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Author Topic: Warnings in SS... have you received?(like Slovenian user) do you resubmit?  (Read 4200 times)

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« on: October 02, 2011, 08:26 »
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Just wanted to bring up this topic after reading the contributor who was banned... reading some posts here in these forums, I read that user Slovenian had also a warning, and I wonders are... how does this work? do you believe that all users who resubmit their rejections get warnings? do you remove rejected files from your SS account? do you wait some months to resubmit. No intention to create arguments, just bring up this matter into an independant forum to see people's opinion.


ShadySue

« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2011, 08:34 »
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Just wanted to bring up this topic after reading the contributor who was banned... reading some posts here in these forums, I read that user Slovenian had also a warning, and I wonders are... how does this work? do you believe that all users who resubmit their rejections get warnings? do you remove rejected files from your SS account? do you wait some months to resubmit. No intention to create arguments, just bring up this matter into an independant forum to see people's opinion.
I'm not in SS so have no axe to grind, but I'm not sure everyone, except the totally anonymous, are going to post this info on an open forum.

« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2011, 10:47 »
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I'm a big scardey cat so just play by the rules.... re-submission is fine as long as you state it at the time...

Wim

« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2011, 11:31 »
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Excuse me for being a complete retard but how/where do I add a note?

Thx lads

« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2011, 11:34 »
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Excuse me for being a complete retard but how/where do I add a note?

Thx lads

there is a "box" at the end when you are submitting

Wim

« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2011, 11:45 »
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lol, doh, thx m8

Hey, I've been following you to see if it's still possible to make a living from this and you seem to be going in the right direction. I'm only 6 months in so still have a long way to go.
I still envy those who were in it from the start.

Thx again and take care

CCK

« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2011, 11:57 »
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The SS rule is that if you resubmit, you must bring it to the reviewer's attention. However I have resubmitted on a number of occasions without such a note. I only do it when I'm convinced that the reviewer was wrong, and with few exceptions the files were accepted on resubmission. Last week I submitted a photo that was admitted by iStock and Dreamstime, but rejected by SS for "out of focus". I rechecked and focus is spot on, so I plan to resubmit that photo sometime in future. Ive never received a warning.

« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2011, 12:09 »
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I received warning once, then I sent them explanation why I was doing that and after that I haven't problems with warnings..

« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2011, 12:20 »
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lol, doh, thx m8

Hey, I've been following you to see if it's still possible to make a living from this and you seem to be going in the right direction. I'm only 6 months in so still have a long way to go.
I still envy those who were in it from the start.

Thx again and take care

thanks, plenty of stuff to do, wish you luck and work too :)

Slovenian

« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2011, 12:24 »
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I've received 2 warnings and never resubmitted after that. Anyone doing that after reading the thread regarding the ban must be insane (those that are resubmitting with a note with 100% certainty that their photo is technically acceptable are of course excluded)

« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2011, 12:33 »
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I very rarely resubmit and only when I feel very strongly that the images have great content and technical quality.

I am surprised that he/she was banned, people on SS talk regularly about resubmitting images and some of the more outspoken personalities on the forms have been doing it for years without adding a note.

The reviews among submitters is non consistent, therefore I guess we should not be surprised that some are penalized for resubmitting and others do it regularly with no consequence.

However that said I wonder just how often this submitter resubmitted as well the quality of the image files he regularly resubmitted. If they were high quality files rejected unfairly then it adds more fire to SS strong tendency toward inconsistent reviews.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2011, 12:40 by gbalex »

Slovenian

« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2011, 14:47 »
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Believe me, they'd never delete a great port, that's bringing them thousands of dollars monthly ;)

Microbius

« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 00:20 »
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Believe me, they'd never delete a great port, that's bringing them thousands of dollars monthly ;)
That's the thing with SS though, as they make their money mainly from subs it's very difficult to pin down how much a contributor is making for them.  Just because you get a lot of downloads, doesn't mean they will lose any income if you are no longer on the site. The subscriber may just download from someone else. There's probably a tipping point somewhere where if enough images disappear it will be a problem for them, but any one contributor is a drop in the ocean. The moral being, play it by the book.

« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2011, 02:33 »
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That's the thing with SS though, as they make their money mainly from subs it's very difficult to pin down how much a contributor is making for them.  Just because you get a lot of downloads, doesn't mean they will lose any income if you are no longer on the site. The subscriber may just download from someone else. There's probably a tipping point somewhere where if enough images disappear it will be a problem for them, but any one contributor is a drop in the ocean. The moral being, play it by the book.

I'm quite sure SS appreciate contributors whose work is popular with buyers. That's why they reward them with higher commissions. With OD sales becoming ever more significant and now expanding into 'single image' sales the work of top-selling contributors will become even more valuable to them. They need to impress potential new customers as well as satisfy the needs of existing subscribers with the best collection of images they can present.

RacePhoto

« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2011, 09:56 »
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Have to go with Microbius on this one. Play by the rules, no one is exempt. If you remember there have been some fairly high profile contributors who got suspended for rather minor and stupid issues. With over 15 million images, I'm confident that SS has all the "best collection of images they can present" to impress buyers.

Don't fool with Mother Nature and don't try to fool SS with wasting their time submitting rejected images, multiple times.

Yes I'm in the, if they don't want it, tough for them, group. It's not worth losing my account over a some possible downloads!

lthn

    This user is banned.
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2011, 11:21 »
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I did resubmit some stuff they rejected, even double resubmit, but only after a batch of new stuff and no warning here. I have a very high acceptance ratio tho... they probably do have some inside rankings system that might make a difference on how they relate to you. I remember reading the post of someone who has been a reviewer for years, saying that most photographers tend to be very consistent in their quality. Who has been submitting questionable stuff, usually goes on like that forever, the ones who have been uploading high quality stuff tend to do so consistently. It might save them time to be less thorough with the latter, and they are often very-very fast, it takes just a couple of hours even for bigger batches to be up for sale. That never happened when I was new there.

« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2011, 08:57 »
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Do they have recognition software?


RacePhoto

« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2011, 12:27 »
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Do they have recognition software?

If this is leading to Bots doing reviews, please don't.  :D

If you meant do they know when people resubmit, it appears that's a yes. IS does also. Seems I made an error and sent in a shot, (to IS) that I thought had be removed for "new rules" Copyright issues, visible logo... the second time with the logo removed. Got a reply from Scout that I should not re-submit refused images that are marked "No Resubmit"

I know this is contrary to what they tell us, but up until a month ago, things that were refused to SS were still getting accepted on BS. Some days I wish they would open the bridge and end that game. I don't have high volume and not a big contributor, so I get to keep playing along with the split system, even though they claim the standards are identical?

When StockXpert added files to ThinkStock and then IS did a merge, a funny thing happened. If the file was a different size, the software didn't see it as the same. I have a stack of dupes on ThinkStock. No problem. I'm closing the StockXpert account (fingers crossed?) next month and after asking a few different ways, never got an answer how to add files that were excluded by the original merge. But it did tell me that they were looking at more than text matches, and since I was dumping reduced size images on StockXpert, because of the ruduced size payments, many were missed. That will all go away before next year. Done with StockXpert...

Don't know about others, but those two appear to have an archive of refused images. Also someone might keep in mind, that we can delete refused images and I'd guess that would mean the database no longer knows. Personally I think it's too much fooling around to put up refused images, considering it means risking a warning or account suspension, for what? A picture that might make a couple of bucks? Are we that starving and needy that it's worth risking a whole account over some crummy refused image that may never sell anyway?

SS:

Note:  Rejected photos will be automatically deleted after 7 days. But I see the Caption saved with the thumbnail, going back to the last time I cleaned house, and that's January 2010, who knows what else is saved, but with 15 million images, I'd think they purge now and then?

The focus thing isn't just "out of focus" here's what it says... Focus--Your image is not in focus or focus is not located where we feel it works best. So it might be tack sharp in spots and still get get refused, rejected or the one that seems kinder, Not Approved: Which brings up a small tip, for shallow depth of field on SS, focus to the front with the main subject sharp. For some reason they don't like soft focus in front of the subject and going back? Don't ask why, that's what they do...

See it's not as negative, it's not rejected, it is just Not Approved:  ;D

« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2011, 19:37 »
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If you meant do they know when people resubmit, it appears that's a yes. IS does also. Seems I made an error and sent in a shot, (to IS) that I thought had be removed for "new rules" Copyright issues, visible logo... the second time with the logo removed. Got a reply from Scout that I should not re-submit refused images that are marked "No Resubmit"

If they do have that software, I'm not sure how good it is. I just notice I have in my port the same image twice. It has different sizes and one is editorial and the other's not. I don't know how that happened :) and don't know I they didn't noticed it either.

RacePhoto

« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2011, 01:02 »
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If you meant do they know when people resubmit, it appears that's a yes. IS does also. Seems I made an error and sent in a shot, (to IS) that I thought had be removed for "new rules" Copyright issues, visible logo... the second time with the logo removed. Got a reply from Scout that I should not re-submit refused images that are marked "No Resubmit"

If they do have that software, I'm not sure how good it is. I just notice I have in my port the same image twice. It has different sizes and one is editorial and the other's not. I don't know how that happened :) and don't know I they didn't noticed it either.

Just what I wrote, but I babble and go on and on sometimes. ;)

They look at size and keywords in the caption. It's also possible that since it was accepted, there's no reason for them to monitor re-submits, only when someone is wasting their time sending the same failures, over and over.

« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2011, 08:58 »
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I usually remove the refused images, simply for cleaning up. I tend to edit refused files (lightins or noise...) but I don't resubmit inmediatelly, I put all rejected in a folder and I resubmit sometimes months later... not for anything special, I'm just too concentrated on the new bunches (yes I shoot a lot of bunches) that I tend to forgot refused files until I see the folder and then I resubmit. So, those resubmissions can bring me a warning?? I mean, do you keep ALL the refused files on their database?

« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2011, 14:00 »
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If you make changes as a result of a refusal and re-submit with a note, I don't believe there is an issue.  Trying to sneak in a previously rejected file as a new submission is asking for trouble.

« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2011, 18:33 »
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If you meant do they know when people resubmit, it appears that's a yes. IS does also. Seems I made an error and sent in a shot, (to IS) that I thought had be removed for "new rules" Copyright issues, visible logo... the second time with the logo removed. Got a reply from Scout that I should not re-submit refused images that are marked "No Resubmit"

If they do have that software, I'm not sure how good it is. I just notice I have in my port the same image twice. It has different sizes and one is editorial and the other's not. I don't know how that happened :) and don't know I they didn't noticed it either.

Just what I wrote, but I babble and go on and on sometimes. ;)

They look at size and keywords in the caption. It's also possible that since it was accepted, there's no reason for them to monitor re-submits, only when someone is wasting their time sending the same failures, over and over.

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They definitely monitor accepted files.  I've accidentally uploaded files that were accepted six months ago and they've been rejected as duplicates.

Batman

« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2011, 20:28 »
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If you make changes as a result of a refusal and re-submit with a note, I don't believe there is an issue.  Trying to sneak in a previously rejected file as a new submission is asking for trouble.

I won't help people plug the reviews with 2nd and 3rd time rejected files. Whats wrong with them can't they understand, no? Then my reviews take longer when all the rejected submitts come back in.


 

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