Author Topic: Single Image No Longer in Trial Mode? (Read 21130 times)

THP Creative · « **on:** February 20, 2012, 20:09 »

http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtml

Anyone noticed they changed this page recently? Im in Australia, and it shows I can now get a single image download for $19. So I am guessing the trial period where it seemed to only be parts of the US is now over?

I think they also removed the 25 image pack if I remember correctly?

dcdp · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2012, 22:17 »

I just went to the page you indicated and I can only see subs sales and Multi-Image on demand stuff, no Single image on Demand. I'm in Australia too (hi!)

THP Creative · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2012, 22:26 »

How on earth do i insert an image here!? I have a screen grab I can show, but can't figure out how!

THP Creative · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2012, 22:27 »

STRANGEST thing....

Just tried the link in Firefox and you're right - no single image option.

Tried it in Safari - Single Image Option!!

What on earth!!??

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2012, 23:42 »

PRobably a good idea to tell them. They might not be aware that some browsers aren't reading the page properly.

ShadySue · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2012, 05:52 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on February 20, 2012, 23:42

PRobably a good idea to tell them. They might not be aware that some browsers aren't reading the page properly.

It's their job to be aware of cross-browser compatibility.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2012, 06:20 »

Browsers are annoying things for web developers. Each browser can show things differently and then there are so many versions of a particular browser. It can be frustrating to say the least and can take a lot of time to figure out the solution.

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2012, 06:27 »

Quote from: THP on February 20, 2012, 22:26

How on earth do i insert an image here!? I have a screen grab I can show, but can't figure out how!

Go to a photo sharing website and sign up so you can copy the info from the pic and then you can put it up anywhere you want to.

zager · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2012, 06:29 »

It's probably A/B testing. A technique to learn what setup works best for the customer by serving two similar pages to a lot of readers and measuring result...

THP Creative · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2012, 22:38 »

Ah, not going to bother with the screen grab, just rest assured I'm not making this up!

Interesting thoughts zager, hadn't considered that was even a possibility!

Has anyone else tried Safari on this page?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2012, 22:40 »

not available in Portugal

THP Creative · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2012, 17:57 »

ok Screen grab time! (thanks Milinz for the tip!)

Hope it works...

Any thoughts?

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2012, 19:04 »

Quote from: THP on February 22, 2012, 17:57

ok Screen grab time! (thanks Milinz for the tip!)

Hope it works...

Any thoughts?

Ah you know, I didn't even check the first time you posted, but I just checked now and I have it on on Firefox, but still the old one on Chrome.

THP Creative · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2012, 20:05 »

wow glad it's not just me. So I'm not going crazy after all....

Still doesn't seem to make much sense that it's somewhat browser dependent...?

RacePhoto · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2012, 23:44 »

Quote from: THP on February 22, 2012, 20:05

wow glad it's not just me. So I'm not going crazy after all....

Still doesn't seem to make much sense that it's somewhat browser dependent...?

I'm confused as heck. My subscribe page has the $19 in the third column. (not 4th) Below the frequent use in Explorer.

Anyway, I went and checked. USA Mid-States. Chrome and Firefox identical. Explorer is very different looking. But all have the $19 image option.

THP Creative · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2012, 01:21 »

wow, would love to know an explanation on this. It's kinda intriguing...

RacePhoto · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2012, 16:37 »

Quote from: THP on February 23, 2012, 01:21

wow, would love to know an explanation on this. It's kinda intriguing...

Oh wait... I went and looked at a portfilio http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery.mhtml?id=953314 (who seems to be a really, really new member, doesn't show in the stats, so within the last two weeks?) ID number is 953314 which I thought was interesting. Anyway...

When I clicked a photo and looked at prices, hey guess what, the $19 option is now in the center box and there are three boxes. Not four, now stacked, but three wide? Remember I was the one who had it on all three browsers, now viewing someones pictures, it's a different version of the page.

Might be that different servers for the images locations, have different versions of this? Today's with Explorer (different from yesterday)

png image hosting

Below = the one I get when logged in and using Chrome:

free image hosting

Maybe they are having a good time watching us try to figure this out?

helix7 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 24, 2012, 19:55 »

I hope the single image OD is here to stay. I got 3 of them today.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2012, 01:20 »

Quote from: helix7 on February 24, 2012, 19:55

I hope the single image OD is here to stay. I got 3 of them today.

Stop it, I'm getting jealous!

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2012, 15:52 »

Hot Dang! Just as monthly targets appear out of reach ... Single ... and other downloads to the rescue. What' not to love about SS?

