Author Topic: sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each (Read 19801 times)

unnonimus · « **on:** June 26, 2020, 03:38 »

sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

Graphs80 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 26, 2020, 03:51 »

I had 2clip sales for 0.34$ each! And 9 sales of images to get around 1$. After that I deactivated my images and videos

gnirtS · « **Reply #2 on:** June 26, 2020, 04:55 »

Same here, many video sales, all as "clip packs" all for under $1

What . is this?!

Or has someone worked out yet another API bug to steal content?

Ronib · « **Reply #3 on:** June 26, 2020, 05:09 »

Same here.
5 clips each 0.84$

Snow · « **Reply #4 on:** June 26, 2020, 05:17 »

Jesus chr.ist you g.dd.mn fools!

WAKE THE F UP!!!!

https://www.microstockgroup.com/35773/35773/msg553926/#msg553926

I need a break from these forums!

Take care!

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #5 on:** June 26, 2020, 05:51 »

Quote from: unnonimus on June 26, 2020, 03:38

sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

You have the power to delete your portfolio so why not do that?

noodle · « **Reply #6 on:** June 26, 2020, 06:29 »

By the time some of these contributers take to figure things out, their videos will be all over the place - free to be used, abused, resold, etc by others

It’s like watching an accident happen and just standing there silently taking it all in

ShutterSheep

rcnyc · « **Reply #7 on:** June 26, 2020, 09:31 »

Quote from: unnonimus on June 26, 2020, 03:38

sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

You had the choice to bail as soon as the announcement came out. You chose to continue selling yourself short.

And?

tpack · « **Reply #8 on:** June 26, 2020, 09:31 »

Quote from: unnonimus on June 26, 2020, 03:38

sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

Congratulations on your journey...all the way to the bottom. That’s why many of us disabled our video portfolios and moved to Pond5 as exclusive contributors. I suggest that you do the same, #BoycottShutterstock #DontFeedTheGreed

Noedelhap · « **Reply #9 on:** June 26, 2020, 10:00 »

It's probably from the Projector integration by Shutterstock, a tool where people can create multimedia presentations, gifs, etc.

Either way, stop passive complaining and close your account or disable licensing for video, that's the only way to stop this lowballing nonsense.

Astrantia · « **Reply #10 on:** June 26, 2020, 14:33 »

If you keep selling on SS you ask for beeing ripped.
Stop crying and take action!

gnirtS · « **Reply #11 on:** June 26, 2020, 15:54 »

Quote from: tpack on June 26, 2020, 09:31

Quote from: unnonimus on June 26, 2020, 03:38
sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

Congratulations on your journey...all the way to the bottom. That’s why many of us disabled our video portfolios and moved to Pond5 as exclusive contributors. I suggest that you do the same, #BoycottShutterstock #DontFeedTheGreed

Great in theory but P5 sale volume (and earning on the old SS scheme) is roughly 5x less per month for most people. Even exclusive doesnt make up that shortfall.
P5 has been dropping a lot over the last year or so.

gnirtS · « **Reply #12 on:** June 26, 2020, 19:21 »

They've responded.. Sort of:-

https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/100567-043-cents-video-yes-you-are-reading-it-right/?do=findComment&comment=1856233

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Your video download count looks correct to me. As somebody else pointed out, "Past month" is May. Only "Year to date" includes the current (in progress) month.

As far as the volume of these video downloads over a day or two - I can see that they are from one of our API partners. Customers who purchased these licenses can only use the clips on that platform. They can't save or download them, or re-use them. However, I agree it's odd to see so many on one day.

We've reached out to them to make sure there hasn't been an error.

This has happened to a lot of people. It looks like SS is spectacularly unaware of things going on with their own platform and partners. Or theres been a huge security breach. The APIs are horrific.

alexandersr · « **Reply #13 on:** June 26, 2020, 20:35 »

Quote from: unnonimus on June 26, 2020, 03:38

sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

Not idea your videos are about. Are you happy because of your sell? What's the point? I don't understad!

wds · « **Reply #14 on:** June 26, 2020, 21:09 »

Quote from: gnirtS on June 26, 2020, 19:21

They've responded.. Sort of:-

https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/100567-043-cents-video-yes-you-are-reading-it-right/?do=findComment&comment=1856233

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Your video download count looks correct to me. As somebody else pointed out, "Past month" is May. Only "Year to date" includes the current (in progress) month.

