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Tryingmybest

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« on: February 11, 2013, 11:36 »
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Unprecedented. For the first time for all my 800 images, I get this rejection notice from SS in a batch of almost 20 illustrations: Auto-traced images need validation. Please resubmit with original sketch/photo attached to property release.  :P

Almost everything I draw is with ink and pen, scanned and traced and colored in Illustrator. I used to give releases to iStock. But haven't done it for many months. So I need to make property releases for all of my SS images? What a pain.

Have any illustrators ever had this happen on SS? Is it a growing trend or have I just been lucky to NEVER get such rejections?  ???

Here's links to the same images approved on istuck without original sketches (iStock is tops for rejecting the most of my images, so I think they are a good barometer of ridiculous rejections (sorry for the messed up links, I'm having problems editing in this forum; suffice it to say iStock accepted all of the pix SS rejected for no original sketch):
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23132030-person-asleep-on-bus.php
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23132030-person-asleep-on-bus.php
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/23097914/1/stock-illustration-23097914-boxing-ring.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23031438-generic-toothpaste-tube.php
« Last Edit: February 11, 2013, 11:45 by TheBlackRhino »


EmberMike

« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 11:43 »
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It's new for SS. I haven't encountered this yet myself, as I don't often do hand-drawn stuff, but I've heard of it happening more and more.

I think it's a good policy. Keeps people honest. It's no big deal for me to upload the sketch, and if it helps the company keep out stuff that is based on other people's work and infringes on copyrights, I'm fine with it.

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 11:47 »
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Thanks for the input. I understand. I was just quite surprised. I can do it since I am the artist. But it's a pain. Especially that SS accepted this one without a sketch :-\  http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23121785-various-bacterium.php


It's new for SS. I haven't encountered this yet myself, as I don't often do hand-drawn stuff, but I've heard of it happening more and more.

I think it's a good policy. Keeps people honest. It's no big deal for me to upload the sketch, and if it helps the company keep out stuff that is based on other people's work and infringes on copyrights, I'm fine with it.

« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 11:49 »
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I had the same problem a few weeks ago with a small batch of 3 or 4 files. I resubmitted with a note and they were accepted.

I'm now waiting on 26 files to be reviewed and I'm seriously hoping that they don't pull the same thing on me again.

In my case, there often isn't an "original", it has been created with Illustrator and Photoshop right on my computer.

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 11:59 »
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Thanks for the input. You know, I'm thinking of resubmitting with a note too. It's just too many. If they reject again, I'll create releases >:(. And the inconsistency with a small amount that were accepted is especially frustrating because they were drawn on ink and paper too.

What did you write in your note? I'd like to make sure I cover all the bases.

I had the same problem a few weeks ago with a small batch of 3 or 4 files. I resubmitted with a note and they were accepted.

I'm now waiting on 26 files to be reviewed and I'm seriously hoping that they don't pull the same thing on me again.

In my case, there often isn't an "original", it has been created with Illustrator and Photoshop right on my computer.

« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 12:11 »
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Thanks for the input. You know, I'm thinking of resubmitting with a note too. It's just too many. If they reject again, I'll create releases >:(. And the inconsistency with a small amount that were accepted is especially frustrating because they were drawn on ink and paper too.

What did you write in your note? I'd like to make sure I cover all the bases.

I had the same problem a few weeks ago with a small batch of 3 or 4 files. I resubmitted with a note and they were accepted.

I'm now waiting on 26 files to be reviewed and I'm seriously hoping that they don't pull the same thing on me again.

In my case, there often isn't an "original", it has been created with Illustrator and Photoshop right on my computer.

I don't recall exactly, something to the effect of... "These files are the originals, created 100% by me."

I'm not sure what I'll have to do if they need me to provide something proving they are my own. Maybe I'll need to record video of the creation of each file.  ::)

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 12:15 »
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Thanks for the input. You know, I'm thinking of resubmitting with a note too. It's just too many. If they reject again, I'll create releases >:(. And the inconsistency with a small amount that were accepted is especially frustrating because they were drawn on ink and paper too.

What did you write in your note? I'd like to make sure I cover all the bases.

