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SS: What is the final goal of the protest?
cascoly:
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I'm also concerned that, with easy price comparison through Google, I am cannabilizing my better-paying sales working with SS. Last month I made $19 on a sale on 20twenty. The same image would have netted me $.10 on SS. Takes a lot of sales to make up that difference in RPD, and the volume wasn't there for me on SS to make it worthwhile to stay.
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a frequent claim w little to back it up - first, how many buyers spend time analyzing google for lowest price - esp'ly when the difference is minor?
how many people have subs at multiple sites?
finally, there's no indication that one site cannabilizes another and more (admittedly anecdotal) evidence that different images sell on each site.
i buy & sell (non-photo) on ebay & amazon - based on my sales i can see that people don't compare prices - even on the same site, people don't look - else why would they pay $25 for a comic that's also listed at $10?
Uncle Pete:
--- Quote from: cascoly on September 14, 2020, 17:31 ---
--- Quote from: CJH Photography on September 13, 2020, 10:31 ---
I'm also concerned that, with easy price comparison through Google, I am cannabilizing my better-paying sales working with SS. Last month I made $19 on a sale on 20twenty. The same image would have netted me $.10 on SS. Takes a lot of sales to make up that difference in RPD, and the volume wasn't there for me on SS to make it worthwhile to stay.
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a frequent claim w little to back it up - first, how many buyers spend time analyzing google for lowest price - esp'ly when the difference is minor?
how many people have subs at multiple sites?
finally, there's no indication that one site cannabilizes another and more (admittedly anecdotal) evidence that different images sell on each site.
i buy & sell (non-photo) on ebay & amazon - based on my sales i can see that people don't compare prices - even on the same site, people don't look - else why would they pay $25 for a comic that's also listed at $10?
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Because your ad for that comic book is better written or has better photos? :)
I've never been able to find any evidence that price alone makes someone buy an image over another, or at a different site. We'd also need to assume that people who have an account at one site, actually care to price check at the rest. I'm not going to spend the time, when the prices between any agency, especially a sub plan, are pennies. I have some images that are on Alamy, full size and nowhere else, But a 5MP version is on SS. Does that matter?
However, I'm not going to compete with myself and sell on the cheap sites, just out of not wishing to contribute to price cutting and terrible bottom feeder sites. I don't see any buyers caring about that very much either. If it's not mine, they will find something that fits, wherever they look.
I really don't think there are many buyers, who are looking for images, by the artist. Maybe sometimes, some buyer finds an image and wants more like that. Fine, but most buyers, search for content and the look they want. They use the site they are familiar with and have an account. I still won't compete with myself by enabling the parasite agencies to sell my work for the lowest price. I won't feed the useless agencies that offer nothing different, other than price.
The last 1 cent download from iStock convinced me I was right to stop uploading there, almost two years ago. 8) How much does it hurt me to not get 1 or 2 cent downloads from Getty?
My same best selling ten images, sell best on every site they have been on. But true, different images, types and styles, do sell on different sites as well. I don't think the buyers care if they can't find those images on:
Canva
PhotoCase
Envato
EyeEm
Canstockphoto
Pixta
Indivstock
VectorStock
MostPhotos
MotionElements
ClipDealer
Zoonar
SignElements
ColourBox
FeaturePics
ScanStockPhoto
PantherMedia
500px
YayImages
Crestock
storyblocks
Cutcaster
Stockfresh
SuperImageMarket
ImageVortex
Clipcanvas
GLStock
PressFoto
Dissolve
DrawShop
PicFair
I know I don't care if I miss those sales.
PaulieWalnuts:
--- Quote from: cascoly on September 14, 2020, 17:31 ---
--- Quote from: CJH Photography on September 13, 2020, 10:31 ---
I'm also concerned that, with easy price comparison through Google, I am cannabilizing my better-paying sales working with SS. Last month I made $19 on a sale on 20twenty. The same image would have netted me $.10 on SS. Takes a lot of sales to make up that difference in RPD, and the volume wasn't there for me on SS to make it worthwhile to stay.
