Author Topic: ZERO downloads (Read 24529 times)

Microstockphoto · « **on:** May 28, 2017, 01:56 »

to follow up on my previous success story. today (saturday) i achieved ZERO downloads.

time to evaluate the site performance and look for alternatives.

Brasilnut · « **Reply #1 on:** May 28, 2017, 03:13 »

Sundays tend to be slow

Minsc · « **Reply #2 on:** May 28, 2017, 03:25 »

This whole weekend will be slow, including Monday. It's Memorial Day weekend in the US and slow sales are normal during this holiday.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 28, 2017, 04:03 »

Quote from: Minsc on May 28, 2017, 03:25

This whole weekend will be slow, including Monday. It's Memorial Day weekend in the US and slow sales are normal during this holiday.

Bank Holiday in UK too...not sure about rest of Europe

Chichikov · « **Reply #4 on:** May 28, 2017, 05:46 »

Probably because today is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_hygiene_day

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #5 on:** May 28, 2017, 07:15 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 01:56

to follow up on my previous success story. today (saturday) i achieved ZERO downloads.

time to evaluate the site performance and look for alternatives.

You're looking for alternatives after one day of having zero sales... and on a weekend? You might be jumping the gun slightly. What happens if you get no sales for two days in a row... delete your entire portfolio and burn all your equipment?

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #6 on:** May 28, 2017, 07:48 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 01:56

time to evaluate the site performance and look for alternatives.

I personnaly evaluate MY performance when my images don't sell...
and I always have looked for alternatives, even when sales were good.

jonbull · « **Reply #7 on:** May 28, 2017, 10:49 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 01:56

to follow up on my previous success story. today (saturday) i achieved ZERO downloads.

time to evaluate the site performance and look for alternatives.

well saturday and sunday are always slow, never had more than 8 download...but it's clear that they changed something in the last week.

this month i had great start than after 15 super slow, practically only sub and zero extended.
from march 2016 i practically grow portfolio 85%...i add lifestyle and food photography made with pro model and food stylist, i was more an editorial.
i am experiencing just a n increase in global earning, all agency, of 20%.
maybe had i not uploaded nothing i would have experienced massive fall who knows.
i expected more earning.
it's clear that at 1 million new file a week you can't do nothing at this point to improve earning significantly apart uploading 10k content week.;

i suspext also a lot is decided in algorithm in ss...is not possibile that despite an increase in upload, better oriented content, i always have the same fixed download everyday in the last year.

as i told many times microstockis experiencing the overflow of content from country where producing is practically zero cost, i have been one month in an eastern europe country....produced 2000 files, with very good quality starting from model booked from agency also, paying like 500 dollar of cost. that's why there are literally 10000 user from russia ukraine serbia now producing million of content...is cheap.
i hope stocksy open again, and my start with offset will produce good money. i decided many years ago to keep all best photos only from rm, and so far this month rm has saved my bill.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #8 on:** May 28, 2017, 11:12 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on May 28, 2017, 03:13

Sundays tend to be slow

i said saturday, sundays are someone else's saturday or monday, so they are better than saturdays. saturday is the slowest day of the week for me

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #9 on:** May 28, 2017, 11:14 »

Quote from: Minsc on May 28, 2017, 03:25

This whole weekend will be slow, including Monday. It's Memorial Day weekend in the US and slow sales are normal during this holiday.

the world doesnt revolve around the USA. in europe its a normal weekend.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2017, 11:18 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 28, 2017, 07:15

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 01:56
to follow up on my previous success story. today (saturday) i achieved ZERO downloads.

time to evaluate the site performance and look for alternatives.

You're looking for alternatives after one day of having zero sales... and on a weekend? You might be jumping the gun slightly. What happens if you get no sales for two days in a row... delete your entire portfolio and burn all your equipment?

point out to me where i said i will leave ss?

i understand you dont follow people around on the forum, but i think i have been pretty clear that my sales have dropped around 50% and havent had any zero sales for many years until this year. i never had zero sales on a weekend, on christmas day, on memorial day, on the 4th, or whatever day.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #11 on:** May 28, 2017, 11:19 »

Quote from: Oligo on May 28, 2017, 07:48

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 01:56
time to evaluate the site performance and look for alternatives.
I personnaly evaluate MY performance when my images don't sell...
and I always have looked for alternatives, even when sales were good.

awesome, so when your sales drop by 50% is because your images started suck.ing one day to the next.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #12 on:** May 28, 2017, 11:30 »

As came up on another thread ss's collection size increase is now outstripping growth in payments massively, by as much as 5 times by my calculations. And the difference is getting worse. Everyone should be looking at alternatives about now and a zero dl day would be a heck of a wake up call for me too.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2017, 11:51 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on May 28, 2017, 11:30

As came up on another thread ss's collection size increase is now outstripping growth in payments massively, by as much as 5 times by my calculations. And the difference is getting worse. Everyone should be looking at alternatives about now and a zero dl day would be a heck of a wake up call for me too.