I had the same problem a few weeks ago with a small batch of 3 or 4 files. I resubmitted with a note and they were accepted.

I'm now waiting on 26 files to be reviewed and I'm seriously hoping that they don't pull the same thing on me again.

In my case, there often isn't an "original", it has been created with Illustrator and Photoshop right on my computer.

I don't recall exactly, something to the effect of... "These files are the originals, created 100% by me."

I'm not sure what I'll have to do if they need me to provide something proving they are my own. Maybe I'll need to record video of the creation of each file.  ::)

Oh yeah, that would be a mess. I recall seeing folks on iStock needing to do stuff like that. Ugh. Yeah, I've got one rejection from SS today for an image I created in MangaStudio+Illustrator. So I'm really up a creek for that one. I'm going to resubmit with a note like yours. I'll try to follow up in the forum. Thanks again.

« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 12:20 »
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Update this post when you find out if it is accepted... which could be a few weeks based on recent review times.


Tryingmybest

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 12:23 »
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Update this post when you find out if it is accepted... which could be a few weeks based on recent review times.

Indeed! My batch of 20 took over 2 weeks. I'll post an update. 12 were resubmitted. Some were part of my computer only Manga Studio+Illustrator drawings. These folks are a trip!  :P

« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 10:58 »
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I just had 31 of 31 new files accepted, all vectors, some autotraced, no originals provided.

It must just depend on who reviews your images.

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 11:10 »
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Thanks for posting that. I'll follow up as soon as I get my results.

I just had 31 of 31 new files accepted, all vectors, some autotraced, no originals provided.

It must just depend on who reviews your images.

« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2013, 11:11 »
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Thanks for posting that. I'll follow up as soon as I get my results.

I just had 31 of 31 new files accepted, all vectors, some autotraced, no originals provided.

It must just depend on who reviews your images.

Good luck!

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 20:58 »
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Update folks: 28 images (all those "rejected" ones plus new ones were accepted today). WHEW!  :P

« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2013, 10:12 »
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Update folks: 28 images (all those "rejected" ones plus new ones were accepted today). WHEW!  :P

Great! I had another batch accepted last night as well, including some that were autotraced.


Tryingmybest

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2013, 15:08 »
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Update folks: 28 images (all those "rejected" ones plus new ones were accepted today). WHEW!  :P

Great! I had another batch accepted last night as well, including some that were autotraced.

Finally, some rational normalcy. Reviewers can be so unpredictable. :o

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2013, 09:11 »
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Just got more of the same rejections for a new batch. Must be the same editor.

As before, I did not include my original drawing. As before, iStock accepted the same ones without the original drawing. Annoying.

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23373619-view-from-airplane.php

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23366975-generic-gas-station.php

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23313094-large-man-close-up.php

Going to resubmit with a note to the editor that these are mine 100%. Arggh.  >:(

Milinz

« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2013, 09:13 »
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Just got more of the same rejections for a new batch. Must be the same editor.

As before, I did not include my original drawing. As before, iStock accepted the same ones without the original drawing. Annoying.

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23373619-view-from-airplane.php

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23366975-generic-gas-station.php

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-23313094-large-man-close-up.php

Going to resubmit with a note to the editor that these are mine 100%. Arggh.  >:(


Why does SS care what you send to IS?


Tryingmybest

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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2013, 09:16 »
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I don't  know. Why don't you ask them?

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Why does SS care what you send to IS?
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Tryingmybest

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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2013, 09:18 »
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If you don't have anything constructive to offer to the thread besides sarcasm, just stay out of it. This was posted to document issues that could help others that have encountered this problem. That kind of totalitarian "just shut up and obey" attitude is unhelpful, discourages sincere dialog and makes new folk not want anything to do with the community.

« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2013, 09:45 »
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I had it happen to me...I sent them a massive in process jpeg with 12 steps. I never had it happen again.....I think SS is pointless to upload onto now days. A total waste of time but that is just my opinion.

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2013, 09:55 »
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I had it happen to me...I sent them a massive in process jpeg with 12 steps. I never had it happen again.....I think SS is pointless to upload onto now days. A total waste of time but that is just my opinion.

