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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2020, 09:14 »
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Anyone 0,34$ video sales? (clip pack, no location, sold today)  ;D


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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2020, 10:09 »
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If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue.

If you go exclusive on Pond5, you shouldn't get your files back onto Adobe...or what do you mean? Am I misreading this?

« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2020, 10:38 »
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If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue.

If you go exclusive on Pond5, you shouldn't get your files back onto Adobe...or what do you mean? Am I misreading this?

Pond5 has a Global Partner Program in which the exclusives are included. Adobe is one of those partners. Pond5 content sold through those partners gets paid out to contributors quarterly.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 10:46 by Daryl Ray »

« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2020, 11:49 »
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sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'
I am not sure if I am doing good or you are doing bad.
I sold at same day only one video for $70
Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2020, 14:22 »
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Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

No sweetheart. If you work with the SS you're an amateur. Pure and simple.

« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2020, 09:31 »
+5
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not.  P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years.  non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply.  Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue.  Thats the brutal reality here.

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So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world.  You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that?  Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money?  Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0.  Nothing.  No money.  No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead.  The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them.  You're not.  None of us are.  You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.


« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 09:36 by gnirtS »

« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2020, 11:17 »
+1
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not.  P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years.  non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply.  Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue.  Thats the brutal reality here.

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So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world.  You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that?  Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money?  Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0.  Nothing.  No money.  No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead.  The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them.  You're not.  None of us are.  You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

So what is your advice? what is your solution? I am all ears and interested in everyone's opinion. I'm trying to find good reason to continue with SS. I am not exclusive to Shutterstock btw so obviously this is not my only income but still I depend on it.
Not-ideal? income slashes in half for some so that's an understatement no? it's a complete disaster and many are probably already looking for another job because SS only pays half the bills.

I get what you mean by any income is better then nothing but where would you draw the line? when is enough? 1/5th of your current income? 1/10th? As long as you still get around it's fine? so 0,05c is also fine because it's still an income? Even if you can't live from it anymore it's still money? How far can they take this as far as you are concerned? Just wondering...

Does SS care about me? of course not! Do they care about you? I think not but I might be wrong. Do they care about a couple of hundred or thousand of us that are taking action, yes I do for sure. Will they change their ways? most likely not. Can we change the market? very much so but that is up to us. If everyone would think like you then we are doomed of course but that is not the case, far from it.

If I would reactivate my portfolio again it would only have one purpose. Take what is left and help drive this business down as fast as possible by selling cheap while hoping other agencies will follow too and speed things up even more.

It's weird talking to people like yourself in contrast to those whom I'm talking to in the other thread. You are a realist I suppose and we are all dreamers? I do think you're beginning to realize that this income is not sustainable anymore for almost all of us. But still it is income?
It's as if you prefer continue supplying and selling at SS while watching your income go down over trying to create a sustainable income elsewhere. Are you still uploading to SS btw?

Or will you just ride it out? I can understand that and I believe many will do so.
Now if you'll excuse me I'll get back to my dreamworld gnirtS ;)

Be well

« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2020, 11:42 »
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You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.

That graph is much more relevant to images sales performance than video or audio. Not accurate data to draw any conclusions about non-image sales.

60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible...The maths for me is very simply.

#1. Artists receive royalties, the company aka salespeople earn "commissions". #2. A 60% ROYALTY is 50% more than a 40% royalty (quite significant, actually) and that is a 400% higher royalty than what you're gonna be getting come January 1st on your Shutterstock, so yes, the maths is very simple. Gonna take a whole lot of those $0.36 sub sales or at least 4 sales with your paltry 15% royalties at Shutterstock to match a single normal sale at Pond5.

Then there's the pride and self-respect aspect, and not ruining it for everyone else, etc...
« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 11:45 by Daryl Ray »

« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2020, 18:16 »
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Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

No sweetheart. If you work with the SS you're an amateur. Pure and simple.
Sorry, I do not think only amateur work with SS because I know many photographer from there in person. Your judgment is wrong.
Btw.I sold that video with other agency.
Because I have respect to my self.
 

« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2020, 19:10 »
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Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not.  P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years.  non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply.  Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue.  Thats the brutal reality here.

Quote
So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world.  You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that?  Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money?  Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0.  Nothing.  No money.  No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead.  The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them.  You're not.  None of us are.  You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.


You can not be more wrong.

First, if mankind destroy all rain forests, nature will not destroy mankind. Mankind is going to destroy mankind.

Same goes for SS. Contributors wont destroy SS. SS is gonna destroy itself. Some contributors leaving is just a scene by the road you see on the side window speeding on the road to destruction.  You dont see happy contributors giving their best on that road for sure.



« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2020, 19:45 »
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Amen @ Lizard

I don't think much emphasis is needed, SS does not exist.

This could be seen coming. It was serious, vector files with an exaggerated size, cut one million two hundred thousand images a week, with the excuse of a similar file and then, loading error and title in English.

SS is past history. Only, if they are increasing income from everywhere, to release it to the new owners at the beginning of the year, maybe SS has a chance.

Companies with happy people are more likely, on average, to achieve great results.


 

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