Yes it has been said many times...think we are all at risk of a sudden swing due to an algorithm change.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2017, 12:00 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 11:18

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 28, 2017, 07:15
Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 01:56
to follow up on my previous success story. today (saturday) i achieved ZERO downloads.

time to evaluate the site performance and look for alternatives.

You're looking for alternatives after one day of having zero sales... and on a weekend? You might be jumping the gun slightly. What happens if you get no sales for two days in a row... delete your entire portfolio and burn all your equipment?

point out to me where i said i will leave ss?

You didn't... but I didn't either. I asked if you would. Keep up, dude!

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #15 on:** May 28, 2017, 12:01 »

Quote from: Chichikov on May 28, 2017, 05:46

Probably because today is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_hygiene_day

Strewth, guys. Be professional about it. Take some photos to illustrate the menstrual hygiene concept. How can you expect to get sales if you don't take advantage of the opportunities?

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #16 on:** May 28, 2017, 12:04 »

Spacefootage, i am just getting to apoint where i lose faith that it will correct itself. Ss always had ups and down for the last 3-4 years, but now the trend is really down. and getting no downloads on any given day is very worrying. slow downs on memorial day or christmas days are expected, but zero...... thats sign of the new times

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #17 on:** May 28, 2017, 12:06 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 12:04

Spacefootage, i am just getting to apoint where i lose faith that it will correct itself. Ss always had ups and down for the last 3-4 years, but now the trend is really down. and getting no downloads on any given day is very worrying. slow downs on memorial day or christmas days are expected, but zero...... thats sign of the new times

To be honest, I'm waiting for it to happen to me. Saturdays have been dire for a couple of months, but so far I've managed to get by without a zero sales day since May 2005. I'll be sad to see that record end.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #18 on:** May 28, 2017, 12:10 »

Baldrick, agreed, that day happened to me this year after going without zero donwloads for a decade. and it angers me, because ss is taking the istock route. lowered acceptance criteria, lowered quality criteria and increased quantities have bloated the library with 100 million images in 5 years. they had 25 million images in 8 years before that.

Thomas from France · « **Reply #19 on:** May 28, 2017, 14:56 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 11:14

Quote from: Minsc on May 28, 2017, 03:25
This whole weekend will be slow, including Monday. It's Memorial Day weekend in the US and slow sales are normal during this holiday.

the world doesnt revolve around the USA. in europe its a normal weekend.

4 days off in France(since thursday)

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #20 on:** May 28, 2017, 15:38 »

Quote from: Thomas from France on May 28, 2017, 14:56

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 11:14
Quote from: Minsc on May 28, 2017, 03:25
This whole weekend will be slow, including Monday. It's Memorial Day weekend in the US and slow sales are normal during this holiday.

the world doesnt revolve around the USA. in europe its a normal weekend.
4 days off in France(since thursday)

And it's also the start of Ramadan, with reduced working hours, for billions of people in Asia.

Cider Apple · « **Reply #21 on:** May 28, 2017, 15:47 »

A Bank Holiday Monday tomorrow for the UK too (Bank Holiday is a holiday for everyone for those outside UK).

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #22 on:** May 28, 2017, 16:29 »

ok, let me repeat myself, i never had zero sales on a weekend, on christmas day, on memorial day, on the 4th, or whatever day

so you can come up with all possible celebratory days, it still doesnt change the fact that that didnt hinder me before.

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #23 on:** May 28, 2017, 21:37 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on May 28, 2017, 11:51

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on May 28, 2017, 11:30
As came up on another thread ss's collection size increase is now outstripping growth in payments massively, by as much as 5 times by my calculations. And the difference is getting worse. Everyone should be looking at alternatives about now and a zero dl day would be a heck of a wake up call for me too.
Yes it has been said many times...think we are all at risk of a sudden swing due to an algorithm change.

I've said it many times, and I think it's obvious. Don't blame the algorithm for the search or some other conspiracy like blackout, capping or low price favorites.

140,265,339 royalty-free stock images / 1,225,157 new stock images added this week on the SS site.

Over 1 million new competing images a week. Over 140 Million competing images.

The market exposure for each of us is down, the competition is up and the entire collection size has changed. All other factors staying the same, except we can't possibly stay up with these numbers, sales will drop. It's not a mystery at all. Dilution and diversity.

oscarcwilliams · « **Reply #24 on:** May 28, 2017, 21:40 »

Wow! I just had (1) sale today.

k_t_g · « **Reply #25 on:** May 28, 2017, 22:22 »

Quote from: Chichikov on May 28, 2017, 05:46

Probably because today is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_hygiene_day

lol

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #26 on:** May 28, 2017, 23:48 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 16:29

ok, let me repeat myself, i never had zero sales on a weekend, on christmas day, on memorial day, on the 4th, or whatever day

so you can come up with all possible celebratory days, it still doesnt change the fact that that didnt hinder me before.

