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« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2024, 12:15 »
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Despite doing the same amount of downloads I do every month (around 120), my earnings from those DL's were about 45% down from previous months. My downloads and earnings on Adobe are where I expect them to be.


« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2024, 15:59 »
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How's your video sales on SS compared to pre-video sub January 2020?  Is it like 1/4 of January 2020?

January, 2020 was literally 10x higher than January, 2024.

184 sales in January, 2020 vs 95 last month, so I don't think the subscriptions was the ultimate culprit.

Wow.  Thanks for the info.  That pretty much cancels a possibility of me enabling video sales on Shutterstock.  My video sale went down immediately after the video sub intro by 1/2 and now top producer like you're making 1/10?  Not worth it and probably negatively affect my Pond5 sales.

You don't have any video on SS? Pond5 is owned by SS that's the end of them.

« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2024, 16:22 »
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How's your video sales on SS compared to pre-video sub January 2020?  Is it like 1/4 of January 2020?

January, 2020 was literally 10x higher than January, 2024.

184 sales in January, 2020 vs 95 last month, so I don't think the subscriptions was the ultimate culprit.

Wow.  Thanks for the info.  That pretty much cancels a possibility of me enabling video sales on Shutterstock.  My video sale went down immediately after the video sub intro by 1/2 and now top producer like you're making 1/10?  Not worth it and probably negatively affect my Pond5 sales.

You don't have any video on SS? Pond5 is owned by SS that's the end of them.

Everybody knows SS owns Pond5.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2024, 20:08 by blvdone »

« Reply #103 on: February 04, 2024, 22:21 »
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If not happy be mature, stop complainning and quit the place.

As soon as you give me a good alternative how to earn my livelihood I will do that. So far no one was able to and who would quit their job without having an alternative?

We share the same goal, earn a livelihood. And I revised my expectations significantly downwards.
Realize that you kill yourself your own future (and other's) using AI. See you in a near future with more complaints, since I've got ideas about what this leads to, since AI will be soon autonomic. Of course, one could argue that if you don't do it yourself, others will do (Only sheep expect others to act like sheep too) However, I remain convinced that I made the right choice not to provide ANY AI generated fake photo IMAGE (Because yes, they are not photographs, even though the platforms sell them as such).
 
My portfolios are in no way polluted by these images and they will perhaps be spared during the big clean-up (who will come in his time, whether by deleting certain contributor accounts or by the eviction of their images by algorithms, which will lead to the same), since for me, a photograph is a subject (often living), a real place, an existing moment, even the memory of an event, the transmission for the future, the reflection of the organic, a skill resulting from long training, a subtle and sensitive testimony, unsuspected creativity, a personal visual interpretation of reality, but also imperfection, accident, unpredictable, and therefore charm.
 
Is this really the tool you want to use to secure your future????


 I was under the impression this was a thread about Shutterstock and I am pretty sure I specifically talked about my Shutterstock earnings. Shutterstock does not even accept AI images.

So what in the world are you talking about...?

Omg, it's so low level here.
In any case, you did not respond to my message with anything intelligent, that would have surprised me.
Reread the topic, where is written "Adobe Stock" too... yes, the impression -you were under- was fake, as fake as the images you make the machines make by using AI.
 
Forget, have a lovely day, explore your keyboard typing your prompts, I will continue to enjoy exploring and promoting reality by using my eyes.  :D

You just don't make any sense.

Just ignore this guy.  It's the same pattern again and again.  He ridicules people, then when get a harsh response, he plays a victim.  There are a few others here with the same pattern.  I ignore all of them.  It's a waste of time.  They don't add anything valuable to the conversation and never started a valuable conversation.  Pathetic.  I only deal with the vast majority of sane people with good manner. 
« Last Edit: February 09, 2024, 16:51 by blvdone »

« Reply #104 on: February 06, 2024, 10:29 »
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I haven't uploaded a photo in SS for a year... Of course, first reason is - 10c per photo is ridiculous, but the other reason is that, even with that small commision my photos get sometimes rejected... in iStockPhoto I still send photos sometimes, as they at least accept everything, and somehow I get better income from iStock, comparable with SS when they still had 38 cents.

I am still trying to find out why SS did that... Did they want to remove all small photo contributors from the site, or to earn something? I don't know. I guess only big contributors stayed there, but even then, they can not cover everything....

« Reply #105 on: February 06, 2024, 10:56 »
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The problem is, new content is almost impossible to sell.
I think that their politics to accept everything to become the largest database in the world has led the to purposely hide the new content. Accepting everything means that they accept even sh*t. I've seen ports that are beyond any imagination, and I'm speaking of 100K+ ports that really should not even exist.
What do you do if the search engine shows such a shame? You make that the search only shows popular and bestseller images. But how can a content become popular if it just does not exist when you search for it? The beginning of this disaster was in late 2016 and we're still paying those brilliant ideas.