THP Creative · « **Reply #21 on:** February 29, 2012, 19:05 »

Has anyone got any Single's from anywhere other than the USA?

borg · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2012, 14:55 »

I received 16,80$ yesterday, as single image sale!
What is it, usual is cca 5$?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2012, 14:57 »

Quote from: borg on April 20, 2012, 14:55

I received 16,80$ yesterday, as single image sale!
What is it, usual is cca 5$?

never had one so high only the regular (5.32$) not far from the last level but I believe that is the sensitive use no?

borg · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2012, 16:48 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on April 20, 2012, 14:57

Quote from: borg on April 20, 2012, 14:55
I received 16,80$ yesterday, as single image sale!
What is it, usual is cca 5$?

never had one so high only the regular (5.32$) not far from the last level but I believe that is the sensitive use no?

Maybe, but I don't know what can be sensitive on this photo...

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=73299769

lisafx · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2012, 17:03 »

I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!

gostwyck · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2012, 17:37 »

Quote from: lisafx on April 20, 2012, 17:03

I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!

Same here. Good stuff!

Lawren · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2012, 19:08 »

I have two $16.8 this week. But 0 EL this month.

fotografer · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2012, 05:13 »

Quote from: lisafx on April 20, 2012, 17:03

I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!

I didn't know such high commission single image dls existed. I have never had more than $5.70

lisafx · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2012, 09:41 »

Quote from: fotografer on April 21, 2012, 05:13

Quote from: lisafx on April 20, 2012, 17:03
I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!
I didn't know such high commission single image dls existed. I have never had more than $5.70

This seems to be something new. I hadn't had any above 5.70 either until a week or two ago.

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2012, 10:59 »

There is also someone who got $70 a piece for two SOD's for a total of $140.

That is pretty darn good.

Must be something new going on?

wut · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2012, 11:53 »

Quote from: borg on April 20, 2012, 16:48

Quote from: luissantos84 on April 20, 2012, 14:57
Quote from: borg on April 20, 2012, 14:55
I received 16,80$ yesterday, as single image sale!
What is it, usual is cca 5$?

never had one so high only the regular (5.32$) not far from the last level but I believe that is the sensitive use no?

Maybe, but I don't know what can be sensitive on this photo...

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=73299769

It's the model of laptop that only pedos use

. Sensitive enough?

Morphart · « **Reply #32 on:** April 24, 2012, 16:56 »

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on April 21, 2012, 10:59

There is also someone who got $70 a piece for two SOD's for a total of $140.

That is pretty darn good.

Must be something new going on?

Very nice. Had my first 18.00$ one also. I wonder what are those "other" license. I don't see that type of pricing anywhere on their site (only the single download at 19.00$ which should give us around 5.70$ for highest comission)

Sure can't complain about that

THP Creative · « **Reply #33 on:** April 24, 2012, 19:33 »

Is everyone who got the $18 or more enrolled in the sensitive use program? I remember the Shutterbuzz article saying you will still get the Sensitive Use payout even if the image wont be used in a sensitive way if it is purchased by the large client using that licensing system.

I am still wondering whether to enroll in SU or not. Hmm..

Anita Potter · « **Reply #34 on:** April 24, 2012, 19:37 »

I think someone got one for a higher amount and they said they were opted out of the SU license.

stockmarketer · « **Reply #35 on:** April 24, 2012, 20:46 »

I've been seeing a gradually growing number of single image sales... including a $18 yesterday... but I've noticed that the ELs seem to have dried up all of a sudden. Had about a dozen spread out the first 13 days of this month, then none since then. But when they stopped, the single image downloads seemed to have ramped up. Coincidence?

Morphart · « **Reply #36 on:** April 24, 2012, 22:32 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on April 24, 2012, 20:46

I've been seeing a gradually growing number of single image sales... including a $18 yesterday... but I've noticed that the ELs seem to have dried up all of a sudden. Had about a dozen spread out the first 13 days of this month, then none since then. But when they stopped, the single image downloads seemed to have ramped up. Coincidence?

I got 4 EL yesterday before my 1st 18.00$ sale.

I do not think they are related to EL

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #37 on:** April 25, 2012, 09:00 »

Here is a quote from someone who is opted out of the sensitive use license and he still got a $28 SOD.