As far as the volume of these video downloads over a day or two - I can see that they are from one of our API partners. Customers who purchased these licenses can only use the clips on that platform. They can't save or download them, or re-use them. However, I agree it's odd to see so many on one day.

We've reached out to them to make sure there hasn't been an error.

This has happened to a lot of people. It looks like SS is spectacularly unaware of things going on with their own platform and partners. Or theres been a huge security breach. The APIs are horrific.

Or it's just a low level person responding who really doesn't have a big picture view of what's actually going on.

komikmiha · « **Reply #15 on:** June 28, 2020, 02:58 »

I afford you. As long as you have clips on SS then just sell for that price. Good job!

Snow · « **Reply #16 on:** June 28, 2020, 04:29 »

Quote from: gnirtS on June 26, 2020, 15:54

Quote from: tpack on June 26, 2020, 09:31
Quote from: unnonimus on June 26, 2020, 03:38
sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

Congratulations on your journey...all the way to the bottom. That’s why many of us disabled our video portfolios and moved to Pond5 as exclusive contributors. I suggest that you do the same, #BoycottShutterstock #DontFeedTheGreed

Great in theory but P5 sale volume (and earning on the old SS scheme) is roughly 5x less per month for most people. Even exclusive doesnt make up that shortfall.
P5 has been dropping a lot over the last year or so.

And why you think that is? take a wild guess!
If you keep selling cheap elsewhere and make them famous how on earth can these other fair agencies thrive? We don't even give them a chance now do we? or do think spreading our work all over the pace is all we need to do here?
It's as if you are all brainwashed, it is surreal !!!

Best thing those who deactivated their portfolios can do is go back to SS, keep uploading like mad and drive the price down even more and hope other agencies start doing the same because they will, and then what?

So people that did well with $500 now get $200 to $300 which is still ok and if we drive the price down even more they will make $100. Then it's game over anyway, for everyone. No more jump ship while you can or some people can't afford losing SS income and all that crap, it will be GAME OVER FOR EVERYONE!!!

As a matter of fact that is exactly what I will do! It's everyone for themselves right so f.ck those who cannot afford to lose SS income, they don't care about us so why should we about them. I will go back to SS and support them as much as I can hoping they drive the price down even more!

Thanks for the boost gnirtS

Astrantia · « **Reply #17 on:** June 28, 2020, 04:59 »

I don´t understand those people who seem never to be reading anything on what platform soever- otherwise they would have read about the new price structure at SS and the boycott going on for a full month now.

And then they pop in like innocent children who can´t read or inform themselves about what is going on completely astonished about "what is going on" and crying.

I thought every grown up is somehow informed about crucial things going on in this world.
But it seems some peeps are living on the moon with no interest in whta´s going on around them.

gnirtS · « **Reply #18 on:** June 28, 2020, 06:41 »

Quote from: Snow on June 28, 2020, 04:29

And why you think that is? take a wild guess!
If you keep selling cheap elsewhere and make them famous how on earth can these other fair agencies thrive?

Your argument is blown up immediately by the fact that P5 has never sold more than about 20% in terms of earnings than SS (or others) long before SS slashed its prices. They were selling the same thing for the same price. They just have very limited market share.
Take a look at their forum, even people who went exclusive are saying how much its dropped.
This is nothing to do with "fair". They simply dont sell much.
Which is why pretty much all people who make useful money from microstock host on multiple sites. Different companies have different subscriptions to different sites. If you want to sell to as many as possible you need to be available to as many as possible.
Until the changes this month my RPD for a SS video was in line with P5 and AS. The sub dollar crap literally only started this last week.

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So people that did well with $500 now get $200 to $300 which is still ok and if we drive the price down even more they will make $100.

You're still ignoring the fact that at the moment with most people having no work or far less work why they're all so rich they can afford to stop say $800 a month for a guaranteed $0 a month just on principle.
If you have plenty of money floating around then great but the reality is most people cant afford, nor is it sensible to cut off a large chunk of monthly income at the moment.
You cant pay bills using "principles".
For some MS is a hobby, fine, they can afford to make a point. For others its a percentage of their income, might be low, might be high and with the current crisis its not sensible to deliberate cut off a chunk of income for a guaranteed $0.

