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« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2017, 07:25 »
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Unless I'm missing something, I'm not getting the impression that this guy was in on the scam. He just seems to be very naive.

I agree.

Introducing a crowd-sourced business model within a complex legal framework can be a recipe for disaster. How many people actually read the agreements before clicking the little box?

Some 3rd parties are more than happy to exploit newbies' eagerness to earn by any means.

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Thank you all I have really benefited from this long debate

Thanks for sharing your experience. There's plenty of other agencies out there (look on the right for rankings/links) you can submit and I trust next time you'll be more careful :)


« Reply #76 on: December 30, 2017, 10:09 »
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While it's possible that Mohamed was an innocent contributor caught up by an internet scammer, it still sounds fishy to me.  To go from less than $100 in three years to $700 in a month with the same portfolio by getting lots of ELs and high-value SODs by only providing a small payment and a link to your portfolio seems highly unlikely.  How does the scammer make their money?  How much were they paid?  What kind of contract did you sign?  Were you supposed to pay them a percentage of future profits?  Who is the scammer, exactly?  I don't see why anyone would run a scam like this - it makes no sense how they can make money at it if you only paid them a little bit upfront.  Clearly whatever they did resulted in lots of increased sales.  If it was possible to do that solely by increased advertizing then everybody would be doing it.  If it was a personal vendetta and all they needed was a portfolio link, they wouldn't need to contact you for that.  The whole thing makes no sense.

Mohamed, as you can see the people here tend to be very skeptical and many have analytical minds that will try to figure out exactly what is going on - both to try to help you sort it out and also to protect themselves and others from the same type of scam.  If you really want to get to the bottom of it, please provide more detailed information - any e-mails from the scammer and your responses, exactly what was said, promised and paid.  My prediction is that if we see the whole communication thread then the situation will not be as innocent as it seems, but the only way to know for certain is to see the whole story.  Full disclosure is the key to exoneration.  Or not.

And in the future, remember that old adage already mentioned by others, "anything that sounds too good to be true, probably is".

« Reply #77 on: December 30, 2017, 11:52 »
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There is a difference between e-marketer and scammer.

The OP paid e-marketer who scammed sales/downloads. SS disabled the portfolio telling that downloads were scammed

One possible reason can be he/she used stolen credit cards or payments to increase downloads and later the original card owners filed complaints to SS about their card being used illegally. And all these complaints pointed towards Mohamed portfolio.

At the end of the day, both persons are liable for it.

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« Reply #78 on: December 30, 2017, 16:38 »
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The OP may, of course, be blameless, but just think about this from the scammer's point of view. First, the scam must have included getting away with a significant portion of the download earnings - use a stolen card to buy a lot of stuff and get away with the payments before the credit card is refused. So either they are in league with the contributor or they have access to his Paypal account. Is there another way to make money on this scam?

Then this scammer must be pretty new at the game because they didn't seem to know that SS waits a month before paying out and most credit card fraud is detected in days, or hours, so the chance of a payout before the payments are questioned is very small. Seems a pretty poorly organized scammer if that was the plan. Then, no-one thought about SS having fraud controls of their own - like a massive run of EDs on an account that has been a very low earner.

Sounds like whoever was doing this scam hadn't actually done it before! A naive beginner?

Shelma1

« Reply #79 on: December 30, 2017, 16:44 »
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It sounds like the OP thought he could withdraw his earnings at any time, not wait for the end of the month. So...make a whole bunch of sales in one day, then request payout. There must be more to it than he's shared, because yes, the scammer would have to have access to a portion of those earnings somehow...and there's no way he'd trust a regular contributor to turn over part of the earnings after he got them.

Alternatively, he could be scamming lots of people and getting a small upfront payment from all of them, then letting them take the fall. But that seems less likely.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 16:46 by Shelma1 »

« Reply #80 on: December 30, 2017, 21:38 »
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When you start your own business it is like your son,
Please promise your future children (daughters also matter) that you will not under any circumstances allow them to be looked after by some random stranger who approaches you in person or online and offers to look after them.

You put your hand on the wound
I have behaved really reckless behavior, I hope this is the end of trouble

« Reply #81 on: December 30, 2017, 22:20 »
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Ok all

The question remains, what is the hidden thing that a marketer could do to increase profits?
Look in the past before I see you and also before my account has been disabled
I never suspected that something was wrong, because I do not know how to manage this thing called marketing

But I asked him how would increase earnings , He say will share my portfolio link in social media and advertising and that by virtue of his profession he is close to personally approaching buyers and that I am not the first nor the last to work with him, he increases the profits of many people and it always goes well

When I saw sales increase, I did not really think about anything. It seems, according to your analysis, that I was hunting easy

But if all he takes is a little price, it seems he looks like a hard-working employee
I think maybe he can steal me or hacking my bank accounts later

I really do not know, is it possible that all this is just a misunderstanding?
And my profits were just the lucky beginner, But it seems that I am not lucky enough.

Thank you


« Reply #82 on: December 30, 2017, 23:03 »
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Well it might be, maybe somehow they detected something fishy going on with your mac adresses and it raised a red flag for them, so they just disabled the account. I doubt they even elaborated, they just play safe and don't have time to investigate every such event, hence the paragraph in their tos about account disabling with no questions asked. I think...

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As far as I know mac addresses aren't communicated unless there is an app installed on the client mac. Do mac users have to download an app from SS to communicate with the site? If it's just through browser, unless it's IE supposedly there isn't anything providing SS with this info.

You are right. I thought it's not usually done but possible to extract mac if wanted.

Is it important?
Is this possibly the reason for my account being disabled?

