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Agency Based Discussion => Shutterstock.com => Topic started by: THP Creative on February 20, 2012, 20:09
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http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtml (http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtml)
Anyone noticed they changed this page recently? Im in Australia, and it shows I can now get a single image download for $19. So I am guessing the trial period where it seemed to only be parts of the US is now over?
I think they also removed the 25 image pack if I remember correctly?
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I just went to the page you indicated and I can only see subs sales and Multi-Image on demand stuff, no Single image on Demand. I'm in Australia too (hi!)
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How on earth do i insert an image here!? I have a screen grab I can show, but can't figure out how!
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STRANGEST thing....
Just tried the link in Firefox and you're right - no single image option.
Tried it in Safari - Single Image Option!!
What on earth!!??
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PRobably a good idea to tell them. They might not be aware that some browsers aren't reading the page properly.
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PRobably a good idea to tell them. They might not be aware that some browsers aren't reading the page properly.
It's their job to be aware of cross-browser compatibility.
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Browsers are annoying things for web developers. Each browser can show things differently and then there are so many versions of a particular browser. It can be frustrating to say the least and can take a lot of time to figure out the solution.
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How on earth do i insert an image here!? I have a screen grab I can show, but can't figure out how!
Go to a photo sharing website and sign up so you can copy the info from the pic and then you can put it up anywhere you want to.
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It's probably A/B testing. A technique to learn what setup works best for the customer by serving two similar pages to a lot of readers and measuring result...
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Ah, not going to bother with the screen grab, just rest assured I'm not making this up!
Interesting thoughts zager, hadn't considered that was even a possibility!
Has anyone else tried Safari on this page?
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not available in Portugal
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ok Screen grab time! (thanks Milinz for the tip!)
(http://s17.postimage.org/4y0b8hx8b/Screen_shot_2012_02_21_at_2_21_44_PM.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4y0b8hx8b/)
Hope it works...
Any thoughts?
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ok Screen grab time! (thanks Milinz for the tip!)
([url]http://s17.postimage.org/4y0b8hx8b/Screen_shot_2012_02_21_at_2_21_44_PM.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/4y0b8hx8b/[/url])
Hope it works...
Any thoughts?
Ah you know, I didn't even check the first time you posted, but I just checked now and I have it on on Firefox, but still the old one on Chrome.
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wow glad it's not just me. So I'm not going crazy after all....
Still doesn't seem to make much sense that it's somewhat browser dependent...?
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wow glad it's not just me. So I'm not going crazy after all....
Still doesn't seem to make much sense that it's somewhat browser dependent...?
I'm confused as heck. My subscribe page has the $19 in the third column. (not 4th) Below the frequent use in Explorer.
Anyway, I went and checked. USA Mid-States. Chrome and Firefox identical. Explorer is very different looking. But all have the $19 image option.
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wow, would love to know an explanation on this. It's kinda intriguing...
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wow, would love to know an explanation on this. It's kinda intriguing...
Oh wait... I went and looked at a portfilio http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery.mhtml?id=953314 (http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery.mhtml?id=953314) (who seems to be a really, really new member, doesn't show in the stats, so within the last two weeks?) ID number is 953314 which I thought was interesting. Anyway...
When I clicked a photo and looked at prices, hey guess what, the $19 option is now in the center box and there are three boxes. Not four, now stacked, but three wide? Remember I was the one who had it on all three browsers, now viewing someones pictures, it's a different version of the page. ;D
Might be that different servers for the images locations, have different versions of this? Today's with Explorer (different from yesterday)
(http://s5.postimage.org/6igg618iv/ss_page_19_middle.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
png image hosting (http://postimage.org/)
Below = the one I get when logged in and using Chrome:
(http://s5.postimage.org/3pn8m086f/ss_page_19_stacked.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
free image hosting (http://postimage.org/)
Maybe they are having a good time watching us try to figure this out? ;D
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It's probably A/B testing. A technique to learn what setup works best for the customer by serving two similar pages to a lot of readers and measuring result...
I'd say Vita is correct. They are testing which landing page converts more. Basically trying to figure out how to increase conversions.
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I hope the single image OD is here to stay. I got 3 of them today.
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I hope the single image OD is here to stay. I got 3 of them today.
Stop it, I'm getting jealous! :D
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Hot Dang! Just as monthly targets appear out of reach ... Single ... and other downloads to the rescue. What' not to love about SS? ;D
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Has anyone got any Single's from anywhere other than the USA?
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I received 16,80$ yesterday, as single image sale!
What is it, usual is cca 5$?
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I received 16,80$ yesterday, as single image sale!
What is it, usual is cca 5$?
never had one so high only the regular (5.32$) not far from the last level but I believe that is the sensitive use no?
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I received 16,80$ yesterday, as single image sale!
