Author Topic: Skillfeed by Shutterstock, Inc (Read 9428 times)

Poncke · « **on:** December 27, 2012, 16:55 »

This might be one of Oringers new projects he was talking about.

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TERMS OF SERVICE
The following is a legally binding agreement between you and Shutterstock, Inc., the owner and operator of www.skillfeed.com (hereinafter 'Skillfeed').

http://skillfeed.com/#/tos

http://skillfeed.com/

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We are building the world's largest library of video tutorials.
Join Us!

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How much do I get paid for my work?
You get paid for every minute viewed. At the end of the month we go back and add up all the minutes viewed for each video. We then add up all the revenue we made during the month. We take 30% of our revenue and split it among all paid minutes (plus a 10% bonus for content uploaded before we are live). We then send you your payment via PayPal on the 15th of the month for the previous month.
How much does it cost to become a contributor?
Absolutely nothing. Our goal is to pay YOU!

But why would anyone pay for something that is literally FREE all over the internet. Youtube anyone?

pancaketom · « **Reply #1 on:** December 27, 2012, 17:01 »

I am guessing they want to sell ads around the video - for instance if you watch a video for how to do plumbing, they show ads for plumbing supplies and plumbers. If that is the case, the revenue could be pretty slim, especially at first. I should upload a "how to pole dance" video - that might get a lot of minutes of watching - as long as I am not the dancer.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #2 on:** December 27, 2012, 17:04 »

I'm not sure if anyone would pay for a couple of video tutorials from random contributors.

First of all, most tutorials are available for free on various video sites. Secondly, there are tutorial dvd's from professional training companies (Gnomon Workshop, for instance).

Poncke · « **Reply #3 on:** December 27, 2012, 17:06 »

I think its only for graphic design, etc, for now at least

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What is Skillfeed?
Skillfeed is the easiest way to learn creative skills, such as design, photography and video. Instructors from around the world submit video tutorials for review by our team. We make the best tutorials available to our members, and then pay instructors based on the popularity of their content. Our mission is to help our members be better at their job, while helping instructors find a broader audience.

What type of content will Skillfeed offer?
Professional instructional videos that help you learn new skills and become better at your job. Maybe you’re a graphic designer and you want to know how to use the latest version of Adobe Photoshop. Or maybe you’re an online marketer and you want to learn how to make a video for a landing page. Skillfeed's online tutorials help folks to be more successful in their career and beyond.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 27, 2012, 17:10 »

thanks for sharing, nice to know what Jon is working on

Poncke · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2012, 17:33 »

The hilarious part is, their own instruction video is on youtube LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mdq84neUZIM

elvinstar · « **Reply #6 on:** December 27, 2012, 17:41 »

Haven't you ever heard of Lynda.com?

There is definitely money to be made selling tutorials!

stockastic · « **Reply #7 on:** December 27, 2012, 18:18 »

I hardly ever look for "how to" videos any more. They're usually tedious - dragged-out introductions, unfocused narration and a glacial pace - and so poorly shot that critical details are missed. When I'm looking for help with a DIY project I have about 5 seconds of patience for a video - if it doesn't get immediately to the point, I move on.

I won't sit through ads inf front because I figure the chance is low that I'll watch the actual video anyway.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #8 on:** December 27, 2012, 22:52 »

Quote from: elvinstar on December 27, 2012, 17:41

Haven't you ever heard of Lynda.com?

There is definitely money to be made selling tutorials!

I've used lynda.com and in general I think their tutorials are of very high quality, but I can't see crowdsourcing the sort of thing they have - and I can't see paying for random tutorials from random contributors given the mass of stuff already out there.

The lynda authors are "brands" for the most part - people folks already have come across in some other capacity and know their expertise. Plus they follow through with a whole series on a new release of a product, or all products in a suite. As an example, a few years ago, I came back to using Illustrator after a long break and I watched a series of stuff on the current release.