Quote

mattgibson It's not sensitive use licenses - I am opted out of it

rubyroo · « **Reply #38 on:** April 25, 2012, 09:08 »

SODs are based on a percentage of the sale price. I don't know if SS keep absolutely fixed prices for every client or whether they vary them sometimes for specific types of service. But that would explain what some are seeing as unusual cuts, no?

tomac · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2012, 10:59 »

It's only today that I got aware of the changes that Shutterstock had implemented in the buyer's account. Now looks pretty much like Depositphotos'.

It's obvious that Depositphotos is now under great attention of the managers of large microstocks who started copying their innovations (for instance, a month ago, Fotolia announced a free subscription giving 25 images).

Also, one can come across Dreamstime's banners that visibly resemble Depositphotos' ones.

If top-ranked microstocks imitate newcomers, they should be concerned of losing a big share.

Not that it's bad in relation to the other microstocks, but I wouldn't like my earnings at Shuterstock to be impacted in a bad way.

Anyway, I really enjoy watching microstocks copying each other's ideas trying to hold their ground. Seems like somebody's got lack of creative thinking...

Sure, it's pretty easy to duplicate the features of new fast-growing microstocks since it can be always shown like a newcomer imitates a dinosaur. But we know for sure who owns the ideas. I'm not saying that DP invented a wheel when they started their growth in the industry. But we're not talking about using the scheme that is as old as the industry itself, but about simply copying fresh ideas.

If I were a manager of any large microstock who'd stolen features and ideas from the others, I'd pay bigger attention to the creative staff instead of switching it among agencies. There's no harm in looking anew just like Depositphotos does.

tomac · « **Reply #40 on:** April 25, 2012, 11:10 »

lisafx · « **Reply #41 on:** April 25, 2012, 11:14 »

Quote from: THP on April 24, 2012, 19:33

Is everyone who got the $18 or more enrolled in the sensitive use program? I remember the Shutterbuzz article saying you will still get the Sensitive Use payout even if the image wont be used in a sensitive way if it is purchased by the large client using that licensing system.

I am still wondering whether to enroll in SU or not. Hmm..

I'm opted out of sensitive use too.

THP Creative · « **Reply #42 on:** April 25, 2012, 18:23 »

Thanks guys, that makes me feel better. Have been so torn over SU, but I'm glad to know these other higher sales are still available to those of us opted out.

THP Creative · « **Reply #43 on:** April 25, 2012, 18:53 »

Ha, just check my SS account this morning, and you wouldn't believe it.... a $16.80 Single & Other download! Woo! Seems you just need to complain in this forum and the sales start rolling...

Anita Potter · « **Reply #44 on:** April 25, 2012, 19:24 »

I've only ever seen the $4.75 variety...would be nice to see one of those larger ones for sure.

fotografer · « **Reply #45 on:** April 27, 2012, 14:43 »

Just got my first 18$ sale

Artemis · « **Reply #46 on:** April 27, 2012, 18:25 »

A lot of blindly woo yay'ing for SS.
We suddenly see a totally new amount of commissions popping up and everybody just starts cheering while nobody even seems to wonder where it comes from. Just like i wanted more transparency from iS i want it from SS too. $18 to $70 sales sure are nice, but where the heck are they coming from?! Its clearly not sensitive use, and probably not single image buyers either (afaik they go for roughly $19 each of which we get 30%). So what is this? What are the license terms?! What are buyers charged for this mysterious product(s?) and do we really get 30%?
Am i really the only one wondering about this?!

luissantos84 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 27, 2012, 18:28 »

Quote from: Artemis on April 27, 2012, 18:25

A lot of blindly woo yay'ing for SS.
We suddenly see a totally new amount of commissions popping up and everybody just starts cheering while nobody even seems to wonder where it comes from. Just like i wanted more transparency from iS i want it from SS too. $18 sales sure are nice, but where the heck are they coming from?! Its clearly not sensitive use, and probably not single image buyers either (afaik they go for roughly $19 each of which we get 30%). So what is this? What are the license terms?! What are buyers charged for this mysterious product and do we really get 30%?
Am i really the only one wondering about this?!

ahah I believe you can look into SS pricing, I don´t see any Single Image pricing for Portugal/Ireland, please somebody help Artemis here

robynmac · « **Reply #48 on:** April 27, 2012, 23:36 »

Quote from: lisafx on April 20, 2012, 17:03

I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!

I had five $18 sales this week, much to my surprise - very nice!

It is particularly reassuring at a time when my sales on FT continue their downward spiral.

