watch plenty as you refer to them all the time.
I read news instead and the arms race involving AI is very much real. If you live in the forest far away and don't care I am just happy for you :)

And as if everything that is happening right now is too far away from science fiction? :D

If you think your own little drone will be able to make you money in a few months, I wish you luck with that.

All I am saying is, that I just wish that all stock photographers who has relied on this income as I did, will better stop doing it asap. And try suplement it while there are still few months left of money coming in.

I have built a new online income stream in recent months for which I would need plenty of stock photos before.
I will never need to use stock sites ever again, even though I would have to be a customer just few months ago. Not anymore.
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Anny1234

« Reply #76 on: March 29, 2023, 08:37 »
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« Reply #77 on: March 29, 2023, 09:03 »
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All I am saying is, that I just wish that all stock photographers who has relied on this income as I did, will better stop doing it asap. And try suplement it while there are still few months left of money coming in.


We can agree with that. As I said, stock photographers rehashing old concepts will have to give up.

But really new content, creative content that only humans can invent, will still be needed, and it will be better valued than today, when it's drowned into a sea of replicas.
This is a drawing I made yesterday during an AI centric presentation made by McKinsey group,
« Last Edit: March 30, 2023, 15:42 by Zero Talent »

Anny1234

« Reply #78 on: March 29, 2023, 09:09 »
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This is a drawing I made yesterday during an AI centric presentation made by McKinsey group.

It is good to be optimistic indeed :) :D

Anny1234

« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2023, 09:10 »
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« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2023, 09:17 »
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This is a drawing I made yesterday during an AI centric presentation made by McKinsey group.

It is good to be optimistic indeed :) :D

No. It's realism.
During that meeting, we discussed extensively with their AI experts, stuff you don't seem to want to understand.

Anny1234

« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2023, 09:24 »
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No. It's realism.
During that meeting, we discussed extensively with their AI experts, stuff you don't seem to want to understand.

What I don't understand? I completely agree with you saying:

"But really new content, creative content that only humans can invent, will still be needed, and it will be better valued than today, when it's drowned into a see of replicas."

And I referred to 1% of exceptional work that will still remain relevant.

I won't be that arrogant to consider myself or anyone who is doing stock photography to be that 1% of visionaries. But you are welcome :D

Though also... selling your future coming groundbraking concepts for 0.10 cents on stock sites seems a bit strange to me :)

And if people still need pizza pics because they eat pizza, not some concept food, there is no need to invent the wheel, there is just a need to generate the most photorealistic yummy pizza - that is all that is needed. And no photographer is needed for that anymore.

P.S: and no stock site is needed for that anymore either! Ever again.
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« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2023, 09:46 »
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No. It's realism.
During that meeting, we discussed extensively with their AI experts, stuff you don't seem to want to understand.

What I don't understand? I completely agree with you saying:

"But really new content, creative content that only humans can invent, will still be needed, and it will be better valued than today, when it's drowned into a see of replicas."

And I referred to 1% of exceptional work that will still remain relevant.

I won't be that arrogant to consider myself or anyone who is doing stock photography to be that 1% of visionaries. But you are welcome :D

Though also... selling your future coming groundbraking concepts for 0.10 cents on stock sites seems a bit strange to me :)

And if people still need pizza pics because they eat pizza, not some concept food, there is no need to invent the wheel, there is just a need to generate the most photorealistic yummy pizza - that is all that is needed. And no photographer is needed for that anymore.

P.S: and no stock site is needed for that anymore either! Ever again.

Then all is good. We can debate if it's only 1%.
And no, I have no long term expectation from this.
I will just go along with it for as long as it will last, as I always said since I first started, about 10 years ago.
Moreover, I have no plans to become part of that small percentage of surviving photographers, even if they will end up being in high demand and better paid than today.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2023, 10:36 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #83 on: March 29, 2023, 11:05 »
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So this is where the designer resources market comes into it - the supplier side. Top product mockup photographers also make a lot of money. Through eRank I was able to research some of them who sell around 300 mockup photos (JPEG, PNGs and PSD smart object files) at around $5 to $12 a mockup - A WEEK! That's a minimum of $78,000/annum.
What sites do photographers sell photos for $5-$12?

