Author Topic: Very low video sales (Read 30543 times)

komikmiha · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2021, 11:13 »

Quote from: gnirtS on February 12, 2021, 09:53

Meanwhile for many of us, P5 although it pays a lot more sells far fewer videos than AS or SS.

Looking at last year, SS video made me roughly 5x what P5 did for the same video clips.
Every single month P5 yields many hundreds of dollars less income than the same content did on SS due to the bigger volume.

This year so far SS is a little below P5 but AS is 3x that.

Im not going to stop uploading to SS and lost potentially 5x the money that P5 brings in for the same thing.

If that equation changes (and last month hinted it might) then i'll reconsider but it seems somewhat stupid to give up a large chunk of income, based entirely on principle with no means of recouping it elsewhere.

I always live by the principle. No one will sell my videos for dollars. I will never by part of robbery called SS. Period.

gnirtS · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2021, 12:39 »

I cant pay the rent with "principles".
Im not going to deliberately make myself significantly poorer when my actions will have absolutely no effect on the other party at all.

komikmiha · « **Reply #27 on:** February 12, 2021, 15:11 »

I can't pay the rent with pennies.

gnirtS · « **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2021, 06:35 »

Quote from: komikmiha on February 12, 2021, 15:11

I can't pay the rent with pennies.

You do realise its possible to earn more than pennies? Or lots of pennies? Even with SS (up to now at least).

Struggling to see why i should deliberately make myself hundreds or thousands of dollars a month worse off, in the middle of a pandemic with no day-job work just on "principle". How is that in any way sensible?

komikmiha · « **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2021, 07:39 »

Quote from: gnirtS on February 13, 2021, 06:35

Quote from: komikmiha on February 12, 2021, 15:11
I can't pay the rent with pennies.

You do realise its possible to earn more than pennies? Or lots of pennies? Even with SS (up to now at least).

Struggling to see why i should deliberately make myself hundreds or thousands of dollars a month worse off, in the middle of a pandemic with no day-job work just on "principle". How is that in any way sensible?

Do what you wanna do. I'm long enough in business and I do know that without principles my business would not survive. So, you can sell your work for pennies, it's your choice. Today I receive another mail from P5. Video clip sold for 107$. How much is it on SS? LOL. It is you killing this business, not SS.

gnirtS · « **Reply #30 on:** February 13, 2021, 08:50 »

And most of us know that randomly turning town a large chunk of money per month for no tangible gain at all helps nobody.
You keep harping on about P5 - great. Most of us use them.
But the fact is they pay more but for most people sell a lot less. Suddenly stopping SS isnt going to make P5 sell 5x as many clips a month which is what would be needed.

komikmiha · « **Reply #31 on:** February 13, 2021, 09:24 »

It's so funny to read this epic "Oda to SS".

It's not only P5 that makes great job, it's also Adobe. Not a single photo under 0,33€ (0,40$) was sold. Ever. And P5 sells more as I opt out all my content on SS. That is THE logic. Yes, suddenly stopping SS is going to make others sell 5x. You just didn't realize that yet. Anyway, do whatever the f**k you wanna do and I wish you all the best with SS.

gnirtS · « **Reply #32 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:31 »

You're deluded if "not being on SS" suddenly makes other media say 5x better. Simply isn't the case for anyone at all.

AS pulls in huge amounts more for the same video for me in terms of revenue than P5. You think if i pull the stuff off AS P5s little sales will rocket?!

P5 "exclusive" gives you a bigger slicer of the cake. It doesn't change search rankings or number of sales.

komikmiha · « **Reply #33 on:** February 20, 2021, 14:21 »

Quote from: gnirtS on February 15, 2021, 08:31

You're deluded if "not being on SS" suddenly makes other media say 5x better. Simply isn't the case for anyone at all.

AS pulls in huge amounts more for the same video for me in terms of revenue than P5. You think if i pull the stuff off AS P5s little sales will rocket?!

P5 "exclusive" gives you a bigger slicer of the cake. It doesn't change search rankings or number of sales.

You're deluded staying at SS. Happy 1$ clip sales man!

P.S.

