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farbled

« Reply #100 on: August 10, 2020, 12:21 »
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@Pete after all this time you are still clueless old timer so stick with your hobby and your niche while you still can but don't think for a minute you know how this business works. I might not know all the ins and outs but I do know a lot more then you do.
Like I said before it amazes me how little some of you microstock "vets" really know about this business. I already knew this a few months in but then I fought for my work so had a lot of discussions with support and other contributors.

Tell me, why wouldn't a reviewer do those things? Do you think admins are looking over their shoulder? Do you think with the small pay their reviewers get they will punish them? Do you still believe in the fairytale that everything in stock is fair play? Reviewers are cute little angels eagerly waiting for your outstanding work? Almost every serious contributor out there knows what I'm talking about, been there done that but you seem to be running around with blinders. Ask some 3D guys for starters but you can't be bothered right, it's a lot faster to just ridicule other people's posts. Well if that makes your day, sure why not Pete, have a go at it! ::)

@Farbled Why we resubmit? Why you think? Keep in mind there are people who take this business very seriously and often spend a day or more even on one image. Why go all the way? we had to, that's the difference between making 100 bucks or a 1000 bucks a month. But you are right in that many of us shouldn't even be in this business, we are expecting too much.
You contradict almost every point Pete made but still think he was right?
If you have been a reviewer you know I'm right. I was asked to review myself (not top or even middle tiers btw) and got a sneak peek into the workflow but that's all I'm going to say.

Take care and be safe lads, I'm off!

Lol, I guess I should bow to your oh so great judgement. After all, what would I know after being very clear about my incomes over the years. But hey, you don't like other contributors, I get that, you make it very clear what you think of others who don't think like you do. That's why I really struggle to take you seriously. Now go off and cry some more about how dumb we all are.. And if you are spending all day on an image that "may" net you ten cents (or thirty-eight which is somehow more palatable) then you go right ahead. And I'm the one who doesn't know the industry... right.


Snow

« Reply #101 on: August 10, 2020, 13:39 »
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@Pete after all this time you are still clueless old timer so stick with your hobby and your niche while you still can but don't think for a minute you know how this business works. I might not know all the ins and outs but I do know a lot more then you do.
Like I said before it amazes me how little some of you microstock "vets" really know about this business. I already knew this a few months in but then I fought for my work so had a lot of discussions with support and other contributors.

Tell me, why wouldn't a reviewer do those things? Do you think admins are looking over their shoulder? Do you think with the small pay their reviewers get they will punish them? Do you still believe in the fairytale that everything in stock is fair play? Reviewers are cute little angels eagerly waiting for your outstanding work? Almost every serious contributor out there knows what I'm talking about, been there done that but you seem to be running around with blinders. Ask some 3D guys for starters but you can't be bothered right, it's a lot faster to just ridicule other people's posts. Well if that makes your day, sure why not Pete, have a go at it! ::)

@Farbled Why we resubmit? Why you think? Keep in mind there are people who take this business very seriously and often spend a day or more even on one image. Why go all the way? we had to, that's the difference between making 100 bucks or a 1000 bucks a month. But you are right in that many of us shouldn't even be in this business, we are expecting too much.
You contradict almost every point Pete made but still think he was right?
If you have been a reviewer you know I'm right. I was asked to review myself (not top or even middle tiers btw) and got a sneak peek into the workflow but that's all I'm going to say.

Take care and be safe lads, I'm off!

Lol, I guess I should bow to your oh so great judgement. After all, what would I know after being very clear about my incomes over the years. But hey, you don't like other contributors, I get that, you make it very clear what you think of others who don't think like you do. That's why I really struggle to take you seriously. Now go off and cry some more about how dumb we all are.. And if you are spending all day on an image that "may" net you ten cents (or thirty-eight which is somehow more palatable) then you go right ahead. And I'm the one who doesn't know the industry... right.