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« Reply #84 on: March 29, 2023, 11:14 »
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I am very aware that the photo stock business will be nearly dead in about  a year or less!

I'd say that's the best summary of the situation and the future. Stock photography will suffer more than any other area of photography. The more common any item is, and easily created by AI, the less anyone will need real photos.

As an example, except for styling and something specific arrangements, most common, useful, stock food photos, will be unnecessary. The demand will be fulfilled by AI.

Real photos, real locations, interesting creative angles, and things that AI can't easily have in the catalog or not having been programed to simulate, will still be viable.

It's also possible that most of the stock photo agencies will be a thing of the past. No longer necessary and who needs to search through millions of images for "that perfect image" when they can create what they want, on demand? AI will cost less as well. No subscription for 750 images a month needed.

Going back to your quote. No subscriptions, means stock photographers will lose the tiny bit of income that's left on a repeating or reliable basis. Many of us will be left with intermittent singles and others, and on demand.

« Reply #85 on: March 29, 2023, 12:23 »
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As an example, except for styling and something specific arrangements, most common, useful, stock food photos, will be unnecessary. The demand will be fulfilled by AI....

It's also possible that most of the stock photo agencies will be a thing of the past. No longer necessary and who needs to search through millions of images for "that perfect image" when they can create what they want, on demand? AI will cost less as well. No subscription for 750 images a month needed.
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but food, nature, travel, etc are already over represented and few can make much money in those areas, so AI wont make much difference

but the bigger mistake here is assuming that buyers are as tech savvy as many here - many still dont know how to deal with their phones or the tv remote - expecting all buyer to immediately start producing their own content isn't logical - they'd have to hire additional designers to actually create the initial images and THEN do, the post-processing required to make a usable image. stock agencies have hundreds of millions of images that they are not going to, discard overnight.  so 1 year for the disappearance of agencies is wildly pessimistic, altho i do expect majopr changes over the next 5-10 years

« Reply #86 on: March 29, 2023, 13:13 »
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I expect the erosion of sales and the erosion of pay to continue. Depending on what sort of content you sell this might speed up or not. I suspect at some point the AI will use people to continue to refine - for example it produces a number of images based on the request - then based on what the requester picks, it decides that is what it should produce. Also at some point those images will be available for licensing.

So far so called AI still needs something to start with - at the moment that is whatever is available - with a huge keyworded stock library especially valuable - If the stock libraries fill up with AI generated and keyworded content, the AI will train off of that and drift in whatever way that stuff goes. Probably towards whatever was popular recently and whatever is being bought. When something new comes along it can be wildly popular for a while, until people get sick of it - for example HDR images or video with very shallow depth of field or right now AI generated stuff. Except the AI stuff doesn't have to have a particular AI look.

In general good enough is good enough for customers, and even though the chance of your image making it in the wildly over-represented categories for many of them there are still a lot of sales, the pie is just sliced too thin to make it worthwhile for most artists to add more. It remains to be seen if AI images based on reality are good enough or if people actually want reality for things like landscapes and city scapes and will people even be able to tell the difference. Maybe google street view images are good enough or the AI can use them as a starting point to produce much prettier images that are close enough to replace actual images. Also if the sites decide that they want to push AI down in the search it would severely limit its effect on sales on that platform - until the sales go elsewhere or AI images that aren't labeled as such take over.

It will be interesting to see where this goes - I certainly don't predict anything good for photographers although as usual it is probably possible to use this at least in the short term for some gain. I doubt the stock photo business will be anywhere near dead in a year or less, but I also very seriously doubt it will be the same or better for photographers. My prediction for the future remains about the same - long term this is a losing proposition and it will get worse before it gets worse but it won't just stop immediately, just a long descent.

Anny1234

« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2023, 13:38 »
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but the bigger mistake here is assuming that buyers are as tech savvy as many here - many still dont know how to deal with their phones or the tv remote - expecting all buyer to immediately start producing their own content isn't logical

Who are they then and what are they doing on stock agency at all then? Sorry, it doesn't seem logical to imagine a buyer who doesn't know how to deal with the phone but has subscription on Shutterstock?

