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« on: January 11, 2021, 06:40 »
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yes i've made it!! 11 days to get to level 2 (sarcasm) pretty demotivating. Personally it just means I have to spend more of my time elsewhere. Have you 'made' it yet?


« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2021, 07:43 »
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Level two should be reached in another week.   ::)

I was at level 5 until December 31st not that it made any difference to the
piss poor royalties. 

My new years resolution was to cease submitting to these ass hats I've even started to submit to Depositphotos once more because at least their royalties are better than scumstock


« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2021, 07:51 »
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Not going to help income when On Demand (not SOD) are paying as little as $0.45

« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2021, 09:21 »
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Level two should be reached in another week.   ::)

I was at level 5 until December 31st not that it made any difference to the
piss poor royalties. 

My new years resolution was to cease submitting to these ass hats I've even started to submit to Depositphotos once more because at least their royalties are better than scumstock
ROFL. depositphotos lowered commissions today. But okay, still better than sh-it-terstock

« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2021, 10:11 »
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I wonder, how long before Adobe will follow

« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2021, 10:14 »
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I don't even know where is my level  :o

« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2021, 11:04 »
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"I've even started to submit to Depositphotos once more because at least their royalties are better than scumstock"

And then the "Updates to contributor royalties on Depositphotos" eMail arrives...

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2021, 12:11 »
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I don't even know where is my level  :o

Probably 1, since it's the new year, but if you do well, then wonderful, maybe higher.

Dashboard -  https://submit.shutterstock.com/dashboard

Then scroll down, if necessary, just below the downloads and earnings map Etc.

    Lifetime earnings          Monthly earnings           Level

Click Level    (know that part was obvious, but just to have complete instructions?)  :)

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2021, 12:29 »
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Yes I was level 6 and now I don't care about their stupid levels! in fact I don't care one bit about this crooked outfit!

Clair Voyant

« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2021, 15:56 »
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We will never level up to 15% or hypothetically beyond and will remain at 0% because we pulled our portfolio with SS.

« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2021, 16:55 »
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"I've even started to submit to Depositphotos once more because at least their royalties are better than scumstock"

And then the "Updates to contributor royalties on Depositphotos" eMail arrives...

Missed that. Anywhere online?  And could sales there be any more pathetic to begin with?

« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2021, 18:16 »
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Dear contributors,
As an international community, we must align with global market standards and adapt the changes taking place in light of 2020. We have had to make adjustments as a company and would like to inform you about updates to the Depositphotos contributor royalties that will be effective from January 18, 2021. You can view details about the new rates by following this link
It has not been an easy year, however, we do plan to continue investing in the success of the Depositphotos community to help you build on your portfolios and increase sales. This year, we also plan to further invest in improving our platform with new features and introduce updates to our search engine. Our aim is to make your work easily discoverable and ultimately help you sell more. In addition, we are constantly working to expand the Depositphotos customer base as part of our commitment to create more opportunities for all our contributors.
In case you have any questions, feel free to reach out to us at [email protected]

Kind regards,
The Depositphotos Team

« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2021, 19:47 »
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ROFL. depositphotos lowered commissions today. But okay, still better than sh-it-terstock

other than personal animus, how better when they COMBINE low royalties with worse sales??

« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2021, 20:12 »
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Level two should be reached in another week.   ::)

I was at level 5 until December 31st not that it made any difference to the
piss poor royalties. 

My new years resolution was to cease submitting to these ass hats I've even started to submit to Depositphotos once more because at least their royalties are better than scumstock

I started uploading to DepositPhotos again, for the same reason you did. I got the email about the rate change, but it was so ambiguous I couldn't make sense of it. If they have in fact lowered our royalties, I'll remove my portfolio. 

« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2021, 20:40 »
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I didn't get that message from Depositphotos - how low are they are going?  Better go request payout before they go under and keep the money ...

As for SS, don't know when I will level up - those 10-cent downloads don't add up to much.  And with no more uploads it isn't going to get any better. 