NancyCWalker · « **Reply #49 on:** May 07, 2012, 14:38 »

As far as I can tell there is only information about subs and on demand on the site. I can't find anything to state what "Single Image" sales are. I've had one of these and am curious as to what they are as well. As some else said, it's nice having the larger pay but I'd still like to know what that means.

nicku · « **Reply #50 on:** May 18, 2012, 00:51 »

I got today an single & other download for $15. I am OPT OUT at Sensitive Use license. So what type of license is this?

scottbraut · « **Reply #51 on:** May 18, 2012, 06:25 »

Hello All,

These licenses are sometimes part of custom or volume licenses that do not include a sensitive use option. We apologize for any confusion. We’re putting together a more detailed explanation of the different license types which we will communicate on our blog next week.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

rubyroo · « **Reply #52 on:** May 18, 2012, 06:34 »

Thanks Scott. Good to hear from you

For the record, if you want to send me through some unexplained but high sales, I'll take them all without complaint.

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #53 on:** May 18, 2012, 06:36 »

Quote from: scottbraut on May 18, 2012, 06:25

Hello All,

These licenses are sometimes part of custom or volume licenses that do not include a sensitive use option. We apologize for any confusion. We’re putting together a more detailed explanation of the different license types which we will communicate on our blog next week.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Great we all will be looking forward to this thank you for chiming in on this.

kapreski · « **Reply #54 on:** May 18, 2012, 12:13 »

anyone knows about the new $3.45 instead of the old $5.7 We/I used to get for the "Single & Other Downloads"?

Mantis · « **Reply #55 on:** May 18, 2012, 13:29 »

Quote from: robynmac on April 27, 2012, 23:36

Quote from: lisafx on April 20, 2012, 17:03
I've gotten a few $18 single image downloads. Very nice way to fatten the daily tally!
I had five $18 sales this week, much to my surprise - very nice! It is particularly reassuring at a time when my sales on FT continue their downward spiral.

Congrats!!! And Amen to the FT comment $:-\$

lisafx · « **Reply #56 on:** May 18, 2012, 17:46 »

Quote from: scottbraut on May 18, 2012, 06:25

Hello All,

These licenses are sometimes part of custom or volume licenses that do not include a sensitive use option. We apologize for any confusion. We’re putting together a more detailed explanation of the different license types which we will communicate on our blog next week.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Thanks for posting Scott. As you can see, we've all been very curious! Nice to get those $18 sales, and good to have it confirmed they are not for sensitive uses

Looking forward to more details in the blog.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #57 on:** May 21, 2012, 09:12 »

I felt a bit left out - I'd had the $5.70 sales, but not the higher ones. Today I had one of the $18 commissions. I'll be interested to see the rundown of what the licenses are that go with these (hoping that it's not a substitute for the $28 EL).

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #58 on:** May 21, 2012, 16:39 »

Quote from: jsnover on May 21, 2012, 09:12

I felt a bit left out - I'd had the $5.70 sales, but not the higher ones. Today I had one of the $18 commissions. I'll be interested to see the rundown of what the licenses are that go with these (hoping that it's not a substitute for the $28 EL).

No the $28 EL is still there.

Some of these are going as high as $99 right now.

Also if you all remember right what it is called! It is not called a Single On Demand it is called "Single and Other downloads" so it is the Otherthat is being sold.

gbalex · « **Reply #60 on:** May 25, 2012, 15:30 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on February 20, 2012, 23:42

PRobably a good idea to tell them. They might not be aware that some browsers aren't reading the page properly.

Brilliant, Firefox bugs alone would leave roughly 36% of SS users out in the cold.

Firefox, Google Chrome, and Internet Explorer are the most popular browsers today.

2012    IExplorer    Firefox    Chrome    Safari    Opera
April     18.3 %    35.8 %    38.3 %    4.5 %    2.3 %
March    18.9 %    36.3 %    37.3 %    4.4 %    2.3 %
February    19.5 %    36.6 %    36.3 %    4.5 %    2.3 %
January    20.1 %    37.1 %    35.3 %    4.3 %    2.4 %

http://www.w3schools.com/

Have any of you checked the long list of cookies SS is using these days. They could be serving different package options and or content to each buyer.

Anita Potter · « **Reply #61 on:** May 25, 2012, 15:32 »

Color me confused but I was under the impression that it would be a complete breakdown of what the commission is based on what they're being used for because I don't see how that answers what we've been asking. It's a bit vague to me. Sorry.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #62 on:** May 25, 2012, 15:54 »

Quote from: Anita Potter on May 25, 2012, 15:32

Color me confused but I was under the impression that it would be a complete breakdown of what the commission is based on what they're being used for because I don't see how that answers what we've been asking. It's a bit vague to me. Sorry.