What is it, usual is cca 5$?
never had one so high only the regular (5.32$) not far from the last level but I believe that is the sensitive use no?
Maybe, but I don't know what can be sensitive on this photo... :D
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=73299769 (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=73299769)
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I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!
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I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!
Same here. Good stuff!
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I have two $16.8 this week. But 0 EL this month.
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I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!
I didn't know such high commission single image dls existed. I have never had more than $5.70
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I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!
I didn't know such high commission single image dls existed. I have never had more than $5.70
This seems to be something new. I hadn't had any above 5.70 either until a week or two ago.
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There is also someone who got $70 a piece for two SOD's for a total of $140.
That is pretty darn good.
Must be something new going on?
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I received 16,80$ yesterday, as single image sale!
What is it, usual is cca 5$?
never had one so high only the regular (5.32$) not far from the last level but I believe that is the sensitive use no?
Maybe, but I don't know what can be sensitive on this photo... :D
[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=73299769[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=73299769[/url])
It's the model of laptop that only pedos use :P . Sensitive enough? ;D
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There is also someone who got $70 a piece for two SOD's for a total of $140.
That is pretty darn good.
Must be something new going on?
Very nice. Had my first 18.00$ one also. I wonder what are those "other" license. I don't see that type of pricing anywhere on their site (only the single download at 19.00$ which should give us around 5.70$ for highest comission)
Sure can't complain about that :)
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Is everyone who got the $18 or more enrolled in the sensitive use program? I remember the Shutterbuzz article saying you will still get the Sensitive Use payout even if the image wont be used in a sensitive way if it is purchased by the large client using that licensing system.
I am still wondering whether to enroll in SU or not. Hmm..
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I think someone got one for a higher amount and they said they were opted out of the SU license.
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I've been seeing a gradually growing number of single image sales... including a $18 yesterday... but I've noticed that the ELs seem to have dried up all of a sudden. Had about a dozen spread out the first 13 days of this month, then none since then. But when they stopped, the single image downloads seemed to have ramped up. Coincidence?
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I've been seeing a gradually growing number of single image sales... including a $18 yesterday... but I've noticed that the ELs seem to have dried up all of a sudden. Had about a dozen spread out the first 13 days of this month, then none since then. But when they stopped, the single image downloads seemed to have ramped up. Coincidence?
I got 4 EL yesterday before my 1st 18.00$ sale.
I do not think they are related to EL
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Here is a quote from someone who is opted out of the sensitive use license and he still got a $28 SOD.
mattgibson It's not sensitive use licenses - I am opted out of it
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SODs are based on a percentage of the sale price. I don't know if SS keep absolutely fixed prices for every client or whether they vary them sometimes for specific types of service. But that would explain what some are seeing as unusual cuts, no?
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It's only today that I got aware of the changes that Shutterstock had implemented in the buyer's account. Now looks pretty much like Depositphotos'.
(http://s16.postimage.org/th578ych1/buyer_menu.jpg)
It's obvious that Depositphotos is now under great attention of the managers of large microstocks who started copying their innovations (for instance, a month ago, Fotolia announced a free subscription giving 25 images).
(http://s18.postimage.org/ogks4a8ih/fotolia_first_month_free.jpg)
Also, one can come across Dreamstime's banners that visibly resemble Depositphotos' ones.
(http://s16.postimage.org/pa6koe8px/ads.jpg)
If top-ranked microstocks imitate newcomers, they should be concerned of losing a big share.
Not that it's bad in relation to the other microstocks, but I wouldn't like my earnings at Shuterstock to be impacted in a bad way.
Anyway, I really enjoy watching microstocks copying each other's ideas trying to hold their ground. Seems like somebody's got lack of creative thinking... :)
Sure, it's pretty easy to duplicate the features of new fast-growing microstocks since it can be always shown like a newcomer imitates a dinosaur. But we know for sure who owns the ideas. I'm not saying that DP invented a wheel when they started their growth in the industry. But we're not talking about using the scheme that is as old as the industry itself, but about simply copying fresh ideas.
If I were a manager of any large microstock who'd stolen features and ideas from the others, I'd pay bigger attention to the creative staff instead of switching it among agencies. There's no harm in looking anew just like Depositphotos does.
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:)
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Is everyone who got the $18 or more enrolled in the sensitive use program? I remember the Shutterbuzz article saying you will still get the Sensitive Use payout even if the image wont be used in a sensitive way if it is purchased by the large client using that licensing system.
I am still wondering whether to enroll in SU or not. Hmm..
I'm opted out of sensitive use too.
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Thanks guys, that makes me feel better. Have been so torn over SU, but I'm glad to know these other higher sales are still available to those of us opted out.
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Ha, just check my SS account this morning, and you wouldn't believe it.... a $16.80 Single & Other download! Woo! Seems you just need to complain in this forum and the sales start rolling... :D
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I've only ever seen the $4.75 variety...would be nice to see one of those larger ones for sure.
