Anyone 0,34$ video sales? (clip pack, no location, sold today) 

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21

If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue.

If you go exclusive on Pond5, you shouldn't get your files back onto Adobe...or what do you mean? Am I misreading this?

Pond5 has a Global Partner Program in which the exclusives are included. Adobe is one of those partners. Pond5 content sold through those partners gets paid out to contributors quarterly.

Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

No sweetheart. If you work with the SS you're an amateur. Pure and simple.

Quote from: CommuniCat on June 28, 2020, 13:21

Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not.  P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years.  non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply.  Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue.  Thats the brutal reality here.

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So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world.  You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that?  Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money?  Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0.  Nothing.  No money.  No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead.  The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them.  You're not.  None of us are.  You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

So what is your advice? what is your solution? I am all ears and interested in everyone's opinion. I'm trying to find good reason to continue with SS. I am not exclusive to Shutterstock btw so obviously this is not my only income but still I depend on it.
Not-ideal? income slashes in half for some so that's an understatement no? it's a complete disaster and many are probably already looking for another job because SS only pays half the bills.

I get what you mean by any income is better then nothing but where would you draw the line? when is enough? 1/5th of your current income? 1/10th? As long as you still get around it's fine? so 0,05c is also fine because it's still an income? Even if you can't live from it anymore it's still money? How far can they take this as far as you are concerned? Just wondering...

Does SS care about me? of course not! Do they care about you? I think not but I might be wrong. Do they care about a couple of hundred or thousand of us that are taking action, yes I do for sure. Will they change their ways? most likely not. Can we change the market? very much so but that is up to us. If everyone would think like you then we are doomed of course but that is not the case, far from it.

If I would reactivate my portfolio again it would only have one purpose. Take what is left and help drive this business down as fast as possible by selling cheap while hoping other agencies will follow too and speed things up even more.

It's weird talking to people like yourself in contrast to those whom I'm talking to in the other thread. You are a realist I suppose and we are all dreamers? I do think you're beginning to realize that this income is not sustainable anymore for almost all of us. But still it is income?
It's as if you prefer continue supplying and selling at SS while watching your income go down over trying to create a sustainable income elsewhere. Are you still uploading to SS btw?

Or will you just ride it out? I can understand that and I believe many will do so.
Now if you'll excuse me I'll get back to my dreamworld gnirtS

Be well

Quote from: fotoroad on June 30, 2020, 11:49

Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

No sweetheart. If you work with the SS you're an amateur. Pure and simple.

Sorry, I do not think only amateur work with SS because I know many photographer from there in person. Your judgment is wrong.
Btw.I sold that video with other agency.
Because I have respect to my self.
 

Amen @ Lizard

I don't think much emphasis is needed, SS does not exist.

This could be seen coming. It was serious, vector files with an exaggerated size, cut one million two hundred thousand images a week, with the excuse of a similar file and then, loading error and title in English.

SS is past history. Only, if they are increasing income from everywhere, to release it to the new owners at the beginning of the year, maybe SS has a chance.

Companies with happy people are more likely, on average, to achieve great results.

Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

 

Congratulations! (Not)

That 34c video royalty won't even buy a postage stamp here in the USA, and the 60c one just barely does. Sad.

I would not hold my breath that Shutter will maintain leadership. Adobe will slowly and ruthlessly climb to the top. I hope that P5 follows too.

I, for one, fervently hope that you are right!

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So people that did well with $500 now get $200 to $300 which is still ok and if we drive the price down even more they will make $100. Then it's game over anyway, for everyone. No more jump ship while you can or some people can't afford losing SS income and all that crap, it will be GAME OVER FOR EVERYONE!!!

As a matter of fact that is exactly what I will do! It's everyone for themselves right so f.ck those who cannot afford to lose SS income, they don't care about us so why should we about them. I will go back to SS and support them as much as I can hoping they drive the price down even more!
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do you have enough koolaid for everyone to join your suicide pact?

Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

 

The result of your choice!

Negative comments because if everyone had sacrificed a few weeks of income SS would have been forced to roll back their draconian royalty cuts and we'd ALL be back to higher royalties. Instead, the vast majority stayed, accepting a big loss this year and an even bigger loss come January, rather than a temporary, much smaller loss for a few weeks in June. We own the content. The agencies are nothing without us. But whatevs.

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Quote from: uvox4 on July 29, 2020, 13:50

Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

 

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

I was just pointing it out. I know what SS are doing.  I do not upload footage anymore and will remove my portfolio in January. Not sure its my fault. People on this site are very quick to blame others and be negative to others. One of the reasons I don't really follow this forum as much as I did years ago. No doubt I will get negative quotes back. Seems the way of the world now online.

You are getting screwed, you know you are getting screwed, you complain about getting screwed, and yet you stay to keep getting screwed. How can you expect positive comments from that?