I'd be amazed if holidays didn't hinder your sales in the past. I usually only get about a quarter of the sales on a Saturday that I do on a Tuesday so I'm hindered, even if I don't drop completely to zero.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #27 on:** May 29, 2017, 00:09 »

What everyone else said... but even if you've not had a zero sales day before, what was the next lowest sales day? One download, two, three? That's not exactly a massive jump from there to zero. Combine that with natural variance, the weekend, increased competition and the holidays... a zero sales day was bound to happen at some point.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 29, 2017, 01:03 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on May 28, 2017, 21:37

Quote from: Pauws99 on May 28, 2017, 11:51
Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on May 28, 2017, 11:30
As came up on another thread ss's collection size increase is now outstripping growth in payments massively, by as much as 5 times by my calculations. And the difference is getting worse. Everyone should be looking at alternatives about now and a zero dl day would be a heck of a wake up call for me too.
Yes it has been said many times...think we are all at risk of a sudden swing due to an algorithm change.

I've said it many times, and I think it's obvious. Don't blame the algorithm for the search or some other conspiracy like blackout, capping or low price favorites.

140,265,339 royalty-free stock images / 1,225,157 new stock images added this week on the SS site.

Over 1 million new competing images a week. Over 140 Million competing images.

The market exposure for each of us is down, the competition is up and the entire collection size has changed. All other factors staying the same, except we can't possibly stay up with these numbers, sales will drop. It's not a mystery at all. Dilution and diversity.

I'm not really "blaming" it it just changes from time to time winners and losers but all SS are trying to do is maximize sales. If a customer would be equally happy with say one of 100 images why should we expect ours to be at the top? Not "fair" whoever "wins"

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #29 on:** May 29, 2017, 01:29 »

I am guessing from the op's reaction and the fact that he hasn't had a zero download day in many years that he's not talking about usually having 1 or 2 dls on a holiday or weekend and now has zero but has gone from 50 odd on a really bad day to zero.

Chichikov · « **Reply #30 on:** May 29, 2017, 01:48 »

I have sold 7 photos of the same series during the night (Sunday to Monday, but as Sunday sales).
SEVEN!!
Never happened before, even during a working week day…

temis · « **Reply #31 on:** May 29, 2017, 01:53 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on May 28, 2017, 11:12

Quote from: Brasilnut on May 28, 2017, 03:13
Sundays tend to be slow

i said saturday, sundays are someone else's saturday or monday, so they are better than saturdays. saturday is the slowest day of the week for me

I agree that there are too many new contents so it is normal that sales with decrease. Besides so many new contents confuse perpective buyers as they have to scroll among a huge amount pics that maybe the best pics are hidden somewhere in the deep hole of the digital pics produced daily.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #32 on:** May 29, 2017, 02:24 »

baldrick, space, of course i see a slow down in the weekend, like everyone else, and of course a zero day was bound to happen with the current state of the market and ss policies. so we're back to the op, time to evaluate.

jonbull · « **Reply #33 on:** May 29, 2017, 09:13 »

you need work hard to meet those goals once you reached easily.
personally i doubled my portfolio and analizyning earnings i discovered that in reality i had a 25% more earning in 2017 compared to 2016.
in my opinion to double earning u reach at least 3 4 times images with good quality and content.
different you need to hit the jackpot with a bunch of images who top teach in popular category.
those who make money todays have 100000 images.

Brasilnut · « **Reply #34 on:** May 29, 2017, 09:26 »

Quote

those who make money todays have 100000 images.

I'm only 4% there...

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #35 on:** May 29, 2017, 10:03 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on May 29, 2017, 09:26

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those who make money todays have 100000 images.

I'm only 4% there...

If you do a proper accounting of costs in terms of time spent shooting, processing and uploading and take account of the cost of equipment I doubt if anybody really makes money any longer.
Say setting up, shooting, tweaking and keywording each image takes 20 minutes and reckon your time at say $240 a day. You need to get a return of $10 on every image just to cover your time and effort. Lets say each microstock image makes on average $2 per year, you're waiting five years to get paid (assumes sales don't go any further down the drain).... and then you need to deduct the interest that you might have made in five years if you were in a job that paid on time.
The only way to justify it nowadays is to regard it as a hobby and write-off all the time and effort as something you enjoyed doing, so all the money is a bonus on top of your real job.
Which is how it all began in the first place.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 29, 2017, 10:12 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 29, 2017, 10:03

Quote from: Brasilnut on May 29, 2017, 09:26
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those who make money todays have 100000 images.