Oh boy, you couldn't be much further from the truth. It's for fair reviews I have been fighting for all along, as with earnings. But in the end a lot of us don't seem to care anymore or never cared so I joined them. No new uploads to SS though, just to be clear.
What did you do? put your work on your website for free, good move, we should all do that, that'll teach m!
You don't have to take me seriously because I sure don't take you seriously after giving your work away for free but now decide to sell it again. What's next? Donation? or was that already part of it?
You were clear about your earnings over the years, good but what does that mean exactly? Many are posting their earnings on SS forum these days, nothing special.
I said that many of us don't belong in this industry or did you miss that part? 0.10c is ridiculous and so is 0.38c, hell even 1 dollar is nuts.
Don't act like you represent all other contributors and don't try to paint me as the bad guy here. I don't dislike others, on the contrary I admire a lot of them and I bet a lot more then you do which I'm guessing is probably none.
Apparently I just don't seem to like you though but that's perfectly fine, I can live with that.
I will satisfy your needs for today and let you have a go at it. I can't waste the energy because it's already 88 degrees over here.
So have a good one mate, Pete as well, enjoy!
« Last Edit: August 10, 2020, 13:45 by Snow »

farbled

« Reply #102 on: August 10, 2020, 14:03 »
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Oh boy, you couldn't be much further from the truth. It's for fair reviews I have been fighting for all along, as with earnings. But in the end a lot of us don't seem to care anymore or never cared so I joined them.
What did you do? put your work on your website for free, good move, we should all do that, that'll teach m!
You don't have to take me seriously because I sure don't take you seriously after giving your work away for free but now decide to sell it again. What's next? Donation? or was that already part of it?
You were clear about your earnings over the years, good but what does that mean exactly? Many are posting their earnings on SS forum these days, nothing special.
I said that many of us don't belong in this industry or did you miss that part? 0.10c is ridiculous and so is 0.38c, hell even 1 dollar is nuts.
Don't act like you represent all other contributors and don't try to paint me as the bad guy here. I don't dislike others, on the contrary I admire a lot of them and I bet a lot more then you do which I'm guessing is probably none.
Apparently I just don't seem to like you though but that's perfectly fine, I can live with that.
I will satisfy your needs for today and let you have a go at it. I can't waste the energy because it's already 88 degrees over here.
So have a good one mate, Pete as well, enjoy!
Bahaha, thank you for proving my point so well.

I have never said I represented all contributors and I never will. My only contention is that there is more than one way to make money here. Anyone who knows me in the 15 plus years I have been posting here, knows that. You are the one here constantly belittling other contributors in the name of solidarity, even though you did not delete your portfolio like others did (including me), you just moaned about how everyone else was dumb and why bother, so you left it up. So, in my book that makes you one of the bigger hyprocites around here since we are parsing older posts.

And as far as my free stuff goes, thanks for looking. I guess trying nothing at all is better than trying things that may or may not work. What happened when you did your research on free platforms? How many new contribs did you draw over (refer) to micro (which is perhaps the most useful thing you can do to combat the supposed devaluation of stock by the free sites)? How many clickthroughs did you get to your own site from freebies? how many legacy images have you put up that made money over the years but no longer, and therefore are more useful as advertising yourself?

And we both know you can waste the energy, because now you have a little soapbox to throw stones at people all the time. The nasty remarks take away from the occasional good points you make. Back on mute you go kid.

farbled

« Reply #103 on: August 10, 2020, 14:49 »
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@Pete after all this time you are still clueless old timer so stick with your hobby and your niche while you still can but don't think for a minute you know how this business works. I might not know all the ins and outs but I do know a lot more then you do.

Hey, I can't see a link to your port. How about showing us how much more you know?

