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« on: August 23, 2012, 11:25 »
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I just received the following e-mail from SS:

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Dear Ploink,

For your future editorial submissions that are taken at events, we will need credentials from the event organizers that allow you permission to take commercial photography at the event.  You can email these credentials to "credentials@shutterstock.com" prior to submitting your images.  Let us know if you have any additional questions.  Best Regards, Shutterstock Content Operations

If you have any questions, please contact support at submit@shutterstock.com

Thank You.

--ShutterStock Support
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Anybody else got this?  ???


« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2012, 11:29 »
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no and I had a few editorial approved just days ago, I believe it has to do with the dimension of the event and this turned up because somebody pulled their ears ;D

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102160
« Last Edit: August 23, 2012, 11:31 by luissantos84 »


« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2012, 12:44 »
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I have submitted editorial photos from professional sports events to Shutterstock since 2008 and this is the first time they want this - still can't believe that they need this now  ???


« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2012, 13:03 »
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It is not easy to acquire photo passes.  In music it is not uncommon to have to sign a waiver or contract with the band ensuring that we will only use the images for the publication approved for the pass.  With the evolution of phone cameras and point and shoots the quality of fan photos is getting better and better.  This leads me to believe that agencies are at risk by allowing illegally obtained photos to be put up for sale.  If I had to guess they probably got a cease and desist letter from a lawyer that gave them a fright.  I've seen images of bands in the SS database that I know for a fact do not allow the syndication of their images without explicit written permission.  If you are shooting from the stands, you are taking a risk.  If you had permission to be there and to shoot then simply re-upload and attach a link to your pass.  No problem!

Mat

I have tried here in Portugal to get a pass to a big music festival called Optimus Alive and nothing happenned, pretty much I have emailed and phone them like 10x times and their reply first was that I was calling too soon, other that I need to call other services, other that I need to wait etc.. excuses and excuses.. I was trying the red carpet at SS but I had no details from the festival because they havent told me anything so I couldnt provide any details for SS.. very upsetting and makes me think that the cool music gigs are only for people already inside that business

WarrenPrice

« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2012, 13:07 »
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It is not easy to acquire photo passes.  In music it is not uncommon to have to sign a waiver or contract with the band ensuring that we will only use the images for the publication approved for the pass.  With the evolution of phone cameras and point and shoots the quality of fan photos is getting better and better.  This leads me to believe that agencies are at risk by allowing illegally obtained photos to be put up for sale.  If I had to guess they probably got a cease and desist letter from a lawyer that gave them a fright.  I've seen images of bands in the SS database that I know for a fact do not allow the syndication of their images without explicit written permission.  If you are shooting from the stands, you are taking a risk.  If you had permission to be there and to shoot then simply re-upload and attach a link to your pass.  No problem!

Mat



I have tried here in Portugal to get a pass to a big music festival called Optimus Alive and nothing happenned, pretty much I have emailed and phone them like 10x times and their reply first was that I was calling too soon, other that I need to call other services, other that I need to wait etc.. excuses and excuses.. I was trying the red carpet at SS but I had no details from the festival because they havent told me anything so I couldnt provide any details for SS.. very upsetting and makes me think that the cool music gigs are only for people already inside that business

My personal opinion is that they are pushing their Red Carpet program.  Getting credentials thru them has some long-term restrictions.

As for credentials -- I'm not sure what they want to see.  Will an email from promoter work?
So far, I've not been asked to provide credentials. 
Also -- what about my images from 1982?  Will I need to provide credentials or would "tear-sheets" suffice?
Hmmmmmmmmmm...
 ???
« Last Edit: August 23, 2012, 13:10 by WarrenPrice »

« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2012, 13:11 »
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Warren the "problem" of the Red Carpet is that you need to provide the details of the event, you need to contact the event production and ask what they request to get a pass etc etc

basically it would be cool that SS do that for us

Special event coverage and celebrity shots are always in great demand with photo buyers. Shutterstock is here to help get you and your camera close to the action! Whether it be backstage at a concert or in the press pit of a political or sporting event, Shutterstock can help. All we ask is that you fill out the form below (one form per event please!) along with the completed documentation you received from the event organizer or media department.

We understand that each event may have different requirementsso the more details you give us, the more effective we can be. For example, is a reference letter on company letterhead required? Do event organizers require information on how Shutterstock licenses images? The more information we have, the easier it will be to get you access to that special event. Remember, we cannot guarantee that you will be granted access, but we will take all reasonable steps to help you capture the images you want for your Shutterstock portfolio.

To participate in Shutterstock's On The Red Carpet program, you must agree to license the resulting photos through Shutterstock exclusively for two (2) years.

Please enter the following information in order to generate an application to send to us. Remember, one application per event. If you have several events planned, please fill out a separate form for each event. A Shutterstock On the Red Carpet team member will get back to you within 24 hours.


http://submit.shutterstock.com/red_carpet.mhtml

« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2012, 13:11 »
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My point is not about not having the credentials - as I have them - it's about jumping through yet another hoop... :P

« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2012, 13:12 »
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My point is not about having the credentials - as I have them - it's about jumping through yet another hoop... :P

come on, you have them....

