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Agency Based Discussion => Shutterstock.com => Topic started by: HalfFull on December 19, 2015, 13:47
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Anyone who submits to Rex, owned by Shutterstock, may want to read this article from the EPUK. Basically, an emoployee/s of Rex have been filling in and Fraudulently signing forms claiming the DACS money without the Contributors permission http://www.epuk.org/news/rex-a-gross-betrayal-of-trust (http://www.epuk.org/news/rex-a-gross-betrayal-of-trust) And we're supposed to trust Image Libraries! I just hope the Police are involved and a proper investigation is carried out!
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shuttertock is publicly traded, this could have ramifications
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Oh. My. God.
This is big
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Politics! BAPLA wants to take over from DACS and control distribution. They want to grab money and power claiming it's on behalf of members. What will follow is only BAPLA members will be paid.
Rex did this before they were owned by SS. Read the whole story before making a wrong conclusion or accusing people. This is a partial investigation of Rex and one employee embezzling with forgery, but people jump to accusing SS?
Read every word, then read this. http://tinyurl.com/qavypbt (http://tinyurl.com/qavypbt)
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Politics! BAPLA wants to take over from DACS and control distribution. They want to grab money and power claiming it's on behalf of members. What will follow is only BAPLA members will be paid.
Rex did this before they were owned by SS. Read the whole story before making a wrong conclusion or accusing people. This is a partial investigation of Rex and one employee embezzling with forgery, but people jump to accusing SS?
Read every word, then read this. [url]http://tinyurl.com/qavypbt[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/qavypbt[/url])
naturally, there is a lot of money to grab from ss.
to be honest, i don't trust those "collective" things like that collecting money on "our" behalf. much like those
non_profit organizations , charity/donation, musician union and other union, whatever .. that put money first into their own
admin's pocket and by the time the money reaches the ppl there is like 10% of the actually amount you donate or they collected.
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There hasn't been an accusation of embezzling as far as I know. The beneficiary of the fraud was Rex not the person forging the signatures.
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There hasn't been an accusation of embezzling as far as I know. The beneficiary of the fraud was Rex not the person forging the signatures.
Correct. There has been no evidence put forward that would suggest the money left the company. And yes it does still relate to SS as they are now the parent company and also the ones that were supposed to carry out due diligence when buying Rex (Auditors checking accounts and financials). Until further investigations are carried out, we have no way of knowing that this practice was also carried out this year. Too early to say given the DACs payments are still being distributed by agencies that gained consent from contributors (supposedly).
I wouldn't be surprised if it was repeated this year and not just by SS. The industry needs to clean it's act up and remember, it's the artists that produce the goods that they make their millions off.... it's not a good idea to shaft / bite the hand that feeds you!
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Politics! BAPLA wants to take over from DACS and control distribution. They want to grab money and power claiming it's on behalf of members. What will follow is only BAPLA members will be paid.
Rex did this before they were owned by SS. Read the whole story before making a wrong conclusion or accusing people. This is a partial investigation of Rex and one employee embezzling with forgery, but people jump to accusing SS?
Read every word, then read this. [url]http://tinyurl.com/qavypbt[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/qavypbt[/url])
I've read both documents and my original statement still stands,
"Anyone who submits to Rex, owned by Shutterstock, may want to read this article from the EPUK. Basically, an emoployee/s of Rex have been filling in and Fraudulently signing forms claiming the DACS money without the Contributors permission "
At no point did I say it was a SS employee, only that Rex was owned by SS.
I certainly wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them but, DACs is probably the most trustworthy of them. EPUK has done a great job in the past for standing up for photographers rights so I have no doubt they will continue this battle on until we have answers. The trouble is, Libraries & Photography councils etc all see photographers as a way to make money and when they see this big pile of money, they all want a bit of it even though it's not intended for them.
It all feels like there needs to be some proper regulation put in place but, then the politicians will get involved and no doubt they'd add quangos with an agenda to filter some of that pile of cash towards them.... for managing it of course!
In either event, Fraud has been committed and Rex (SS) needs to open their accounts to investigation to ensure this is not a wide spread thing within their company otherwise trust & share prices could tumble further!