I'm not convinced you actually live in the real world. Maybe you can afford to stop say $1000 a month with no issue to virtue signal. That's fine. But a lot of people simply cannot at the moment.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #19 on:** June 28, 2020, 07:04 »

Quote from: Astrantia on June 28, 2020, 04:59

I don´t understand those people who seem never to be reading anything on what platform soever- otherwise they would have read about the new price structure at SS and the boycott going on for a full month now.

And then they pop in like innocent children who can´t read or inform themselves about what is going on completely astonished about "what is going on" and crying.

I thought every grown up is somehow informed about crucial things going on in this world.
But it seems some peeps are living on the moon with no interest in whta´s going on around them.

In their defense, with all the newsletters, promotional emails, GDPR nonsense, regular spam and photoshoot tips I can imagine one not noticing more important announcements. Also, some people have busier and more active lives and don't have the time to read every email.

Snow · « **Reply #20 on:** June 28, 2020, 08:21 »

Quote from: gnirtS on June 28, 2020, 06:41

Quote from: Snow on June 28, 2020, 04:29

And why you think that is? take a wild guess!
If you keep selling cheap elsewhere and make them famous how on earth can these other fair agencies thrive?

Your argument is blown up immediately by the fact that P5 has never sold more than about 20% in terms of earnings than SS (or others) long before SS slashed its prices. They were selling the same thing for the same price. They just have very limited market share.
Take a look at their forum, even people who went exclusive are saying how much its dropped.
This is nothing to do with "fair". They simply dont sell much.
Which is why pretty much all people who make useful money from microstock host on multiple sites. Different companies have different subscriptions to different sites. If you want to sell to as many as possible you need to be available to as many as possible.
Until the changes this month my RPD for a SS video was in line with P5 and AS. The sub dollar crap literally only started this last week.

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So people that did well with $500 now get $200 to $300 which is still ok and if we drive the price down even more they will make $100.

You're still ignoring the fact that at the moment with most people having no work or far less work why they're all so rich they can afford to stop say $800 a month for a guaranteed $0 a month just on principle.
If you have plenty of money floating around then great but the reality is most people cant afford, nor is it sensible to cut off a large chunk of monthly income at the moment.
You cant pay bills using "principles".
For some MS is a hobby, fine, they can afford to make a point. For others its a percentage of their income, might be low, might be high and with the current crisis its not sensible to deliberate cut off a chunk of income for a guaranteed $0.

I'm not convinced you actually live in the real world. Maybe you can afford to stop say $1000 a month with no issue to virtue signal. That's fine. But a lot of people simply cannot at the moment.

I am actually in a much worse situation then you think and no I cannot afford to lose the money so stop pretending you know me and definitely don't tell me I don't live in the real world. I am certain I am much more aware of life then you do!
May I suggest to read my post a couple of times to ingest it fully? No? alright I'll try again,

"They simply don't sell much"

Again, hmmm why do you think that is? do I have to draw a picture here or what? Who's talking about the current situation on SS. We're talking about since day one everyone, myself included kept supporting SS because it's our best earner even though we knew things were going to look bad for us in the near future and even though we knew there were better agencies out there but we didn't support them the way we were supposed to.
Now finally with the help of SS we decided to take a stand and move out so we can start creating a sustainable income elsewhere even though many of us cannot afford losing the income.
There is no other way. You can't talk your way out of this. You keep supporting SS with these changes and it's game over soon, no more money to live from so you can go flip burgers anyway. Not now but in a few months time.
Again it doesn't matter what your financial situation is if you continue to support this move then it's game over anyway! get it? do you? really?

So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets so low we can't live from that income anymore and have to quit Microstock altogether then to move out now and do our utmost best to support and promote other agencies, now that we are still able to? That's your strategy? that's rational thinking? that's thinking like a businessman? that's thinking ahead? that's living in the real world?

Boy I do hope that's only your opinion and you are the minority because otherwise we might as well all quit now!

But like I've mentioned. I will probably change my strategy as well and do what you guys do. It's a lot easier then taking a stand anyway!
I'm seeing lots of contributors still on SS who can definitely afford taking a stand. They have other much more successful revenue streams so what does that tell us? What excuse do you make up for them?

