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« on: April 01, 2014, 13:56 »
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What's the point of handling it special if it is subscription price?


« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2014, 14:03 »
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« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 22:13 by tickstock »

« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2014, 14:43 »
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I've been wondering the same thing, but the FB thing would make sense.

Ron

« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2014, 15:20 »
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Yes, a SOD with the same royalty as your subs is a FOD as I call it. Facebook On Demand :)

« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2014, 15:56 »
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Because it's Facebook, and Facebook is Very Big and Important, this has been declared "A Good Deal".   Otherwise it would be just another huge giveaway from our perspective.

« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2014, 16:00 »
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Me: "where can I opt out of this FB sales?"
SS: "Unfortunately you can not opt out from this option."

Lovely...  ::) ???

« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2014, 16:02 »
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Me: "where can I opt out of this FB sales?"
SS: "Unfortunately you can not opt out from this option."

Lovely...  ::) ???

Hmmm well excuse me but then it isn't really an "option" is it?   :)

Ron

« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2014, 16:29 »
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You get 38 cent for a small thumbnail, or you will sell a full res for 38 cent. The image can only be used on Facebook, against a royalty free licence to use the image everywhere.

The licence is more restricted an the size sold is smaller. Why would you want to opt out?

« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2014, 16:44 »
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You get 38 cent for a small thumbnail, or you will sell a full res for 38 cent. The image can only be used on Facebook, against a royalty free licence to use the image everywhere.

The licence is more restricted an the size sold is smaller. Why would you want to opt out?

The fact that a particular deal isn't as bad as some other deals does not make it a "good" deal.

Ron

« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2014, 16:52 »
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How can it not be a good deal to me? I am selling more images, and the images sold have restricted use. Otherwise A) I wouldnt have those sales, B) I may have the sales but with a broader licence.

I know you and a few others will tell me I dont know what SS got out of the deal, but you dont either. So therefore, as it is, it looks like a good deal to me.


« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2014, 17:31 »
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How can it not be a good deal to me? I am selling more images, and the images sold have restricted use. Otherwise A) I wouldnt have those sales, B) I may have the sales but with a broader licence.

I know you and a few others will tell me I dont know what SS got out of the deal, but you dont either. So therefore, as it is, it looks like a good deal to me.

I think we're at a point of total mutual incomprehension.

From my perspective, SS is paying us the absolute rock-bottom minimum they thought they could get away with.  I agree we don't know what FB is really paying SS but one might have suspicions.  Basically they have now established 38 cents as appropriate compensation for a photographer when his image is used in an online ad.  Future online advertising deals will be modeled on this one.

If this adds up to a "good deal" for you, then so be it.  I cannot convince you otherwise. 
« Last Edit: April 01, 2014, 18:11 by stockastic »

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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2014, 18:29 »
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The people using the image have no idea you were paid 38.

« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2014, 01:40 »
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Naturally, I'd like to be paid more but the FB deal has generated $75 per month for me on average. This is a fresh and growing revenue stream from newly acquired market share. Good business.

« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2014, 01:47 »
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I believe my regular 25d sales don't let client use image on FB? That's why SS gives us SOD for low (facebook) price to use file with FB...?
I don't want to have nothing to do with FB. I removed my images from FB and I don't want SS or any other agency to sell my images to use in FB.

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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2014, 01:56 »
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Naturally, I'd like to be paid more but the FB deal has generated $75 per month for me on average. This is a fresh and growing revenue stream from newly acquired market share. Good business.
Do you mean that $0.38 SOD sales are ONLY Facebook sales? Or in other words: How do you calculate your FB generated sales per month?

Thanks in advance.

« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2014, 02:32 »
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Yes, Facebook deal. I tested it and the images were paid as SOD: http://www.michaeljayfoto.com/distribution-channels/shutterstock-and-the-facebook-deal/

I think it's a good deal: The actual user gets a tiny image that only can be used for the FB ad and they don't have to pay for it because FB covers the cost within the ad fees. We are actually giving away less rights for the image than if any client would buy it through his own subscription.