I've sold 9 clips on P5 this week, not a single one under 35$. Thug life, right.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #34 on:** February 20, 2021, 17:57 »

Quote from: komikmiha on February 20, 2021, 14:21

Quote from: gnirtS on February 15, 2021, 08:31
You're deluded if "not being on SS" suddenly makes other media say 5x better. Simply isn't the case for anyone at all.

AS pulls in huge amounts more for the same video for me in terms of revenue than P5. You think if i pull the stuff off AS P5s little sales will rocket?!

P5 "exclusive" gives you a bigger slicer of the cake. It doesn't change search rankings or number of sales.

You're deluded staying at SS. Happy 1$ clip sales man!

P.S.

I've sold 9 clips on P5 this week, not a single one under 35$. Thug life, right.

I'm pretty sure that $1 sales from SS combined with $35+ sales from P5... add up to more than just $35+ sales from P5. By an increase of roughly $1 if my maths is correct. But hey... happy 0$ clip sales at SS man!

komikmiha · « **Reply #35 on:** February 21, 2021, 03:13 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 20, 2021, 17:57

Quote from: komikmiha on February 20, 2021, 14:21
Quote from: gnirtS on February 15, 2021, 08:31
You're deluded if "not being on SS" suddenly makes other media say 5x better. Simply isn't the case for anyone at all.

AS pulls in huge amounts more for the same video for me in terms of revenue than P5. You think if i pull the stuff off AS P5s little sales will rocket?!

P5 "exclusive" gives you a bigger slicer of the cake. It doesn't change search rankings or number of sales.

You're deluded staying at SS. Happy 1$ clip sales man!

P.S.

I've sold 9 clips on P5 this week, not a single one under 35$. Thug life, right.

I'm pretty sure that $1 sales from SS combined with $35+ sales from P5... add up to more than just $35+ sales from P5. By an increase of roughly $1 if my maths is correct. But hey... happy 0$ clip sales at SS man!

Troll, your math is correct if you sold 495 1$ clips at the same time as I do 9. Thank you, I'm glad I kept the principle and the money. Oh, did I mentioned AD? They do great job as well. This week 16 clips, avg 34$. Do the math. Happy 1$ sales till it last!

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #36 on:** February 21, 2021, 14:23 »

You're missing the point. You may be selling 100 clips a month at Adobe, or 50 clips at Pond5, or $500 at iStock, or $75 per download at 123RF... but my point is... if you make $0.01 at SS per month, then you make more contributing to SS than if you don't.

Principles don't pay the bills. And while you can dispute that until the cows come home by saying 'my principles made me X dollars last month'... my principles made me X dollars last month... plus my SS earnings on top.

gnirtS · « **Reply #37 on:** February 21, 2021, 19:57 »

I really cant see the point of this.
Using example figures,

If i make $300 a month from AS and $150 a month from P5 but also $600 a month from SS, if i stop submitting to SS on "principle" i'll still be making $300 from AS, $150 from P5 but $0 from SS.

So im $600 down with no tangible benefit at all.

I've seen nothing to suggest stopping SS boosts sales elsewhere.

komikmiha · « **Reply #38 on:** February 22, 2021, 12:27 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 21, 2021, 14:23

You're missing the point. You may be selling 100 clips a month at Adobe, or 50 clips at Pond5, or $500 at iStock, or $75 per download at 123RF... but my point is... if you make $0.01 at SS per month, then you make more contributing to SS than if you don't.

Principles don't pay the bills. And while you can dispute that until the cows come home by saying 'my principles made me X dollars last month'... my principles made me X dollars last month... plus my SS earnings on top.

544$ on AD means 544 clips on SS for same amount. Which is almost impossible. Your math sucks man.

Another thing is that P5 sell for same price same clip if available somewhere else. Which means 1$. Yes, principles makes my money.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #39 on:** February 22, 2021, 13:26 »

If you still had content on SS then you would be making more money than you are currently... even if only one dollar more. Do you have any evidence to dispute that?

Quote from: komikmiha on February 22, 2021, 12:27

Another thing is that P5 sell for same price same clip if available somewhere else. Which means 1$.