I'm pretty much done with new uploads to microstock.  Might send some RM to Alamy just for fun but that is it.  During Covid times I somehow went from having two cats to five, with the last two being kittens who desperately needed a home (I am officially just fostering the kittens but they have been with me almost four months now and don't seem to be leaving so it might become permanent).  My New Year's goal is to get pictures of all five cats online and then my microstock career will be complete.  Meow.

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2021, 23:25 »
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Level two should be reached in another week.   ::)

I was at level 5 until December 31st not that it made any difference to the
piss poor royalties. 

My new years resolution was to cease submitting to these ass hats I've even started to submit to Depositphotos once more because at least their royalties are better than scumstock
ROFL. depositphotos lowered commissions today. But okay, still better than sh-it-terstock

So this is the point micro has reached. "Hey we just got screwed. But it's so much better of a screwing than we got from the other company."  These companies must study psychological warfare.

« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2021, 03:32 »
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Level two should be reached in another week.   ::)

I was at level 5 until December 31st not that it made any difference to the
piss poor royalties. 

My new years resolution was to cease submitting to these ass hats I've even started to submit to Depositphotos once more because at least their royalties are better than scumstock
ROFL. depositphotos lowered commissions today. But okay, still better than sh-it-terstock

Yeah I get the joke because they too dropped their royalties so I stopped further uploading ::)


« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2021, 05:05 »
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Level two should be reached in another week.   ::)

I was at level 5 until December 31st not that it made any difference to the
piss poor royalties. 

My new years resolution was to cease submitting to these ass hats I've even started to submit to Depositphotos once more because at least their royalties are better than scumstock
ROFL. depositphotos lowered commissions today. But okay, still better than sh-it-terstock

So this is the point micro has reached. "Hey we just got screwed. But it's so much better of a screwing than we got from the other company."  These companies must study psychological warfare.

In my case I've got no money coming in from anywhere at the moment due to various calamities in 2020.

Either make money or starve  :(

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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2021, 06:24 »
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I just reached Tier 2 and on my way to riches!

First 100 images earned me a whopping $24.25.

Compared to my first 100 images in 2020, 52.7% drop ($51.64) 

Compared to my first 100 images in 2019,  46.9% drop ($45.55)

Can't wait to report on my first 250 downloads (beginning of Tier 3)!

On my way to have a steak-lunch courtesy of SS 🤨


« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2021, 09:19 »
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I just reached Tier 2 and on my way to riches!

First 100 images earned me a whopping $24.25.

Compared to my first 100 images in 2020, 52.7% drop ($51.64)

Compared to my first 100 images in 2019,  46.9% drop ($45.55)

Can't wait to report on my first 250 downloads (beginning of Tier 3)!

On my way to have a steak-lunch courtesy of SS


Hopefully a $1 vid download will speed that up. Its a whopping 10X of photo royalties. Maybe a steak with a coke

« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2021, 13:51 »
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17 video downloads: 48$ :o. RPD: 2.82. Usually, my monthly RPD is 12-20$. I'll wait for the rest of the month and see...
Now at level 2, I'll need another 6 months to get back to level 4 :(

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2021, 15:34 »
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ROFL. depositphotos lowered commissions today. But okay, still better than sh-it-terstock

other than personal animus, how better when they COMBINE low royalties with worse sales??

And how soon people forget that DP was trying to cheat us out of commissions, and has done a number of underhanded things to artists, but people still have accounts and upload there?


So this is the point micro has reached. "Hey we just got screwed. But it's so much better of a screwing than we got from the other company."  These companies must study psychological warfare.

Maybe so, what's the other one? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Maybe there are so many new people in Microstock that they don't remember the long line of contract alterations, which took away past agreements, change our rights and percentage, realigned levels, and through whatever means, were ways to lower our income. Best part of each of these changes has always been someone blowing smoke up our asses about how this will be better for us. (that's a historical term, not just a vulgarity)

Who's left and who's next? Not much concern from me, I'm down to two agencies that I actually care about. As angry as that makes some people, those are SS and AS. I work for the people that pay me, not the ones with the biggest promises and lies.

« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2021, 17:22 »
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Maybe so, what's the other one? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
 
History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes Mark Twain.

