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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2010, 10:43 »
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A business cards and an icon set are completely different things. The latter has the word 'set' after it and that should give you a clue as to where I'm coming from.


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« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2010, 11:06 »
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I don't have sets of business cards on SS, but I can see where helix7 is coming from. More than likely a buyer would buy a set of these cards rather than individual cards. It doesn't take a whole lot of work to create them either. I don't think these sets are taking money out of the other contributors pockets either. I think if the buyer sees a design he likes in a set he'll buy it rather it was a single design or multiple. It still adds up to one sale and if the contributor is happy with that then so be it.

« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2010, 12:17 »
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I'm not worried whether it's one business card, eight business cards or thirty-two business cards; I'm worried that it's business cards.

Selling business cards under the microstock model is as dumb as selling ready-made, made-to-measure suits by mail order.

helix7

« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2010, 13:20 »
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I'm not worried whether it's one business card, eight business cards or thirty-two business cards; I'm worried that it's business cards.

Selling business cards under the microstock model is as dumb as selling ready-made, made-to-measure suits by mail order.

How is selling ready-made business cards any worse than selling ready-made photos or illustrations? Sure a custom-designed business card is always ideal, but so is a custom-made illustration or photo. Microstock fulfills the need to get these things cheaper, so ready-made and royalty-free is the way this all works.

It may be dumb to you, but these images don't take much time to make and they sell. It may seem ridiculous that they sell, but for whatever reason, they do. Should I care that they completely miss the mark in terms of design utility for many of the people who download them? Maybe. But it's not my job to care. I have to create images that sell, specifically images that don't take very long to make and will generate a few hundred dollars per year for me, and these business cards satisfy those requirements.

« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2010, 13:46 »
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Should I care that they completely miss the mark in terms of design utility for many of the people who download them? Maybe. But it's not my job to care.

I wish you the very best of luck with your future endeavours.

helix7

« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2010, 14:05 »
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I wish you the very best of luck with your future endeavours.

I'm still hoping you might care to explain to me how you figure that selling business card templates (even single business card templates) is any worse for the microstock business than selling photographs.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 14:08 by helix7 »

lisafx

« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2010, 14:22 »
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Maybe I was misinterpreting the original post.  I assumed that microbius' complaint wasn't just about business card sets (although that's what was linked).  

My comments were directed more generally at the trend I see on ALL the sites for people to combine many images into one.  These include food shots, objects on white, portrait sets, etc.  I have seen many of these collages on DT, Istock, and Fotolia, as well as SS.  

As jbarber873 pointed out, Dreamstime has even suggested to contributors that they put similar images into collages instead of uploading them individually.  

As I said above, I would ONLY consider doing that with series that are old and have stopped bringing in sales individually. IMHO, it would be career suicide to do it with new series that haven't had the opportunity to sell on their own and recover the expenses from the shoot.  

« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2010, 14:28 »
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This is terrible and it absolutely devalues the creative industry. Designers, illustrators, photographers are all artists. I cant see how much cheaper you can whore your (mediocre) talents out for. I dont even agree to the SS subscription model and seeing this makes me angry.  Never mind that the samples shown are quick simple to make designs thats probably ripped off from somewhere else online. What it does is to increase general perception that creativity isnt worth much. The untrained eye which is the general public cant tell the difference between a good business card and a great business card. Same thing goes for a logo.. its branding.. its thought... creativity... now packaged up in 32 pieces for a couple of cents...

Who buys all this anyway??? people who will sell it somewhere else

end rant...

jbarber873

« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2010, 16:26 »
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I wish you the very best of luck with your future endeavours.

I'm still hoping you might care to explain to me how you figure that selling business card templates (even single business card templates) is any worse for the microstock business than selling photographs.

    Most of my designer clients are perfectly happy to buy stock instead of commissioning a shoot when they can get something they can work with ( read: fix or manipulate in photoshop). When photoshop came out, you didn't have to have the skills that film photographers spent years learning, you just needed to put a filter here, or clone that. Well, the same thing goes for Illustrator or Indesign. If you want to be a designer, you can skip the art school and just buy the program. What- it's not the same? Designers have the taste and sensitivity to choose the right font, make the ruled line just the right size and color? Sorry, MarkFGD. Live by the sword, die by the sword. ALL creative work comes out of a box now. Put away those markers, throw away your pica ruler- you'll never smell rubber cement again! Just like I'll never touch fixer, or load a sheet of film in the dark. You have to deal with now, not then.