This is my final post on this matter and in the name of those who are still supporting SS I apologize to those who are taking a stand, respect to all of you! Even more to those who are not anonymous and leaving themselves vulnerable. Jo Ann and others, nothing but respect!
And no I'm not talking about the recent SS change again gnirtS but these people have been fighting for fair treatment towards us contributors since day one. If you have been long enough in Microstock then you should know it's not the first time drastic changes have been made, just not to this proportion.

So folks the solution is... we should all go along with it!
Good strategy and will definitely make things better in the future!
Hooray for gnirtS and followers!

Take care!

komikmiha · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2020, 10:30 »

Snow I fully agree with you but some people just don't understand.

CommuniCat · « **Reply #22 on:** June 28, 2020, 13:21 »

Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

That said, if you simply cannot pull all of your files from SS, just stop uploading. Stop feeding the animal that is eating you. In about a year your revenue will have swapped over to other agencies and you will wonder what the fuss was all about.

This is exactly what happened with iStock. It was a huge blow - but in the end, if you just stop feeding them it all pans out just fine.

Also, join the Stock Coalition here: https://stockcoalition.org/
We are currently in negotiations with large agencies and are now up to over 5000 members on our Facebook page.
Unfortunately, Shutterstock has shown no interest in working with its contributor base.

jjneff · « **Reply #23 on:** June 28, 2020, 14:01 »

The above post is 1000% true!! please follow that advice!

grace · « **Reply #24 on:** June 29, 2020, 22:53 »

For me...i had 4 sales for footage in June, cart sales $15.80 ,$15.80 and clips packs $14.36 , $2.00...other than some low price for images, i had some on demand sales in the price $2.75 and $3.34...

Ozone · « **Reply #25 on:** June 30, 2020, 09:14 »

Anyone 0,34$ video sales? (clip pack, no location, sold today)

Noedelhap · « **Reply #26 on:** June 30, 2020, 10:09 »

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21

If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue.

If you go exclusive on Pond5, you shouldn't get your files back onto Adobe...or what do you mean? Am I misreading this?

Daryl Ray · « **Reply #27 on:** June 30, 2020, 10:38 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on June 30, 2020, 10:09

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21
If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue.

If you go exclusive on Pond5, you shouldn't get your files back onto Adobe...or what do you mean? Am I misreading this?

Pond5 has a Global Partner Program in which the exclusives are included. Adobe is one of those partners. Pond5 content sold through those partners gets paid out to contributors quarterly.

fotoroad · « **Reply #28 on:** June 30, 2020, 11:49 »

Quote from: unnonimus on June 26, 2020, 03:38

sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

I am not sure if I am doing good or you are doing bad.
I sold at same day only one video for $70
Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

Asthebelltolls · « **Reply #29 on:** June 30, 2020, 14:22 »

Quote from: fotoroad on June 30, 2020, 11:49

Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

No sweetheart. If you work with the SS you're an amateur. Pure and simple.

gnirtS · « **Reply #30 on:** July 01, 2020, 09:31 »

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21

Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not. P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years. non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply. Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue. Thats the brutal reality here.

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So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world. You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that? Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money? Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0. Nothing. No money. No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead. The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them. You're not. None of us are. You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

Snow · « **Reply #31 on:** July 01, 2020, 11:17 »

Quote from: gnirtS on July 01, 2020, 09:31

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not. P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years. non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply. Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue. Thats the brutal reality here.

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So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world. You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that? Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money? Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0. Nothing. No money. No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead. The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them. You're not. None of us are. You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

So what is your advice? what is your solution? I am all ears and interested in everyone's opinion. I'm trying to find good reason to continue with SS. I am not exclusive to Shutterstock btw so obviously this is not my only income but still I depend on it.
Not-ideal? income slashes in half for some so that's an understatement no? it's a complete disaster and many are probably already looking for another job because SS only pays half the bills.

I get what you mean by any income is better then nothing but where would you draw the line? when is enough? 1/5th of your current income? 1/10th? As long as you still get around it's fine? so 0,05c is also fine because it's still an income? Even if you can't live from it anymore it's still money? How far can they take this as far as you are concerned? Just wondering...

Does SS care about me? of course not! Do they care about you? I think not but I might be wrong. Do they care about a couple of hundred or thousand of us that are taking action, yes I do for sure. Will they change their ways? most likely not. Can we change the market? very much so but that is up to us. If everyone would think like you then we are doomed of course but that is not the case, far from it.