History repeats itself, " first as tragedy, second as farce " - Karl Marx (a slight misquote)

« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2021, 18:02 »
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17 video downloads: 48$ :o. RPD: 2.82. Usually, my monthly RPD is 12-20$. I'll wait for the rest of the month and see...
Now at level 2, I'll need another 6 months to get back to level 4 :(

This is where im being killed.

Normal video RPD = $21
January 21 RPD = $5.50

Its not just the level cull, its all the sales are the tiny subscription/web embedded on top of that.
Even when i get to my previous level it'll still be half as the type of sales seems to have shifted.

« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2021, 18:34 »
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My worst start to the year since 2016.
Not only on SS but on all sites.
We'll see.....

« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2021, 00:21 »
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My worst start to the year since 2016.
Not only on SS but on all sites.
We'll see.....

I feel the same way. The only outlier is Adobe Stock.

I think some companies canceled their stock subscription plans at the end of the year to save money.

Many smaller companies are struggling right now, so let's hope for a semblance of normalcy later in the year.

« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2021, 12:38 »
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I am probably 2 weeks away from level 3. I hope January is a good month for sales #'s


« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2021, 09:42 »
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TOo much 15 cents and less this years. sell 110 photos in a day and make 30$ this is very bad. Adobe stock is great this years and istock seem to have lot of sale too but too much 3 cents loll

« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2021, 10:54 »
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So far this month SS is my number 5 agency.  Fading to irrelevance, unfortunately.

« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2021, 16:27 »
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The sad part is that I'm already at level 4 but doesn't seem to make a difference.

« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2021, 17:11 »
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97 photo sell today for a a big 35$ :(

« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2021, 17:35 »
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slow month so far over all agencies - ?? combination post-holiday, continuing economic downturn, covid ??

« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2021, 07:07 »
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Just got the "Youve climbed to a higher levelnice! " email from them  ::)

Keep submitting great work to continue climbingyoull achieve your next jump to level 3 once your content has been licensed 251 times.
Here are a few tips to help you get there faster.  :o

Just eff off Stan & Jon  >:(

« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2021, 07:15 »
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buyer are there the probleme is 45 sell on night and :   12.18$$$ i am level 4

H2O

« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2021, 07:20 »
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The reality is the wealthy are just stealing our money, it is the same old story down the ages, here in the UK we had the 17 & 18th century Mill Owners who would cut their workers wages, while claiming poverty and yet they all lived in large houses with servants.

Shutterstock are really no different, here is the quote from their original announcement last year:- 'We are making this adjustment in order to reflect changes in the market for creative content, help to create fair opportunities for all our contributors, and reward performance with greater earnings potential.' - Which is all just rhetoric.

I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall; until the capitalist system is changed to bar these so called 'investors' from enterprises that operate as collectives, which in my opinion is exactly what Microstock is, then the wealthy will continue to farm contributors.

I think Shutterstock is finished and we are likely to see a number of challengers in the forthcoming years, it's good to see Adobe selling at a decent price, which just puts the lie to Shutterstocks reason.






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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2021, 09:15 »
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Maybe so, what's the other one? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
 
History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes Mark Twain.

History repeats itself, " first as tragedy, second as farce " - Karl Marx (a slight misquote)

Good! Great minds...

I'd say you are more or less precisely correct.
Werner Heisenberg


    Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future
    Neils Bohr





There's a quote from someone, or found in the Bible to support any possible agenda or argument. (if you twist it hard enough)

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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2021, 12:55 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?


Uncle Pete

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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2021, 16:22 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"

A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.

These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.


Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors.

All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.

I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.

OM

« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2021, 21:18 »
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Welcome to the world of the corporate kleptocracy. Senior management at SS is now cracking open their bottles of vintage champagne in expectation of their realization of multi-million dollar options bonuses because Q1 profits just went through the roof...our loss is their gain (bigly)!

Methinks the biggest pain I can inflict on them (and myself) is to delete my top 30 best-sellers and keep the rest of non-sellers to foul-up their servers! With every 10 cent dl, I begrudge them the light in their eyes and dollars on their bank balance!
« Last Edit: January 16, 2021, 04:55 by OM »

H2O

« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2021, 10:34 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"

A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.

These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.


Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors.

All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.

I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.



