SS forum down

[dragonblade]

Is it just me or are other people having trouble accessing the SS forums? I can access my dashboard just fine.

[dpimborough]

Oh please let it be permanent

Then the in crowd won't be able to go rushing round slapping eachother on the back and the newbies who squeal they have no sales won't have a platform

[Uncle Pete]

Is it just me or are other people having trouble accessing the SS forums? I can access my dashboard just fine.

So that's good news, right? 

[nobody]

Oh please let it be permanent

Then the in crowd won't be able to go rushing round slapping eachother on the back and the newbies who squeal they have no sales won't have a platform

LOL! Yeah, but they will come here complaining! 

[jonbull]

the most thing i will miss is the amazing doom and gloom where mediocre photographer shouts against for poor sales without noticing that they are not even mediocre but worst photographer...the guy who not sell anymore in ss but sell is mystery work to can stock earning ten times or in dreamstime or in another unknown agency  who has already paid all bills...the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing   ...the other who sell less than 400 dollar but teach every body photography...microstock s unbelievable..microcephalus stock i'd say.

[ShadySue]

the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing 

That person is still doiong better than the person who earns $2k but has expenses of $2001k, and tax to pay on the $2K.

[Zero Talent]

the most thing i will miss is the amazing doom and gloom where mediocre photographer shouts against for poor sales without noticing that they are not even mediocre but worst photographer...the guy who not sell anymore in ss but sell is mystery work to can stock earning ten times or in dreamstime or in another unknown agency  who has already paid all bills...the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing   ...the other who sell less than 400 dollar but teach every body photography...microstock s unbelievable..microcephalus stock i'd say.

You forgot to mention that the other half of the forum is only about old timers missing their golden years.
 

[Zero Talent]

the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing 

That person is still doiong better than the person who earns $2k but has expenses of $2001k, and tax to pay on the $2K.

That other person (not the pipi person) must not be very smart, since expenses can be deducted from taxes.

[ShadySue]

the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing 

That person is still doiong better than the person who earns $2k but has expenses of $2001k, and tax to pay on the $2K.

That other person (not the pipi person) must not be very smart, since expenses can be deducted from taxes.

To some extent. It never seems to be as much as the actual expenses, though. Also, it varies from country to country what counts as legitimate expenses.

[increasingdifficulty]

the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing 

That person is still doiong better than the person who earns $2k but has expenses of $2001k, and tax to pay on the $2K.

That other person (not the pipi person) must not be very smart, since expenses can be deducted from taxes.

To some extent. It never seems to be as much as the actual expenses, though. Also, it varies from country to country what counts as legitimate expenses.

What would be an example of an illegitimate expense then? That is still an expense.

I can't say I know the tax laws in every country but I'm pretty sure that in most civilized countries, the tax in this case would be $0. 

[Zero Talent]

the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing 

That person is still doiong better than the person who earns $2k but has expenses of $2001k, and tax to pay on the $2K.

That other person (not the pipi person) must not be very smart, since expenses can be deducted from taxes.

To some extent. It never seems to be as much as the actual expenses, though. Also, it varies from country to country what counts as legitimate expenses.

If it is not up to the actual "expenses", it is very likely because those "expenses" are not 100% related to the business. A classical example is a holiday travel to an exotic place. It cannot be claimed in full, because let's be honest, even if photos are made during that trip, that "expense" is more about vacation, than photography. IRS & Co know it too well.

Moreover, in some countries it might be even the opposite: some people might not even be bothered to add their MS income to the main revenue stream.

It is very likely that the non pipi-person is better off than the pipi-person. 

[ShadySue]

the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing 

That person is still doiong better than the person who earns $2k but has expenses of $2001k, and tax to pay on the $2K.

That other person (not the pipi person) must not be very smart, since expenses can be deducted from taxes.

To some extent. It never seems to be as much as the actual expenses, though. Also, it varies from country to country what counts as legitimate expenses.

What would be an example of an illegitimate expense then? That is still an expense.

I can't say I know the tax laws in every country but I'm pretty sure that in most civilized countries, the tax in this case would be $0. 

I've often read of differences in what's allowable in the US vs the UK. I employ an accountant, and it never seems like all the expenses I send are taken off the tax in full, and I don't even count big trips when I'm shooting virtually non-stop other than sleeping and eating.

In any case, I bet the $2k earner is spending much more time preparing, shooting and in post, and time is money.

The only point I was making is that earnings don't tell the full story.

[Zero Talent]

the other who shoots only when going out to make dog pipi and complain   that he not earn nothing 

That person is still doiong better than the person who earns $2k but has expenses of $2001k, and tax to pay on the $2K.

That other person (not the pipi person) must not be very smart, since expenses can be deducted from taxes.

To some extent. It never seems to be as much as the actual expenses, though. Also, it varies from country to country what counts as legitimate expenses.

What would be an example of an illegitimate expense then? That is still an expense.

I can't say I know the tax laws in every country but I'm pretty sure that in most civilized countries, the tax in this case would be $0. 

I've often read of differences in what's allowable in the US vs the UK. I employ an accountant, and it never seems like all the expenses I send are taken off the tax in full, and I don't even count big trips when I'm shooting virtually non-stop other than sleeping and eating.

In any case, I bet the $2k earner is spending much more time preparing, shooting and in post, and time is money.

The only point I was making is that earnings don't tell the full story.

CAPEX (e.g. camera, lenses, computer etc) is amortized over 3 or 5 years. You can't expect to see all expenses deducted, in full, the next year.

Otherwise, I got your point, I'm just trying to make sure that statements made are as accurate as possible.

[Uncle Pete]

Back on topic, and yes I have an accountant and yes I depreciate equipment and yes I deduct dedicated trips, but not all travel and not all expenses. The IRS will flag you and do an audit if the expenses are out of line or marginal legitimacy, or too close to the total income. (see original debate, where expenses match earnings) 

Show me you latest new best seller to get a fast download. Which translates to, please tell me what to copy or imitate. I don't mind questions, but really, trolling for my best earning images is not going to get a reply. Same as why I'm happy that Most Popular or whatever they call it now, is not best selling or best earning. I'm happy knowing myself and not being observed and copied.

I don't want to offend a couple of people here, somewhat anonymous who shoot pipi (mean PeePee?) and never stop complaining of crap sales on SS. Oh I guess I just did? 

Sue is right, ID and Zero are also right. Nothing is all or nothing or absolute. However, gross income is not net income, and some people forget to deduct their cost of production when they figure "Earnings".

In my case a nice dose of denial helps, I would have this equipment and be shooting anyway. But truthfully, not as much and I wouldn't be spending as much time slicing tomatoes, to photograph on distressed old natural wood.