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« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2012, 17:14 »
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That's a pretty healthy profit but I still would love to know what they spent the $100M on. They have no inventory, don't have a ton of employees, no massive support call center, or anything else like that.

Maybe $40M on commissions, 150+ employees (about 18 months ago when they were "recruiting like mad"), marketing, internet, NY office rental, etc, etc. Maybe massive bonus for JO? I'm surprised that they're not more profitable though.


« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2012, 17:16 »
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http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/net-us-shutterstock-brief-idINBRE84D0N320120514?feedType=RSS&feedName=internetNews

For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year.



That's a pretty healthy profit but I still would love to know what they spent the $100M on. They have no inventory, don't have a ton of employees, no massive support call center, or anything else like that.


http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549346/000104746912005905/a2209364zs-1.htm

« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2012, 17:22 »
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Increasing the bottom line through cost-cutting is what a desperate company does toward the end of its game.  It's certainly not the strategy for a company that is about to do an IPO.

But what happens AFTER the IPO?

« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2012, 17:56 »
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Some numbers in here don't match:

"For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year.
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"In 2011, the company delivered more than 58 million paid downloads. The average cost per image on the site in 2011 was around $3."


All quoted from some of the quotes in this thread. Either the revenue number is wrong (I doubt it...) or the cost per image is not $3 but closer to $2.
For those who want to take their own RPD to calculate their overall percentage....

jbarber873

« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2012, 22:14 »
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http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/net-us-shutterstock-brief-idINBRE84D0N320120514?feedType=RSS&feedName=internetNews

For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year.



That's a pretty healthy profit but I still would love to know what they spent the $100M on. They have no inventory, don't have a ton of employees, no massive support call center, or anything else like that.


  I think one of the largest costs for these websites is the cost of online advertising. Driving customers to a website is expensive, but the pricing on keywords like "stock photo" is huge. The last time I looked it was in the $2.25 per click range. that's just to bring in a viewer, not a sale. Look at the placement of shutterstock in the google paid ad search and you will see that they are at the top. You have to buy that kind of exposure.

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« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2012, 22:31 »
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I'm interested in buying a little.  Maybe everyone should buy a little.  It would be nice for contributors to have voice with ownership.  Imagine the annual shareholders meeting if some of the more opinionated Microstockgroup denizens showed up.    

Well as a SS exclusive I've already been getting information on the IPO and purchasing stock. This is a smiley --->  :o Humor Alert!

« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2012, 23:59 »
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Now we know for sure the agencies read MSG!   ;D

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        Unless otherwise indicated, information contained in this prospectus concerning our industry and the markets in which we operate, including our general expectations and market position, market opportunity and market size, is based on information from various sources, on assumptions that we have made that are based on those data and other similar sources and on our knowledge of the markets for our products. These sources include BCC Research, Zenith Optimedia, BIA Kelsey, Microstock Group Forum, Cisco, IBISWorld, Netcraft and MagnaGlobal. These data involve a number of assumptions and limitations, and you are cautioned not to give undue weight to such estimates. We have not independently verified any third-party information and cannot assure you of its accuracy or completeness. While we believe the market position, market opportunity and market size information included in this prospectus to be generally reliable, such information is inherently imprecise and we cannot give you any assurance that any of the projected results will be achieved. In addition, projections, assumptions and estimates of our future performance and the future performance of the industry in which we operate is necessarily subject to a high degree of uncertainty and risk due to a variety of factors, including those described in "Risk Factors" and elsewhere in this prospectus. These and other factors could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in the estimates made by the independent parties and by us.

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« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2012, 00:27 »
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sub from 71.4% to 132.4%
od from 18.4% to 31.6%
el from 27.8% to 40.5%

is iStock paying more?  ::)

NO.
and what about the ridicolous 15% they pay to non exclusives ?

« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2012, 01:08 »
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Some numbers in here don't match:

"For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year.
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"In 2011, the company delivered more than 58 million paid downloads. The average cost per image on the site in 2011 was around $3."


All quoted from some of the quotes in this thread. Either the revenue number is wrong (I doubt it...) or the cost per image is not $3 but closer to $2.
For those who want to take their own RPD to calculate their overall percentage....


