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« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2022, 14:55 »
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Just wanted to see if anyone had any insight on this - there's a photo I recently submitted - let's say it's a photo of a flower. I submit it, along with about 30 other photos (mix of commercial and editorial). Only THIS photo gets reviewed immediately - and immediately gets swiftly rejected due to "noise" (uh huh....  ::) ) The other photos stay in the queue and are later reviewed.

I see the rejection and get irritated lol, so I re-submit the photo of the flower. Again, immediately rejected for noise. For kicks, I submit some more photos. Those photos sit in the queue as they should.

I try it a third time - again, immediately rejected.

Anyone know what's going on here? It's so weird. It's just this one particular photo.


« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2022, 01:55 »
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Just wanted to see if anyone had any insight on this - there's a photo I recently submitted - let's say it's a photo of a flower. I submit it, along with about 30 other photos (mix of commercial and editorial). Only THIS photo gets reviewed immediately - and immediately gets swiftly rejected due to "noise" (uh huh....  ::) ) The other photos stay in the queue and are later reviewed.

I see the rejection and get irritated lol, so I re-submit the photo of the flower. Again, immediately rejected for noise. For kicks, I submit some more photos. Those photos sit in the queue as they should.

I try it a third time - again, immediately rejected.

Anyone know what's going on here? It's so weird. It's just this one particular photo.

This kind of review behavior started already a few months ago: My images now always get reviewed in 2 "batches". I can submit for example 10 images and 4 will be reviewed at one point, and the other 6 at another time. Some think that the faster review is an AI review, though I doubt that. An AI review would still not take hours. But maybe there is still an AI involved in the review, by pre-sorting the images for rerview and there are two different review teams. Maybe a standart one that gets the images where the AI can't auto-detect any problems with things like focus or noise and the ones where the AI fails to make an assessment go to a more experienced review team? This is of course all pure speculation. All I can say for sure is that commercial images submitted get devided into two different review processes now, like it has always been for editorial and commercial images, but now there is a second commercial images category.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2022, 11:35 »
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Just wanted to see if anyone had any insight on this - there's a photo I recently submitted - let's say it's a photo of a flower. I submit it, along with about 30 other photos (mix of commercial and editorial). Only THIS photo gets reviewed immediately - and immediately gets swiftly rejected due to "noise" (uh huh....  ::) ) The other photos stay in the queue and are later reviewed.

I see the rejection and get irritated lol, so I re-submit the photo of the flower. Again, immediately rejected for noise. For kicks, I submit some more photos. Those photos sit in the queue as they should.

I try it a third time - again, immediately rejected.

Anyone know what's going on here? It's so weird. It's just this one particular photo.

Yes, AI makes the fast rejections, before the image gets to the next possible level. We don't know and there could be a second level of AI, or something that makes suggestions to human reviewers, so they can work faster, and make fast rejections.

Does the image pass anywhere else? Post the image here and get some answers when people can see the actual question. Otherwise we're just making generalized guesses. It's a flower. For all we know, the AI says, "It's another flower, just reject it for noise."

As far as I know and all the way back into the early years, clicking submitted before does nothing. Why should I tell them? Their image intake is easily hundreds of thousands a day. The cost of having someone look again at a rejected image, because it has a box checked, would be a constant recycling of the same images, which makes no sense. That's why they used to have a rule about not uploading the same images again, or there was a potential for the account to be locked. Now they just say, send it in again.

Suggestion, if the image is large, downsize to 6MP and upload again. Many of us have found that reducing an image to that, will suddenly make it not noisy or pixelated. The dumb AI will pass it.

Here's the complete rejection reason - Noise / Artifacts: Content contains noise, film grain, compression artifacts, pixelation, and/or posterization that detracts from the main subject.

Unless you get something special that just says NOISE, there are a number of reasons included in that.

« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2022, 12:43 »
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Just wanted to see if anyone had any insight on this - there's a photo I recently submitted - let's say it's a photo of a flower. I submit it, along with about 30 other photos (mix of commercial and editorial). Only THIS photo gets reviewed immediately - and immediately gets swiftly rejected due to "noise" (uh huh....  ::) ) The other photos stay in the queue and are later reviewed.