WarrenPrice

« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2012, 13:14 »
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Warren the "problem" of the Red Carpet is that you need to provide the details of the event, you need to contact the event production and ask what they request to get me a pass etc etc

basically it would be cool that SS do that for us


Getting credentials isn't the problem, Luis.  I've worked for sports media since 1980.  I can usually "just walk in."  My confusion is about providing proof to SS ... they don't know me.   ::)

« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2012, 13:15 »
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Warren the "problem" of the Red Carpet is that you need to provide the details of the event, you need to contact the event production and ask what they request to get me a pass etc etc

basically it would be cool that SS do that for us


Getting credentials isn't the problem, Luis.  I've worked for sports media since 1980.  I can usually "just walk in."  My confusion is about providing proof to SS ... they don't know me.   ::)

like Mat said you pretty much shoot the credentials/pass and show them, dont understand how hard that is
« Last Edit: August 23, 2012, 13:18 by luissantos84 »

WarrenPrice

« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2012, 13:18 »
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Warren the "problem" of the Red Carpet is that you need to provide the details of the event, you need to contact the event production and ask what they request to get me a pass etc etc

basically it would be cool that SS do that for us


Getting credentials isn't the problem, Luis.  I've worked for sports media since 1980.  I can usually "just walk in."  My confusion is about providing proof to SS ... they don't know me.   ::)

like Mat said you pretty much shoot the credentials/pass and show them, dont understand how hard that it

What "Pass?"  At motocross race they issue me a vest that says either "PRESS" or "PHOTOGRAPHER."  Am I suppose to photograph myself?

 ??? ::) ;D

« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2012, 13:18 »
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Getting credentials isn't the problem, Luis.  I've worked for sports media since 1980.  I can usually "just walk in."  My confusion is about providing proof to SS ... they don't know me.   ::)

That's exactly the point, there are places where I don't need credentials because people know me, there are places where you are just given your photo vest at the beginning of the event and return it afterwards, there are places where the "credentials" are just an e-mail in a foreign language - german in my case. So, no, I don't see this as a minor annoyance...

« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2012, 13:19 »
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Warren the "problem" of the Red Carpet is that you need to provide the details of the event, you need to contact the event production and ask what they request to get me a pass etc etc

basically it would be cool that SS do that for us


Getting credentials isn't the problem, Luis.  I've worked for sports media since 1980.  I can usually "just walk in."  My confusion is about providing proof to SS ... they don't know me.   ::)

like Mat said you pretty much shoot the credentials/pass and show them, dont understand how hard that it

What "Pass?"  At motocross race they issue me a vest that says either "PRESS" or "PHOTOGRAPHER."  Am I suppose to photograph myself?

 ??? ::) ;D

you dont have a paper? ok they know you but sure there is some proof and registration of that event

WarrenPrice

« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2012, 13:25 »
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Warren the "problem" of the Red Carpet is that you need to provide the details of the event, you need to contact the event production and ask what they request to get me a pass etc etc

basically it would be cool that SS do that for us


Getting credentials isn't the problem, Luis.  I've worked for sports media since 1980.  I can usually "just walk in."  My confusion is about providing proof to SS ... they don't know me.   ::)

like Mat said you pretty much shoot the credentials/pass and show them, dont understand how hard that it

What "Pass?"  At motocross race they issue me a vest that says either "PRESS" or "PHOTOGRAPHER."  Am I suppose to photograph myself?

 ??? ::) ;D

you dont have a paper? ok they know you but sure there is some proof and registration of that event

NOPE!!  I could submit a tear-sheet with my article and images ... but that is usually 90 days after the event.  Or, they could read my blogs (or the event blog), which does not specify any authorization.
As a matter of fact -- publications give me credit and pay me but no where do they say -- "Warren Price was Authorized to take these pictures. "  :P

PS: there have been times when I got emails from event organizers, asking if I was covering their event. 
Would that be "credentials?"   ;D

« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2012, 13:32 »
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I dont know jack about credentials etc but I can understand your pain, for sure somebody from SS will show up and help us out

my 1st attempt to shoot a big festival was a big failure due to the event production replies, I will be moving to the UK in a near future and I would love to do a few (if not a ton) concerts and other, will see how this goes


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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2012, 13:40 »
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I have been to some events where you can buy your own pass. All it is, is a different colored wrist band. Forget the extra hoop. I will stick with Alamy for news and editorial.

« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2012, 13:47 »
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I have been to some events where you can buy your own pass. All it is, is a different colored wrist band. Forget the extra hoop. I will stick with Alamy for news and editorial.

Problem is, while I yet have to sell an editorial sports photo at Alamy, they are selling very well at SS...
« Last Edit: August 23, 2012, 13:59 by Ploink »

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2012, 13:50 »
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I have been to some events where you can buy your own pass. All it is, is a different colored wrist band. Forget the extra hoop. I will stick with Alamy for news and editorial.

Problem is, while I yet have to sell an editorial sports photo at Alamy, they are selling very good at SS...

Well then, I guess whoever you get permission from... maybe write up a paper for them to sign if they will. Like those events, I was not into Photography then but I knew who ran things. Just type some type of Clearance statement up and have them sign. Only you can say if the extra steps are worth it to you.


« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2012, 14:35 »
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Just add a note stating who your credentials were issued through if you don't have a physical pass.  I would speculate that motorcross events won't be as stringently monitored as NFL, MLB and major music acts. 

I've been issued the NFL vest too but they also give you a lanyard with the date and game info on it for security check points. 