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Whoever is found to be responsible should do time. and all there bosses fired. SEND A MESSAGE!!!!!!
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How convenient for 1 person to forge all signatures on behalf of himself? No... of course on behalf of the company who is robbing others. There are so many ways to steal from people when there is very little consequences for the parties involved. This time it's just one person fired. I bet that was a pre arranged deal anyways. Investigate the fired person and find out who really is the mastermind behind this ponzi scheme.
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How deep does the rabbit hole go?
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Was just checking my Alamy stats and noticed they paid me my DACS money last Thursday (12/17). I didn't realize the form I signed last year was valid for all future years. No problem as I'd likely sign another form. Nice surprise.
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SS acquired Rex in January 2015, the Rex offense occurred in 2014. The person PERSON has been fired. There's all fraud, embezzling, and nothing of any agency scandal.
This is going to end up exposed as more about BAPLA trying to take over the payback and take that percentage away from DACS who has managed it for years. Also BAPLA will only protect BAPLA members. They want to be a trade union and grab your membership fees, for their own. Don't be a sucker for this political battle that BAPLA is behind.
Read This http://www.bapla.org.uk/en/pages/what-we-do.html (http://www.bapla.org.uk/en/pages/what-we-do.html)
This is a power struggle between what DACS does and BAPLA wants to grab.
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Yes it is related to the BAPLA cash grab but is also not to do with individual fraud but an agency scandal as the beneficiary was the agency. I think you are correct about what you are saying regarding BAPLA and their intensions.
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I dont think ss has any involvement in the fraud either but they own rex so they are ultimately responsible for what is going on there
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I dont think ss has any involvement in the fraud either but they own rex so they are ultimately responsible for what is going on there
Exactly. And, let's see if the same practice was continued this year as well! It's probably a little early to tell as payments are still being/yet to be made by agencies *cough* claiming on behalf of contributors. Let's not forget, this money wasn't going into the persons pocket who carried out the forging so why do it? There are a lot of questions that need answering and SS has to open it's books for investigation otherwise this will hang around them like a fart in an astronauts suit!
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I dont think ss has any involvement in the fraud either but they own rex so they are ultimately responsible for what is going on there
Exactly. And, let's see if the same practice was continued this year as well! It's probably a little early to tell as payments are still being/yet to be made by agencies *cough* claiming on behalf of contributors. Let's not forget, this money wasn't going into the persons pocket who carried out the forging so why do it? There are a lot of questions that need answering and SS has to open it's books for investigation otherwise this will hang around them like a fart in an astronauts suit!
I want to see results of the accusations and a investigation just like you. Haven't received my DACS for this year, it's direct deposit into my account. Makes me suspicious why an agency would get paid, not to artist. Makes me suspicious why BAPLA would want to collect for us when membership costs £350.00 per annum for associate.
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Exactly. And, let's see if the same practice was continued this year as well! It's probably a little early to tell as payments are still being/yet to be made by agencies *cough* claiming on behalf of contributors. Let's not forget, this money wasn't going into the persons pocket who carried out the forging so why do it? There are a lot of questions that need answering and SS has to open it's books for investigation otherwise this will hang around them like a fart in an astronauts suit!
LOL!
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I want to see results of the accusations and a investigation just like you. Haven't received my DACS for this year, it's direct deposit into my account. Makes me suspicious why an agency would get paid, not to artist. Makes me suspicious why BAPLA would want to collect for us when membership costs £350.00 per annum for associate.
exactly. it's like starting a war and telling the world we need to finance the production of scuds,etc...
the photographers need to be a member to be "protected"; reminds me of the Union, who plots
against the Corporation and tells the lowly paid employees they are underpaid and overwork, so quick join the Union. now we see the Union bosses still collecting big pay checks while continuing to tell the overpaid underworked Union members to go on strike every year for strike pay.
same story different ppl, but there is a fool born every minute who believes the Union and all such
things are there to work for your benefit 8)
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I dont think ss has any involvement in the fraud either but they own rex so they are ultimately responsible for what is going on there
Exactly. And, let's see if the same practice was continued this year as well! It's probably a little early to tell as payments are still being/yet to be made by agencies *cough* claiming on behalf of contributors. Let's not forget, this money wasn't going into the persons pocket who carried out the forging so why do it? There are a lot of questions that need answering and SS has to open it's books for investigation otherwise this will hang around them like a fart in an astronauts suit!
