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« on: October 09, 2010, 04:35 »
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what's upo with them??? I have photos rejected that sells well on other sites (DT) what are they trademark policies?? they ask me property release for indoor pictures, for motorcycle (although I removed all logos and signals), for a glass building of offices... these pics are on DT and sell well!


« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 05:33 »
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what's upo with them??? I have photos rejected that sells well on other sites (DT) what are they trademark policies?? they ask me property release for indoor pictures, for motorcycle (although I removed all logos and signals), for a glass building of offices... these pics are on DT and sell well!
Yap, SS and BigStock changed policies on this.

« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 11:03 »
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If it's a modern building then they want a property release.  Any kind of vehicle shot will be rejected.  Though I'm not sure if you could submit it as editorial though.  I would contact support about that one.

RacePhoto

« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2010, 19:09 »
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Anyone have a text or pdf version? I went to the Getty site and got a dead link. I can't find my IS link to the Property release. All I need is a generic that I can modify and use on SS in the future. Somehow I'm coming up at a loss and I know it's something that should be easy to find. Maybe even here in resources. Here's the IS version, but I want something with just the release.  http://www.istockphoto.com/docs/languages/english/propertyrelease.pdf (and that I can edit. This is a PDF) Here's the SS version http://submit.shutterstock.com/property_release.pdf

Then there is this:

ASMP has never seen a statute or a legal case that requires a release for property.

Association. The first theory is that a persons identity might be connected to the property. Take a picture of a house and use it in an article about drug users, and the owner might get angry enough to sue. Why? because everyone on the block knows whose house it is, and, since the house is not actually connected with drugs, the image was used out of context and paints the owner in a bad light. If the owner sees the use of the image as defamation of character, a lawsuit might be the response.

Conversion. The second theory is that there is an offense called conversion, which means that you used anothers property to your own personal gain without the owners permission. It is a bit like copyright infringement, which covers intangible property, except it covers tangible property. If I rent out your house while you are away without your permission, I have converted it to my personal gain. That is conversion. The question is this: Is it conversion if I rent out a picture of your house for an advertisement without your permission? The picture of your house is not your tangible property. Is the photo of the house the equivalent of the house (at least for these purposes)?

We know of no case that has ever settled those kinds of questions. ASMP advises that property releases be acquired whenever possible because we dont want to see you be the test case.


There's the argument that no one wants to be the test case. :)
« Last Edit: October 10, 2010, 19:13 by RacePhoto »

« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2010, 20:51 »
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what really pisses me off is the difference between BigStock and SS accepting policy..

BigStock gets almost everything.. SS is pickier! why?

« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2010, 11:42 »
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I've been getting a lot of rejections lately, and SS used to accept darn near everything I submitted. However, maybe it's a coincidence, but on two occasions lately, I submitted on the weekend as apposed to a weekday and both times everything was accepted. Different reviewers who are smarter, I mean more tolerant, working on the weekends?

« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 12:33 »
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I've been getting a lot of rejections lately, and SS used to accept darn near everything I submitted. However, maybe it's a coincidence, but on two occasions lately, I submitted on the weekend as apposed to a weekday and both times everything was accepted. Different reviewers who are smarter, I mean more tolerant, working on the weekends?

A microstocker friend told the the opposite!! She told me that it was better to submit on week days because on weeekend there were awful reviewers!!  ??? but

RacePhoto

« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2010, 16:30 »
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what really pisses me off is the difference between BigStock and SS accepting policy..

BigStock gets almost everything.. SS is pickier! why?

Because SS will sell your images and you'll collect money on the web, while BigStock will make few or no sales, and they will collect cobwebs. That's why SS is pickier.  :D

Having things accepted doesn't equate to having more sales. I sell more on SS in a month that I do on BigStock and StockXpert put together, in a year, and the last two have twice as many "acceptable" images. Oh I feel good that some places will take my photos, but feelings don't put gas in the car or food on the table! ;)

« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2010, 02:57 »
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Having problems with SS rejections also. I used to have quite a good acceptance at SS but now there are days when all my photos in my batches are rejected for reasons I don't understand. The reviewing also takes a lot longer than it used to take. Maybe the reviewers are too busy with the Istock runners and just reject everything they don't fancy in one glimpse?

WarrenPrice

« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2010, 12:37 »
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Me too.  and I really don't understand.  I NEVER expected to see an entire batch rejected.  I was POSITIVE that the entire batch would be accepted???

Desperate times call for desperate measures ... I just started re-uploading my port to Fotolia ... as much as I hate their arrogant attitude. 