There is absolutely no difference between typing "apple on white background" into DALL-E or into stock website the only difference that you pay them more for no reason than to a native generator.

20 year old social media managers working for companies all around the world won't have any problems with it.

But they may not even go anywhere for pictures it will be just integrated in every other service they are using.

Enjoy it in action here from 2:40:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2yHIKQ7oM

They won't even have to go anywhere. :D Horrific :)

« Last Edit: March 29, 2023, 13:41 by Anny1234 »

Annie2022

« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2023, 14:57 »
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So this is where the designer resources market comes into it - the supplier side. Top product mockup photographers also make a lot of money. Through eRank I was able to research some of them who sell around 300 mockup photos (JPEG, PNGs and PSD smart object files) at around $5 to $12 a mockup - A WEEK! That's a minimum of $78,000/annum.
What sites do photographers sell photos for $5-$12?

Etsy, Design Bundles, Creative Market, their own websites. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

https://designbundles.net/pawmockups/713487-greeting-card-mockup-product-mockup#gtmList=5&gtmPos=21&aaQ=1b0ef20f66f3400ecbaa8a0cf192117c&aaI=product_trending

Of course, there are always those who do price-cutting. But the top mockup sellers that I was researching are in the range I quoted above, at an average of $8 to $9 per file - selling a few hundred a week.  You are paying the extra for the PSD smart object file, of course.

This is the designer resources market that I was originally talking about on page 2 of this thread.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2023, 15:38 by Annie »

Annie2022

« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2023, 15:04 »
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All I am saying is, that I just wish that all stock photographers who has relied on this income as I did, will better stop doing it asap. And try suplement it while there are still few months left of money coming in.


We can agree with that. As I said, stock photographers rehashing old concepts will have to give up.

But really new content, creative content that only humans can invent, will still be needed, and it will be better valued than today, when it's drowned into a see of replicas.
This is a drawing I made yesterday during an AI centric presentation made by McKinsey group,

Please, tell us more about the story behind your drawing.

Annie2022

« Reply #90 on: March 29, 2023, 15:08 »
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And sometimes it just goes batshit crazy - This was basically "cat hunting a mouse":



I really have no idea where Midjourney went wrong here.  :o

So there are still some major issues. But, I think with how fast AI is progressing, we can expect most if not all of them to be sorted out within maybe a year.

lol. The mouse?????

I love all the alien creatures that AI manages to create - and the beautiful 3-armed ladies. Would suit Sci-fi.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2023, 15:11 by Annie »

Annie2022

« Reply #91 on: March 29, 2023, 15:16 »
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Written by AI for you :-). Despite the rapid advancements in artificial intelligence, there are certain areas of the photography business where AI will not be effective. AI is being increasingly used in photography to automate certain processes and to improve the quality of images. However, there are certain aspects of photography that still require human input and creativity.

One area where AI will not be effective is in the creative process of photography. Although AI can be used to assist photographers in certain tasks, such as image recognition and face detection, the creative process of taking a photograph still requires a human touch. AI can only do so much in terms of capturing the nuances of a scene, the emotion of a moment, or the composition of a photograph. Furthermore, AI can only take photographs from predetermined vantage points, so if a photographer wants to take a photograph from an unusual angle, this will require human input.

Another area where AI will not be effective is in post-production. Post-production involves editing and enhancing photographs, and this often requires an artistic eye that AI simply cannot provide. Although AI can be used to automate certain tasks, such as color correction and image sharpening, the creative decisions that go into post-production still require human input.

Finally, AI will not be able to replace the business

Good answer


Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #92 on: March 29, 2023, 15:31 »
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And sometimes it just goes batshit crazy - This was basically "cat hunting a mouse":



I really have no idea where Midjourney went wrong here.  :o

So there are still some major issues. But, I think with how fast AI is progressing, we can expect most if not all of them to be sorted out within maybe a year.

lol. The mouse?????

I love all the alien creatures that AI manages to create - and the beautiful 3-armed ladies. Would suit Sci-fi.
I have these creatures all over my garden. Maybe it's a local thing?