As for writing directly to promoters and asking for credentials for nothing other than the sake of taking pictures....good luck.  You have a better chance of winning the lottery I've found in my experience and I do have a lot of experience.  In order to get legit credentials for events you need to have a publication apply on your behalf.  In other words, there needs to be a benefit for the promoter such as media coverage.  Someone mentioned buying a photo pass for an event..I've never seen or heard of that before.  They are always non-transferable and the will call counter holding the passes will undoubtedly ask for your ID.

thanks for sharing Mat but what does SS do? nothing?

« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2012, 14:39 »
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Is it my imagination that SS is the only site that makes you jump through hoops if you don't have the credentials?  I haven't tried any editorial shooting coz SS put me off on it with their requirements for the Red Carpet program.

Wonder if there's a thread on here stating the sites and their editoial requirements.  I'll have to look on that later.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2012, 14:44 »
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Is it my imagination that SS is the only site that makes you jump through hoops if you don't have the credentials?  I haven't tried any editorial shooting coz SS put me off on it with their requirements for the Red Carpet program.

Wonder if there's a thread on here stating the sites and their editoial requirements.  I'll have to look on that later.

You've touched on the point, Anita, that I was trying so inadequately (got too emotional) to make.  SS wants "exclusive rights" to the editorial stuff and attempts to force your acceptance of Red Carpet requirements -- I think that is two years of exclusive use of ALL images taken at an event.

Just sayin'....   :P

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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2012, 14:46 »
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No email here either about credentials.

Now i do know how you can get a press pass if anyone wants to know how?

It does cost a little money but not much compared to some i have found out about.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2012, 14:51 »
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Just add a note stating who your credentials were issued through if you don't have a physical pass.  I would speculate that motorcross events won't be as stringently monitored as NFL, MLB and major music acts. 

I've been issued the NFL vest too but they also give you a lanyard with the date and game info on it for security check points. 

As for writing directly to promoters and asking for credentials for nothing other than the sake of taking pictures....good luck.  You have a better chance of winning the lottery I've found in my experience and I do have a lot of experience.  In order to get legit credentials for events you need to have a publication apply on your behalf.  In other words, there needs to be a benefit for the promoter such as media coverage.  Someone mentioned buying a photo pass for an event..I've never seen or heard of that before.  They are always non-transferable and the will call counter holding the passes will undoubtedly ask for your ID.


Dang, Mat, I think you just insulted a Legend.   ;D ;D ;D
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-photography-discussion/legendary-photographers/msg262624/#msg262624

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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2012, 15:04 »
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Is it my imagination that SS is the only site that makes you jump through hoops if you don't have the credentials?
Nope, iStock requires permission, and have a form you're supposed to get signed, but the form is still unavailable to download.
I've had pics rejected when they were taken in a public event in a public park.
Most places I've written to to try to get permission don't get back to me; some say no-one can grant permission as none is needed (public space) a few have wanted to know which publications I'll be submitting to, and they're not interested in stock libraries.
At a couple of local events, I've noticed that the local press is a or even the major sponsor, so I guess I can't compete with that! They get their money back by selling prints to participants through their offices. That's for special access, even in public spaces.


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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2012, 15:17 »
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I was trying to get info a long time ago to try the Red Carpet thing... for a WWE Wrestling Event. I got snobbied on just for trying to get contact info as a "freelance photojournalist".

Just now, I got info for a Dragon Boat race in my area and was welcomed with open arms and they are familiar with my work (How? I don't know).

So it can be a hit and miss thing. I aim at smaller events and let the others fight for position at major events. Like the weekend Mumford &Sons (bluegrass music?) was in Bristol, Tn... I knew there were going to be photos and photographers everywhere. That same weekend, I covered a local African American Festival. 3 photographers and 1 news camera getting shots. 1 Photog was for the news, The other guy I don't know but suspect for the Festival Promotion for next year... then me for stock. I had no problem with the Event Coordinators even when they changed their schedule 3 times and I was bugging them with where and what times for certain things. Pick and choose your battles I guess.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2012, 15:46 by LSD72 »

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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2012, 15:43 »
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Is it my imagination that SS is the only site that makes you jump through hoops if you don't have the credentials?
Nope, iStock requires permission, and have a form you're supposed to get signed, but the form is still unavailable to download.
I've had pics rejected when they were taken in a public event in a public park.
Most places I've written to to try to get permission don't get back to me; some say no-one can grant permission as none is needed (public space) a few have wanted to know which publications I'll be submitting to, and they're not interested in stock libraries.
At a couple of local events, I've noticed that the local press is a or even the major sponsor, so I guess I can't compete with that! They get their money back by selling prints to participants through their offices. That's for special access, even in public spaces.
Get a press pass.

« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2012, 15:53 »
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Is it my imagination that SS is the only site that makes you jump through hoops if you don't have the credentials?
Nope, iStock requires permission, and have a form you're supposed to get signed, but the form is still unavailable to download.
I've had pics rejected when they were taken in a public event in a public park.
Most places I've written to to try to get permission don't get back to me; some say no-one can grant permission as none is needed (public space) a few have wanted to know which publications I'll be submitting to, and they're not interested in stock libraries.
At a couple of local events, I've noticed that the local press is a or even the major sponsor, so I guess I can't compete with that! They get their money back by selling prints to participants through their offices. That's for special access, even in public spaces.
Get a press pass.

thats was a useful entry thank you lol

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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2012, 16:05 »
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Is it my imagination that SS is the only site that makes you jump through hoops if you don't have the credentials?
Nope, iStock requires permission, and have a form you're supposed to get signed, but the form is still unavailable to download.
I've had pics rejected when they were taken in a public event in a public park.
Most places I've written to to try to get permission don't get back to me; some say no-one can grant permission as none is needed (public space) a few have wanted to know which publications I'll be submitting to, and they're not interested in stock libraries.
At a couple of local events, I've noticed that the local press is a or even the major sponsor, so I guess I can't compete with that! They get their money back by selling prints to participants through their offices. That's for special access, even in public spaces.
Get a press pass.

thats was a useful entry thank you lol
Well she said
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I've noticed that the local press is a or even the major sponsor, so I guess I can't compete with that!
and i just said to get a press pass.