Might send the rejects to Thinkstock.   :o

Carl

  • Carl Stewart, CS Productions
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 07:00 »
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Although I've been selling video clips on SS for some time now, I have yet to be accepted as a still photographer.  After four unsuccessful attempts, my fifth attempt included ten photos that had all been approved in one of my previous attempts.  (I didn't reach the requisite seven out of ten in my previous attempts, but some of the photos were approved.)  Much to my surprise, the photos that were approved previously were disapproved!  It even included photos that have sold on other sites!  It seems that the initial batch of ten is a moving target.  :o

« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2010, 12:21 »
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Although I've been selling video clips on SS for some time now, I have yet to be accepted as a still photographer.  After four unsuccessful attempts, my fifth attempt included ten photos that had all been approved in one of my previous attempts.  (I didn't reach the requisite seven out of ten in my previous attempts, but some of the photos were approved.)  Much to my surprise, the photos that were approved previously were disapproved!  It even included photos that have sold on other sites!  It seems that the initial batch of ten is a moving target.  :o


Keep going with that. If you have 7 or more accepted across all previous batches its working contacting them - they let me upload a batch of my previously accepted images and I was accepted. More here: http://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/approval-of-new-photographers-applications/

« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2010, 04:20 »
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This is sooooo frustrating! SS rejects nature pics that even Fotolia accepts now  :o That says a lot...

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2010, 07:29 »
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Regarding acceptance ratio, FT used to be one of the most difficult sites for me, and SS one of the easiest.
Now it's the opposite.

They changed attitude, not me. So I don't care at all if they accept or reject my pictures: if they like to waste their time with random 100% acceptance or 100% rejection every other day, it's their business, not mine. After my initial self-assessment on my pictures, I keep on sending everything to everybody, and the only thing that matters to me as an independent is the overall revenue across all agencies.

Random rejections are statistically equal for all contributors: they only damage the agency itself, not us. By the way, SS is still my #1: given their search algorythm if they reject more new pictures older ones keep on selling more. I'm sorry for newbies.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2010, 07:51 by microstockphoto.co.uk »

« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2010, 11:21 »
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Huh! And I thought it was just me. At least I am not alone in this boat.

« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2010, 12:35 »
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Sometimes you can take advantage of reviewer inconsistency... I re-submitted some stuff rejected on some sites a few months ago and they were approved... I'm assuming by a different reviewer.  Works on most sites.  I never re-submit more than twice, however.  If I don't get something through, I'll try again in a few months, and once more around a year after it was originally rejected.  More than 75% are approved after re-submitting.

« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2010, 12:50 »
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^^ couldnt agencies ban you for doing this? I wonder if they give you a warning or not


« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2010, 13:51 »
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Regarding acceptance ratio, FT used to be one of the most difficult sites for me, and SS one of the easiest.
Now it's the opposite.

They changed attitude, not me. So I don't care at all if they accept or reject my pictures: if they like to waste their time with random 100% acceptance or 100% rejection every other day, it's their business, not mine. After my initial self-assessment on my pictures, I keep on sending everything to everybody, and the only thing that matters to me as an independent is the overall revenue across all agencies.

Random rejections are statistically equal for all contributors: they only damage the agency itself, not us. By the way, SS is still my #1: given their search algorythm if they reject more new pictures older ones keep on selling more. I'm sorry for newbies.

I think @microphoto got it right. Unless all agencies uses same reviewers and got exactly same policies there is no way to guarantee that image is going to be accepted across the board. Also agencies sit on millions of images covering almost every possible subject so they do not need images unless something extraordinary shows up. I think in future acceptance will be even lower unless they start pruning their collections.

« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2010, 17:31 »
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^^ couldnt agencies ban you for doing this? I wonder if they give you a warning or not

Why?  They all invite re-submission.

« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2010, 17:35 »
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My acceptance ratio has been around 75% since I returned to SS.  That's about what it was on my last uploads at iStock, so I personally don't see much of a difference.

« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2010, 21:26 »
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^^ couldnt agencies ban you for doing this? I wonder if they give you a warning or not

Why?  They all invite re-submission.

Not on istock. Some files cant be resubmitted once rejected which i think is absurd. i only know of istock since im exclusive there.

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2010, 00:39 »
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^^ couldnt agencies ban you for doing this? I wonder if they give you a warning or not

Why?  They all invite re-submission.

they all invite resubmission after all issues have been fixed, not just waiting some time and retrying
« Last Edit: October 29, 2010, 00:42 by microstockphoto.co.uk »

« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2010, 08:19 »
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^^ couldnt agencies ban you for doing this? I wonder if they give you a warning or not

Why?  They all invite re-submission.

they all invite resubmission after all issues have been fixed, not just waiting some time and retrying

Bad reviewer... Waited a few months, re-submit to different reviewer.  Issue fixed. :)

Also, I do change the description and keywords.  Semantics, but...

donding

  • Think before you speak
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2010, 17:45 »
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^^ couldnt agencies ban you for doing this? I wonder if they give you a warning or not

Why?  They all invite re-submission.

they all invite resubmission after all issues have been fixed, not just waiting some time and retrying

Bad reviewer... Waited a few months, re-submit to different reviewer.  Issue fixed. :)

Also, I do change the description and keywords.  Semantics, but...

I wait awhile and change the file name...usually ending with a RS...for resubmit.

donding

  • Think before you speak
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2010, 17:49 »
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^^ couldnt agencies ban you for doing this? I wonder if they give you a warning or not

Why?  They all invite re-submission.

Not on istock. Some files cant be resubmitted once rejected which i think is absurd. i only know of istock since im exclusive there.

You can if you change the file name. I use to do this rather than go through the resubmit process. I'm sure you can so the same with the ones they say don't resubmit. How are they going to know the difference.


 

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