It looks like the quoted article rounded up, there is more information located in SS's SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION FORM S-1 REGISTRATION STATEMENT

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549346/000104746912005905/a2209364zs-1.htm#da47301_business

Section 72

"We are the beneficiaries of significant network effects. As we have grown, our broadening audience of paying users has attracted more images from contributors. This increased selection of images has in turn helped to attract more paying users. The success of this network effect is facilitated by the trust that users place in Shutterstock to maintain the integrity of our branded marketplace. Every contributor in our marketplace and every image we make available must pass our proprietary screening process and meet our standards of quality. In addition, and unlike the significant majority of free images available online, our rigorous vetting process enables us to provide confidence and indemnification to our users that the images in our library have been appropriately licensed for commercial or editorial use.

We make image licensing affordable, simple and easy in order to encourage a high volume of purchases and downloads. Our customers' average cost per image in 2011 was less than $3.00. We are a pioneer of the subscription-based usage model in our industry, whereby subscribers can download and use a large number of images in their creative process without concern for the incremental cost of each download. The majority of our downloads come from subscription-based users, who contributed 59% of our revenue in 2011. We also offer simple and easy-to-use On Demand purchase options for users with less consistent needs. As a result of our simple and affordable licensing models, we believe that we have achieved the highest volume of commercial image downloads of any single brand in our industry. In addition to driving revenue, this high volume of download activity allows us to continually improve the quality and accuracy of our search algorithms, as well as to encourage the creation of new content to meet our users' needs.

Our revenue is diversified and predictable. More than 550,000 customers from more than 150 countries contributed to our revenue in 2011, with no single customer accounting for more than 1% of our revenue. We have historically benefitted from a high degree of revenue retention from both subscription-based and On Demand customers. For example, in 2009, 2010 and 2011, we retained 82%, 96%, and 102%, respectively, of the prior year's revenue from the same set of customers. Customers typically pay us upfront and then use their downloads in a predictable pattern over time, which results in favorable cash flow characteristics and has historically added predictability and stability to our financial performance.

We have achieved significant growth in the eight years since our company was founded. In 2010 and 2011, we generated revenue of $83.0 million and $120.3 million, respectively, representing year-over-year growth of 35.8% and 45.0%, respectively. In 2010 and 2011, we generated Adjusted EBITDA of $21.8 million and $26.5 million, respectively, and Free Cash Flow of $27.6 million and $36.1 million, respectively. See "Summary Consolidated Historical and Unaudited Pro Forma Financial DataNon-GAAP Financial Measures." In 2010 and 2011, our net income was $18.9 million and $21.9 million, respectively. In 2011, 34% of our revenue came from North America, and 66% came from the rest of the world. "

rubyroo

« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2012, 03:46 »
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How I see it...

Jon wants to grow his business.  The 800-lb gorilla (iStock) has stumbled and there's big potential to swoop in and gobble up market share.  And/or he could have big plans to grow SS in some other significant way, such as a new product or service.  In either event, Jon needs money to invest in the business, either for major marketing initiatives to grow his market share, or to build out some new element that will create a new revenue stream.  These are the reasons companies do IPOs.

He surely has met with the investment community and described SS as a young business with nothing but growth in front of it.  No investor is going to put money into a business already at the top of its game with no growth strategy.  If Jon simply planned to cut contributor commissions and hope to deliver more profits through cost-cutting, the investment community would laugh him out of the room.  Investors put their money in when they think a company can gain share and/or get big revenue in a market that is growing.  

Increasing the bottom line through cost-cutting is what a desperate company does toward the end of its game.  It's certainly not the strategy for a company that is about to do an IPO.

Of course, if SS gets a lot of capital through its IPO, and down the line it does not deliver on its promises of growth, then the investors will be out for blood, and Jon may have to resort to whatever he can do to make the profit picture look good, i.e. cutting commissions.  But I think that's way down the road, and only if SS fails.  Based on what we all know about Jon and SS, we have little reason to expect this.

It's heartening to hear some positive views on the rationale behind all this, and I especially enjoyed this one.

I do hope you're right, Stockmarketer.  Thanks for posting your anxiety-alleviating thoughts on this.

Microbius

« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2012, 05:22 »
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Now we know for sure the agencies read MSG!   ;D

From the Prospectus:

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INDUSTRY AND MARKET DATA

        Unless otherwise indicated, information contained in this prospectus concerning our industry and the markets in which we operate, including our general expectations and market position, market opportunity and market size, is based on information from various sources, on assumptions that we have made that are based on those data and other similar sources and on our knowledge of the markets for our products. These sources include BCC Research, Zenith Optimedia, BIA Kelsey, Microstock Group Forum, Cisco, IBISWorld, Netcraft and MagnaGlobal. These data involve a number of assumptions and limitations, and you are cautioned not to give undue weight to such estimates. We have not independently verified any third-party information and cannot assure you of its accuracy or completeness. While we believe the market position, market opportunity and market size information included in this prospectus to be generally reliable, such information is inherently imprecise and we cannot give you any assurance that any of the projected results will be achieved. In addition, projections, assumptions and estimates of our future performance and the future performance of the industry in which we operate is necessarily subject to a high degree of uncertainty and risk due to a variety of factors, including those described in "Risk Factors" and elsewhere in this prospectus. These and other factors could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in the estimates made by the independent parties and by us.
Cool! Where can we find the prospectus?