That stinks. It's got to be a particular reviewer. The first batch was accepted after a resubmission with note to the reviewer that I owned them (see above). I'm doing the same with this new batch.

I've composed a letter of complaint to send them. I'm going to sit on it for awhile. I'd take your approach about not uploading, but their site provides me the most sales of all the other sites. They need to play fair. We're poor folk without a lot of time. If they want releases for every %^$% image, then they need to be like that for every image by anyone.

So I've resubmitted these with a detailed note to the reviewer, hoping the 2nd time will fix it. If not, I'll do the original scan (maybe not a detailed process like yours). I suppose then they could reject it for not having a signed release form (ugh). We'll see.

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2013, 20:11 »
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Update: All (plus more) with detailed notes to the reviewers, have passed as of a few hours ago. ;D

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2013, 09:38 »
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Ridiculous arbitrary property release rejections again. Someone there doesn't know what they're doing. I'm fed up and have sent an email of complaint to support.

Poncke

« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2013, 09:41 »
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Ridiculous arbitrary property release rejections again. Someone there doesn't know what they're doing. I'm fed up and have sent an email of complaint to support.
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129603

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2013, 09:46 »
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Ridiculous arbitrary property release rejections again. Someone there doesn't know what they're doing. I'm fed up and have sent an email of complaint to support.
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129603


Wow. Thanks for sharing this link.

« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2013, 09:49 »
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I just had a 100% rejection after waiting weeks... So after 6 years 4500 files and 150,000dls ......and now I get mass rejections?....I say SS has become clouded with future flops like skillfeed and Offset. SS should get review times back to normal and stop using barn yard animal as reviewers.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 09:51 by MisterElements »

« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2013, 09:56 »
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Since dropping my crown, i've been communicating w one of the content managers and was told that now silhouettes even need property release. Seems like they are tightening reviews which i think is a pain but good on the overall nature of this business. harder to abuse copyrighted content.


Tryingmybest

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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2013, 10:25 »
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But how does one provide an original when they create it entirely with software? If they want releases like this they need to require them for every single vector submission. Not some weeks and not others. I can make ink drawings and ink-like drawings. They can't tell which one has an original. So then they've got to require everything has a release. To me, this is unprofessional conduct.

Since dropping my crown, i've been communicating w one of the content managers and was told that now silhouettes even need property release. Seems like they are tightening reviews which i think is a pain but good on the overall nature of this business. harder to abuse copyrighted content.

« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2013, 11:24 »
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But how does one provide an original when they create it entirely with software? If they want releases like this they need to require them for every single vector submission. Not some weeks and not others. I can make ink drawings and ink-like drawings. They can't tell which one has an original. So then they've got to require everything has a release. To me, this is unprofessional conduct.

I've been lucky so far, only having run into these rejections once.

I have the same problem, 95% of my work is created with Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop. How exactly do I provide an "original"?

« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2013, 11:30 »
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But how does one provide an original when they create it entirely with software? If they want releases like this they need to require them for every single vector submission. Not some weeks and not others. I can make ink drawings and ink-like drawings. They can't tell which one has an original. So then they've got to require everything has a release. To me, this is unprofessional conduct.

Since dropping my crown, i've been communicating w one of the content managers and was told that now silhouettes even need property release. Seems like they are tightening reviews which i think is a pain but good on the overall nature of this business. harder to abuse copyrighted content.

At istock, they wanted you to take screen shots of your work in progress. It was a pain and that whole process prevented me from even designing for istock submissions.
I always thought istock had it a little too strict that prevented me from creating cool digital files that i had a hard way of proving i made it.

Poncke

« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2013, 11:31 »
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Screenshot and embed it in the PR

« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2013, 11:33 »
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Screenshot and embed it in the PR


Yuck. I suppose I'll play along if that's what it comes to.

The 2-3 week review times makes this whole situation more frustrating.

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2013, 12:10 »
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Screenshot and embed it in the PR


Yuck. I suppose I'll play along if that's what it comes to.

The 2-3 week review times makes this whole situation more frustrating.

Indeed. I'd rather just resubmit and resubmit until they complain before I go through that hassle.


 

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