Annie2022

« Reply #93 on: March 29, 2023, 15:45 »
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And sometimes it just goes batshit crazy - This was basically "cat hunting a mouse":



I really have no idea where Midjourney went wrong here.  :o

So there are still some major issues. But, I think with how fast AI is progressing, we can expect most if not all of them to be sorted out within maybe a year.

lol. The mouse?????

I love all the alien creatures that AI manages to create - and the beautiful 3-armed ladies. Would suit Sci-fi.
I have these creatures all over my garden. Maybe it's a local thing?

hahahahaha 

« Reply #94 on: March 29, 2023, 16:35 »
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A create an (AI) image button will soon be omnipresent in all creative apps and search engines.  At stock photo sites rows of "created just for you" images will be peppered into search results.  AI wont fit all needs but it will impact/reduce image sales quite a lot.   

U11


« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2023, 17:23 »
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also even now you can feed an image to the "AI" and get similar but different (and copyright free!) image
I bet the function will get only better with the time

« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2023, 19:41 »
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All I am saying is, that I just wish that all stock photographers who has relied on this income as I did, will better stop doing it asap. And try suplement it while there are still few months left of money coming in.


We can agree with that. As I said, stock photographers rehashing old concepts will have to give up.

But really new content, creative content that only humans can invent, will still be needed, and it will be better valued than today, when it's drowned into a see of replicas.
This is a drawing I made yesterday during an AI centric presentation made by McKinsey group,

Please, tell us more about the story behind your drawing.

I think it's self explanatory. Today AI has a support function, while the core of the work is done by people.

Tomorrow, the core of the work will be done by AI, while people will support the AI (training, creative input, strategy changes, etc).

Besides the drawing, the fact is that today, a large part of the office jobs (~40%) are only demanding from people to follow relatively simple procedures, to understand the rules of the system, to avoid mistakes...
Zero creativity, but 9-5, bonus, team-buildings, health-care coverage, etc

All these jobs will disappear.
AI will do all that 24/7, better, faster and much cheaper.

So, requalification, skills upgrade, creativity are mandatory for those who want to survive.
Hopefully, the productivity increase through automation will generate enough growth to maintain the area of the core and the donut about the same, offering enough employment to those willing to change.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2023, 19:44 by Zero Talent »

Annie2022

« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2023, 20:14 »
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All I am saying is, that I just wish that all stock photographers who has relied on this income as I did, will better stop doing it asap. And try suplement it while there are still few months left of money coming in.


We can agree with that. As I said, stock photographers rehashing old concepts will have to give up.

But really new content, creative content that only humans can invent, will still be needed, and it will be better valued than today, when it's drowned into a see of replicas.
This is a drawing I made yesterday during an AI centric presentation made by McKinsey group,

Please, tell us more about the story behind your drawing.

I think it's self explanatory. Today AI has a support function, while the core of the work is done by people.

Tomorrow, the core of the work will be done by AI, while people will support the AI (training, creative input, strategy changes, etc).

Besides the drawing, the fact is that today, a large part of the office jobs (~40%) are only demanding from people to follow relatively simple procedures, to understand the rules of the system, to avoid mistakes...
Zero creativity, but 9-5, bonus, team-buildings, health-care coverage, etc

All these jobs will disappear.
AI will do all that 24/7, better, faster and much cheaper.

So, requalification, skills upgrade, creativity are mandatory for those who want to survive.
Hopefully, the productivity increase through automation will generate enough growth to maintain the area of the core and the donut about the same, offering enough employment to those willing to change.

Thanks!

You mentioned creativity. After motivating myself to get back into the mockups market, I was studying up last night on how to manage market saturation. And one of the ways to stay ahead is creativity:

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Even in light of market saturation, many companies choose to remain in operation. When a company operates in a saturated market, there are a few concepts and strategies that they can use to stand out, stay solvent, and possibly even increase sales. The first is creativity. A company's product or service offering has to be more innovative in a saturated market than its competitors to entice customers to buy.

Creativity is the one thing that AI cannot be.

I am sorry to hear you say above:

"I will just go along with it for as long as it will last, as I always said since I first started, about 10 years ago.
Moreover, I have no plans to become part of that small percentage of surviving photographers, even if they will end up being in high demand and better paid than today."


Your work is brilliant and it will be a sad loss.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2023, 20:16 by Annie »


 

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