You make the mistake that this is a vague generalized attack, it isn't, it is specific to the Microstock business in that shareholders are a cancer that eat away at our business in the name of capitalism using shareholder dividends, taking away our cash created by our hard work over many years, if it was capitalism, it would be about creating money, innovation and moving forward, what SS have done is legalised theft.

You may never have heard a word about screwing employees . . . when you have been on boards, but somethings don't need to be said, you sound more like an accountant than a creative, did you ever discuss giving your employees pay rises?

As for your assertion that shareholders are to blame, I never said this, I said "I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall;

The problem you have is a rigid mindset in thinking that the microstock contributor is a employee, they are not, they are 'contributors' and the stock agencies are the agents selling our work.

It is exactly the same relationship as an actor has, they represent us and our creative work, I don't see Tom Cruise's Agent bringing in outside shareholders to take three quarters or more of his earnings.

SS is a business for it's contributors, not for any old bod who happens to come along after the business has been built and start to take money off the people who have helped build the business.

These underhand tactics by SS and other Microstock agencies give Capitalism a bad name.


Uncle Pete

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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2021, 11:56 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"

A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.

These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.


Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors.

All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.

I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.



You make the mistake that this is a vague generalized attack, it isn't, it is specific to the Microstock business in that shareholders are a cancer that eat away at our business in the name of capitalism using shareholder dividends, taking away our cash created by our hard work over many years, if it was capitalism, it would be about creating money, innovation and moving forward, what SS have done is legalised theft.

You may never have heard a word about screwing employees . . . when you have been on boards, but somethings don't need to be said, you sound more like an accountant than a creative, did you ever discuss giving your employees pay rises?

As for your assertion that shareholders are to blame, I never said this, I said "I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall;

The problem you have is a rigid mindset in thinking that the microstock contributor is a employee, they are not, they are 'contributors' and the stock agencies are the agents selling our work.

It is exactly the same relationship as an actor has, they represent us and our creative work, I don't see Tom Cruise's Agent bringing in outside shareholders to take three quarters or more of his earnings.

SS is a business for it's contributors, not for any old bod who happens to come along after the business has been built and start to take money off the people who have helped build the business.

These underhand tactics by SS and other Microstock agencies give Capitalism a bad name.

Correct we are not employees. They aren't our agents either. Yes, I'd like to get paid a fair return for my work. Correct, I don't think a CEO is worth $4.7 million either. Unless they can make the company $20 million more under their leadership of course.

You'll have to read the board meeting minutes if you are going to say they have targeted us because of shareholder demands or officers designing changes to take away income from artists as individuals. I haven't so I make no claim except from past experience. You need to look for facts and come back with some proof or evidence to support your allegations, not just, generalized attacks.

I think all of us are ahead of the 4th quarter report that might show us how they are doing. I don't own SSTK and I don't have insider knowledge. I'm waiting to see what comes out.

If you were the company owner, how long would you keep paying people over 300% of what you earned on many large package downloads? Or on others, more than you make. What kind of business sense does it take to understand you can't operate at a loss, and make a profit?


H2O

« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2021, 12:37 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"

A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.

These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.


Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors.

All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.

I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.



You make the mistake that this is a vague generalized attack, it isn't, it is specific to the Microstock business in that shareholders are a cancer that eat away at our business in the name of capitalism using shareholder dividends, taking away our cash created by our hard work over many years, if it was capitalism, it would be about creating money, innovation and moving forward, what SS have done is legalised theft.

You may never have heard a word about screwing employees . . . when you have been on boards, but somethings don't need to be said, you sound more like an accountant than a creative, did you ever discuss giving your employees pay rises?

As for your assertion that shareholders are to blame, I never said this, I said "I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall;

The problem you have is a rigid mindset in thinking that the microstock contributor is a employee, they are not, they are 'contributors' and the stock agencies are the agents selling our work.

It is exactly the same relationship as an actor has, they represent us and our creative work, I don't see Tom Cruise's Agent bringing in outside shareholders to take three quarters or more of his earnings.

SS is a business for it's contributors, not for any old bod who happens to come along after the business has been built and start to take money off the people who have helped build the business.

These underhand tactics by SS and other Microstock agencies give Capitalism a bad name.