With a press pass she will be able to compete and go where no others can!

« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2012, 16:11 »
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But Barry SS won't let me do the Red Carpet program coz I don't have people photos so they're not going to let me into that because of it.  And yeah Red Carpet events are 2 year exclusive with SS which I don't think I could justify in doing anyway.

I would just have to figure out how to get said press pass and upload it with the images.

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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2012, 16:22 »
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But Barry SS won't let me do the Red Carpet program coz I don't have people photos so they're not going to let me into that because of it.  And yeah Red Carpet events are 2 year exclusive with SS which I don't think I could justify in doing anyway.

I would just have to figure out how to get said press pass and upload it with the images.
I know Anita i read the post before.

But anyone can get a press pass easily and it will give you access to where they let the press only, and you should be able to submit editorials as long as you show proof of the press pass.

And dont forget not everything requires credentials for editorial.

ShadySue

« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2012, 17:02 »
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thats was a useful entry thank you lol
Well she said
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I've noticed that the local press is a or even the major sponsor, so I guess I can't compete with that!
and i just said to get a press pass.
With a press pass she will be able to compete and go where no others can!
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Any suggestions about how to get one in the UK? Seems like it's a closed shop.
Does a 'press pass' grant universal entry to anything? I'm imagining that if a local paper has paid thousands to sponsor an event, they're not going to be very chuffed if some fly-by-night appears flashing a press pass.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2012, 17:49 »
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thats was a useful entry thank you lol
Well she said
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I've noticed that the local press is a or even the major sponsor, so I guess I can't compete with that!
and i just said to get a press pass.
With a press pass she will be able to compete and go where no others can!
Any suggestions about how to get one in the UK? Seems like it's a closed shop.
Does a 'press pass' grant universal entry to anything? I'm imagining that if a local paper has paid thousands to sponsor an event, they're not going to be very chuffed if some fly-by-night appears flashing a press pass.
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Good points, Sue and very important points.
When I was a working member of the media I had a "Press Pass" issued by that publication.  That only verified that I was a member of that staff.  "Credentials" are issued by the event sponsors.  A "Press Pass" gets you nothing.  You still need to request credentials.
I would write, using media letterhead (this was in the day of typewriters), to request credentials.  Based on that request, I would receive a "media kit" prior to the event.
At the event, I would report to "will call" or something similar where I would offer my "Press Pass" to verify my identity.  They would issue Vests or a necklace that would identify me as such and authorize me unlimited access to the track and identify me to the racing teams.

That has changed slightly since the invention of internet.  Most people have a media outlet request credentials from an event for specific personnel (me or you) in exchange for exclusive rights to the product (article or photographs.)  That is a lot like the Red Carpet approach. 

If you freelance you can offer your material to several publications -- but that is called "working on spec."  You do not get expense money and have no guarantee of getting paid or published. 
Also, it is up to you to secure credentials from the event promoter.  That is difficult unless the event promoter know you or of you and your work.
The advantage is that you can sell your stuff when and wherever you like, including STOCK. 

Hope I am not stating the obvious or being too BORING.   :o ;D

ShadySue

« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2012, 17:57 »
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Not boring, but I did know the generalities of what you said.
Rux seemed to imply that it was easy to get a press pass, and from what I know and what you said, it certainly isn't so in the UK. Also, newspapers are so used to people sending in photos of everything from events to news for free, they hardly need stringers.

But anyway, to the OP, assuming you can't get credentials, and assuming that you are shooting in a place where it's allowed (a street festival, or a music sports event in a public park or other public place etc., according to what's allowed in your country) just send them to Alamy. However, if it's scuddy pics of the Ginger Prince, the UK media won't publish them (other than a Scottish website, apparently).

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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2012, 19:36 »
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Not boring, but I did know the generalities of what you said.
Rux seemed to imply that it was easy to get a press pass, and from what I know and what you said, it certainly isn't so in the UK. Also, newspapers are so used to people sending in photos of everything from events to news for free, they hardly need stringers.

But anyway, to the OP, assuming you can't get credentials, and assuming that you are shooting in a place where it's allowed (a street festival, or a music sports event in a public park or other public place etc., according to what's allowed in your country) just send them to Alamy. However, if it's scuddy pics of the Ginger Prince, the UK media won't publish them (other than a Scottish website, apparently).
Here this is for international as well as the States and Canada.

http://nppa.org/about_us/why_join/who_can_join.html

There is also another organization that will also help you get to events in your area and pay you to shoot for them plus you get the pictures for yourself as well.

http://picturestock.com/phpcode/web/press_pass.php

In the States a press pass will get you places that other photogs aren't allowed without any hassle from police.


« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2012, 19:49 »
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There is also another organization that will also help you get to events in your area and pay you to shoot for them plus you get the pictures for yourself as well.
http://picturestock.com/phpcode/web/press_pass.php


seriously? it looks like the biggest scam ever, is that for real? we will pay to have pictures online for sale? 50 cents?

I am lost and perplex

WarrenPrice

« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2012, 20:05 »
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There is also another organization that will also help you get to events in your area and pay you to shoot for them plus you get the pictures for yourself as well.
http://picturestock.com/phpcode/web/press_pass.php


seriously? it looks like the biggest scam ever, is that for real? we will pay to have pictures online for sale? 50 cents?

I am lost and perplex


When I was a working member of the media I had a "Press Pass" issued by that publication.  That only verified that I was a member of that staff.  "Credentials" are issued by the event sponsors.  A "Press Pass" gets you nothing.  You still need to request credentials.

Credentials come from the event organizers.  Anybody can have a Press Pass.  Just Make Your Own.  

« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2012, 20:06 »
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I have frequently shot photos at the Phoenix Marathon and at the Phoenix Ironman.  They close down the streets in my neighborhood and the athletes come right by my house.  The events are held entirely in public spaces.  Neither organization has a way to request press credentials.

Some of the images have sold regularly on SS.  

So am I just out of luck now?

« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2012, 20:15 »
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There is also another organization that will also help you get to events in your area and pay you to shoot for them plus you get the pictures for yourself as well.
http://picturestock.com/phpcode/web/press_pass.php


seriously? it looks like the biggest scam ever, is that for real? we will pay to have pictures online for sale? 50 cents?

I am lost and perplex


When I was a working member of the media I had a "Press Pass" issued by that publication.  That only verified that I was a member of that staff.  "Credentials" are issued by the event sponsors.  A "Press Pass" gets you nothing.  You still need to request credentials.

Credentials come from the event organizers.  Anybody can have a Press Pass.  Just Make Your Own.  


 ;D just googled and found leaf saying the same thing at DPCallenge (hope there is no problem to post it here)

12/05/2006 03:37:07 AM #4   
i think i remember a discussion about this a while back on here perhaps or on another forum. It seemed more like a scam to get you to dish out the $$ to get one of their 'press passes'. then supposedly they might sell some of your pictures. You might do better, making your own press pass out of plastic and cardboard and shooting for alamy...... or contacting the local paper for gigs.

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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2012, 20:19 »
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There is also another organization that will also help you get to events in your area and pay you to shoot for them plus you get the pictures for yourself as well.
http://picturestock.com/phpcode/web/press_pass.php


seriously? it looks like the biggest scam ever, is that for real? we will pay to have pictures online for sale? 50 cents?

I am lost and perplex


When I was a working member of the media I had a "Press Pass" issued by that publication.  That only verified that I was a member of that staff.  "Credentials" are issued by the event sponsors.  A "Press Pass" gets you nothing.  You still need to request credentials.

Credentials come from the event organizers.  Anybody can have a Press Pass.  Just Make Your Own.  


 ;D just googled and found leaf saying the same thing at DPCallenge (hope there is no problem to post it here)

12/05/2006 03:37:07 AM #4   
i think i remember a discussion about this a while back on here perhaps or on another forum. It seemed more like a scam to get you to dish out the $$ to get one of their 'press passes'. then supposedly they might sell some of your pictures. You might do better, making your own press pass out of plastic and cardboard and shooting for alamy...... or contacting the local paper for gigs.
Understand the part of the credentials but when you dont need credentials for lets say a national disaster like earthquakes, hurricanes or tornadoes a recognizable press pass will get you into the area that no others can get into except for the press and newspapers.

ShadySue

« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2012, 20:27 »
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There is also another organization that will also help you get to events in your area and pay you to shoot for them plus you get the pictures for yourself as well.
http://picturestock.com/phpcode/web/press_pass.php


seriously? it looks like the biggest scam ever, is that for real? we will pay to have pictures online for sale? 50 cents?

I am lost and perplex


When I was a working member of the media I had a "Press Pass" issued by that publication.  That only verified that I was a member of that staff.  "Credentials" are issued by the event sponsors.  A "Press Pass" gets you nothing.  You still need to request credentials.

Credentials come from the event organizers.  Anybody can have a Press Pass.  Just Make Your Own.  


 ;D just googled and found leaf saying the same thing at DPCallenge (hope there is no problem to post it here)

12/05/2006 03:37:07 AM #4   
i think i remember a discussion about this a while back on here perhaps or on another forum. It seemed more like a scam to get you to dish out the $$ to get one of their 'press passes'. then supposedly they might sell some of your pictures. You might do better, making your own press pass out of plastic and cardboard and shooting for alamy...... or contacting the local paper for gigs.
Understand the part of the credentials but when you dont need credentials for lets say a national disaster like earthquakes, hurricanes or tornadoes a recognizable press pass will get you into the area that no others can get into except for the press and newspapers.

Can't imagine that NPPA thing would carry the least bit of weight in Glasgow (no-one would recognise it), but OTOH, they don't tend to get earthquakes, hurricane or tornadoes there either (but I know what you meant, fire, flood, seige).

Maybe I could just get a hi-vis vest (yuck), my iScotalypse lanyard and stick a card saying Press in my hatband. (Memo to self: get a hat with a hatband).