« Reply #106 on: February 06, 2024, 15:09 »
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are anybody recieve payment from shutterstock this month?
usualy 3-5 of the month
but this month no letters no money

« Reply #107 on: February 06, 2024, 21:23 »
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What's with all these youtubers heavily promoting Shutterstock in their videos? They make all sorts of crazy claims in their videos about making ridiculously high amounts of money in a relatively short space of time. And typically, no mention of the negative aspects like the 10c subs or the annual level resets. I guess they do it for the views. Then you'd get a flood of new contributors wondering why they're not making big dollars on SS. Many of these new contributors probably don't even know how to take a decent photograph or may not be knowledgeable about photography in general. 

« Reply #108 on: February 07, 2024, 08:04 »
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are anybody recieve payment from shutterstock this month?
usualy 3-5 of the month
but this month no letters no money

Nothing yet, not even the payment e-mail... Maybe another glitch...

« Reply #109 on: February 07, 2024, 08:09 »
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What's with all these youtubers heavily promoting Shutterstock in their videos?

Who? Are these recent videos or old ones when things were more profitable?

« Reply #110 on: February 07, 2024, 08:32 »
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i have seen the slump, because of the 0.10 image earn to contributos, no one can live in an inflation with that. so many contributors are not uploading there anymore.

« Reply #111 on: February 07, 2024, 09:11 »
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I'm curious to see the Q4 2023 financial report.

In Q3 2023 Shutterstock lost 56,000 subscribers from 2022 (from 607,000 to 551,000 at the end of September) and 6.4 million paid downloads (from 42.8 to 36.2)

Seeing the results of these first 40 days of 2024 I believe it has lost many more customers. Perhaps there could be some changes in their business model.

« Reply #112 on: February 07, 2024, 11:34 »
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I'm curious to see the Q4 2023 financial report.

In Q3 2023 Shutterstock lost 56,000 subscribers from 2022 (from 607,000 to 551,000 at the end of September) and 6.4 million paid downloads (from 42.8 to 36.2)

Seeing the results of these first 40 days of 2024 I believe it has lost many more customers. Perhaps there could be some changes in their business model.

I am very curious about that as well. I remember reading their statements that they were shifting to be a "data licensing company" for ai training and openly admitted that their stock income was not growing.

They did make 20 million with data licensing, versus 80 million with stock sales.

But the ai tool they are offering customers is pretty useless and they don't have a beautiful ai collection for buyers. If you look at the recent uploads a lot of quality content is no longer supplying them.

Their search results in commercial stock look very weak compared to Adobe.

They still have a good editorial selection and they still have the exclusive video content from pond5, but it looks like pond5 is losing clients as well.

But unless they have new management with a real vision, I doubt their income in stock will grow. They are literally handing it all over to Adobe and Getty with bad management.

I mean even for data licensing, why should companies license from SS if Adobe has much better content and Getty has lots of exclusive high quality content nobody else has?

So the data licensing market will get shifted to Adobe and Nvidia/Getty.

I am really worried about pond5 imploding. I would very much prefer if they were successful and thriving.


« Reply #113 on: February 07, 2024, 12:32 »
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are anybody recieve payment from shutterstock this month?
usualy 3-5 of the month
but this month no letters no money

I received payment today.

« Reply #114 on: February 07, 2024, 20:16 »
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If not happy be mature, stop complainning and quit the place.

As soon as you give me a good alternative how to earn my livelihood I will do that. So far no one was able to and who would quit their job without having an alternative?

We share the same goal, earn a livelihood. And I revised my expectations significantly downwards.
Realize that you kill yourself your own future (and other's) using AI. See you in a near future with more complaints, since I've got ideas about what this leads to, since AI will be soon autonomic. Of course, one could argue that if you don't do it yourself, others will do (Only sheep expect others to act like sheep too) However, I remain convinced that I made the right choice not to provide ANY AI generated fake photo IMAGE (Because yes, they are not photographs, even though the platforms sell them as such).
 
My portfolios are in no way polluted by these images and they will perhaps be spared during the big clean-up (who will come in his time, whether by deleting certain contributor accounts or by the eviction of their images by algorithms, which will lead to the same), since for me, a photograph is a subject (often living), a real place, an existing moment, even the memory of an event, the transmission for the future, the reflection of the organic, a skill resulting from long training, a subtle and sensitive testimony, unsuspected creativity, a personal visual interpretation of reality, but also imperfection, accident, unpredictable, and therefore charm.
 