I want to see results of the accusations and a investigation just like you. Haven't received my DACS for this year, it's direct deposit into my account. Makes me suspicious why an agency would get paid, not to artist. Makes me suspicious why BAPLA would want to collect for us when membership costs £350.00 per annum for associate.
I've had mine but I applied direct. I just keep a record of what is sold and / or attach my sales statement from Alamy. That way I keep 100% rather than giving and more to agencies, who fairness, already take more than enough from us!
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... there is a fool born every minute who believes the Union and all such things are there to work for your benefit 8)
They used to be for sure, and can still be, but not as strongly as before, for various reasons.
(And different across countries.)
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there is a fool born every minute who believes the Union and all such
things are there to work for your benefit 8)
That's what you get for swallowing 30 years of Chicago School economics and neoliberal propaganda - a refusal to accept that we're better off together, rather than as atomised serfs receiving barely 20% of the royalties earned on our creative output from mega-corps and private equity owned money funds.
No improvement in working conditions in the past 100 years has come about without collective action, and no improvement in our royalty share or treatment by agencies will happen unless we work together, just as unions have been doing for generations.
Only a fool would dismiss the importance of unions in today's economic climate and degenerating working conditions.
/rant over, must get back to my xmas shopping...
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there is a fool born every minute who believes the Union and all such
things are there to work for your benefit 8)
That's what you get for swallowing 30 years of Chicago School economics and neoliberal propaganda - a refusal to accept that we're better off together, rather than as atomised serfs receiving barely 20% of the royalties earned on our creative output from mega-corps and private equity owned money funds.
No improvement in working conditions in the past 100 years has come about without collective action, and no improvement in our royalty share or treatment by agencies will happen unless we work together, just as unions have been doing for generations.
Only a fool would dismiss the importance of unions in today's economic climate and degenerating working conditions.
/rant over, must get back to my xmas shopping...
Lol!
That's what you get for swallowing 100 years of Marxism, Leninism and big chunks of communist propaganda.
Sorry, I can't resist when I see people still falling for fairy tales and myths proven wrong, over and over again.
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It's not communism, it's capitalism run for the benefit of society, rather than society run for the benefit of capitalism, which is how the money-mad psychopaths who have been allowed to grind our market economy into the greatest depression for a century prefer it.
But I guess we're never going to agree on this one!
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It's not communism, it's capitalism run for the benefit of society, rather than society run for the benefit of capitalism, which is how the money-mad psychopaths who have been allowed to grind our market economy into the greatest depression for a century prefer it.
But I guess we're never going to agree on this one!
Indeed, we can't agree on this one, since you want a system for the "benefit of society", while I want a system for the benefit of real people, for the benefit of the "common man".
You forget that all systems meant for the "benefit of society", invariably became systems for the benefit of the chosen few, of an elite, who will always be "more equal" among equals
You go to sleep with fairy tales and wake-up, in sweat, with nightmares.
Don't confuse the true, healthy, competitive, innovating capitalism with the current government sponsored, sick crony-capitalism, which, like communism, is nothing but a direct consequence of good intentions turned bad by believers in fairy tales, with little knowledge in economics and human action.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Systems based on the Austrian school of economics and Chicago school of economics are actually the best known cure for your nightmares.
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It's not communism, it's capitalism run for the benefit of society, rather than society run for the benefit of capitalism, which is how the money-mad psychopaths who have been allowed to grind our market economy into the greatest depression for a century prefer it.