Correct we are not employees. They aren't our agents either. Yes, I'd like to get paid a fair return for my work. Correct, I don't think a CEO is worth $4.7 million either. Unless they can make the company $20 million more under their leadership of course.

You'll have to read the board meeting minutes if you are going to say they have targeted us because of shareholder demands or officers designing changes to take away income from artists as individuals. I haven't so I make no claim except from past experience. You need to look for facts and come back with some proof or evidence to support your allegations, not just, generalized attacks.

I think all of us are ahead of the 4th quarter report that might show us how they are doing. I don't own SSTK and I don't have insider knowledge. I'm waiting to see what comes out.

If you were the company owner, how long would you keep paying people over 300% of what you earned on many large package downloads? Or on others, more than you make. What kind of business sense does it take to understand you can't operate at a loss, and make a profit?


In my opinion they are our Agents, just because you assert they arent doesnt make it so, where is your evidence to prove otherwise? a employee has, certain rights like overtime, holiday, sick pay etc. .

As for reading board minutes, this maybe because you are an accountant, creatives dont read minutes.

If I was a company owner I would never have go into the position of paying more than something costs, and I never did when I was running a business, if SS have been doing this then more fool them, but they still seem to have been making money overall, which of course is what it is about, maybe they consider these packages to be lose leaders.

If they are making a loss, then why bring in shareholders, this would only compound the loss?

Your reasoning doesnt make sense.




« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2021, 13:44 »
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Correct we are not employees. They aren't our agents either. Yes, I'd like to get paid a fair return for my work. Correct, I don't think a CEO is worth $4.7 million either. Unless they can make the company $20 million more under their leadership of course.

You'll have to read the board meeting minutes if you are going to say they have targeted us because of shareholder demands or officers designing changes to take away income from artists as individuals. I haven't so I make no claim except from past experience. You need to look for facts and come back with some proof or evidence to support your allegations, not just, generalized attacks.

I think all of us are ahead of the 4th quarter report that might show us how they are doing. I don't own SSTK and I don't have insider knowledge. I'm waiting to see what comes out.

If you were the company owner, how long would you keep paying people over 300% of what you earned on many large package downloads? Or on others, more than you make. What kind of business sense does it take to understand you can't operate at a loss, and make a profit?

I agree with a lot of your insights. SS was never in the business of making contributors money - they were and are only in the business of making themselves money. That's their business making money. The fact that we make (OR MADE) money along the way was irrelevant to SS. 

I also think that if Subs packages aren't profitable for them they should either not sell sub packages or raise the price to a level that does make them money.

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2021, 14:12 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!

H2O

« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2021, 16:50 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!

Absolutely spot on comment.

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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2021, 19:36 »
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oh I couldn't work out why my earnings were so low this month, Level 1. bah.

« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2021, 00:34 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!
You have a contract you agreed for all the micro agencies but you don't understand what that said? https://submit.shutterstock.com/legal/terms#:~:text=Terms%20of%20Service%20Shutterstock,%20Inc.,%20and,%20where%20the,content%20from%20the%20Shutterstock%20websites%20(collectively,%20%22Shutterstock%20Websites%22).

The terms say #18 The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors. There is no relationship of partnership, joint venture, employment, franchise or agency created hereby between the parties. You're wrong.


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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2021, 06:24 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!
You have a contract you agreed for all the micro agencies but you don't understand what that said? https://submit.shutterstock.com/legal/terms#:~:text=Terms%20of%20Service%20Shutterstock,%20Inc.,%20and,%20where%20the,content%20from%20the%20Shutterstock%20websites%20(collectively,%20%22Shutterstock%20Websites%22).

The terms say #18 The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors. There is no relationship of partnership, joint venture, employment, franchise or agency created hereby between the parties. You're wrong.

After 25 years in the stock-photography business and assignment photography! YES I think I understand what it means! ;)

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« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2021, 06:39 »
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So you understand that they're not your agent, as stated in the Shutterstock legal terms, but you're also stating that they are in fact your agent? 25 years or not... it would appear you're slightly confused.

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« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2021, 08:38 »
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So you understand that they're not your agent, as stated in the Shutterstock legal terms, but you're also stating that they are in fact your agent? 25 years or not... it would appear you're slightly confused.