I don't know how Kelby is doing in competing with lynda.com, but I wasn't as impressed with their stable. But there's NAPP to promote Kelby's stuff, so perhaps they're making headway. So you have two big names in that area already slugging it out and Shutterstock thinks they can knock them off their perch somehow? Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

On top of which this variable "royalty pool" scheme that they're proposing to pay contributors is the same thing 123rf started with in 2005. It wasn't long before they had to make a minimum payment - why would you knock yourself out creating something for an unknown and variable payment?

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I think this isn't an idea with legs.

michaeldb · « **Reply #9 on:** December 27, 2012, 23:40 »

Quote from: jsnover on December 27, 2012, 22:52

...Perhaps I'm missing something, but I think this isn't an idea with legs.

I have to agree. It looks like SS has mocked this up, lean-startup style, to see what feedback they can get. It's a 'project' (their video even uses that word) and not a real business model. I can't believe it will fly with the mix of features they have now, but maybe the feedback will help them redesign it into something that will work. SS certainly has the resources to build it. And it is always good to see new marketplaces for creatives.

THP Creative · « **Reply #10 on:** December 27, 2012, 23:54 »

Aren't other sites like tutsplus.com, which is part of the Envato network (Photodune, graphic river etc) basically the same as this? They offer some freebies but try and get people to sign up to a "Premium" service. And people can contribute tutorials to it - they have sometimes asked for it on the forums at ThemeForest.

It seems to have worked well for Envato.

Microbius · « **Reply #11 on:** December 28, 2012, 03:37 »

Quote from: michaeldb on December 27, 2012, 23:40

Quote from: jsnover on December 27, 2012, 22:52
...Perhaps I'm missing something, but I think this isn't an idea with legs.
I have to agree. It looks like SS has mocked this up, lean-startup style, to see what feedback they can get. It's a 'project' (their video even uses that word) and not a real business model. I can't believe it will fly with the mix of features they have now, but maybe the feedback will help them redesign it into something that will work. SS certainly has the resources to build it. And it is always good to see new marketplaces for creatives.

+1
People pay for Lynda exactly so they can avoid all the noise that comes crowdsourcing. Try finding a decent tutorial on YouTube. They are there but buried in a piles of useless ones. Much like the internet in general, and why stock sites are curated rather than free-for-alls.

gostwyck · « **Reply #12 on:** December 28, 2012, 05:33 »

Quote from: jsnover on December 27, 2012, 22:52

I've used lynda.com and in general I think their tutorials are of very high quality, but I can't see crowdsourcing the sort of thing they have - and I can't see paying for random tutorials from random contributors given the mass of stuff already out there.

The lynda authors are "brands" for the most part - people folks already have come across in some other capacity and know their expertise. Plus they follow through with a whole series on a new release of a product, or all products in a suite. As an example, a few years ago, I came back to using Illustrator after a long break and I watched a series of stuff on the current release.

I don't know how Kelby is doing in competing with lynda.com, but I wasn't as impressed with their stable. But there's NAPP to promote Kelby's stuff, so perhaps they're making headway. So you have two big names in that area already slugging it out and Shutterstock thinks they can knock them off their perch somehow? Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

On top of which this variable "royalty pool" scheme that they're proposing to pay contributors is the same thing 123rf started with in 2005. It wasn't long before they had to make a minimum payment - why would you knock yourself out creating something for an unknown and variable payment?

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I think this isn't an idea with legs.

Exactly. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that this is going to work. It never fails to amaze me how often major agencies come up with preposterous schemes that have no chance whatsoever of succeeding ... and invariably they fail within a few months. Add this one to the list. I can only think that Oringer is paying succour to one of his VP's 'big ideas'. Ridiculous.