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Just got my first 18$ sale :)
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A lot of blindly woo yay'ing for SS.
We suddenly see a totally new amount of commissions popping up and everybody just starts cheering while nobody even seems to wonder where it comes from. Just like i wanted more transparency from iS i want it from SS too. $18 to $70 sales sure are nice, but where the heck are they coming from?! Its clearly not sensitive use, and probably not single image buyers either (afaik they go for roughly $19 each of which we get 30%). So what is this? What are the license terms?! What are buyers charged for this mysterious product(s?) and do we really get 30%?
Am i really the only one wondering about this?!
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A lot of blindly woo yay'ing for SS.
We suddenly see a totally new amount of commissions popping up and everybody just starts cheering while nobody even seems to wonder where it comes from. Just like i wanted more transparency from iS i want it from SS too. $18 sales sure are nice, but where the heck are they coming from?! Its clearly not sensitive use, and probably not single image buyers either (afaik they go for roughly $19 each of which we get 30%). So what is this? What are the license terms?! What are buyers charged for this mysterious product and do we really get 30%?
Am i really the only one wondering about this?!
ahah I believe you can look into SS pricing, I don´t see any Single Image pricing for Portugal/Ireland, please somebody help Artemis here :)
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I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!
I had five $18 sales this week, much to my surprise - very nice! ;D It is particularly reassuring at a time when my sales on FT continue their downward spiral.
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As far as I can tell there is only information about subs and on demand on the site. I can't find anything to state what "Single Image" sales are. I've had one of these and am curious as to what they are as well. As some else said, it's nice having the larger pay but I'd still like to know what that means.
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I got today an single & other download for $15. I am OPT OUT at Sensitive Use license. So what type of license is this????
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Hello All,
These licenses are sometimes part of custom or volume licenses that do not include a sensitive use option. We apologize for any confusion. We’re putting together a more detailed explanation of the different license types which we will communicate on our blog next week.
Best Regards,
Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
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Thanks Scott. Good to hear from you :)
For the record, if you want to send me through some unexplained but high sales, I'll take them all without complaint. ;D
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Hello All,
These licenses are sometimes part of custom or volume licenses that do not include a sensitive use option. We apologize for any confusion. We’re putting together a more detailed explanation of the different license types which we will communicate on our blog next week.
Best Regards,
Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
Great we all will be looking forward to this thank you for chiming in on this.
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anyone knows about the new $3.45 instead of the old $5.7 We/I used to get for the "Single & Other Downloads"?
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I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!
I had five $18 sales this week, much to my surprise - very nice! ;D It is particularly reassuring at a time when my sales on FT continue their downward spiral.
Congrats!!! And Amen to the FT comment :-\
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Hello All,
These licenses are sometimes part of custom or volume licenses that do not include a sensitive use option. We apologize for any confusion. We’re putting together a more detailed explanation of the different license types which we will communicate on our blog next week.
Best Regards,
Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
Thanks for posting Scott. As you can see, we've all been very curious! Nice to get those $18 sales, and good to have it confirmed they are not for sensitive uses :)
Looking forward to more details in the blog.
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I felt a bit left out - I'd had the $5.70 sales, but not the higher ones. Today I had one of the $18 commissions. I'll be interested to see the rundown of what the licenses are that go with these (hoping that it's not a substitute for the $28 EL).
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I felt a bit left out - I'd had the $5.70 sales, but not the higher ones. Today I had one of the $18 commissions. I'll be interested to see the rundown of what the licenses are that go with these (hoping that it's not a substitute for the $28 EL).
No the $28 EL is still there.
Some of these are going as high as $99 right now.
Also if you all remember right what it is called! It is not called a Single On Demand it is called "Single and Other downloads" so it is the Otherthat is being sold.
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Hello,
As promised, we've posted a brief summary of these license types on our blog:
http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/individual-image-licenses-update (http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/individual-image-licenses-update)
Best Regards,
Scott
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PRobably a good idea to tell them. They might not be aware that some browsers aren't reading the page properly.
Brilliant, Firefox bugs alone would leave roughly 36% of SS users out in the cold.
Firefox, Google Chrome, and Internet Explorer are the most popular browsers today.
2012 IExplorer Firefox Chrome Safari Opera
April 18.3 % 35.8 % 38.3 % 4.5 % 2.3 %
March 18.9 % 36.3 % 37.3 % 4.4 % 2.3 %
February 19.5 % 36.6 % 36.3 % 4.5 % 2.3 %
January 20.1 % 37.1 % 35.3 % 4.3 % 2.4 %
http://www.w3schools.com/ (http://www.w3schools.com/)
Have any of you checked the long list of cookies SS is using these days. They could be serving different package options and or content to each buyer.