They do do that for some site, but not SS. And even if they did, it would be $25 for HD and $50 for 4K... not $1. Kind of makes it hard to trust what you're saying when you don't even know the pricing minimums that P5 use.

everest · « **Reply #40 on:** February 22, 2021, 16:36 »

Remember that in stock 1+1 is not always 2 as you point out. If you sell files at P5 and get a sale were you earn 40$ net that sale might have happen is you have the same file at SS. Buyers are very price conscious nowadays. All the corporate crap those business talk about the price does not matter to customers and its the experience at their site is bs and the main reason they keep competing on price.

There are not so many options on the video front and buyers can search in 5 minutes at the gig 4 and locate the file if it is there. Now if they subscribe at shutter you get your 1$ and loose 39. Not a winning proposition under my point of view.

Sure not every buyer does that but if only 1 in every 5 does that your stategy to be everywhere even if the practically give your videos for free is failing. it is ok when all the prices are at the same ballpark. Now they are not. Istock and SS pay nearly nothing almost most of the time for video content.

Everybody has to pick up their battlefield wisely.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 21, 2021, 14:23

You're missing the point. You may be selling 100 clips a month at Adobe, or 50 clips at Pond5, or $500 at iStock, or $75 per download at 123RF... but my point is... if you make $0.01 at SS per month, then you make more contributing to SS than if you don't.

Principles don't pay the bills. And while you can dispute that until the cows come home by saying 'my principles made me X dollars last month'... my principles made me X dollars last month... plus my SS earnings on top.

Visualab · « **Reply #41 on:** February 22, 2021, 18:31 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 21, 2021, 14:23

but my point is... if you make $0.01 at SS per month, then you make more contributing to SS than if you don't.

yes,you're right but it happens that to make that 0,01$ sale on ss you lose that sale somewhere else where you get let's say 20$...so 0,01$ - 20$= -19,99$....to me it's not a great deal...btw i'm not saying ss is the evil,istock and unlimited subscription sites are much worse...

kall3bu · « **Reply #42 on:** February 23, 2021, 04:59 »

Everest, you are totally right with saying this:
#There are not so many options on the video front and buyers can search in 5 minutes at the gig 4 and locate the file if it is there. Now if they subscribe at shutter you get your 1$ and loose 39. Not a winning proposition under my point of view.#
AND!: #Buyers are very price conscious nowadays.#

I asked Pond5 for some information about different things and ONE they always repeat telling me - advised me: ´Have in mind, buyers looking around to try cheaper files.´
Not like other agencies like Alamy or other contributor say, that buyers are to lazy to look around. That might were right in the past, but NOWADAYS for sure much more have to look for cheaper files.

The advice from Everest is only good as long our videos (images) have not many competition on SS. If there are to many competition, then it might be no matter where to upload. But as more not uploading good files to SS as more benefit.

H2O · « **Reply #43 on:** February 23, 2021, 09:58 »

Quote from: gnirtS on February 12, 2021, 09:53

Meanwhile for many of us, P5 although it pays a lot more sells far fewer videos than AS or SS.

Looking at last year, SS video made me roughly 5x what P5 did for the same video clips.
Every single month P5 yields many hundreds of dollars less income than th are e same content did on SS due to the bigger volume.

This year so far SS is a little below P5 but AS is 3x that.

Im not going to stop uploading to SS and lost potentially 5x the money that P5 brings in for the same thing.

If that equation changes (and last month hinted it might) then i'll reconsider but it seems somewhat stupid to give up a large chunk of income, based entirely on principle with no means of recouping it elsewhere.

This may seem like a good idea, in reality it is just short term thinking, SS are finished, it is just a matter of time, if you want to be undervalued and basically compete against yourself then carry on, but you are unfortunately wasting your time, and I mean this literally.

If you stop uploading your sales will gradually decrease, this is the way forward and out of the clutches of SS.