I see the rejection and get irritated lol, so I re-submit the photo of the flower. Again, immediately rejected for noise. For kicks, I submit some more photos. Those photos sit in the queue as they should.

I try it a third time - again, immediately rejected.

Anyone know what's going on here? It's so weird. It's just this one particular photo.

Yes, AI makes the fast rejections, before the image gets to the next possible level. We don't know and there could be a second level of AI, or something that makes suggestions to human reviewers, so they can work faster, and make fast rejections.

Does the image pass anywhere else? Post the image here and get some answers when people can see the actual question. Otherwise we're just making generalized guesses. It's a flower. For all we know, the AI says, "It's another flower, just reject it for noise."

As far as I know and all the way back into the early years, clicking submitted before does nothing. Why should I tell them? Their image intake is easily hundreds of thousands a day. The cost of having someone look again at a rejected image, because it has a box checked, would be a constant recycling of the same images, which makes no sense. That's why they used to have a rule about not uploading the same images again, or there was a potential for the account to be locked. Now they just say, send it in again.

Suggestion, if the image is large, downsize to 6MP and upload again. Many of us have found that reducing an image to that, will suddenly make it not noisy or pixelated. The dumb AI will pass it.

Here's the complete rejection reason - Noise / Artifacts: Content contains noise, film grain, compression artifacts, pixelation, and/or posterization that detracts from the main subject.

Unless you get something special that just says NOISE, there are a number of reasons included in that.

When I get a noise rejection, I usually just run it through the Denoise filter in Affinity and, seven times out of ten, that does the trick.

« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2022, 12:50 »
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on noise rejection, i upsize in ai giga, then reduce & it's usually accepted.  SS is anal about sky noise that others accept.  sometimes applying a mild blur to sky will be accepted

« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2022, 13:04 »
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Just wanted to see if anyone had any insight on this - there's a photo I recently submitted - let's say it's a photo of a flower. I submit it, along with about 30 other photos (mix of commercial and editorial). Only THIS photo gets reviewed immediately - and immediately gets swiftly rejected due to "noise" (uh huh....  ::) ) The other photos stay in the queue and are later reviewed.

I see the rejection and get irritated lol, so I re-submit the photo of the flower. Again, immediately rejected for noise. For kicks, I submit some more photos. Those photos sit in the queue as they should.

I try it a third time - again, immediately rejected.

Anyone know what's going on here? It's so weird. It's just this one particular photo.

This kind of review behavior started already a few months ago: My images now always get reviewed in 2 "batches". I can submit for example 10 images and 4 will be reviewed at one point, and the other 6 at another time. Some think that the faster review is an AI review, though I doubt that. An AI review would still not take hours. But maybe there is still an AI involved in the review, by pre-sorting the images for rerview and there are two different review teams. Maybe a standart one that gets the images where the AI can't auto-detect any problems with things like focus or noise and the ones where the AI fails to make an assessment go to a more experienced review team? This is of course all pure speculation. All I can say for sure is that commercial images submitted get devided into two different review processes now, like it has always been for editorial and commercial images, but now there is a second commercial images category.

I can confirm that it is an AI doing this.  When they first started the roll out, I had notifications that literally say "AI - Noise" or "AI - Exposure".  When I sent the screenshots of these denial reasons to a shutterstock expert, they said that AI review was part of a soft roll out that I've been so lucky (insert sarcasm here) to be a part of.  The only work around I've found so far is to submit as editorial.  They do get accepted as editorials, but it's ridiculous and frustrating.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2022, 09:48 »
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When I get a noise rejection, I usually just run it through the Denoise filter in Affinity and, seven times out of ten, that does the trick.

Thank You, I bought Affinity and don't use it, but there are some other features that looked like they could be useful. I don't have Dx0 or any of the others, and I've never used noise reduction, ever, in the past. But now I'm going to give it a try.

I didn't know that Affinity had that!  8) 

« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2022, 14:33 »
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"I notice there is a difference with rejections for me, compared to a few weeks ago. In my experience I have not gotten the instant rejections until now.  I had an image that had some light flares in it on a bike frame. I had intentionally enhanced the flares liking the effect.  It was rejected for noise. I resubmitted and it was rejected again for noise. I got rid of the flares in case they were the noise. Still rejected for noise. I reduced the size, ran it through noise software and always got the immediate noise rejection."