Paying 'by the minute' might work for dodgy sex-lines ... but it's never going to work for tutorials (unless the 'presenter' has her t*ts out anyway).

gillian vann · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2013, 20:46 »

there could be a space for qualified tutorials. I know you can find anything on YouTube but 80% of it is rubbish, or tedious, or both.

this is me too:

Quote from: stockastic on December 27, 2012, 18:18

I hardly ever look for "how to" videos any more. They're usually tedious - dragged-out introductions, unfocused narration and a glacial pace - and so poorly shot that critical details are missed. When I'm looking for help with a DIY project I have about 5 seconds of patience for a video - if it doesn't get immediately to the point, I move on.

JPSDK · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2013, 21:08 »

Very smart.
There is a lot of potentials in distributing quality tutorials.

Ja ja, they are already on youtube, as pictures are on flicker.
But have you noticed how much crap you have to wade through before you get to something you can stand to watch.
Its about copyright and quality, just like pictures.
I think I will join.
First project will be how to make a new handle for an axe.

elvinstar · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2013, 21:58 »

There are many training sites out there. One that uses crowdsourcing (and does fairly well with it!) is uDemy.com. They have some good stuff on there and pay 70% commission.

michaeldb · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2013, 22:18 »

This startup sells video classes in crafts, mostly. A Wall Street Journal article said that the company is growing very fast and is already profitable and has not needed to use the $15 mil they raised in VC money.
http://www.craftsy.com/

gbalex · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2013, 08:12 »

The are looking for far more effective means to train the vast untapped crowd source newbies. The guys who spend time in the critique form trying to scare up business must not be offering the kind of training that will bring in increased profits for the stockholders.

Get buzy guys producing stellar tutorials detailing new and creative techniques which can utilized by your compitition to reproduce your best selling images.

I would think that they would really love it if we could produce a dirth of info for video post production.

Mantis · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2013, 08:55 »

Quote from: gostwyck on December 28, 2012, 05:33

Quote from: jsnover on December 27, 2012, 22:52
I've used lynda.com and in general I think their tutorials are of very high quality, but I can't see crowdsourcing the sort of thing they have - and I can't see paying for random tutorials from random contributors given the mass of stuff already out there.

The lynda authors are "brands" for the most part - people folks already have come across in some other capacity and know their expertise. Plus they follow through with a whole series on a new release of a product, or all products in a suite. As an example, a few years ago, I came back to using Illustrator after a long break and I watched a series of stuff on the current release.

I don't know how Kelby is doing in competing with lynda.com, but I wasn't as impressed with their stable. But there's NAPP to promote Kelby's stuff, so perhaps they're making headway. So you have two big names in that area already slugging it out and Shutterstock thinks they can knock them off their perch somehow? Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

On top of which this variable "royalty pool" scheme that they're proposing to pay contributors is the same thing 123rf started with in 2005. It wasn't long before they had to make a minimum payment - why would you knock yourself out creating something for an unknown and variable payment?

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I think this isn't an idea with legs.

Exactly. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that this is going to work. It never fails to amaze me how often major agencies come up with preposterous schemes that have no chance whatsoever of succeeding ... and invariably they fail within a few months. Add this one to the list. I can only think that Oringer is paying succour to one of his VP's 'big ideas'. Ridiculous.

Paying 'by the minute' might work for dodgy sex-lines ... but it's never going to work for tutorials (unless the 'presenter' has her t*ts out anyway).

It's not just the model that won't work, it's the content. I think it was on the SS forums a week or two ago where Rinderart was approached by SS to supply some of his video tutorials. If you've ever seen them they are awful and don't teach you anything. I use Lynda.com and have an account there and I would rather pay the subscription fee than have to sift through a bunch of horrible, meaningless videos to "hopefully" find one that works for me. If SS is going after the kind of video tuts RA offers, Skillfeed won't get any traction from the getgo.

michaeldb · « **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2013, 12:55 »

Quote from: Mantis on January 06, 2013, 08:55

It's not just the model that won't work, it's the content...

Yes. That's why craftsy.com is working, they have a production team to create a useful, quality product. If Skillfeed offers only a hodgepodge of youtubey stuff, it will not have much chance of success. Something more is needed. How do you get the 'crowd' to submit the kind of thing which is needed by serious learners?