ShadySue

« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2012, 20:35 »
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I have frequently shot photos at the Phoenix Marathon and at the Phoenix Ironman.  They close down the streets in my neighborhood and the athletes come right by my house.  The events are held entirely in public spaces.  Neither organization has a way to request press credentials.

Some of the images have sold regularly on SS.  

So am I just out of luck now?

There's always Alamy.  :D

I've read before about this Marathon thing in the US, I think it's been mentioned on iStock.
In the UK, even the Olympic marathons and cycle road races in London were fine for editorial stock, as they were out in the public roads.
Actually, I don't think they can keep you back from disasters in the UK unless they can clearly show that you're hampering the work of the emergency services, which would be the same for a pukka press photographer.

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« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2012, 20:38 »
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There is also another organization that will also help you get to events in your area and pay you to shoot for them plus you get the pictures for yourself as well.
http://picturestock.com/phpcode/web/press_pass.php


seriously? it looks like the biggest scam ever, is that for real? we will pay to have pictures online for sale? 50 cents?

I am lost and perplex


When I was a working member of the media I had a "Press Pass" issued by that publication.  That only verified that I was a member of that staff.  "Credentials" are issued by the event sponsors.  A "Press Pass" gets you nothing.  You still need to request credentials.

Credentials come from the event organizers.  Anybody can have a Press Pass.  Just Make Your Own.  


 ;D just googled and found leaf saying the same thing at DPCallenge (hope there is no problem to post it here)

12/05/2006 03:37:07 AM #4   
i think i remember a discussion about this a while back on here perhaps or on another forum. It seemed more like a scam to get you to dish out the $$ to get one of their 'press passes'. then supposedly they might sell some of your pictures. You might do better, making your own press pass out of plastic and cardboard and shooting for alamy...... or contacting the local paper for gigs.
Understand the part of the credentials but when you dont need credentials for lets say a national disaster like earthquakes, hurricanes or tornadoes a recognizable press pass will get you into the area that no others can get into except for the press and newspapers.

Can't imagine that NPPA thing would carry the least bit of weight in Glasgow (no-one would recognise it), but OTOH, they don't tend to get earthquakes, hurricane or tornadoes there either (but I know what you meant, fire, flood, seige).

Maybe I could just get a hi-vis vest (yuck), my iScotalypse lanyard and stick a card saying Press in my hatband. (Memo to self: get a hat with a hatband).
I caught hell trying to get pictures of where a tornado ripped apart our middle School with all of the local and State police and finally after making numerous phone calls i was allowed in as long as i wore my reflective vest, but if i would have had a press pass to start with there would have been no questions asked and they would have allowed me access without any problems or hassle.

« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2012, 23:31 »
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I have frequently shot photos at the Phoenix Marathon and at the Phoenix Ironman.  They close down the streets in my neighborhood and the athletes come right by my house.  The events are held entirely in public spaces.  Neither organization has a way to request press credentials.

Some of the images have sold regularly on SS.  

So am I just out of luck now?

There's always Alamy.  :D

I've read before about this Marathon thing in the US, I think it's been mentioned on iStock.
In the UK, even the Olympic marathons and cycle road races in London were fine for editorial stock, as they were out in the public roads.
Actually, I don't think they can keep you back from disasters in the UK unless they can clearly show that you're hampering the work of the emergency services, which would be the same for a pukka press photographer.

Yeah but I never seem to sell anything on Alamy.  Guess I'll try SS next time I shoot one and see if the reviewers understand the distinction between the marathons and other events.  I'm guessing "no".



« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2012, 01:29 »
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I just received the following e-mail from SS:

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Dear Ploink,

For your future editorial submissions that are taken at events, we will need credentials from the event organizers that allow you permission to take commercial photography at the event.  You can email these credentials to "credentials@shutterstock.com" prior to submitting your images.  Let us know if you have any additional questions.  Best Regards, Shutterstock Content Operations

If you have any questions, please contact support at submit@shutterstock.com

Thank You.

--ShutterStock Support
----------------------

Anybody else got this?  ???

I was F**ed pretty hard by SS regarding the vintage Public Domain designs/drawings. They did not accept them any more :( despite the fact i have written proof from the original books editure (that is still in business today) saying the designs/ drawings are in PD waved of any copyright.

I don't shoot editorial, but i believe (like in my case) this ''new rule'' will hit hard many contributors.

I still hope SS will not fallow entirely IS path regarding approving images criteria.

ShadySue

« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2012, 07:49 »
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I just received the following e-mail from SS:

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Dear Ploink,

For your future editorial submissions that are taken at events, we will need credentials from the event organizers that allow you permission to take commercial photography at the event.  You can email these credentials to "credentials@shutterstock.com" prior to submitting your images.  Let us know if you have any additional questions.  Best Regards, Shutterstock Content Operations

If you have any questions, please contact support at submit@shutterstock.com

Thank You.

--ShutterStock Support
----------------------

Anybody else got this?  ???

I was F**ed pretty hard by SS regarding the vintage Public Domain designs/drawings. They did not accept them any more :( despite the fact i have written proof from the original books editure (that is still in business today) saying the designs/ drawings are in PD waved of any copyright.

I don't shoot editorial, but i believe (like in my case) this ''new rule'' will hit hard many contributors.

I still hope SS will not fallow entirely IS path regarding approving images criteria.

There seems to be quite a number of iStock contributors doing well with these.