I'm not looking for a critique, just making a comment.  I uploaded 7 times, and got instant rejections. In the past, it was not instant unless the Qs were empty.  It doesn't seem to be getting a new look,  but just rejected for the same thing over and over.

I realize they have 80 gazillion images, but if a submitter is not able to ever correct an error or get another look.....
« Last Edit: September 18, 2022, 00:26 by beanstock »

« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2022, 19:14 »
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When I get a noise rejection, I usually just run it through the Denoise filter in Affinity and, seven times out of ten, that does the trick.

Thank You, I bought Affinity and don't use it, but there are some other features that looked like they could be useful. I don't have Dx0 or any of the others, and I've never used noise reduction, ever, in the past. But now I'm going to give it a try.

I didn't know that Affinity had that!  8) 

It's under the Filters tab, then "Noise". You can adjust the settings as how you want it to work.

« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2022, 07:18 »
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Actually, to prevent rejections, a good tip is to ADD noise to your photos (Gaussian 0.7).
Some tools (e.g. DXO) are too good at cleaning all noise and SS doesn't like it.
Moreover, other small imperfections (e.g. banding) can be masked with a bit of extra noise.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2022, 07:21 by Zero Talent »

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2022, 11:20 »
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Actually, to prevent rejections, a good tip is to ADD noise to your photos (Gaussian 0.7).
Some tools (e.g. DXO) are too good at cleaning all noise and SS doesn't like it.
Moreover, other small imperfections (e.g. banding) can be masked with a bit of extra noise.

I'm so confused now, in order to pass and not get rejected for "focus" I need to add blur?  :o

Seriously I used the setting Auto on the new FUJI W3 and I don't even know what ISO the camera decided was right. Didn't look. Just learning and getting to know the camera.

The f/stops are limited on that model, f/3.7 f/5 and f/8, which if I choose ISO 100, will be interesting? Tripod will be involved. Also that camera has an option of ISO (Auto 400) which means the highest it will use is 400. The lowest setting is (Auto 200) if I don't go to fixed 100 ISO, which one of the settings I now have that as the default. Fine, I can do that.

Shutter speeds are different on Manual (if I should want to go to that) than they are on Night. Normally 1/4 to 1/1000, on a tripod night 3 seconds is the longest available shutter speed.

Toy Camera but it should be fun to make 3D images with a two lens camera.

« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2022, 08:48 »
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Is anyone else having trouble getting horizontal and vertical versions of same subject approved? Many of my vertical images have been rejected for similar content lately.

« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2022, 10:35 »
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Is anyone else having trouble getting horizontal and vertical versions of same subject approved? Many of my vertical images have been rejected for similar content lately.

No, but what exactly are you trying to submit? It's not allowed to submit the same image as both vertical or horizontal image. (https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Why-was-my-content-rejected-for-Similar-Content?language=en_US [nofollow])  If you want to have them approved you have to re-arrange the scene, change the angle, etc. on both vertical and horizontal shoot and best not submit them at the same time. That usually works for me, but just shooting the same scene vertically and horizontally is not allowed on Shutterstock. Though I remember there was a time when they suggested doing exactly that in some of their older blog posts.  🤷

« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2022, 13:04 »
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Is anyone else having trouble getting horizontal and vertical versions of same subject approved? Many of my vertical images have been rejected for similar content lately.

No, but what exactly are you trying to submit? It's not allowed to submit the same image as both vertical or horizontal image. (https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Why-was-my-content-rejected-for-Similar-Content?language=en_US [nofollow])  If you want to have them approved you have to re-arrange the scene, change the angle, etc. on both vertical and horizontal shoot and best not submit them at the same time. That usually works for me, but just shooting the same scene vertically and horizontally is not allowed on Shutterstock. Though I remember there was a time when they suggested doing exactly that in some of their older blog posts.  🤷

I think it's even adviced by some stock agencies to provide both horizontal and vertical image of same subject to offer options to byer, as long as it is two different exposures and not just cropped version of the same image.
Usually both versions are accepted, but now couple of those vertical versions keep getting rejected even if I resubmit them.

Actually if you scroll down the page in the link you provided there's:

Exceptions
* For photos and footage, 1 horizontal and 1 vertical orientation of the same unmoved subject is allowed.


 

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