Microbius

« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2012, 05:27 »
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I'm interested in buying a little.  Maybe everyone should buy a little.  It would be nice for contributors to have voice with ownership.  Imagine the annual shareholders meeting if some of the more opinionated Microstockgroup denizens showed up.    
I would consider it when the shares hit the exchange. We wont be in the running for the IPO of course, unless there are a few millionaires/ billionaires hiding in the corner  ;)
It would be great if the majority of the shares could eventually be bought by contributors, but try getting that organised!

« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2012, 05:32 »
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The company will use money from the IPO for operational purposes, as well as possibly acquiring other companies that are strategic to its current business."

Hooray! They're going to buy iStock! There'll be lots of money left over, too, once all iStock's debts are factored into the deal.

« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2012, 05:37 »
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For the year ended 2011, Shutterstock earned 21.8 million on a revenue of $120.2 million. More than 550,000 active, paying users contributed to revenue in 2011, representing an increase of 71 percent compared to the prior year.

If the shares are being sold to raise about $118m, that would be a five-times multiple over earnings. Isn't that far too low for the whole company? I'd be overjoyed to get a 20% earnings return instantly on a company growing 70% a year. It suggests to me that fewer than half the shares will be up for grabs.

« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2012, 05:49 »
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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549346/000104746912005905/a2209364zs-1.htm


This is fascinating stuff. It's the first time we've ever seen the financial details of a microstock agency.

Last year SS generated revenue of $120M and the 'Cost of revenue' was $45.5M. Assuming that that is the commissions paid out (and possibly referrals too?) it means that SS are paying an average commission of almost 38%. That's up from 35.7% in 2009.

I'm staggered just how much they spend on 'Sales and Marketing'. At nearly $32M it was 26% of their entire revenue. It's $2.7M every month!

I think this could be excellent for contributors and I will certainly be hoping to re-invest some of my earnings into SS stock. Might as well share in the profits of the business we are helping to build.

« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2012, 06:03 »
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The marketing figure makes perfect sense. Why do we rely on agencies to represent us? Because as individuals we don't have the clout to market ourselves. Agencies are firts and foremost a marketing tool for photographers/image producers, the accounting function is secondary.

« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2012, 06:15 »
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Increasing the bottom line through cost-cutting is what a desperate company does toward the end of its game.  It's certainly not the strategy for a company that is about to do an IPO.

But what happens AFTER the IPO?

One of two things happen...
1. SS is successful in the growth strategy it promises to investors.  The investors are happy and tell Jon to stay the course... keep the growth coming!  Contributors stand to benefit greatly in this scenario through increased sales and commissions.
2. SS is unsuccessful in its growth efforts, and its investors are unhappy.  Then it turns to Plan B, which probably combines a different growth strategy with some cost cutting, which could negatively affect us.

Let's just stop being paranoid about an IPO automatically being bad for us.  Think about that logic... Jon raises (pick your number) $X million and says, "Great, now I can contributor commissions"?   That makes no sense.

Step 1 is SS raising a nice sum of investment capital... Steps 2-99 are SS hopefully putting that money to great use in growing the business in ways that benefit them and probably us... Step 100 is when everyone looks back and says "It worked" or "Didn't work" and "What now?"   Let's not all jump to Step 100 AND assume it will be a negative outcome.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2012, 06:18 by stockmarketer »


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« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2012, 06:16 »
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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549346/000104746912005905/a2209364zs-1.htm


This is fascinating stuff. It's the first time we've ever seen the financial details of a microstock agency.

Last year SS generated revenue of $120M and the 'Cost of revenue' was $45.5M. Assuming that that is the commissions paid out (and possibly referrals too?) it means that SS are paying an average commission of almost 38%. That's up from 35.7% in 2009.

I'm staggered just how much they spend on 'Sales and Marketing'. At nearly $32M it was 26% of their entire revenue. It's $2.7M every month!

I think this could be excellent for contributors and I will certainly be hoping to re-invest some of my earnings into SS stock. Might as well share in the profits of the business we are helping to build.