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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2014, 02:43 »
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Yes, Facebook deal. I tested it and the images were paid as SOD: http://www.michaeljayfoto.com/distribution-channels/shutterstock-and-the-facebook-deal/

I think it's a good deal: The actual user gets a tiny image that only can be used for the FB ad and they don't have to pay for it because FB covers the cost within the ad fees. We are actually giving away less rights for the image than if any client would buy it through his own subscription.


Thanks for that information. Much appreciated.


Ron

« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2014, 02:44 »
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I believe my regular 25d sales don't let client use image on FB? That's why SS gives us SOD for low (facebook) price to use file with FB...?
I don't want to have nothing to do with FB. I removed my images from FB and I don't want SS or any other agency to sell my images to use in FB.
Your images are used in tiny ads on the side of the page. They are not used freely on Facebook for everyone to like and share.

« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2014, 03:58 »
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Basically they have now established 38 cents as appropriate compensation for a photographer when his image is used in an online ad.

They have long before established that 25 - 38 cents is an appropriate compensation for nearly unlimited usage of high-res files.
Under their standard license you can use the image for almost anything you want, from huge billboards, magazine covers to online ads.

This new deal gives the customer less - smaller size and usage restricted to a specific facebook ad. If he wants to use the same image again for a different usage (print, a different online usage) he has to buy it again.

If you are opposing the subs model of Shutterstock in general, I can fully understand the criticism.
But for all people who agree to this model (by selling their files on Shutterstock) this deal can be seen as an improvement.

« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 06:09 »
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Naturally, I'd like to be paid more but the FB deal has generated $75 per month for me on average. This is a fresh and growing revenue stream from newly acquired market share. Good business.
Do you mean that $0.38 SOD sales are ONLY Facebook sales? Or in other words: How do you calculate your FB generated sales per month?

Thanks in advance.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but yes, I'm working on the basis the 0.38 SOD sales are all FB  sales. I arrived at the $75 just by deducting all other SOD sales over and above $0.38c when I worked through my monthly sheets. And April could be a bumper month - just under $15 in FB sales already.

On a side note, at least SS haven't been so cavalier with my property as others and given FB an embedding deal.

« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2014, 06:21 »
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What's the point of handling it special if it is subscription price?

I had one of that two weeks ago..... and 3 weeks ago i had two $27.9 SOD's not EL's  ;)

« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2014, 06:35 »
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From my perspective, SS is paying us the absolute rock-bottom minimum they thought they could get away with.  I agree we don't know what FB is really paying SS but one might have suspicions.  Basically they have now established 38 cents as appropriate compensation for a photographer when his image is used in an online ad.  Future online advertising deals will be modeled on this one.

Given the kind of deals I have seen in the past few years, I would have stated it opposite: Shutterstock has established the fact that even large companies are able and willing to pay at least some money for each of their clients to use images.

The past deals of a well established big agency that come to mind with companies like Google or Microsoft involved giving aways images for free or for a one-time fee of $12 for unlimited redistribution to millions of users. Or more recently: Giving away images for free to the public hoping to generate some advertising revenue from it in the future.

Yes, I prefer to get 38 cents for a tiny image used mostly by small or medium businesses each time it gets used within a well-defined and restricted context.

« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2014, 07:07 »
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Naturally, I'd like to be paid more but the FB deal has generated $75 per month for me on average. This is a fresh and growing revenue stream from newly acquired market share. Good business.

How do you know that $75 is all $.38 SOD ?  Is there a way to list your SODs for a day, or are you just checking the contributor app for $.38 licenses?

« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2014, 07:19 »
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That lists all sold images for today.

On the submit homepage, click on Earnings in the top right corner, on the next page on the date you want to see.
No nice list with sums, but at least all sales for any date.

« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2014, 07:42 »
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Ah, ok.  I see I had one $.33 SOD yesterday, so that must have been FB.  Thx!


 

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