« Reply #104 on: August 10, 2020, 15:42 »
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Or while Daddy is watching football, the kids can play at being a reviewer for awhile?  ;D

so, the pandemic should mean daddy has no sports so should be doing better reviews??  (and mommys watch sports too & SS probably has 2-3 female reviewers)

« Reply #105 on: August 10, 2020, 15:44 »
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It's nice to see that dissension and enmity aren't peculiar to the Shutterstock forum
Makes me feel at home.

farbled

« Reply #106 on: August 10, 2020, 15:45 »
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It's nice to see that dissension and enmity aren't peculiar to the Shutterstock forum
Makes me feel at home.
but... but.. they started it ;)

« Reply #107 on: August 10, 2020, 15:57 »
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@Pete after all this time you are still clueless old timer so stick with your hobby and your niche while you still can but don't think for a minute you know how this business works. I might not know all the ins and outs but I do know a lot more then you do.
Like I said before it amazes me how little some of you microstock "vets" really know about this business...

ok, you're back to insulting rather than discussing
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but you can't be bothered right, it's a lot faster to just ridicule other people's posts. Well if that makes your day, sure why not Pete, have a go at it! ::)

 Well if that makes your day, sure why not snow, have a go at it!


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If you have been a reviewer you know I'm right. I was asked to review myself....
a great loss to the industry, i'm sure since you know so much more than anyone else

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Take care and be safe lads, I'm off!
again?

« Reply #108 on: August 10, 2020, 19:16 »
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What I am learning from all the contributions presented here is that SS acquired a software that eliminated a percentage of images based on filters established for detecting the repetition of a word twice in the title or in the keywords. A filter that eliminated images that it detected as similar. Perhaps a filter that did not observe sharpness in a certain percentage of certain quality at any point in the image.

These image removal filters prior to reviewer examination were sold to SS as AI software to assist in material review.

The unfortunate function of these filters is the cause of some stupid rejections and it is determined that it is the SS AI that tests with serious defects.


Interesting, thank you.

« Reply #109 on: August 10, 2020, 20:40 »
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  but I do know a lot more then you do.     

Apparently not, or you would know it should be but I do know a lot more THAN (not then) you do. 😂

Snow

« Reply #110 on: August 11, 2020, 05:32 »
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  but I do know a lot more then you do.     

Apparently not, or you would know it should be but I do know a lot more THAN (not then) you do. 😂

Wow Cathy, you too? that surprises me. I expect nothing less from the usual trolls in here but you joining them and having a go at me as well? I thought you were one of the good people here like Jo Ann.
We all do what we do best...

I'll make more room for the trolls and better educated people by removing myself.

Thanks Tyler for having this available to us contributors. Like I said before many of us would be in the dark if it wasn't for this forum. I don't know what I was thinking though joining the discussions because I knew it would turn out like this. This is exactly why many stick to reading instead of posting. Lesson learned  ::)

To all contributors, best of luck in everything you do, we're all in this together (most of us anyway) and stay safe!

« Reply #111 on: August 11, 2020, 07:11 »
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  but I do know a lot more then you do.     

Apparently not, or you would know it should be but I do know a lot more THAN (not then) you do. 😂

Wow Cathy, you too? that surprises me. I expect nothing less from the usual trolls in here but you joining them and having a go at me as well? I thought you were one of the good people here like Jo Ann.
We all do what we do best...

I'll make more room for the trolls and better educated people by removing myself.

Thanks Tyler for having this available to us contributors. Like I said before many of us would be in the dark if it wasn't for this forum. I don't know what I was thinking though joining the discussions because I knew it would turn out like this. This is exactly why many stick to reading instead of posting. Lesson learned  ::)

To all contributors, best of luck in everything you do, we're all in this together (most of us anyway) and stay safe!

LOL people can dish it out, but when a grammar error is pointed out, they leave. Hes over there ragging on farbled, but for some reason, he thinks I shouldnt be able to jump in. How many times have I been on the butt end of the bullies here? Too many to count. And look, he even got a +1 for his knockdown of me. You need a thick skin to be in this forum. I dont stay because of all the great friendships I hope to make, though there are some decent, intelligent, talented people here. I only stay because I still sell images. Otherwise, why stick around for all the abuse?