But I guess we're never going to agree on this one!
yes, i remember all those pipe pipers of communism who burn books and musical instruments that were the devil of capitalism encouraging only those books written about praise to the common good ie their own self appointed saviours.
i also remember how all those unionized workers went sent for us to do their overload jobs while they went out to smoke and then come back to complain i was in the can instead of waiting for my lunch break to take a leak.
i also remember how there was abundant crop of harvest and the people were told to go out and reap the harvest because they were short of hands to take advantage of the fruits of labour but no one answer the calls because they were much too comfortable cheering for their communist govt and now
too busy * eggs for nothing.
i also remember how anyone with a vision to better themselves were told they were the capitalist
devil and they were chased away with pitchforks because they were really a threat to the messiahs of communism. anything that make money for someone else was a capitalist devil
x/ i thought communists don't believe in santa claus since it's a capitalist invention ;D
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there is a fool born every minute who believes the Union and all such
things are there to work for your benefit 8)
That's what you get for swallowing 30 years of Chicago School economics and neoliberal propaganda - a refusal to accept that we're better off together, rather than as atomised serfs receiving barely 20% of the royalties earned on our creative output from mega-corps and private equity owned money funds.
as opposed to what??? we still get 38 cts per dls, up to 28 to 102 bucks per single earning
versus 50 cts of picking coffee beans a day 8)
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I want to see results of the accusations and a investigation just like you. Haven't received my DACS for this year, it's direct deposit into my account. Makes me suspicious why an agency would get paid, not to artist. Makes me suspicious why BAPLA would want to collect for us when membership costs £350.00 per annum for associate.
exactly. it's like starting a war and telling the world we need to finance the production of scuds,etc...
the photographers need to be a member to be "protected"; reminds me of the Union, who plots
against the Corporation and tells the lowly paid employees they are underpaid and overwork, so quick join the Union. now we see the Union bosses still collecting big pay checks while continuing to tell the overpaid underworked Union members to go on strike every year for strike pay.
same story different ppl, but there is a fool born every minute who believes the Union and all such
things are there to work for your benefit 8)
Unions are nothing but old socialistic philosophy and politics. True they did have a place at the turn of the century and when workers were treated unfairly, worked in hazardous places, and child labor laws didn't exist. Now they are nothing but big leeches, drawing blood from workers with dues that go into the union leaders pockets. Many are mob run in the US.
That's how socialism works, the few profit from the pain of the workers, but make the business out to be the villain while they pretend to be some sort of brotherhood of strength. Then the union people on top reap the rewards and the workers are still paying for little or no gain. You need to pay to be a member for promises and protection. Maybe so you can work. Because non-union can't work in a union shop.
I want to see a thorough investigation of who was stealing Rex artist money. Maybe other artist money. And full disclosure. But until that I'm not going to fly off and accuse.
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Unions are nothing but old socialistic philosophy and politics. True they did have a place at the turn of the century and when workers were treated unfairly, worked in hazardous places, and child labor laws didn't exist. Now they are nothing but big leeches, drawing blood from workers with dues that go into the union leaders pockets. Many are mob run in the US.
That's how socialism works, the few profit from the pain of the workers, but make the business out to be the villain while they pretend to be some sort of brotherhood of strength. Then the union people on top reap the rewards and the workers are still paying for little or no gain. You need to pay to be a member for promises and protection. Maybe so you can work. Because non-union can't work in a union shop.
I want to see a thorough investigation of who was stealing Rex artist money. Maybe other artist money. And full disclosure. But until that I'm not going to fly off and accuse.
true , re your first para statement. it was meant to help the oppressed at that time, and it did good.
but when it came to the first world or progressive society, they became leeches like you say. much the same way as the old colonials brown-nosers rajas and colonels who pander to the "founder"(cough cough ..like the indigenous there before them were not "found:") of the new world.
same for the communes and tribes whose chiefs were the saviours of the nations... the Union were
. naturally, you do find diehards who preach the good of the Union because they were the ones who sat on their ar$es being the ones with $eniority and very little skill except to come to work complaining how much they hate their jobs yet won't quit until the pallbearers come to take their carcuses away from the office.
and yes, been there too, where the same people wearing hard hats doing the same jobs were told their services are only half as good as the Unionized labourers thoughthey work just as hard if not harder . ..so they only get half the pay. But, wink wink, if they pay the Union dues ... poof like magic their services suddenly became as 100% .
same for this thing with Rex etc... yes, they like to make ss look so bad so we all kneel to their
graven images and pay them dues to "protect" us. these leeches ... they just don't die, do they...
much like the cockroaches that survive even after the bombs killed every other living thing.