I'm not suggesting that them extracting the mac address has anything to do with that but, why would you change it? I'm suggesting that if you're going through the trouble to change that, you're probably going through the trouble to use a proxy server or any other number of confusing questionable actions as well.

As for what you should do in the future, just create new profiles at other sites (shutterstock will close it again if they find out it's you) and share your stuff the way the rest of us do. It's really that easy ... No "marketer" is just going to show up one day and increase sales 1000% but, if you just share your new files and new sales and whatever sometimes you'll catch an extra customer or two from your followers. It seems like most of them have a way to pretty much share them automatically ... if not try IFTTT or something.

Good luck, don't cheat the system too badly.

« Reply #83 on: December 31, 2017, 01:46 »
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I 100% don't buy that we are getting anything like the real story. Without links to his work elsewhere we have no idea who this is and what actually happened.

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« Reply #84 on: December 31, 2017, 18:06 »
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Is there another way to make money on this scam?

Getting the OP to pay them!

« Reply #85 on: January 01, 2018, 11:19 »
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I 100% don't buy that we are getting anything like the real story. Without links to his work elsewhere we have no idea who this is and what actually happened.

We never do on these account closed for no reason crys. The opposite, the person goes away and we don't hear the answer or the account gets restored because it was a mistake. I didn't know is not a defense. Somehow someone paid for all these on demand downloads, how can that happen for a small fee? There's more here than we'll ever know.

« Reply #86 on: January 01, 2018, 20:59 »
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Well it might be, maybe somehow they detected something fishy going on with your mac adresses and it raised a red flag for them, so they just disabled the account. I doubt they even elaborated, they just play safe and don't have time to investigate every such event, hence the paragraph in their tos about account disabling with no questions asked. I think...

Sent from my SM-J510FN using Tapatalk

As far as I know mac addresses aren't communicated unless there is an app installed on the client mac. Do mac users have to download an app from SS to communicate with the site? If it's just through browser, unless it's IE supposedly there isn't anything providing SS with this info.

You are right. I thought it's not usually done but possible to extract mac if wanted.

Is it important?
Is this possibly the reason for my account being disabled?

I'm not suggesting that them extracting the mac address has anything to do with that but, why would you change it? I'm suggesting that if you're going through the trouble to change that, you're probably going through the trouble to use a proxy server or any other number of confusing questionable actions as well.

As for what you should do in the future, just create new profiles at other sites (shutterstock will close it again if they find out it's you) and share your stuff the way the rest of us do. It's really that easy ... No "marketer" is just going to show up one day and increase sales 1000% but, if you just share your new files and new sales and whatever sometimes you'll catch an extra customer or two from your followers. It seems like most of them have a way to pretty much share them automatically ... if not try IFTTT or something.

Good luck, don't cheat the system too badly.

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And another wisdom says not to cry over spilled milk
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« Reply #87 on: January 01, 2018, 21:14 »
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I 100% don't buy that we are getting anything like the real story. Without links to his work elsewhere we have no idea who this is and what actually happened.

We never do on these account closed for no reason crys. The opposite, the person goes away and we don't hear the answer or the account gets restored because it was a mistake. I didn't know is not a defense. Somehow someone paid for all these on demand downloads, how can that happen for a small fee? There's more here than we'll ever know.

I think the possibility of cheating is unlikely
Because no one can do that with microstock sites
Because you simply think that if you cheat you will pay much more than you will earn

I do not see the right with shuttersttock ever, in the end they are taken for each download and must pay the royalties

I do not see the right with SS to close my account too, they must to protect the sellers and preserve them instead of genocide, so the sellers are decreasing and thus their site will fail and their reputation in the direction of the bottom

This is really what I think if you are asked me for honesty

« Reply #88 on: January 01, 2018, 21:20 »
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But also let me to admit that I was reckless in dealing with someone I did not know
Thanks for all Happy New Year
                  I am sorry for my English

« Reply #89 on: January 02, 2018, 20:02 »
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« Reply #90 on: January 03, 2018, 10:37 »
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I know this isn't necessarily what happened here but as a related FYI, Shutterstock does have many ways of detecting suspicious activity and will close accounts without warning. I started out on SS as a vector contributor but later wanted to purchase a subscription to license photos for various design projects. I reached out to SS about it just to make sure I wasn't crossing any lines by being a contributor and a buyer at the same time. They warned me then that if I used my subscription to download any of my own images, my account would be closed.

They take this stuff very seriously. There's too much real fraud going on every day, so their zero-tolerance policy may seem harsh but it is there for a reason.

When in doubt about anything you're doing, just reach out to them and ask before you do something that could jeopardize your account. SS is very willing to answer questions before you do anything risky, but they won't be forgiving if you just go ahead with some scheme to increase sales without checking with them first to see if it's ok to do.


« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2018, 08:12 »
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Unless I'm missing something, I'm not getting the impression that this guy was in on the scam. He just seems to be very naive. I mean the following statement proves that...

"When you start your own business it is like your son, raise it on your hands and see it grow up in front of your eyes, you should think like all people to get an e-marketer. The future is going to them?"

I think I'll pass on that one, based on the results! Or if I did get one... I'll seek out a marketer myself, qualify them, check case studies, testimonials, check those testimonials are real by real people and real companies, check the address isn't some virtual mailbox or a shed in the middle of nowhere etc etc. I'm not going to accept the services of somebody who comes out of the blue.

It's the same reason I don't have cupboards full of penis pumps and Viagra... I don't accept every offer that comes into my mailbox. If you're not from an officially recognised guild of penis pump craftsmen, you're not getting my business.
You made my day. :)
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