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traveler1116

« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2012, 14:46 »
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But don't forget that IS's stated goal is 20% and at least so far SS hasn't said that.

SS's goal is 25%.  ;D
I don't know, by my calculations it's about 8%.  5 image pack for $49 = $9.8 per image.  They pay 81 cents at the lowest for small multi on demand sales which is about 8% right?  BTW what is the justification for paying different amounts for medium and large files when it looks like it costs the buyer the same amount to buy either?


« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2012, 14:53 »
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But don't forget that IS's stated goal is 20% and at least so far SS hasn't said that.

SS's goal is 25%.  ;D
I don't know, by my calculations it's about 8%.  5 image pack for $49 = $9.8 per image.  They pay 81 cents at the lowest for small multi on demand sales which is about 8% right?  BTW what is the justification for paying different amounts for medium and large files when it looks like it costs the buyer the same amount to buy either?

It was a joke. Both sites pay pretty low.

« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2012, 14:55 »
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So much for low overhead

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« Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 14:59 by gbalex »

« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2012, 15:15 »
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sub from 71.4% to 132.4%
od from 18.4% to 31.6%
el from 27.8% to 40.5%

is iStock paying more?  ::)
For me it is, PP sub sales are about 11% higher than at SS per sale (I didn't check sub plan pricing but I think they are about the same so IS would be paying a higher %).  On Demand sales are probably on average about 25%, while single image OD are 20% which is the same or lower than a base level exclusive.  And ELs (I doubt too many people buy the 25 EL packs) are probably closer to 30% on average which is the same or less than the majority of exclusives.  The point was that SS is not giving really high commissions.  In fact if your issue with IS is that they give too low commissions it would make more sense to be exclusive since SS gives lower commissions than they do.

But back on topic, my guess is SS will raise prices and keep commissions the same.

I understand your point BUT we cannot see exclusives %, we need to see what IS offer to indies (regular and pp) or it would be quite unfair

that said I believe that IS does have a nice RPD even for indies but with number of sales decreasing along time SS is becoming way more relevant to the majority of indies, we need to add to this equation that subs arent no longer the core of the SS sales, ODs are increasing and also new single sales which are quite big increasing the RPD

I hope that SS keep on doing the same stuff as before which is keeping buyers/contributors happy

« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2012, 15:24 »
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But don't forget that IS's stated goal is 20% and at least so far SS hasn't said that.

SS's goal is 25%.  ;D
I don't know, by my calculations it's about 8%.  5 image pack for $49 = $9.8 per image.  They pay 81 cents at the lowest for small multi on demand sales which is about 8% right?  BTW what is the justification for paying different amounts for medium and large files when it looks like it costs the buyer the same amount to buy either?

no, thats not correct

just spent a few minutes doing the contributor royalties % at SS (% between () from the lowest to the highest canister)

Subscription
a) 263$ for 750 downloads - 0.35$ each (71.4%, 94.2%, 102.8%, 108.5%)
b) 708$ for 2250 downloads -  0.314$ each (79.6%, 105%, 114.6%, 121%)
c) 1367$ for 4500 downloads - 0.303$ each (82.5%, 108.9%, 118.8%, 125.4%)
d) 2584$ for 9000 downloads - 0.287$ each (87.1%, 114.9%, 125.4%, 132.4%)

On Demand
- All sizes
a) 51$ for 5 downloads - 10.2$ each (18.4%, 24.3%, 26.4%, 27.9%)
b) 235$ for 25 downloads - 9.4$ each (20%, 26.3%, 28.7%, 30.3%)
- S and M sizes
a) 51$ for 12 downloads - 4.25$ each (18.9%, 25.1%, 27.5%, 29.1%)
b) 235$ for 60 downloads -  3.92$ each (20.6%, 27.3%, 29.8%, 31.6%)

EL
a) 201$ for 2 downloads - 100.5$ each (27.8%)
b) 455$ for 5 downloads - 91$ each (30.7%)
c) 1722$ for 25 downloads - 69$ each (40.5%)

P.S: a few minutes after posting this at SS forum it got removed

« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2012, 15:31 »
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Eh, you guys and your "numbers".  All those careful calculations, based on knowledge and history of the business, don't mean a thing.  What you don't get is: you know vastly more about this business than do the guys who will be running it 6 months after the IPO. Within a year, they'll be announcing big changes that you will look at and think "huh?".   And it will get progressively crazier after that.  I'd say it takes something like 2 years - and a couple of major meltdowns - and a bunch of golden parachutes -  to get back to something like reality after an IPO.  And many businesses don't survive that transition.

Some of you who have seen startups/IPOs from the inside - as employees - might agree.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 15:49 by stockastic »

« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2012, 15:32 »
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http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/net-us-shutterstock-brief-idINBRE84D0N320120514?feedType=RSS&feedName=internetNews

Reuters) - Online stock photography provider Shutterstock plans an initial public offering of common stock to raise up to $115 million.

Sources told Reuters earlier this month that Shutterstock, which competes with stock photo leader Getty Images, is close to filing for an IPO.