ClaridgeJ · « **Reply #20 on:** January 07, 2013, 14:43 »

very good.

Poncke · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2013, 14:52 »

Quote from: Mantis on January 06, 2013, 08:55

Quote from: gostwyck on December 28, 2012, 05:33
Quote from: jsnover on December 27, 2012, 22:52
I've used lynda.com and in general I think their tutorials are of very high quality, but I can't see crowdsourcing the sort of thing they have - and I can't see paying for random tutorials from random contributors given the mass of stuff already out there.

The lynda authors are "brands" for the most part - people folks already have come across in some other capacity and know their expertise. Plus they follow through with a whole series on a new release of a product, or all products in a suite. As an example, a few years ago, I came back to using Illustrator after a long break and I watched a series of stuff on the current release.

I don't know how Kelby is doing in competing with lynda.com, but I wasn't as impressed with their stable. But there's NAPP to promote Kelby's stuff, so perhaps they're making headway. So you have two big names in that area already slugging it out and Shutterstock thinks they can knock them off their perch somehow? Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

On top of which this variable "royalty pool" scheme that they're proposing to pay contributors is the same thing 123rf started with in 2005. It wasn't long before they had to make a minimum payment - why would you knock yourself out creating something for an unknown and variable payment?

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I think this isn't an idea with legs.

Exactly. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that this is going to work. It never fails to amaze me how often major agencies come up with preposterous schemes that have no chance whatsoever of succeeding ... and invariably they fail within a few months. Add this one to the list. I can only think that Oringer is paying succour to one of his VP's 'big ideas'. Ridiculous.

Paying 'by the minute' might work for dodgy sex-lines ... but it's never going to work for tutorials (unless the 'presenter' has her t*ts out anyway).

It's not just the model that won't work, it's the content. I think it was on the SS forums a week or two ago where Rinderart was approached by SS to supply some of his video tutorials. If you've ever seen them they are awful and don't teach you anything. I use Lynda.com and have an account there and I would rather pay the subscription fee than have to sift through a bunch of horrible, meaningless videos to "hopefully" find one that works for me. If SS is going after the kind of video tuts RA offers, Skillfeed won't get any traction from the getgo.

Surely rinder and his partner need to take down all their tuts from Youtube and the lot, otherwise they wont have business. It would be the same as having your images in the public domain, and put them up on micros for sale

Result is that all their plugging of their tuts on youtube in the SS forum will become dead links. Or they start creating new vids specially made for Skillfeed.

Nevertheless, I need to see how this is going to work.

Poncke · « **Reply #22 on:** January 07, 2013, 14:55 »

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on January 07, 2013, 14:43

very good.

You went from Bullocks to very good. I am confused. Is Skillfeed a bad idea or very good.?

ClaridgeJ · « **Reply #23 on:** January 07, 2013, 15:00 »

Quote from: Poncke on January 07, 2013, 14:55

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on January 07, 2013, 14:43
very good.
You went from Bullocks to very good. I am confused. Is Skillfeed a bad idea or very good.?

I went from bullocks to very good because I suddenly realized that the bullocks was in fact very good. Try and work that one out?

Microbius · « **Reply #24 on:** January 07, 2013, 17:18 »

Quote from: Mantis on January 06, 2013, 08:55

It's not just the model that won't work, it's the content. I think it was on the SS forums a week or two ago where Rinderart was approached by SS to supply some of his video tutorials. If you've ever seen them they are awful and don't teach you anything. I use Lynda.com and have an account there and I would rather pay the subscription fee than have to sift through a bunch of horrible, meaningless videos to "hopefully" find one that works for me. If SS is going after the kind of video tuts RA offers, Skillfeed won't get any traction from the getgo.

Seriously, approaching the self proclaimed "experts" on the SS forums to contribute content is a really bad idea. They need to ask people who actually know what they are doing, though they are probably out there shooting, not making videos.

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