--- End quote ---
a frequent claim w little to back it up - first, how many buyers spend time analyzing google for lowest price - esp'ly when the difference is minor?
how many people have subs at multiple sites?
finally, there's no indication that one site cannabilizes another and more (admittedly anecdotal) evidence that different images sell on each site.
i buy & sell (non-photo) on ebay & amazon - based on my sales i can see that people don't compare prices - even on the same site, people don't look - else why would they pay $25 for a comic that's also listed at $10?
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Buyers absolutely do compare prices. This is the main reason I dropped being exclusive at iStock years ago and removed most of my portfolio. I had buyers contacting me through my personal website asking for pricing for their client projects where their budgets were hundreds or thousands of dollars. Because of exclusivity I had to point them to my iStock portfolio where they'd save a ton of money and I'd lose a ton of money. So I dropped the crown but left my portfolio there.
Then buyers would contact me and I'd give them a quote. More than a few times they responded "what's the difference between your quote and the pricing for the same images on iStock that are way less". Answer was, there was no difference. So I pulled most of my portfolio so I was no longer competing against myself and I could set whatever pricing I could get.
Keep in mind many of these buyers are at large companies and are sourcing dozens or hundreds of images for large client projects. Clients always balk at pricing forcing the company to look for cheaper options by comparison shopping. Just because they only buy one image from you doesn't mean they aren't spending a ton of money on a bunch of images.
wds:
--- Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on September 15, 2020, 16:58 ---
--- Quote from: cascoly on September 14, 2020, 17:31 ---
--- Quote from: CJH Photography on September 13, 2020, 10:31 ---
I'm also concerned that, with easy price comparison through Google, I am cannabilizing my better-paying sales working with SS. Last month I made $19 on a sale on 20twenty. The same image would have netted me $.10 on SS. Takes a lot of sales to make up that difference in RPD, and the volume wasn't there for me on SS to make it worthwhile to stay.
--- End quote ---
a frequent claim w little to back it up - first, how many buyers spend time analyzing google for lowest price - esp'ly when the difference is minor?
how many people have subs at multiple sites?
finally, there's no indication that one site cannabilizes another and more (admittedly anecdotal) evidence that different images sell on each site.
i buy & sell (non-photo) on ebay & amazon - based on my sales i can see that people don't compare prices - even on the same site, people don't look - else why would they pay $25 for a comic that's also listed at $10?
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Buyers absolutely do compare prices. This is the main reason I dropped being exclusive at iStock years ago and removed most of my portfolio. I had buyers contacting me through my personal website asking for pricing for their client projects where their budgets were hundreds or thousands of dollars. Because of exclusivity I had to point them to my iStock portfolio where they'd save a ton of money and I'd lose a ton of money. So I dropped the crown but left my portfolio there.
Then buyers would contact me and I'd give them a quote. More than a few times they responded "what's the difference between your quote and the pricing for the same images on iStock that are way less". Answer was, there was no difference. So I pulled most of my portfolio so I was no longer competing against myself and I could set whatever pricing I could get.
Keep in mind many of these buyers are at large companies and are sourcing dozens or hundreds of images for large client projects. Clients always balk at pricing forcing the company to look for cheaper options by comparison shopping. Just because they only buy one image from you doesn't mean they aren't spending a ton of money on a bunch of images.
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Why did you ever sell on micro's in the first place?
cascoly:
--- Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on September 15, 2020, 16:58 ---
Buyers absolutely do compare prices. This is the main reason I dropped being exclusive at iStock years ago and removed most of my portfolio. I had buyers contacting me through my personal website asking for pricing for their client projects where their budgets were hundreds or thousands of dollars....
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ok, when you're thinking of paying $$$ for an image it's worth your while to shop around. but i meant the larger audience who only know MS agencies (or have subs) where there's no incentive to look
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