In a contract or not, it is implied that they are an Agent, plus their business model is that of an Agent.

'#18 The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors' - A contractor by definition, is someone asked to do something by someone else. You are contracted to undertake work, you cannot sign up to be 'contracted', as this implies, it simply doesn't make sense; SS don't specifically ask people to undertake work.

This is a ambiguous part of their so called 'contract'. I guess it shows that those as SS are not so clever and basically all the artists who have signed up, are just that artists.

The reality is like so many business, the people at the top are crooks, this is really what it comes down to.



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« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2021, 10:46 »
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So you understand that they're not your agent, as stated in the Shutterstock legal terms, but you're also stating that they are in fact your agent? 25 years or not... it would appear you're slightly confused.

No it appears you are slightly confused! no offence!  25 years in the stock-industry yes but NOT with SS (2005)....anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent. BAPLA the British association pf photographic libraries would certainly view it as such.

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« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2021, 13:04 »
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...anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent.

Sorry, but that's just not true. While there may be some similarities, these stock sites are not our agents... and while you can draw comparisons or make similarities or make assumptions about what BAPLA would or wouldn't view it as all you like... it says quite clearly in the legal agreement that they're not our agents. 

H2O

« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2021, 13:44 »
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...anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent.

Sorry, but that's just not true. While there may be some similarities, these stock sites are not our agents... and while you can draw comparisons or make similarities or make assumptions about what BAPLA would or wouldn't view it as all you like... it says quite clearly in the legal agreement that they're not our agents.

It certainly does say it and it also says many other things, but just because it says it doesn't mean to say that the contract is written right, it also says:-  We are independent contractors - A contractor by definition, is someone asked to do something by someone else. You are contracted to undertake work, you cannot sign up to be 'contracted', as this implies, it simply doesn't make sense; SS don't specifically ask people to undertake work.

The reality is SS is run like the Mafia, I wonder if Trump has any shares in it.

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« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2021, 14:26 »
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...anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent.

Sorry, but that's just not true. While there may be some similarities, these stock sites are not our agents... and while you can draw comparisons or make similarities or make assumptions about what BAPLA would or wouldn't view it as all you like... it says quite clearly in the legal agreement that they're not our agents.

It certainly does say it and it also says many other things, but just because it says it doesn't mean to say that the contract is written right, it also says:-  We are independent contractors - A contractor by definition, is someone asked to do something by someone else. You are contracted to undertake work, you cannot sign up to be 'contracted', as this implies, it simply doesn't make sense; SS don't specifically ask people to undertake work.

The reality is SS is run like the Mafia, I wonder if Trump has any shares in it.

Damned right! and a noob Mafia at that they can't even cover their own silly mistakes or decisions just blatently slap us in the face every time relying on the fact they can replace contributors in 5 minutes time with another bunch of starry-eyed people!

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« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2021, 11:33 »
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...anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent.

Sorry, but that's just not true. While there may be some similarities, these stock sites are not our agents... and while you can draw comparisons or make similarities or make assumptions about what BAPLA would or wouldn't view it as all you like... it says quite clearly in the legal agreement that they're not our agents.

This is just getting stupid. People arguing with you that "in their opinion it's..." or that according to someone else, any contract makes them an agent.

Let me post the direct quote from the TOS:

The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors. There is no relationship of partnership, joint venture, employment, franchise or agency created hereby between the parties.

independent contractors, plain and simple, there's nothing to argue.

Independent contractors are self-employed people who work for other people or businesses as nonemployees.


The reality is SS is run like the Mafia, I wonder if Trump has any shares in it.


You are showing your desperation to argue using irrelevant, emotionally laced comparisons. How sweet is that cool-ade?


« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2021, 23:01 »
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My worst start to the year since 2016.
Not only on SS but on all sites.
We'll see.....

Same here, not since 2016 as I haven't been on that long but certainly since December 2019 when I had almost half the port I do today. 

« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2021, 08:54 »
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Just looking at SS, pro rata previous years for fairness im looking like being about 50% down on an average January. Even though actual number of sales might be about the same as usual, i know there are 10 days to go yet, just saying.


« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2021, 10:27 »
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So far my january on SS is 64% lower than it would have been with the old earning structure  :'(

« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2021, 13:41 »
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So far my january on SS is 64% lower than it would have been with the old earning structure  :'(

And the same here. Just about all sales (74) with a $0.10 commission. Gee, thanks SS.

Meanwhile Dreamstime is not only outselling the SS but sales are consistently coming in at +$1.00us and higher! More reason to abandon the SS and happy I stopped uploading to Jonnie and his cronies last March.

« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2021, 13:58 »
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Is it not a bit early for comparing last January when we are still in January? Im simliar with Dreamtime though, quite a few $4 sales and $1 dollars.....quite unlike them! Non-exclusive iStock still brings me in more money than any of the other top agencies.

« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2021, 16:49 »
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Is it not a bit early for comparing last January when we are still in January? Im simliar with Dreamtime though, quite a few $4 sales and $1 dollars.....quite unlike them! Non-exclusive iStock still brings me in more money than any of the other top agencies.

Not really.  Its 3 weeks in and for lots of people many hundreds of sales so perfectly fair to get a feel for average RPD/number of downloads and so on.

« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2021, 19:53 »
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I'm 100% down from last January on SS. Last October was the only month DT seemed to do well for me in a while - and that was still pretty sad.

« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2021, 22:03 »
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ROFL -- comparing Jan 2020 to 2021 as if all things were equal  - US has 400K dead, and a cratering economy from a global  pandemic - might that have anything to do with year to year sales

12+ million unemployed - more than double  2019

« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2021, 07:38 »
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I averaged mine over much more that 'last year', and it's not fact until the end of month obviously, hence an indication.
Lucky old me though (sarcasm), level 3 already. I wonder how many are on level 6 already. Still looking at 50% down if im lucky. Under no illusions, the more its not worth it (anywhere), the less effort i make, the more i do something else elsewhere.

« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2021, 07:45 »
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ROFL -- comparing Jan 2020 to 2021 as if all things were equal  - US has 400K dead, and a cratering economy from a global  pandemic - might that have anything to do with year to year sales

12+ million unemployed - more than double  2019

Not really when number of downloads remains consistent to last year.

Perfectly possible to compare to last year as a whole, or since June or whatever.

For most of us, sales volumes remain pretty much the same.  Its the commission cut doing it.

« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2021, 07:51 »
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ROFL -- comparing Jan 2020 to 2021 as if all things were equal  - US has 400K dead, and a cratering economy from a global  pandemic - might that have anything to do with year to year sales

12+ million unemployed - more than double  2019

Not really when number of downloads remains consistent to last year.

Perfectly possible to compare to last year as a whole, or since June or whatever.

For most of us, sales volumes remain pretty much the same.  Its the commission cut doing it.
Well said, reasonable point but i've no doubt it must have some affect. Big jobs being cancelled so maybe larger commissions are less, certainly ive had many more smaller sale and less bigger ones, regardless of commission percentage.

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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2021, 09:07 »
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ROFL -- comparing Jan 2020 to 2021 as if all things were equal  - US has 400K dead, and a cratering economy from a global  pandemic - might that have anything to do with year to year sales

12+ million unemployed - more than double  2019

Not really when number of downloads remains consistent to last year.

Perfectly possible to compare to last year as a whole, or since June or whatever.

For most of us, sales volumes remain pretty much the same.  Its the commission cut doing it.
Well said, reasonable point but i've no doubt it must have some affect. Big jobs being cancelled so maybe larger commissions are less, certainly ive had many more smaller sale and less bigger ones, regardless of commission percentage.

I'll wait until the end of the month so I can see how all the agencies did on a level monthly basis. But so far the trend on SS follows what you wrote. In my case less downloads overall and more of those are 10, less ODs and Singles.

Moving into different ideas, subjects and concentrating on what sells on Adobe.


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« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2021, 09:22 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!



I think that is part of the problem.
Digital images dont exist physically, so I sometimes think maybe that's why agents can sell them so cheaply.
Getting a few cents for an image is just a joke.
If it was a solid object maybe there would seem to be more value in them.


 

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