I particularly love the folks who love calling those of us who have been in microstock for 15+ years clueless old timers. LOL

Cobra

« Reply #112 on: August 11, 2020, 08:14 »
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"I particularly love the folks who love calling those of us who have been in microstock for 15+ years clueless old timers.

I am clueless but not too old yet  :)

« Reply #113 on: August 11, 2020, 08:18 »
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"I particularly love the folks who love calling those of us who have been in microstock for 15+ years clueless old timers.

I am clueless but not too old yet  :)

In violation of MSG bylaws......+100

farbled

« Reply #114 on: August 11, 2020, 10:08 »
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I have zero problem being called out when I am wrong, which is more often than I would wish, but I never resort to insults unless they are thrown first, or at least I try to.

I know I am like a brick in a calm pool usually, but I dislike when people castigate an entire group simply because they are frustrated with an agency. I am heartened to see others thinks the same.

Perhaps snow is achieving his goal of promoting solidarity after all, just not in the way he expected. :)

« Reply #115 on: August 11, 2020, 11:27 »
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"I particularly love the folks who love calling those of us who have been in microstock for 15+ years clueless old timers.

I am clueless but not too old yet  :)

Sort of like the cool kids of microstock trash talked about us 'trads' 15 years ago?

« Reply #116 on: August 11, 2020, 11:37 »
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"I particularly love the folks who love calling those of us who have been in microstock for 15+ years clueless old timers.

I am clueless but not too old yet  :)

Sort of like the cool kids of microstock trash talked about us 'trads' 15 years ago?

And yet here you are, a trad, on a microstock forum. Just like all the other trads. Cant be all bad, can it? I bet youve taken your fair share of money from low life microstock sites, right?  ;D


« Reply #117 on: August 11, 2020, 11:55 »
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« Reply #118 on: August 11, 2020, 11:57 »
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"I particularly love the folks who love calling those of us who have been in microstock for 15+ years clueless old timers.

I am clueless but not too old yet  :)

Sort of like the cool kids of microstock trash talked about us 'trads' 15 years ago?

And yet here you are, a trad, on a microstock forum. Just like all the other trads. Cant be all bad, can it? I bet youve taken your fair share of money from low life microstock sites, right?  ;D

Looks to me you so very much missed the point.

« Reply #119 on: August 11, 2020, 15:55 »
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"I particularly love the folks who love calling those of us who have been in microstock for 15+ years clueless old timers.

I am clueless but not too old yet  :)

Sort of like the cool kids of microstock trash talked about us 'trads' 15 years ago?

And yet here you are, a trad, on a microstock forum. Just like all the other trads. Cant be all bad, can it? I bet youve taken your fair share of money from low life microstock sites, right?  ;D

Looks to me you so very much missed the point.

Nope got it loud and clear.   ;)

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #120 on: August 15, 2020, 10:07 »
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A rational assumption, trim costs, who cares if the pre-check is faulty.

However I always liked the theories that some people come up with like, the reviewer doesn't like you personally. So out of only 200,000 contributors or maybe it's only 30,000? You name comes up and zap, everything rejected. Or because the reviewer has a friend who does the same kind of shots. (go figure that one?)

But my personal favorite is, quick money, reject a whole batch, that's review money.

Or while Daddy is watching football, the kids can play at being a reviewer for awhile?  ;D

Let me say, the system is flawed and even after eight years of making it better, it's still flawed, and inconsistent.

@Pete after all this time you are still clueless old timer so stick with your hobby and your niche while you still can but don't think for a minute you know how this business works. I might not know all the ins and outs but I do know a lot more then you do.
Like I said before it amazes me how little some of you microstock "vets" really know about this business. I already knew this a few months in but then I fought for my work so had a lot of discussions with support and other contributors.