RacePhoto

« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2012, 22:18 »
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There is also another organization that will also help you get to events in your area and pay you to shoot for them plus you get the pictures for yourself as well.
http://picturestock.com/phpcode/web/press_pass.php


seriously? it looks like the biggest scam ever, is that for real? we will pay to have pictures online for sale? 50 cents?

I am lost and perplex


When I was a working member of the media I had a "Press Pass" issued by that publication.  That only verified that I was a member of that staff.  "Credentials" are issued by the event sponsors.  A "Press Pass" gets you nothing.  You still need to request credentials.

Credentials come from the event organizers.  Anybody can have a Press Pass.  Just Make Your Own. 


Yes, and some people have vivid imaginations of showing some "Press Pass" and walking into some event. Pick me up off the floor, that went out with the cub photographers and B&W movies in the 50s. Maybe at an accident scene and even then, the police don't have to honor anything, it's their protected area. In the digital era and with computers what they are, anyone can make their own Press Pass. They are worthless! It won't even get you in the gate.

Don't forget your vest: "All workers within the right-of-way of a Federal-aid highway who are exposed either to traffic (vehicles using the highway for purposes of travel) or to construction equipment within the work area shall wear high-visibility safety apparel." OSHA 2009 This includes public safety workers, fire, police, and anyone else. That would mean, news photographers.  :)

No letter from an editor of a media outlet and you might as well be shooting through the fences with a ticket. I haven't seen an event in a decade that didn't say "freelance applications will be refused" Here's an example, please read before saying something silly like, "oh you can buy a pass"  >:(  "No freelance requests. If you are not on assignment, we will not issue you a credential."

http://sebringraceway.com/pdfs/Media_Credential_Application.pdf

Yes people like Warren and locals, employees, stock holders, team owners friends, people that are known by the media or event promoters will get an exception. There are always exceptions. Some of them will be standing in the media area with a phone, taking photos. One event said all photographers must have "professional looking equipment". P&S or an iPhone wouldn't cut it. LOL

Then credentialed photographers have a wrist band, an ID and a photo vest. Some events have three or four different color vests, depending on ones level of access. Security removes anyone without the proper vest, it's that easy.

I don't know why everyone wants to shoot concerts? Does that stuff sell? Probably the hardest credential to get is a concert? Fans want a front row seat. The restrictions and some of the ridiculous rules like only shooting the first three songs, make it seem silly to bother. That and the rights grabs for performers are often impossible.

Whatever people imagine, you can't sell prints of anything editorial, without permission. You can license news images. So calling your photos and images of famous people "art" on FAA is someday going to be an invitation to a lawsuit. Cracks me up. The same people who scream about their rights, over a 25c RF download are stealing the likeness of famous people, alive and dead and selling it for profit, and think there's some kind of wiggle room, by calling it art. Many of the images on FAA aren't even the "artists" original material, it's someone elses work, copied and altered. Someone will drop the hammer on that one of these days, just wait.

Hey Warren, here's what a credential looks like.  ;) 

The tan looking hexagon on the right is a holographic label issued to people with access to the "HOT" areas of the track. Outside the banking on the turns, the pits (behind the teams, not in them) during the race and Victory Circle. The other access limits are printed on the pass in advance.

ALMS requires a helmet and full Nomex fire suit for photographers in the pits, just a Nomex suit for people behind the pit wall. And as you walk through control gates, shoot out photo holes, or pass other access points, you must show the media credentials to security.


Originating info at the bottom removed

To answer the OP. Yes it was announced a while back with the new email contact who must review and approve the credentials, before we can bother uploading anything. Then you'll get a code number / case number to add to the note to reviewer, so they know we have been cleared.

Also yes, Editorial is news is unprotected, free speech. The agencies make their own rules. IS has a similar rule now, I have to attach the credentials in place of a model release there. Other than that, same requirement. Proof that we were working media at an event and have the right to distribute images for publication.

I'll be forced to repeat myself now. The laws and the agency rules are not the same thing. Never assume that because some agency makes a rule and claims it's because of the laws, that it actually IS the law.  ;D


« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2012, 01:14 »
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To answer the OP. Yes it was announced a while back with the new email contact who must review and approve the credentials, before we can bother uploading anything. Then you'll get a code number / case number to add to the note to reviewer, so they know we have been cleared.

Also yes, Editorial is news is unprotected, free speech. The agencies make their own rules. IS has a similar rule now, I have to attach the credentials in place of a model release there. Other than that, same requirement. Proof that we were working media at an event and have the right to distribute images for publication.

I'll be forced to repeat myself now. The laws and the agency rules are not the same thing. Never assume that because some agency makes a rule and claims it's because of the laws, that it actually IS the law.  ;D

Thanks for the info! Why couldn't they just explain about the procedure with the code in their original e-mail? In your experience, how long does it take to get your credentials reviewed? And have any of them ever be denied?

RacePhoto

« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2012, 20:50 »
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Well aside from ribbing Warren about real credentials,  :D I haven't sent in anything editorial since the new policy started. Sorry I can't answer. If I do start editing and uploading after the season is over, I'll try to remember to come back.

I just worked 2 1/2 weeks, with a Wed. off in the middle of each one. Just getting things culled and backed up, sorted, renamed, ID'ed takes up most of my energy. But of course I have time to play here and watch TV? LOL


To answer the OP. Yes it was announced a while back with the new email contact who must review and approve the credentials, before we can bother uploading anything. Then you'll get a code number / case number to add to the note to reviewer, so they know we have been cleared.