If I would reactivate my portfolio again it would only have one purpose. Take what is left and help drive this business down as fast as possible by selling cheap while hoping other agencies will follow too and speed things up even more.

It's weird talking to people like yourself in contrast to those whom I'm talking to in the other thread. You are a realist I suppose and we are all dreamers? I do think you're beginning to realize that this income is not sustainable anymore for almost all of us. But still it is income?
It's as if you prefer continue supplying and selling at SS while watching your income go down over trying to create a sustainable income elsewhere. Are you still uploading to SS btw?

Or will you just ride it out? I can understand that and I believe many will do so.
Now if you'll excuse me I'll get back to my dreamworld gnirtS

Be well

Daryl Ray · « **Reply #32 on:** July 01, 2020, 11:42 »

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21

You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.

That graph is much more relevant to images sales performance than video or audio. Not accurate data to draw any conclusions about non-image sales.

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21

60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible...The maths for me is very simply.

#1. Artists receive royalties, the company aka salespeople earn "commissions". #2. A 60% ROYALTY is 50% more than a 40% royalty (quite significant, actually) and that is a 400% higher royalty than what you're gonna be getting come January 1st on your Shutterstock, so yes, the maths is very simple. Gonna take a whole lot of those $0.36 sub sales or at least 4 sales with your paltry 15% royalties at Shutterstock to match a single normal sale at Pond5.

Then there's the pride and self-respect aspect, and not ruining it for everyone else, etc...

fotoroad · « **Reply #33 on:** July 01, 2020, 18:16 »

Quote from: Asthebelltolls on June 30, 2020, 14:22

Quote from: fotoroad on June 30, 2020, 11:49

Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

No sweetheart. If you work with the SS you're an amateur. Pure and simple.

Sorry, I do not think only amateur work with SS because I know many photographer from there in person. Your judgment is wrong.
Btw.I sold that video with other agency.
Because I have respect to my self.

Lizard · « **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2020, 19:10 »

Quote from: gnirtS on July 01, 2020, 09:31

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not. P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years. non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply. Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue. Thats the brutal reality here.

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So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world. You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that? Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money? Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0. Nothing. No money. No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead. The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them. You're not. None of us are. You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

You can not be more wrong.

First, if mankind destroy all rain forests, nature will not destroy mankind. Mankind is going to destroy mankind.

Same goes for SS. Contributors wont destroy SS. SS is gonna destroy itself. Some contributors leaving is just a scene by the road you see on the side window speeding on the road to destruction. You dont see happy contributors giving their best on that road for sure.

Tenebroso · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2020, 19:45 »

Amen @ Lizard

I don't think much emphasis is needed, SS does not exist.

This could be seen coming. It was serious, vector files with an exaggerated size, cut one million two hundred thousand images a week, with the excuse of a similar file and then, loading error and title in English.

SS is past history. Only, if they are increasing income from everywhere, to release it to the new owners at the beginning of the year, maybe SS has a chance.

Companies with happy people are more likely, on average, to achieve great results.

uvox4 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 29, 2020, 13:50 »

Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

Shelma1 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 29, 2020, 14:01 »

If you’d all disabled your portfolios on June 15 Shutterstock would have had to raise royalties again because they would have had no content. Enjoy your soon to be 10-cent video sales.

Tenebroso · « **Reply #38 on:** July 29, 2020, 14:38 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on July 29, 2020, 14:01

If you’d all disabled your portfolios on June 15 Shutterstock would have had to raise royalties again because they would have had no content. Enjoy your soon to be 10-cent video sales.

No

I don't think they will ever recognize a mistake. The Gods of the Galactic Universe will never back down, recognizing a mistake is giving the company to the taxpayers. Taxpayers are nothing to SS. Therefore, SS does not exist. And SS prefers not to exist than to recognize an error. Recognizing mistakes make men and companies great. SS is neither large as a company nor run by men. They are Heavenly Gods of the World Universe.
No matter what each contributor does, SS simply doesn't exist.

marthamarks · « **Reply #39 on:** July 29, 2020, 14:52 »

Quote from: uvox4 on July 29, 2020, 13:50

Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

Congratulations! (Not)

That 34c video royalty won't even buy a postage stamp here in the USA, and the 60c one just barely does. Sad.

everest · « **Reply #40 on:** July 29, 2020, 15:28 »

The only deluded one here is you. Or maybe confused. Or maybe you just don't have the experience or talent who knows. What is clear is that if you are making hundreds a month you are an amateur in this. Pros need to protect their income and asset value at all cost.