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Unions are nothing but old socialistic philosophy and politics. True they did have a place at the turn of the century and when workers were treated unfairly, worked in hazardous places, and child labor laws didn't exist. Now they are nothing but big leeches, drawing blood from workers with dues that go into the union leaders pockets. Many are mob run in the US.
That's how socialism works, the few profit from the pain of the workers, but make the business out to be the villain while they pretend to be some sort of brotherhood of strength. Then the union people on top reap the rewards and the workers are still paying for little or no gain. You need to pay to be a member for promises and protection. Maybe so you can work. Because non-union can't work in a union shop.
I want to see a thorough investigation of who was stealing Rex artist money. Maybe other artist money. And full disclosure. But until that I'm not going to fly off and accuse.
true , re your first para statement. it was meant to help the oppressed at that time, and it did good.
but when it came to the first world or progressive society, they became leeches like you say. much the same way as the old colonials brown-nosers rajas and colonels who pander to the "founder"(cough cough ..like the indigenous there before them were not "found:") of the new world.
same for the communes and tribes whose chiefs were the saviours of the nations... the Union were
. naturally, you do find diehards who preach the good of the Union because they were the ones who sat on their ar$es being the ones with $eniority and very little skill except to come to work complaining how much they hate their jobs yet won't quit until the pallbearers come to take their carcuses away from the office.
and yes, been there too, where the same people wearing hard hats doing the same jobs were told their services are only half as good as the Unionized labourers thoughthey work just as hard if not harder . ..so they only get half the pay. But, wink wink, if they pay the Union dues ... poof like magic their services suddenly became as 100% .
same for this thing with Rex etc... yes, they like to make ss look so bad so we all kneel to their
graven images and pay them dues to "protect" us. these leeches ... they just don't die, do they...
much like the cockroaches that survive even after the bombs killed every other living thing.
What the heck are you talking about?
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It's not communism, it's capitalism run for the benefit of society, rather than society run for the benefit of capitalism, which is how the money-mad psychopaths who have been allowed to grind our market economy into the greatest depression for a century prefer it.
But I guess we're never going to agree on this one!
yes, i remember all those pipe pipers of communism who burn books and musical instruments that were the devil of capitalism encouraging only those books written about praise to the common good ie their own self appointed saviours.
i also remember how all those unionized workers went sent for us to do their overload jobs while they went out to smoke and then come back to complain i was in the can instead of waiting for my lunch break to take a leak.
i also remember how there was abundant crop of harvest and the people were told to go out and reap the harvest because they were short of hands to take advantage of the fruits of labour but no one answer the calls because they were much too comfortable cheering for their communist govt and now
too busy * eggs for nothing.
i also remember how anyone with a vision to better themselves were told they were the capitalist
devil and they were chased away with pitchforks because they were really a threat to the messiahs of communism. anything that make money for someone else was a capitalist devil
x/ i thought communists don't believe in santa claus since it's a capitalist invention ;D
Well said. So callled liberalism ("progressives"?? - laughable) is fast becoming thinly veiled bolshevism/communism. It's thinly veiled because westerners never experienced it, they are clueless, do not even start to recognize it while they it's staring them in the face... Those from the eastern block who experienced these things first hand know this is almost exactly how it happens, they keep screaming "watch out", but nobody listens.
small clue: most know the early soviets were anti-religion... religion haters. Not many know there was one exception: islam. They supported islam saying it's part of a 'common struggle'. They wanted to drag them in.
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It's not communism, it's capitalism run for the benefit of society, rather than society run for the benefit of capitalism, which is how the money-mad psychopaths who have been allowed to grind our market economy into the greatest depression for a century prefer it.