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Color me confused but I was under the impression that it would be a complete breakdown of what the commission is based on what they're being used for because I don't see how that answers what we've been asking. It's a bit vague to me. Sorry.
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Color me confused but I was under the impression that it would be a complete breakdown of what the commission is based on what they're being used for because I don't see how that answers what we've been asking. It's a bit vague to me. Sorry.
I did get that the "extraordinary" commissions are reserved for those who opted in to "sensitive use" category -- specifically, the $75-$90 (and more) commissions.
I think that answered my question even tho I would like to see more detail. Color me satisfied. :P
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Thanks Scott, but that doesnt cut it for me at all!
· A license without a sensitive use option.
For individual images downloaded under these licenses, the contributor will typically receive a royalty of $2 to $15 or more, based on the cost of the license and the contributor’s earnings tier (20 to 30%).
· A license with a sensitive use option.
These licenses typically result in a royalty of up to $75 to $90 or more, also based on the cost of the license and contributor’s earnings tier. You must be opted into sensitive uses (an option found on your contributor account page) for your images to be available for this type of license. Receiving one of these royalties does not indicate that your image was or will be used in a sensitive manner. In fact, we expect that the vast majority of these licenses will not result in a sensitive use.
Both of these licenses can increase your earnings potential at a higher-than-typical royalty amount. We are very excited to bring more of these sales opportunities to you.
What determines the prices of these licenses? Are the license terms different (i.e are they 'extra enhanced') through the different amounts customers are paying for them?
For example: i received $2.80 for an 'other', not OD download yesterday. I suppose this is a single image download at a pretty big discount (seeing i normally get between $5-8 for those)? If i receive an $18 for an 'other' download, is this still a single image download (at a heavy inflated price ???), or is this a sort of enhanced download, and what extra uses are permitted then? And if i get $75-90 is it a single image download with as extra 'sensitive use'? (although this doesnt make sense because also people who are opted out get those amounts) .
A little transparency goes a long way, and quite frankly i think we're entitled to know how and under what license terms or images are sold.
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A little transparency goes a long way, and quite frankly i think we're entitled to know how and under what license terms or images are sold.
+1
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Thanks Scott, but that doesnt cut it for me at all!
What determines the prices of these licenses?
To clarify, these licenses are part of individually negotiated sales to high-volume buyers. Pricing may be based on the volume of images being requested, the nature of the anticipated use (for example, advertising vs. editorial publishing), the level of commitment from the buyer, the need for multi-user accounts, and such things as special billing and workflow features. In addition, we have already noted the option for sensitive use.
We don’t publish the details of any one sale, but we hope this provides general insight into some of the factors that are considered in custom pricing.
Best Regards,
Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
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Thanks Scott, but that doesnt cut it for me at all!
What determines the prices of these licenses?
To clarify, these licenses are part of individually negotiated sales to high-volume buyers. Pricing may be based on the volume of images being requested, the nature of the anticipated use (for example, advertising vs. editorial publishing), the level of commitment from the buyer, the need for multi-user accounts, and such things as special billing and workflow features. In addition, we have already noted the option for sensitive use.
We don’t publish the details of any one sale, but we hope this provides general insight into some of the factors that are considered in custom pricing.
Best Regards,
Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
I am sure we are getting the 20%-30% SS have announced before, that is certainly the more important!
thanks for showing up here, we appreciate it!
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Thanks, Scott!
I'm fine with this arrangement. It's no different than Alamy's RF negotiated sales where we don't learn all the details.
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Thanks Scott, but that doesnt cut it for me at all!
What determines the prices of these licenses?
To clarify, these licenses are part of individually negotiated sales to high-volume buyers. Pricing may be based on the volume of images being requested, the nature of the anticipated use (for example, advertising vs. editorial publishing), the level of commitment from the buyer, the need for multi-user accounts, and such things as special billing and workflow features. In addition, we have already noted the option for sensitive use.
We don’t publish the details of any one sale, but we hope this provides general insight into some of the factors that are considered in custom pricing.
Best Regards,
Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
Thanks for the additional info Scott, as much as i'd love to have all the details, this already tells us a lot more... i'm reassured ;)
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I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm not happy that I can't read the license terms under which an image of mine was sold. I'm sure you're not giving away the store for a small amount of money, but I have no way of knowing what rights you're negotiating for those fees.
Depending on the terms granted, those royalties could be fine or totally and utterly unacceptable. Telling me I can't know anything but the money I received is just not OK
I think you need to go back to the drawing board and come up with at a minimum a list of the basic terms and options you offer with these deals and the royalties that go with them.
If you won't provide any information on what you're doing, then I want an opt out for those (not just for sensitive uses). I can't believe that an agency that has been reasonably transparent and straightforward for so long would be trying to pull this "you can't know anything but the money you receive" stunt.