Things shift , it only takes time. When little Istock and Shutter appeared many were laughing about their contributors, me included. Why? because while people where initially making very little I and others were selling images for 4 figures very often and sometimes 5 figures too. But slowly the erosion got serious and many of us participated in that new market reluctantly I think that the high point of Shutter is over. Once they beat contributors that bad they will not become more contributor friendly next morning.

My sales at Adobe and P5 are getting stronger and stronger. Maybe you don't sell at those places because buyers are price conscious (in spite of stupid marketing talk of agencies) and buy your images/videos at Shutterstock. We will see in the next years but I would not hold my breath that Shutter will maintain leadership. Adobe will slowly and ruthlessly climb to the top. I hope that P5 follows too.

Quote from: gnirtS on July 01, 2020, 09:31

But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

marthamarks · « **Reply #41 on:** July 29, 2020, 15:34 »

Quote from: everest on July 29, 2020, 15:28

I would not hold my breath that Shutter will maintain leadership. Adobe will slowly and ruthlessly climb to the top. I hope that P5 follows too.

I, for one, fervently hope that you are right!

Noedelhap · « **Reply #42 on:** July 29, 2020, 16:19 »

Quote from: uvox4 on July 29, 2020, 13:50

Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

cascoly · « **Reply #43 on:** July 29, 2020, 16:57 »

Quote from: Snow on June 28, 2020, 04:29

....

So people that did well with $500 now get $200 to $300 which is still ok and if we drive the price down even more they will make $100. Then it's game over anyway, for everyone. No more jump ship while you can or some people can't afford losing SS income and all that crap, it will be GAME OVER FOR EVERYONE!!!

As a matter of fact that is exactly what I will do! It's everyone for themselves right so f.ck those who cannot afford to lose SS income, they don't care about us so why should we about them. I will go back to SS and support them as much as I can hoping they drive the price down even more!
..

do you have enough koolaid for everyone to join your suicide pact?

cathyslife · « **Reply #44 on:** July 29, 2020, 16:59 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on July 29, 2020, 16:19

Quote from: uvox4 on July 29, 2020, 13:50
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

Somethings better than nothing! That’s how they justify getting 10 cents royalties.

selensergen · « **Reply #45 on:** July 30, 2020, 01:57 »

Quote from: uvox4 on July 29, 2020, 13:50

Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

The result of your choice!

uvox4 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 30, 2020, 08:03 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on July 29, 2020, 16:19

Quote from: uvox4 on July 29, 2020, 13:50
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

I was just pointing it out. I know what SS are doing. I do not upload footage anymore and will remove my portfolio in January. Not sure its my fault. People on this site are very quick to blame others and be negative to others. One of the reasons I don't really follow this forum as much as I did years ago. No doubt I will get negative quotes back. Seems the way of the world now online.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 30, 2020, 08:42 »

Negative comments because if everyone had sacrificed a few weeks of income SS would have been forced to roll back their draconian royalty cuts and we'd ALL be back to higher royalties. Instead, the vast majority stayed, accepting a big loss this year and an even bigger loss come January, rather than a temporary, much smaller loss for a few weeks in June. We own the content. The agencies are nothing without us. But whatevs.

lucagavagna · « **Reply #48 on:** July 30, 2020, 08:58 »

I deleted all my clips From SS. I cannot consider a sale the payment of few cents for a clip. I’m not satisfied for that. I feel it’s very sad. It’s just that it will never pay the time of shooting, keywording and uploading. It’s not a job any more.

cathyslife · « **Reply #49 on:** July 30, 2020, 10:11 »

Quote from: uvox4 on July 30, 2020, 08:03

Quote from: Noedelhap on July 29, 2020, 16:19
Quote from: uvox4 on July 29, 2020, 13:50
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

I was just pointing it out. I know what SS are doing. I do not upload footage anymore and will remove my portfolio in January. Not sure its my fault. People on this site are very quick to blame others and be negative to others. One of the reasons I don't really follow this forum as much as I did years ago. No doubt I will get negative quotes back. Seems the way of the world now online.