But I guess we're never going to agree on this one!
yes, i remember all those pipe pipers of communism who burn books and musical instruments that were the devil of capitalism encouraging only those books written about praise to the common good ie their own self appointed saviours.
i also remember how all those unionized workers went sent for us to do their overload jobs while they went out to smoke and then come back to complain i was in the can instead of waiting for my lunch break to take a leak.
i also remember how there was abundant crop of harvest and the people were told to go out and reap the harvest because they were short of hands to take advantage of the fruits of labour but no one answer the calls because they were much too comfortable cheering for their communist govt and now
too busy * eggs for nothing.
i also remember how anyone with a vision to better themselves were told they were the capitalist
devil and they were chased away with pitchforks because they were really a threat to the messiahs of communism. anything that make money for someone else was a capitalist devil
x/ i thought communists don't believe in santa claus since it's a capitalist invention ;D
Well said. So callled liberalism ("progressives"?? - laughable) is fast becoming thinly veiled bolshevism/communism. It's thinly veiled because westerners never experienced it, they are clueless, do not even start to recognize it while they it's staring them in the face... Those from the eastern block who experienced these things first hand know this is almost exactly how it happens, they keep screaming "watch out", but nobody listens.
small clue: most know the early soviets were anti-religion... religion haters. Not many know there was one exception: islam. They supported islam saying it's part of a 'common struggle'. They wanted to drag them in.
“The writer must earn money in order to be able to live and to write, but he must by no means live and write for the purpose of making money.” Karl Marx. Try that with photography in place of writer.
Liberalism is socialism you are right these people don't listen to history.
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It's not communism, it's capitalism run for the benefit of society, rather than society run for the benefit of capitalism, which is how the money-mad psychopaths who have been allowed to grind our market economy into the greatest depression for a century prefer it.
But I guess we're never going to agree on this one!
yes, i remember all those pipe pipers of communism who burn books and musical instruments that were the devil of capitalism encouraging only those books written about praise to the common good ie their own self appointed saviours.
i also remember how all those unionized workers went sent for us to do their overload jobs while they went out to smoke and then come back to complain i was in the can instead of waiting for my lunch break to take a leak.
i also remember how there was abundant crop of harvest and the people were told to go out and reap the harvest because they were short of hands to take advantage of the fruits of labour but no one answer the calls because they were much too comfortable cheering for their communist govt and now
too busy * eggs for nothing.
i also remember how anyone with a vision to better themselves were told they were the capitalist
devil and they were chased away with pitchforks because they were really a threat to the messiahs of communism. anything that make money for someone else was a capitalist devil
x/ i thought communists don't believe in santa claus since it's a capitalist invention ;D
Well said. So callled liberalism ("progressives"?? - laughable) is fast becoming thinly veiled bolshevism/communism. It's thinly veiled because westerners never experienced it, they are clueless, do not even start to recognize it while they it's staring them in the face... Those from the eastern block who experienced these things first hand know this is almost exactly how it happens, they keep screaming "watch out", but nobody listens.
small clue: most know the early soviets were anti-religion... religion haters. Not many know there was one exception: islam. They supported islam saying it's part of a 'common struggle'. They wanted to drag them in.
“The writer must earn money in order to be able to live and to write, but he must by no means live and write for the purpose of making money.” Karl Marx. Try that with photography in place of writer.
Liberalism is socialism you are right these people don't listen to history.
Marx has been always in debt financially. He constantly asked his few friends (e.g. Engels) and his rich family (Philips, the founder of the famous Dutch company being his uncle) to help him with money.
Because he had to pay his dues with interest, he imagined an utopia where money could be borrowed with no interest.
And that's the real origin of the Capital and his antisemitism: a frustration triggered by the failure to manage personal finances.
He never set foot in a factory and he knew nothing about agriculture.Yet, he constantly preached about workers and peasants condition. Adding up falsified or outdated stats to sophisms and speculations, he ended up damaging the history and destiny for generations around half of the world.
An immoral, violent man. A fraud.
But it looks like we never learn from history. There are always some, fooled by his dystopian, frustrated beliefs, who still think they can make them work, for the "benefit of society"
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