Tell me, why wouldn't a reviewer do those things? Do you think admins are looking over their shoulder? Do you think with the small pay their reviewers get they will punish them? Do you still believe in the fairytale that everything in stock is fair play? Reviewers are cute little angels eagerly waiting for your outstanding work? Almost every serious contributor out there knows what I'm talking about, been there done that but you seem to be running around with blinders. Ask some 3D guys for starters but you can't be bothered right, it's a lot faster to just ridicule other people's posts. Well if that makes your day, sure why not Pete, have a go at it! ::)

@Farbled Why we resubmit? Why you think? Keep in mind there are people who take this business very seriously and often spend a day or more even on one image. Why go all the way? we had to, that's the difference between making 100 bucks or a 1000 bucks a month. But you are right in that many of us shouldn't even be in this business, we are expecting too much.
You contradict almost every point Pete made but still think he was right?
If you have been a reviewer you know I'm right. I was asked to review myself (not top or even middle tiers btw) and got a sneak peek into the workflow but that's all I'm going to say.

Take care and be safe lads, I'm off!

Oops, dropped a nuclear bomb and then left? OK well, I'll answer, because maybe you'll come back in another form with a new name?

"@Pete after all this time you are still clueless old timer so stick with your hobby and your niche while you still can but don't think for a minute you know how this business works. " You are at least 3/4ths right? I am a clueless, old timer, and I do shoot a niche, and yes it is a hobby.

Why not share the ins and outs instead of personal attacks and bragging about how much you know. That would help many people here? Positive and production, share your knowledge?

Your knowledge of reviewers comes from support and other contributors, that's terribly flawed. Unless you believe that reviewers actually know who you are, or me, or know any of us by name and care. They are reviewing, thousands of people, hours a day, that's the files that get past the computerized review or what people call AI. (more like artificially stupid at this point) So the accusation that a IS reviewer would reject images similar to his, and would reject images, similar to a friend, so they could get more sales, it true paranoia.

Million  of images, maybe a day, and someone here thinks, we are individuals and have identities that a reviewer cares about, because they might like us or not? Well that explains why my clueless hobby shots of the niche, are accepted...  ;) They like me better. Not that I upload clear, clean, colorful, sharp images.

Of course, if I'm rejected, it's because of AI, favoritism or someone (in India) who's against me, not because of the actual image or quality.

« Reply #121 on: August 15, 2020, 11:00 »
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    So the accusation that a IS reviewer would reject images similar to his, and would reject images, similar to a friend, so they could get more sales, it true paranoia.     

And whatever the process is now, the process used to be that a reviewer would make maybe 5 cents per image. If anyone wanted to make any kind of money, they had to fire through images fairly quickly. At one point, EONS ago (another clueless old timer here) I checked into being a reviewer for SS. Im pretty sure they were paying 5 cents an image. After I did the math, I didnt bother. It just wasnt worth the time, for me. If I didnt have rent and other bills to pay, sure.

« Reply #122 on: August 15, 2020, 11:16 »
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5 cents? :o :o :o

Do they have applications on the web or what? Never have seen them. How people become reviewers? ?


 

« Reply #123 on: August 15, 2020, 11:17 »
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This whole industry is a s.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #124 on: August 16, 2020, 09:13 »
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Or while Daddy is watching football, the kids can play at being a reviewer for awhile?  ;D

so, the pandemic should mean daddy has no sports so should be doing better reviews??  (and mommys watch sports too & SS probably has 2-3 female reviewers)

Either you took that too literally as true or I missed your point.  :) Daddy or Mommy can take a break on the weekend and let the kids play at being a reviewer on the home computer.  ;)

I used to think that the staff in NY was actually doing reviews, and then on weekends, they were off (like the people who watch the site or the forums, who are invisible on weekends) then they came back on Monday. That would mean the offshore contracts were still working most of the time. Just a thought, no evidence or anything, or maybe I just saw what I wanted to see?

Like I've said before, I switched to trying to only upload on Monday through Thursday, which means nothing, as I no longer have weekend reviews to compare. Considering that since June I'm pretty much uploading nothing, any days, the whole question is moot. I never did sets, so I couldn't do tests for days, with various similar images.

Just going to point out that AI would be the same, no matter what day we uploaded?  ;D


 

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