I thought the $32M was pretty interesting too. Goes to show how much money it takes to grow a successful microstock company these days and why all of these cashless startups that try to grow organically fail. That approach may have worked a few years ago but I doubt it's viable now.

Photoshelter burnt through a million in a year trying to jumpstart their stock offering. No wonder why they shut it down. They would have needed massive funding.

« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2012, 06:17 »
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The marketing figure makes perfect sense. Why do we rely on agencies to represent us? Because as individuals we don't have the clout to market ourselves. Agencies are firts and foremost a marketing tool for photographers/image producers, the accounting function is secondary.

I guess so. From what I've heard marketing costs of 26% are comparitively low compared the expenditure on fizzy drinks and 'designer goods' which apparently can be 40%.

« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2012, 06:38 »
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In 2011 the average number of images in the SS library was 15M (averaged over the entire year). Therefore SS generated annual revenue of $8 per image and paid out just over $3 in commission.

« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2012, 08:47 »
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I'm nervous but hopeful. At the very least, I figure we've got at least a year before investors will try to put any pressure on the company to show a return on their investment. Meaning there's still plenty of time before we would even begin to see any possible negative effect of this.

So in the meantime, it's just business as usual for me, with fingers crossed that SS never has to take anything away from us to make investors happy.
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That is it exactly, SS was successful because it maintained low prices and overhead. In the last year we have seen a change in that overhead policy and the type of people SS is bringing into the company. Check out the stock options the new CFO was pulling in before SS brought him on board. And then there is the timing of the new search engine changes.



A best case scenario would be that SS is looking to further the growth of the company and they are using the IPO as a way to generate the cheaper capital needed to expand. The upside is that IPO's can also generate publicity by making the company known to new groups of potential customers.

I guess we could take a look at the track records of the board members and key new employees for a clues into where SS may be headed.
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This is funny.  SS only product is  "low prices" the only reason SS has not raised prices is they can't.  When you have no exclusive products and only compete on price you can't raise your price without exposing your flank. 

The definition of a public companies "mission statement" is to maximize shareholders profit.  Once they go public it is the only mission.  There will no giveaways here.  Only cutthroat capitalism on display.  That unfriendly Getty feeling will be at SS very soon without the high commission payouts.

« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2012, 09:39 »
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In 2011 the average number of images in the SS library was 15M (averaged over the entire year). Therefore SS generated annual revenue of $8 per image and paid out just over $3 in commission.

I have not had time to go through the unaudited FORM S-1 in full, how are you arriving at $3 in commission?

« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2012, 09:49 »
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The marketing figure makes perfect sense. Why do we rely on agencies to represent us? Because as individuals we don't have the clout to market ourselves. Agencies are firts and foremost a marketing tool for photographers/image producers, the accounting function is secondary.

You seem to like to promote this myth. It doesn't really cost that much to open up a shop and compete. When I say compete I mean my earnings on my site versus my earnings on a particular agency.

« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2012, 09:52 »
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I have not had time to go through the unaudited FORM S-1 in full, how are you arriving at $3 in commission?

Halfway through 2011 they would have had about 15M images which I've used as an average figure for the full year. Dividing the annual revenue by the number of images gives $8 per image. I've since noticed that the 'Costs of revenue' includes more than just the commissions;

"Cost of Revenue.    Cost of revenue consists of royalties paid to contributors, credit card processing fees, image and video review costs, customer service expenses, the infrastructure costs related to maintaining our websites and associated employee compensation, facility costs and other supporting overhead costs. We expect that our cost of revenue will increase in absolute dollars in the foreseeable future as our revenue grows."

From the detail they've provided elsewhere on those other costs I'd estimate the actual average commission paid is more like 31% so the annual commission per image is probably a tad less than $2.50. Obviously the longer-term contributors can be expected to earn more and the newbies somewhat less than that average figure.

« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2012, 10:49 »
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The marketing figure makes perfect sense. Why do we rely on agencies to represent us? Because as individuals we don't have the clout to market ourselves. Agencies are firts and foremost a marketing tool for photographers/image producers, the accounting function is secondary.

You seem to like to promote this myth. It doesn't really cost that much to open up a shop and compete. When I say compete I mean my earnings on my site versus my earnings on a particular agency.

Are you saying that you make as much per image selling on your own site as you make from either iStock or Shutterstock? Or is the "particular agency" something like Canstock? And do you have clients who you can direct to your site or are you relying entirely on search engines?

I really do not see how simply through SEO someone can match the returns generated by Shutterstock. But, of course, I might be wrong, and if I am I would like to know how to perform that particular trick.


 

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