Is this really the tool you want to use to secure your future????


 I was under the impression this was a thread about Shutterstock and I am pretty sure I specifically talked about my Shutterstock earnings. Shutterstock does not even accept AI images.

So what in the world are you talking about...?

Omg, it's so low level here.
In any case, you did not respond to my message with anything intelligent, that would have surprised me.
Reread the topic, where is written "Adobe Stock" too... yes, the impression -you were under- was fake, as fake as the images you make the machines make by using AI.
 
Forget, have a lovely day, explore your keyboard typing your prompts, I will continue to enjoy exploring and promoting reality by using my eyes.  :D

You just don't make any sense.

Just ignore this guy.  It's the same pattern again and again.  He ridicule people, then when get a harsh response, he plays a victim.  There are a few others here with the same pattern.  I ignore all of them.  It's a waste of time.  They don't add anything valuable to the conversation and never started a valuable conversation.  Pathetic.  I only deal with the vast majority of sane people with good manner.

How do you answer and quote someone you have on ignore if you can't see them?

« Reply #115 on: February 07, 2024, 23:28 »
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What's with all these youtubers heavily promoting Shutterstock in their videos?

Who? Are these recent videos or old ones when things were more profitable?

I'm not noticing as many these days but some were still being produced and uploaded after SS made the commission changes.

« Reply #116 on: February 09, 2024, 07:57 »
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I see what you mean, I'll take that advice.

He writes to answer his own messages.


« Reply #117 on: February 09, 2024, 13:48 »
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Well, hopefully this is a new trend, but here on day 9 of February, and I've already surpassed all of January in sales/income for SS.

Fingers crossed...
« Last Edit: February 09, 2024, 21:27 by odesigns »

« Reply #118 on: February 09, 2024, 16:50 »
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Well, hopefully this is a new trend, but here on day 9 of February, and I've already surpassed all of January in sales/income.

Fingers crossed...

You mean on Shutterstock?  I only sell photos on Shutterstock, but as of now, I'm at 1/4 of January revenue on Shutterstock.  So, it's not getting better.

« Reply #119 on: February 10, 2024, 07:45 »
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The problem is, new content is almost impossible to sell.
I think that their politics to accept everything to become the largest database in the world has led the to purposely hide the new content. Accepting everything means that they accept even sh*t. I've seen ports that are beyond any imagination, and I'm speaking of 100K+ ports that really should not even exist.
What do you do if the search engine shows such a shame? You make that the search only shows popular and bestseller images. But how can a content become popular if it just does not exist when you search for it? The beginning of this disaster was in late 2016 and we're still paying those brilliant ideas.

I fully agree with you that accepting everything of course leads to rubbish. But basically ShutterStock started to destroy the industry in the first place, by making downloads so cheap. That leads to mass production and acceptation of everything. So quantity above quality. My problem with SS is that they were going for both: and quantity and quality and that does not go together. So that is an additional push back.

If you make chip downloads and mass production, than allow everything, because for photographers to make any revenue, they need you upload bunch of everything. If you do not do that, it will make the death of stock faster. It will otherwise dye anyway, just slower. 

So, they are now finishing what they started when they appeared - take the market, take the money, destroy everything and run. But hopefully Adobe has seen what happens and still hold the line somehow, making the death of whole market a bit slower...

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #120 on: February 10, 2024, 11:38 »
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What's with all these youtubers heavily promoting Shutterstock in their videos?

Who? Are these recent videos or old ones when things were more profitable?

I'm not noticing as many these days but some were still being produced and uploaded after SS made the commission changes.

I bet they have referral links on the videos? That's the main reason for the hype.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #121 on: February 10, 2024, 11:46 »
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But basically ShutterStock started to destroy the industry in the first place, by making downloads so cheap. That leads to mass production and acceptation of everything.

You mean Microstock or Subscriptions or both?

« Reply #122 on: February 12, 2024, 07:42 »
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How's your video sales on SS compared to pre-video sub January 2020?  Is it like 1/4 of January 2020?

January, 2020 was literally 10x higher than January, 2024.

184 sales in January, 2020 vs 95 last month, so I don't think the subscriptions was the ultimate culprit.

Wow.  Thanks for the info.  That pretty much cancels a possibility of me enabling video sales on Shutterstock.  My video sale went down immediately after the video sub intro by 1/2 and now top producer like you're making 1/10?  Not worth it and probably negatively affect my Pond5 sales.

You don't have any video on SS? Pond5 is owned by SS that's the end of them.

It's the genius type who hate SS, hate AS, hate all other except Pond 5, owned by SS. They remove all of their video and go Pond 5 exclusive to help make SS rich. Then come here every day to tell how terrible video sales are at the rest.


 

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