You are getting screwed, you know you are getting screwed, you complain about getting screwed, and yet you stay to keep getting screwed. How can you expect positive comments from that?

Snow · « **Reply #50 on:** July 30, 2020, 13:02 »

Quote from: uvox4 on July 30, 2020, 08:03

Quote from: Noedelhap on July 29, 2020, 16:19
Quote from: uvox4 on July 29, 2020, 13:50
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

I was just pointing it out. I know what SS are doing. I do not upload footage anymore and will remove my portfolio in January. Not sure its my fault. People on this site are very quick to blame others and be negative to others. One of the reasons I don't really follow this forum as much as I did years ago. No doubt I will get negative quotes back. Seems the way of the world now online.

I deactivated my video portfolio before June since I was only level 1.
I also deactivated my images during June but decided to reactivate them again and take what is left, until January 2021 that is.
Does that mean I will continue posting about how bad my sales are? no way, that doesn't make any sense and makes me look stupid. Unless others are trying to make all this look positive, then I will prove them wrong but that's not the same as complaining.
As far as I'm concerned if you decide to leave your portfolio up or continue uploading you lose the right to complain about it.
I do not expect any sympathy for getting flooded with 10c sales at Shutterstock, that is my own fault and can easily be avoided.

Better then nothing?
Well eventually we will have to choose, continue supporting Shutterstock and similar agencies or make sure there is still a future for us in Microstock.

Are we being too negative? well if you find something positive about this business please let us know.

I read (need) this forum to get up to date on the situation in Microstock. Many are just here to provoke others. I rather have the naysayers as they like to call them then the provokers or smartasses, not to mention the SS fanclub members

Forgive us for being too blunt. It's not because we are hateful people, on the contrary it's just because these agencies tend to get the worst out of us. Many contributors put a a lot of effort, time and money into this business. We put our heart into this only to get screwed later on. They might as well spit in our face!

50% · « **Reply #51 on:** July 31, 2020, 06:12 »

Quote from: gnirtS on July 01, 2020, 09:31

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not. P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years. non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply. Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue. Thats the brutal reality here.

Quote
So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world. You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that? Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money? Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0. Nothing. No money. No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead. The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them. You're not. None of us are. You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

You are talking about photo or video? Video is a complete different story many video-artist do equal or better on P5 than SS. Photo sales are very poor on P5 absolut no comparision to SS in this regard.

photog-teo · « **Reply #52 on:** August 29, 2020, 13:29 »

2 video for $0.26 each .. no thanks

I can republish my footage on September 28, 2020 , i will delete them until then

cascoly · « **Reply #53 on:** August 31, 2020, 16:59 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on July 30, 2020, 08:42

Negative comments because if everyone had sacrificed a few weeks of income SS would have been forced to roll back their draconian royalty cuts and we'd ALL be back to higher royalties.

but that was NEVER going to happen - boycotts never get that sort of cooperation and a boycott with a publicly stated end date tells the boycotted they can ride it out. In addition, the vast majority of contributors likely never even knew there was a boycott.

that still doesnt excuse the negative comments and ad hominem attacks on those who think differently

Quote

Instead, the vast majority stayed, accepting a big loss this year and an even bigger loss come January, rather than a temporary, much smaller loss for a few weeks in June. We own the content. The agencies are nothing without us. But whatevs.

and again, you're mis-stating the case by presenting it as either /or rather than a large loss for everyone AND a slightly larger loss for boycotters

helloitsme · « **Reply #54 on:** September 01, 2020, 09:32 »

Quote from: unnonimus on June 26, 2020, 03:38

sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'

Congrats!!