Andri · « **Reply #44 on:** February 23, 2021, 14:21 »

As far as I know many buyers look arond where they can get cheaper. And if they can buy you video for $1, of course they will. But when they need some content and can't get cheaper, they will buy it. So you can undercut your sales. That's why I upload new content on POND5 Exclusive and I see benefits from it.

blvdone · « **Reply #45 on:** February 23, 2021, 14:23 »

Just unlicensed my video and photo portfolio on Shutterstock (again). Moved all my editorials to Pond5 exclusive account to get 60% royalty, not $3 on 4k video sale on Shutterstock video sub. I don't know if it's a coincidence, but already having the best sales day of February on Adobe Stock today. It's likely to become the best sales day of the year on Adobe Stock at this pace. Feeling good. You can always turn your portfolio back on after a month on Shutterstock to see what happens and if it's worth it.

Clair Voyant · « **Reply #46 on:** February 23, 2021, 14:43 »

Quote from: blvdone on February 23, 2021, 14:23

Just unlicensed my video and photo portfolio on Shutterstock (again). Moved all my editorials to Pond5 exclusive account to get 60% royalty, not $3 on 4k video sale on Shutterstock video sub. I don't know if it's a coincidence, but already having the best sales day of February on Adobe Stock today. It's likely to become the best sales day of the year on Adobe Stock at this pace. Feeling good. You can always turn your portfolio back on after a month on Shutterstock to see what happens and if it's worth it.

on again off again... why? if you are that unsure of yourself then keep the images and videos on Shutterstock so you can feel the burn each and every time you make a sale that does not even cover the costs to power your computer to see if you made a sale or close your account and be thankful you don't support an operation like Shutterstock.

komikmiha · « **Reply #47 on:** February 23, 2021, 14:48 »

Quote from: Andri on February 23, 2021, 14:21

As far as I know many buyers look arond where they can get cheaper. And if they can buy you video for $1, of course they will. But when they need some content and can't get cheaper, they will buy it. So you can undercut your sales. That's why I upload new content on POND5 Exclusive and I see benefits from it.

Me too. Never looked back at SS since I opted out. So far I made the correct choice. But some people just can't handle the truth and their math sucks.

blvdone · « **Reply #48 on:** February 23, 2021, 14:53 »

Quote from: Clair Voyant on February 23, 2021, 14:43

Quote from: blvdone on February 23, 2021, 14:23
Just unlicensed my video and photo portfolio on Shutterstock (again). Moved all my editorials to Pond5 exclusive account to get 60% royalty, not $3 on 4k video sale on Shutterstock video sub. I don't know if it's a coincidence, but already having the best sales day of February on Adobe Stock today. It's likely to become the best sales day of the year on Adobe Stock at this pace. Feeling good. You can always turn your portfolio back on after a month on Shutterstock to see what happens and if it's worth it.

on again off again... why? if you are that unsure of yourself then keep the images and videos on Shutterstock so you can feel the burn each and every time you make a sale that does not even cover the costs to power your computer to see if you made a sale or close your account and be thankful you don't support an operation like Shutterstock.

I'm free to do whatever I want to do. And just in case Shutterstock change their way back to it was before, it's unwise to delete contents and close account. I have 15,000 video clips and 6,000 photos. It's stupid to upload and tag all over again just in case Shutterstock changes back to how they were.

komikmiha · « **Reply #49 on:** February 23, 2021, 14:58 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 22, 2021, 13:26

If you still had content on SS then you would be making more money than you are currently... even if only one dollar more. Do you have any evidence to dispute that?

Quote from: komikmiha on February 22, 2021, 12:27
Another thing is that P5 sell for same price same clip if available somewhere else. Which means 1$.

They do do that for some site, but not SS. And even if they did, it would be $25 for HD and $50 for 4K... not $1. Kind of makes it hard to trust what you're saying when you don't even know the pricing minimums that P5 use.

Pond5 has a system in place where if a client sees the same identical clip for a lower price elsewhere, P5 will equalize that price. Meaning if you have clips on both SS and P5, and someone sees that on P5 they can ask for the same pricing which is a massive discount.

So a clip worth 35 bucks on P5 suddently becomes worth $1. There was a lot said on this topic already btw.

However that also means that you're throwing random accusations without having any solid information which makes it hard to trust you

but hey if you like selling for peanuts and bringing peanuts to the table, I can't stop you mate, but I can only wish you well.

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