It owns a library of photographs and illustrations that customers can license and download through subscription deals.

Shutterstock is backed by entities affiliated with Insight Venture Partners and Pixel Holdings Inc. Shutterstock Chief Executive Jonathan Oringer is the sole shareholder of Pixel Holdings Inc, according to a regulatory filing with U.S. regulators on Monday.

Oringer who hails from Westchester, New York founded the company in 2003, uploading 30,000 stock photos to the site. The site currently has more than 19 million images.

It competes with other online marketplaces for imagery like iStockphoto, Fotolia and Dreamstime and traditional stock content providers such as Corbis Corp.

Getty Images was taken private by Hellman & Friedman for $2.4 billion in 2008.

For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year.

The New York-based company told the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission in a preliminary prospectus that Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank Securities and Jefferies were underwriting the IPO.

The filing did not reveal how many shares the company planned to sell or their expected price.

The company intends to list its common stock on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol "SSTK".

The amount of money a company says it plans to raise in its first IPO filings is used to calculate registration fees. The final size of the IPO could be different.

(Reporting by Tanya Agrawal and Vidya P L Nathan in Bangalore; Editing by Joyjeet Das)

traveler1116

« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2012, 15:33 »
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http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtml
5 image pack is $49
http://submit.shutterstock.com/earnings_schedule.mhtml
second box down is: Images:
                              Multi-Image On Demand        $0.81 up to $1.24(once you make $10,000)
                              (Small/Med)
.81 is about 8% of $9.80 which is the price of 1 image in a 5 image pack while $1.24 is less than 13%.

« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2012, 15:37 »
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http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtml
5 image pack is $49
http://submit.shutterstock.com/earnings_schedule.mhtml
second box down is: Images:
                              Multi-Image On Demand        $0.81 up to $1.24(once you make $10,000)
                              (Small/Med)
.81 is about 8% of $9.80 which is the price of 1 image in a 5 image pack while $1.24 is less than 13%.


NOP! :D

12 and 60 downloads, 5 and 25 downloads are the ALL SIZES

traveler1116

« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2012, 15:39 »
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http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtml
5 image pack is $49
http://submit.shutterstock.com/earnings_schedule.mhtml
second box down is: Images:
                              Multi-Image On Demand        $0.81 up to $1.24(once you make $10,000)
                              (Small/Med)
.81 is about 8% of $9.80 which is the price of 1 image in a 5 image pack while $1.24 is less than 13%.


NOP! :D

12 and 60 downloads, 5 and 25 downloads are the ALL SIZES

I don't see that offered.

« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2012, 15:41 »
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/idUS173640104520120514

"Shutterstocks total revenue has grown from $61.1 million in 2009 to $83.0 million in 2010 and $120.3 million in 2011 representing a compound annual growth rate of 40.3 percent since 2009, according to the S-1 filing.

The company will use money from the IPO for operational purposes, as well as possibly acquiring other companies that are strategic to its current business."

« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2012, 15:45 »
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http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtml
5 image pack is $49
http://submit.shutterstock.com/earnings_schedule.mhtml
second box down is: Images:
                              Multi-Image On Demand        $0.81 up to $1.24(once you make $10,000)
                              (Small/Med)
.81 is about 8% of $9.80 which is the price of 1 image in a 5 image pack while $1.24 is less than 13%.


NOP! :D

12 and 60 downloads, 5 and 25 downloads are the ALL SIZES

I don't see that offered.


12 for expensive pack and 60 for cheaper, thats S and M sizes, check my maths above

« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2012, 15:47 »
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/idUS173640104520120514

"Shutterstocks total revenue has grown from $61.1 million in 2009 to $83.0 million in 2010 and $120.3 million in 2011 representing a compound annual growth rate of 40.3 percent since 2009, according to the S-1 filing.

The company will use money from the IPO for operational purposes, as well as possibly acquiring other companies that are strategic to its current business."


thanks for sharing  ;D  we do deserve a raise lol
« Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 15:49 by luissantos84 »

traveler1116

« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2012, 15:49 »
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http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtml
5 image pack is $49
http://submit.shutterstock.com/earnings_schedule.mhtml
second box down is: Images:
                              Multi-Image On Demand        $0.81 up to $1.24(once you make $10,000)
                              (Small/Med)
.81 is about 8% of $9.80 which is the price of 1 image in a 5 image pack while $1.24 is less than 13%.


NOP! :D

12 and 60 downloads, 5 and 25 downloads are the ALL SIZES

I don't see that offered.


12 for expensive pack and 60 for cheaper, thats S and M sizes, check my maths above

I understand what you are saying but it doesn't look like they offer the s/m package, just the any size package so you would get the any size amount even if the image downloaded is small or medium.  A little confusing huh?  But I guess the percentages would be around 19-29% for that then.

« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2012, 15:54 »
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I'm interested in buying a little.  Maybe everyone should buy a little.  It would be nice for contributors to have voice with ownership.  Imagine the annual shareholders meeting if some of the more opinionated Microstockgroup denizens showed up.    

« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2012, 15:56 »
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But don't forget that IS's stated goal is 20% and at least so far SS hasn't said that.
Link please?

Hrmm. I can't exactly link to that. I seem to remember when the RC mess started it was stated that Getty's goal was 20% across the board and IS was moving towards being in line with the rest of the Getty family. If someone else does have that actually spelled out somewhere I too would like to see the link.

Sorry if I am contributing to misinformation.

« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2012, 16:00 »
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/idUS173640104520120514

"Shutterstocks total revenue has grown from $61.1 million in 2009 to $83.0 million in 2010 and $120.3 million in 2011 representing a compound annual growth rate of 40.3 percent since 2009, according to the S-1 filing.

The company will use money from the IPO for operational purposes, as well as possibly acquiring other companies that are strategic to its current business."


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« Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 16:08 by luissantos84 »


« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2012, 16:24 »
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/idUS173640104520120514

"Shutterstocks total revenue has grown from $61.1 million in 2009 to $83.0 million in 2010 and $120.3 million in 2011 representing a compound annual growth rate of 40.3 percent since 2009, according to the S-1 filing.

The company will use money from the IPO for operational purposes, as well as possibly acquiring other companies that are strategic to its current business."


thanks for sharing  ;D  we do deserve a raise lol


"For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year."

« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2012, 16:26 »
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/idUS173640104520120514

"Shutterstocks total revenue has grown from $61.1 million in 2009 to $83.0 million in 2010 and $120.3 million in 2011 representing a compound annual growth rate of 40.3 percent since 2009, according to the S-1 filing.

The company will use money from the IPO for operational purposes, as well as possibly acquiring other companies that are strategic to its current business."


thanks for sharing  ;D  we do deserve a raise lol


"For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year."


ok double raise

« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2012, 16:36 »
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http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/14/shutterstock-files-for-ipo-plans-to-raise-up-to-115-million/

"According to its S-1 filing, Shutterstock currently offers one of the largest content libraries in the commercial digital imagery industry with over 19 million photographs and illustrations and about 500,000 videos from more than 35,000 contributors. In 2011, the company delivered more than 58 million paid downloads. The average cost per image on the site in 2011 was around $3. Shutterstock says that it had more than 550,000 paying customers in 2011.

helix7

« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2012, 16:54 »
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.81 is about 8% of $9.80 which is the price of 1 image in a 5 image pack while $1.24 is less than 13%.

I've never seen commissions that low. I'm almost always getting $2.85 for ODs. Maybe 1 in 100 is something less.

« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2012, 16:56 »
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They have only announced an intention. So contrary to the title of this thread it is not done.

traveler1116

« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2012, 17:02 »
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.81 is about 8% of $9.80 which is the price of 1 image in a 5 image pack while $1.24 is less than 13%.

I've never seen commissions that low. I'm almost always getting $2.85 for ODs. Maybe 1 in 100 is something less.
I was wrong about the % because the .81 cents is only for the lowest level (under $500) small/medium multi image packs which don't appear to be offered on the site, hence the confusion.  Maybe they are offered in Europe or in a different part of the site that I couldn't find.

With knowing that SS gets about $3 per image sale though it should be easy to find out what percentage they pay out.

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« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2012, 17:07 »
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http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/net-us-shutterstock-brief-idINBRE84D0N320120514?feedType=RSS&feedName=internetNews

For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year.



That's a pretty healthy profit but I still would love to know what they spent the $100M on. They have no inventory, don't have a ton of employees, no massive support call center, or anything else like that.

« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2012, 17:10 »
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I don't like this a bit.

Soon SS is taken over by a group of suits, people who sees stock only as a commodity. Then they are going to maximize their profits. This has "iStock disaster" written all over it.

:(

Inevitable. 

How I see it...

Jon wants to grow his business.  The 800-lb gorilla (iStock) has stumbled and there's big potential to swoop in and gobble up market share.  And/or he could have big plans to grow SS in some other significant way, such as a new product or service.  In either event, Jon needs money to invest in the business, either for major marketing initiatives to grow his market share, or to build out some new element that will create a new revenue stream.  These are the reasons companies do IPOs.

He surely has met with the investment community and described SS as a young business with nothing but growth in front of it.  No investor is going to put money into a business already at the top of its game with no growth strategy.  If Jon simply planned to cut contributor commissions and hope to deliver more profits through cost-cutting, the investment community would laugh him out of the room.  Investors put their money in when they think a company can gain share and/or get big revenue in a market that is growing.  

Increasing the bottom line through cost-cutting is what a desperate company does toward the end of its game.  It's certainly not the strategy for a company that is about to do an IPO.

Of course, if SS gets a lot of capital through its IPO, and down the line it does not deliver on its promises of growth, then the investors will be out for blood, and Jon may have to resort to whatever he can do to make the profit picture look good, i.e. cutting commissions.  But I think that's way down the road, and only if SS fails.  Based on what we all know about Jon and SS, we have little reason to expect this.


 

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