Shelma1 · « **Reply #55 on:** September 15, 2020, 16:22 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 31, 2020, 16:59

Quote from: Shelma1 on July 30, 2020, 08:42
Negative comments because if everyone had sacrificed a few weeks of income SS would have been forced to roll back their draconian royalty cuts and we'd ALL be back to higher royalties.

but that was NEVER going to happen - boycotts never get that sort of cooperation and a boycott with a publicly stated end date tells the boycotted they can ride it out. In addition, the vast majority of contributors likely never even knew there was a boycott.

that still doesnt excuse the negative comments and ad hominem attacks on those who think differently

Quote
Instead, the vast majority stayed, accepting a big loss this year and an even bigger loss come January, rather than a temporary, much smaller loss for a few weeks in June. We own the content. The agencies are nothing without us. But whatevs.

and again, you're mis-stating the case by presenting it as either /or rather than a large loss for everyone AND a slightly larger loss for boycotters

Well, today's a sad day for me. I just read in the Stock Coalition Facebook group that your work is featured in the Coalition Collection on Pond5. You argue against boycotting and haven't had much nice to say about the Coalition, but you stepped right up to take advantage of the deal they got with Pond5.

So now someone who thinks boycotting Shutterstock is useless reaps the reward of the hard work done by others who sacrificed their income and worked their butts off to try to make a difference.

From now out I'm looking out for number one and nobody else. Because what's the point if my work benefits someone like you? I gave up thousands of dollars in income so YOUR work could be featured while you continue making money on Shutterstock? Ehf that.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #56 on:** September 15, 2020, 18:27 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on September 15, 2020, 16:22

Quote from: cascoly on August 31, 2020, 16:59
Quote from: Shelma1 on July 30, 2020, 08:42
Negative comments because if everyone had sacrificed a few weeks of income SS would have been forced to roll back their draconian royalty cuts and we'd ALL be back to higher royalties.

but that was NEVER going to happen - boycotts never get that sort of cooperation and a boycott with a publicly stated end date tells the boycotted they can ride it out. In addition, the vast majority of contributors likely never even knew there was a boycott.

that still doesnt excuse the negative comments and ad hominem attacks on those who think differently

Quote
Instead, the vast majority stayed, accepting a big loss this year and an even bigger loss come January, rather than a temporary, much smaller loss for a few weeks in June. We own the content. The agencies are nothing without us. But whatevs.

and again, you're mis-stating the case by presenting it as either /or rather than a large loss for everyone AND a slightly larger loss for boycotters

Well, today's a sad day for me. I just read in the Stock Coalition Facebook group that your work is featured in the Coalition Collection on Pond5. You argue against boycotting and haven't had much nice to say about the Coalition, but you stepped right up to take advantage of the deal they got with Pond5.

So now someone who thinks boycotting Shutterstock is useless reaps the reward of the hard work done by others who sacrificed their income and worked their butts off to try to make a difference.

From now out I'm looking out for number one and nobody else. Because what's the point if my work benefits someone like you? I gave up thousands of dollars in income so YOUR work could be featured while you continue making money on Shutterstock? Ehf that.

Wasn't it the case that your work would only get featured on Pond5 if they hadn't (re)activated their work on SS?

cathyslife · « **Reply #57 on:** September 15, 2020, 18:55 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on September 15, 2020, 16:22

Quote from: cascoly on August 31, 2020, 16:59
Quote from: Shelma1 on July 30, 2020, 08:42
Negative comments because if everyone had sacrificed a few weeks of income SS would have been forced to roll back their draconian royalty cuts and we'd ALL be back to higher royalties.

but that was NEVER going to happen - boycotts never get that sort of cooperation and a boycott with a publicly stated end date tells the boycotted they can ride it out. In addition, the vast majority of contributors likely never even knew there was a boycott.

that still doesnt excuse the negative comments and ad hominem attacks on those who think differently

Quote
Instead, the vast majority stayed, accepting a big loss this year and an even bigger loss come January, rather than a temporary, much smaller loss for a few weeks in June. We own the content. The agencies are nothing without us. But whatevs.

and again, you're mis-stating the case by presenting it as either /or rather than a large loss for everyone AND a slightly larger loss for boycotters

Well, today's a sad day for me. I just read in the Stock Coalition Facebook group that your work is featured in the Coalition Collection on Pond5. You argue against boycotting and haven't had much nice to say about the Coalition, but you stepped right up to take advantage of the deal they got with Pond5.

So now someone who thinks boycotting Shutterstock is useless reaps the reward of the hard work done by others who sacrificed their income and worked their butts off to try to make a difference.

From now out I'm looking out for number one and nobody else. Because what's the point if my work benefits someone like you? I gave up thousands of dollars in income so YOUR work could be featured while you continue making money on Shutterstock? Ehf that.

Yep. Don’t blame you.

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