I did get that the "extraordinary" commissions are reserved for those who opted in to "sensitive use" category -- specifically, the $75-$90 (and more) commissions.

I think that answered my question even tho I would like to see more detail. Color me satisfied.

Artemis · « **Reply #63 on:** May 25, 2012, 17:03 »

Thanks Scott, but that doesnt cut it for me at all!
· A license without a sensitive use option.
For individual images downloaded under these licenses, the contributor will typically receive a royalty of $2 to $15 or more, based on the cost of the license and the contributor’s earnings tier (20 to 30%).

· A license with a sensitive use option.
These licenses typically result in a royalty of up to $75 to $90 or more, also based on the cost of the license and contributor’s earnings tier. You must be opted into sensitive uses (an option found on your contributor account page) for your images to be available for this type of license. Receiving one of these royalties does not indicate that your image was or will be used in a sensitive manner. In fact, we expect that the vast majority of these licenses will not result in a sensitive use.

Both of these licenses can increase your earnings potential at a higher-than-typical royalty amount. We are very excited to bring more of these sales opportunities to you.
What determines the prices of these licenses? Are the license terms different (i.e are they 'extra enhanced') through the different amounts customers are paying for them?
For example: i received $2.80 for an 'other', not OD download yesterday. I suppose this is a single image download at a pretty big discount (seeing i normally get between $5-8 for those)? If i receive an $18 for an 'other' download, is this still a single image download (at a heavy inflated price

), or is this a sort of enhanced download, and what extra uses are permitted then? And if i get $75-90 is it a single image download with as extra 'sensitive use'? (although this doesnt make sense because also people who are opted out get those amounts) .
A little transparency goes a long way, and quite frankly i think we're entitled to know how and under what license terms or images are sold.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #64 on:** May 25, 2012, 17:05 »

Quote from: Artemis on May 25, 2012, 17:03

A little transparency goes a long way, and quite frankly i think we're entitled to know how and under what license terms or images are sold.

+1

luissantos84 · « **Reply #66 on:** May 26, 2012, 10:18 »

Quote from: scottbraut on May 26, 2012, 07:27

Quote from: Artemis on May 25, 2012, 17:03
Thanks Scott, but that doesnt cut it for me at all!
What determines the prices of these licenses?

To clarify, these licenses are part of individually negotiated sales to high-volume buyers. Pricing may be based on the volume of images being requested, the nature of the anticipated use (for example, advertising vs. editorial publishing), the level of commitment from the buyer, the need for multi-user accounts, and such things as special billing and workflow features. In addition, we have already noted the option for sensitive use.

We don’t publish the details of any one sale, but we hope this provides general insight into some of the factors that are considered in custom pricing.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

I am sure we are getting the 20%-30% SS have announced before, that is certainly the more important!

thanks for showing up here, we appreciate it!

Karimala · « **Reply #67 on:** May 26, 2012, 10:23 »

Thanks, Scott!

I'm fine with this arrangement. It's no different than Alamy's RF negotiated sales where we don't learn all the details.

Artemis · « **Reply #68 on:** May 26, 2012, 18:02 »

Quote from: scottbraut on May 26, 2012, 07:27

Quote from: Artemis on May 25, 2012, 17:03
Thanks Scott, but that doesnt cut it for me at all!
What determines the prices of these licenses?

To clarify, these licenses are part of individually negotiated sales to high-volume buyers. Pricing may be based on the volume of images being requested, the nature of the anticipated use (for example, advertising vs. editorial publishing), the level of commitment from the buyer, the need for multi-user accounts, and such things as special billing and workflow features. In addition, we have already noted the option for sensitive use.

We don’t publish the details of any one sale, but we hope this provides general insight into some of the factors that are considered in custom pricing.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Thanks for the additional info Scott, as much as i'd love to have all the details, this already tells us a lot more... i'm reassured

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #69 on:** May 26, 2012, 20:09 »

I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm not happy that I can't read the license terms under which an image of mine was sold. I'm sure you're not giving away the store for a small amount of money, but I have no way of knowing what rights you're negotiating for those fees.

Depending on the terms granted, those royalties could be fine or totally and utterly unacceptable. Telling me I can't know anything but the money I received is just not OK

I think you need to go back to the drawing board and come up with at a minimum a list of the basic terms and options you offer with these deals and the royalties that go with them.

If you won't provide any information on what you're doing, then I want an opt out for those (not just for sensitive uses). I can't believe that an agency that has been reasonably transparent and straightforward for so long would be trying to pull this "you can't know anything but the money you receive" stunt.

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