Also yes, Editorial is news is unprotected, free speech. The agencies make their own rules. IS has a similar rule now, I have to attach the credentials in place of a model release there. Other than that, same requirement. Proof that we were working media at an event and have the right to distribute images for publication.

I'll be forced to repeat myself now. The laws and the agency rules are not the same thing. Never assume that because some agency makes a rule and claims it's because of the laws, that it actually IS the law.  ;D

Thanks for the info! Why couldn't they just explain about the procedure with the code in their original e-mail? In your experience, how long does it take to get your credentials reviewed? And have any of them ever be denied?


« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2012, 01:33 »
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...They just want to make sure we are legit is the impression I've got.  It doesn't need to be too in depth...

Thanks for the info, Mat, I'll try it today...

RacePhoto

« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2012, 15:05 »
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...They just want to make sure we are legit is the impression I've got.  It doesn't need to be too in depth...

Thanks for the info, Mat, I'll try it today...

Yeah, interesting since they say we have to have approval before uploading and it has to be emailed to credentials and then we get some magic code to add to notes to the editor. Simply adding a media pass link sure seems much faster and efficient. Good idea. (if it continues to work)

I may be forced to upload something just to test it. LOL


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« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2012, 18:34 »
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So what now i need credentials to shoot the Christmas Parade ?  ;D

« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2012, 21:21 »
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So what now i need credentials to shoot the Christmas Parade ?  ;D

I doubt it.  Well, unless of course Coldplay is performing during the parade.  I think the intent of their policy is more about trademarked, mainstream events.  I shoot a ton of concerts..an unhealthy amount really.  The one thing in common no matter how diverse the acts is that the fans will have their phones and point and shoot cameras up in the air during the entire performance.  I see this requirement as a way of assuring that those aren't the shots that end up for sale.  It's a bit inconvenient but at the end of the day it's pretty minor. 



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« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2012, 21:50 »
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So what now i need credentials to shoot the Christmas Parade ?  ;D

I doubt it.  Well, unless of course Coldplay is performing during the parade.  I think the intent of their policy is more about trademarked, mainstream events.  I shoot a ton of concerts..an unhealthy amount really.  The one thing in common no matter how diverse the acts is that the fans will have their phones and point and shoot cameras up in the air during the entire performance.  I see this requirement as a way of assuring that those aren't the shots that end up for sale.  It's a bit inconvenient but at the end of the day it's pretty minor.
Yeah and when I was going to concerts you couldn't get any kind of camera near the front doors.

And after watching a recent concert yes all you see are cell phones everywhere.

ShadySue

« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2012, 04:45 »
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So what now i need credentials to shoot the Christmas Parade ?  ;D

I doubt it.  Well, unless of course Coldplay is performing during the parade.
That must depend on the country. In the UK, if the parade is on a public street, it doesn't matter if it's Coldplay, Her Maj or Zaphod Beeblebrox, their picture can be taken and sold editorially.
The micros won't accept them because how can their inspectors know for sure where a pic was taken from and the rules are presumably different elsewhere. Also they seem to guarantee their images to be 'safe'.
There are other options. Alamy springs to mind; but plenty more, no doubt. Alamy places responsibility onto the buyer, provided "Pictures have been taken from a legal location". (or have permission, obviously).

RacePhoto

« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2012, 12:42 »
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So what now i need credentials to shoot the Christmas Parade ?  ;D

I doubt it.  Well, unless of course Coldplay is performing during the parade.
That must depend on the country. In the UK, if the parade is on a public street, it doesn't matter if it's Coldplay, Her Maj or Zaphod Beeblebrox, their picture can be taken and sold editorially.
The micros won't accept them because how can their inspectors know for sure where a pic was taken from and the rules are presumably different elsewhere. Also they seem to guarantee their images to be 'safe'.
There are other options. Alamy springs to mind; but plenty more, no doubt. Alamy places responsibility onto the buyer, provided "Pictures have been taken from a legal location". (or have permission, obviously).

True, News is News or Editorial is Editorial. Freedom of speech... There are NO legal restrictions based on professional groups or requirements for having credentials.

Has anyone ever mentioned that the actual laws regulating photos and their Editorial use vs the rules the agency makes up are not the same thing? ???   ::)


« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2012, 02:21 »
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Ooops! Hit post instead of preview.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2012, 02:24 by Newsfocus1 »

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« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2012, 09:14 »
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So what now i need credentials to shoot the Christmas Parade ?  ;D

I doubt it.  Well, unless of course Coldplay is performing during the parade.
That must depend on the country. In the UK, if the parade is on a public street, it doesn't matter if it's Coldplay, Her Maj or Zaphod Beeblebrox, their picture can be taken and sold editorially.
The micros won't accept them because how can their inspectors know for sure where a pic was taken from and the rules are presumably different elsewhere. Also they seem to guarantee their images to be 'safe'.
There are other options. Alamy springs to mind; but plenty more, no doubt. Alamy places responsibility onto the buyer, provided "Pictures have been taken from a legal location". (or have permission, obviously).

True, News is News or Editorial is Editorial. Freedom of speech... There are NO legal restrictions based on professional groups or requirements for having credentials.

Has anyone ever mentioned that the actual laws regulating photos and their Editorial use vs the rules the agency makes up are not the same thing? ???   ::)
You think the sites care?

You know better then that!

They make their own rules and we have to abide by them.


 

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