Microbius

« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2010, 16:41 »
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Maybe I was misinterpreting the original post.  I assumed that microbius' complaint wasn't just about business card sets (although that's what was linked).  

My comments were directed more generally at the trend I see on ALL the sites for people to combine many images into one.  These include food shots, objects on white, portrait sets, etc.  I have seen many of these collages on DT, Istock, and Fotolia, as well as SS. 

No not a misinterpretation, spot on. That is what I was referring to.
All the examples I used happened to be business cards because I clicked on one then the similars came up at the bottom of the page.

It is a lot worse on Shutterstock, because they want to minimise the number of downloads a buyer uses.
Sites that make most of their income on PPD will want the buyer to make more purchases.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 16:45 by Microbius »

lisafx

« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2010, 17:09 »
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It is a lot worse on Shutterstock, because they want to minimise the number of downloads a buyer uses.
Sites that make most of their income on PPD will want the buyer to make more purchases.

Makes sense^^

And thanks for the clarification.  :)

« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2010, 00:44 »
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I wonder how many hours there is in those images, and what are the returns... sigh
How many hours on an image that never sells?  How many of us have portfolios with lots and lots of submissions that never sell once?  Were they a waste of time and effort?

The sad fact is that this industry is all about individual artists... Almost nobody makes any 'business decision' based on what's best for everyone.  Otherwise iStock couldn't get away with what they are doing... And no agency would have a sustainable subscription model, because artists would have quit them the instant their subscriptions programs started.  The fact is, artists are doing whatever they feel is necessary to sell their images.  Very few (if any) are taking other artists into account in their decisions.

The whole industry is going to crap and we (myself included) are all whining about it, but we're still contributing and still following trends that sell, even if it's another trend that makes things worse for artists as a group.  All we can do is vent in threads like this one and move on...

« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2010, 01:08 »
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oh man you'r a dumb little prick.
Molka, while I agree with most of the comments you've made on this page, I feel compelled to pull you up on that one. FD makes some very sharp observations in these forums and has a very healthy sense of humour too.
Ah that's the one that Tyler removed. I heard worse.  ;)
Of course Molka had 100$ sales on Flickr, I take his word for it. His portfolio is all over so we can check it all for ourselves.  ;D

« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2010, 02:32 »
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It seems that some people actually enjoy degrading their work. Those guys could upload those cards to printbusinesscards.com and really earn some nice money. Minimum sale for 1 card there is $5, and with only 40-something cards I had several sales. One of the sales was for $25.

« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2010, 04:26 »
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....and it's becoming the standard there now. How long do you think there will be an advantage to stuffing files when everyone does it. You'll be making that $60 for $500 dollars work.

Untill the day comes where it doesn't pay off for the individual contributor anymore. It's pretty self-regulating I guess.
The business cards is just as much a trend imo as the wave of colorful abstract images that flooded SS just recently, there were close on 20 of these images in the top 50 at one time, then it levelled off as people went to discover new gold veins in microstock.

Just as helix, I believe buyers are intelligent enough to tell crap apart from quality. And if they aren't, then what's wrong with competing on quantity? We have to give the buyers what they want, right? If they want quantity, they'll get quantity.

« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2010, 04:33 »
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Would you rather have three sets that sell for $60 in total in a year, or would you rather have $500 in a year by putting them in one?
That's how the SS machine works. If you get a lot of downloads within the first week, your image shows up among the most popular and that's critical for its longevity.
You don't have to put 100 business cards in a set, but if you want to compete with the rest of the industry it's a good idea to do so

And I just found large sets at Fotolia and BigStock as well.

Hi Thomas, Think your statement through. What is a business card? What does it do? Who is likely to need one? How many do they need? Would you want your business card to be the same as someone else's? Who are likely to be the biggest buyers of microstock? How will they react to seeing these files at this price point?

No, I wouldn't want my business cards to be the same as someone else's. If others can accept that, they can go to Shutterstock and buy a collection for pennies, while being aware that it's a non-exclusive collection. Otherwise, they'll have to pay for a custom design. What's the problem?
How will they react to seeing these files at this price point ? I don't know, what is your point? Will they explode? Close their accounts and blog about it? I don't know, do you have a theory ?  ???


 

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