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Phadrea

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« on: November 27, 2012, 05:52 »
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I have waited a year to give my thoughts on SS and leaving IS exclusivity. I would say for me it hasn't been worth it. I have lost around $100 a month. I make around a dollar a day at SS and many rejections so my full portfolio (including ONES THAT SELL at IS) are not included. Even worse for Dreamstime. Only managed one payout this year from them as it's a $100 threshold.

Even with IS having a terrible year it would have been better to stick with them but I suppose you have to take risks. My thoughts on SS are very very disappointing to say the least. This month one of the worst. Others will probably probably disagree.



« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 05:56 »
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Herg, how many images do you have in your port?

Phadrea

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 06:01 »
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361 but could have been a lot more if they didn't reject images that sell on IS.

« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 06:07 »
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Can you show us your portfolio?

« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2012, 06:15 »
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Im sorry to hear.

Now you can have two different afterthoughts. One being of course the financial one, that you have already stated. That it was a disappointment.

The other one is a bit different and starts with a question: Now, why is your shutterstock performance not on par with your iStock performance? That is of course because of the benifits of being a sheltered istock exclusive. You know that. But have you thought of the consequenses of this in the long run. Both for iStock and you in particular. Istock exclusive pictures and contributors are loosing competitive edge when first they are let out of the glasshouse.

One thing is to be exclusive with a well performing agency on the rise, but if the agency goes down, and the glasshouse is finally broken, the species adapted to the tropical environment inside cannot survive in the cold climate outside.
You have been brave and left in good time, and you have now learned a valuable and costly lesson: If you want to compete in the cold, you must improve. Be happy that you learned it in good time before the others.

Im sorry if I sound cynical, I might be wrong, the glasshouse might not be cracking and there might not be an exodus underway.




ruxpriencdiam

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 06:27 »
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To get any real good sales and exposure you will need about five times what you have. :(

« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 06:48 »
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It could well be that your portfolio is simply better suited to iStock's client base - I know when I started, I submitted to several agencies and found that my iStock sales outstripped all others by so much that it was simply a no-brainer to go exclusive, once I reached the target (then 500 DLs).

I don't believe it would be so straightforward a choice these days, especially with iStock's performance over the last few months, but I am still finding that I have a year-on-year increase of 24% in royalties, which isn't bad as I'm not very prolific and mostly just take pictures of things I like.  If my year-on-year figure goes negative I might have to consider dropping exclusivity, but I am expecting to go up another royalty level this year so chances are that won't happen just yet.

I've also recently (well, in the last year) tried doing simple videos, and upload them to five sites, including SS - and even with those, I've made more sales from iStock than all the other sites combined.  That said, my video sales so far are miniscule, but if they continue I might even have to consider going exclusive for video too.  I don't really want to, as it would mean some of them being removed from sale because iStock don't do editorial, but it could be that I'd be a fool not to.

But still, 361 isn't a large portfolio.  Could be you should give it a bit longer, especially if you have more to upload.  You can always reinstate your exclusivity at 90 days notice...  but I agree, $1 a day looks pretty poor next to, say, a single XL E+ sale on iStock, netting about $20 on its own...

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 07:00 »
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Keep in mind that if you decide to go back to exclusive that you will start over in search placement. You may have had good placement before. Or you may end up better this time around. It's a gamble. Good luck with whatever you do.

« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 12:19 »
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you have 6 new files at SS on the last 9 months

361 files - 30$ - 0.083$ RPI (you need 1203 files to reach 100$)

your last file (audio) at iStock is from November 2012
your last file (photo) at iStock is from August 2010

if your photo income isn't making you happy I would certainly leave it, I believe Audio is your main ambition/income right? go for it and forget all about photography (I am not being sarcastic)

wish you the best ;D

my SS rpi/month is at the 0.13$ (thinking of 2012 earnings)

« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2012, 20:54 »
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I have the exact opposite then you currently. my portfolio as of last month was around 150-170 images or so and I netted about 85 bucks give or take. most months I've been getting between 2-2.5 bucks per day on shutterstock.

When it comes to istock though same portfolio more or less and yet I hit an all time high of 25 bucks two months ago including their partner program. for my istock non exclusive just isn't giving me much and even less compared to shutterstock. Istock is still better then everyone else out there other then shutterstock for me by about a factor of 2 but still doesn't hold a candle to shutterstock.

Only thing I can think of is as someone else brought up different clients might be partly to blame.

« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 01:28 »
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Herg!  yes I remember you, when you left exclusivity, etc. To rely on SS alone is like putting all eggs in one basket. You cant. Nowdays, SS will also start trembling and wobbling under the shareholders mighty preassure, shouting for more revenues and profits, etc. Dont get fooled. Go back to the IS exclusivity, if you can that is.

best of luck.

« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 03:01 »
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Yes go back to exclusive! Great idea! Also could everyone else join him please?

« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 03:51 »
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Yes go back to exclusive! Great idea! Also could everyone else join him please?

Ha, ha ;D.  Mark, I didnt mean it like that ( you made me laugh here) but if he doing badly, not even as much as he did as an exclusive,  then whats the point?  no matter what you think of an agency, you want to be where you get the best revenue dont you.

best.

« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 05:57 »
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As said earlier you can be living in a false environment as an exclusive. Leave and you get a dose of reality. Many shots won't get past current reviews on SS (even though these can be very variable). Time to rebuild and suck up the initial pain or stay at IS as a protected species facing possible extinction. The best time to give up being exclusive was probable 12-18 months ago. We can not go back in time. The best time to do a road trip in Europe was 40 years ago sad but true.

« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2012, 12:24 »
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Time to rebuild and suck up the initial pain or stay at IS as a protected species facing possible extinction.

I like this. It describes the situation exactly. :)

« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2012, 04:22 »
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I have waited a year to give my thoughts on SS and leaving IS exclusivity. I would say for me it hasn't been worth it. I have lost around $100 a month. I make around a dollar a day at SS and many rejections so my full portfolio (including ONES THAT SELL at IS) are not included. Even worse for Dreamstime. Only managed one payout this year from them as it's a $100 threshold.

Even with IS having a terrible year it would have been better to stick with them but I suppose you have to take risks. My thoughts on SS are very very disappointing to say the least. This month one of the worst. Others will probably probably disagree.

Same experience here. IS in low hours is much better than this incredible (...put your favourite vulgar adjective here...)

Poncke

« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2012, 05:17 »
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361 but could have been a lot more if they didn't reject images that sell on IS.
I have got 2 x your port size but 10 x the $$ (daily) and my photos are mediocre. So you need to start looking at yourself and not blame SS.


gillian vann

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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2012, 05:24 »
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i've got a port half the size and similar earnings. you're making life as an IS exclusive look good.

can you put just some images into exclusive at iS or does your whole port have to?


« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2012, 05:42 »
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whole port
contrary to DT.

« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2012, 09:35 »
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whole port
contrary to DT.

actually he can have his port all up at iStock as exclusive and start new portfolios on other agencies, I know so many cases that I would be all day here talking about them...

there is one example, an exclusive at IS that has lightboxes connecting to his non exclusive portfolio with the same images but mirrored.. and yes he have accounts on all agencies! ::)

« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2012, 09:44 »
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If he does that he is in breach of contract and istock will delete his portfolio when they find out. istock has full "artist exclusivity" for all RF content.

However, it is possible to upload RM files to other sites and many people do.

« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2012, 09:48 »
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If he does that he is in breach of contract and istock will delete his portfolio when they find out. istock has full "artist exclusivity" for all RF content.

However, it is possible to upload RM files to other sites and many people do.

as I am kind I have PMed him and he haven't even answered, glad I made it clear if he uploads a single file to an agency beside iStock I will contact them ;D

« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2012, 10:06 »
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as I am kind I have PMed him and he haven't even answered, glad I made it clear if he uploads a single file to an agency beside iStock I will contact them ;D
Why would you do that?

« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2012, 10:08 »
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as I am kind I have PMed him and he haven't even answered, glad I made it clear if he uploads a single file to an agency beside iStock I will contact them ;D
Why would you do that?

what do you mean? contacting him? not having contacted iStock already?

« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2012, 11:17 »
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Why would you even think of being a stool pigeon for istock?  I have nothing against them personally but lots of folks feel they are not exactly fair so an element of karma if someone is putting one over on them?

« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2012, 12:52 »
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Why would you even think of being a stool pigeon for istock?  I have nothing against them personally but lots of folks feel they are not exactly fair so an element of karma if someone is putting one over on them?

I am no pigeon, it just happens when doing searches etc no need to look that much to find them

gillian vann

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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2012, 15:56 »
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whole port
contrary to DT.

I thought so, thanks.


you don't often hear about DT exclusives, on paper it looks good, is it?


tab62

« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2012, 16:02 »
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For me SS accounts from 25% to 40% of my monthly earnings thus make sure you are also a contributor to the rest of the sites. Alamy is the wild that really can make some big sales just not on a regular basis- at least for me on my limited portfolio. I figure with about 600 or more images you should be able to reach the $100 pay out each month for ss...

RacePhoto

« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2012, 22:09 »
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I have waited a year to give my thoughts on SS and leaving IS exclusivity. I would say for me it hasn't been worth it. I have lost around $100 a month. I make around a dollar a day at SS and many rejections so my full portfolio (including ONES THAT SELL at IS) are not included. Even worse for Dreamstime. Only managed one payout this year from them as it's a $100 threshold.

Even with IS having a terrible year it would have been better to stick with them but I suppose you have to take risks. My thoughts on SS are very very disappointing to say the least. This month one of the worst. Others will probably probably disagree.

My compliments for waiting a year and giving it a chance. Has it been a year already? That was fast.

So far after leaving IS exclusivity and going to SS is absolutely dire. After 3 days at SS I have earned a mere $2.00 on 8 downloads. That's much worse than IS who pay more than that for one download. I have checked my images and they do come up in the searches.

I remember when you started asking about this and some people mentioned that your collection wasn't as much microstock as it was art and scenic. maybe that's a good reason why it didn't work across all the little sites, like some others. Maybe that's why so many were rejected? I like the cows and people shots, very natural.

Some others have found success on becoming non-exclusive. There's no guarantee and maybe for what you have, it's more marketable on IS only? I don't know.

But as always, I wish you the best, whatever you decide to do.

Did you link to your port? I'm not going to if you aren't making that public. But if people can see your work, it's easier to understand how it's not like the bright, colorful, pop, Microstock. Nothing wrong with what you shoot, just that it's not mainstream.



 

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