I'm only 4% there...

If you do a proper accounting of costs in terms of time spent shooting, processing and uploading and take account of the cost of equipment I doubt if anybody really makes money any longer.
Say setting up, shooting, tweaking and keywording each image takes 20 minutes and reckon your time at say $240 a day. You need to get a return of $10 on every image just to cover your time and effort. Lets say each microstock image makes on average $2 per year, you're waiting five years to get paid (assumes sales don't go any further down the drain).... and then you need to deduct the interest that you might have made in five years if you were in a job that paid on time.
The only way to justify it nowadays is to regard it as a hobby and write-off all the time and effort as something you enjoyed doing, so all the money is a bonus on top of your real job.
Which is how it all began in the first place.

yep you are right in a way the "professionals" kidnapped it from the amateurs with the inevitable result. I make a bit as an add on but you would have to be seriously good and hard working to make a decent living I think.

Steveball · « **Reply #37 on:** May 29, 2017, 12:49 »

Today looks like it will be the 9th zero day this month! The rare event is now the norm.

sarah2 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 30, 2017, 05:26 »

and we still seem to be closed today - Tuesday.
Post Bank Hol UK, post Memorial Day US.....

Brightontl · « **Reply #39 on:** May 30, 2017, 06:13 »

Quote from: sarah2 on May 30, 2017, 05:26

and we still seem to be closed today - Tuesday.
Post Bank Hol UK, post Memorial Day US.....

I knew about the bank holiday in the UK, but did not know about memorial day.
That explains why I had a horrible day yesterday

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #40 on:** May 30, 2017, 08:10 »

I make decent enough money... enough to live on. I do videos which have a higher return, and I have some After Effects templates which sell pretty well, but I've got less than 500 items.

jonbull · « **Reply #41 on:** May 30, 2017, 08:13 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 30, 2017, 08:10

I make decent enough money... enough to live on. I do videos which have a higher return, and I have some After Effects templates which sell pretty well, but I've got less than 500 items.

most of people who complain are photographer , u are not, understand?
u have found a niche, when our niche end up u will earn what?
very simple.
we are talking mostly about photo and video, not rendering after effect etc.

jonbull · « **Reply #42 on:** May 30, 2017, 08:15 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 30, 2017, 08:10

I make decent enough money... enough to live on. I do videos which have a higher return, and I have some After Effects templates which sell pretty well, but I've got less than 500 items.

decent to live on..in vietnam...try leave in italy pay taxes and all with your earning...sure i can live good in gabon...what's the point.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #43 on:** May 30, 2017, 08:53 »

I'm in Cambodia at the moment, their internet gets routed from Vietnam as far as I'm aware. Had trouble finding an average cost of living price for Italy, but if we go by the average monthly salary of 2083 Euros a month (minimum wage being 1381 Euros for a full time role), I should be just fine on my average income of around 2600 Euros after tax.

derek · « **Reply #44 on:** May 30, 2017, 08:56 »

Lots of people have probably heard and read about the great sales at SS and jumped on the bandwagon only today its a slow kugelwagon. I mean just look at the place 120 million files hahaha! its a miracle anybody sell or upload any files at all. Joke!
You want to pop in to their own forum there are som Russian photographers there with small and large portfolios. Theyve never had it so good! and thats where the lolly is going. Surprised??

BTW I havent uploaded one single file for three months now and my daily takings are nor up nor down. Uploading dont mean crap nowadays.

jonbull · « **Reply #45 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:16 »

Quote from: derek on May 30, 2017, 08:56

Lots of people have probably heard and read about the great sales at SS and jumped on the bandwagon only today its a slow kugelwagon. I mean just look at the place 120 million files hahaha! its a miracle anybody sell or upload any files at all. Joke!
You want to pop in to their own forum there are som Russian photographers there with small and large portfolios. Theyve never had it so good! and thats where the lolly is going. Surprised??

BTW I havent uploaded one single file for three months now and my daily takings are nor up nor down. Uploading dont mean crap nowadays.

today i had 15 down with 6 2,85 in row, good start...ahah

i'm shooting in eastern europe...as i said i produced good content who are online, we see if they sell, spending less than 400 dollar for 8 photoshooting, with studio rented fo 6 hours, props and make up in 3 shooting, more than 15 model shoot in 2 weeks, with 4 FTP with release , and 11 paid for a total of 25 hours at 8 dollar hour.
and you know many who shot with stock company in russia, said i pay good.
you think you can sustain this business in france or usa where a package of cigarette cost 7 euro, a and a model don't raise her ass from the sit for less than 150 dollar, and eastern europe is really packed with photogenic beautifully model who are so good in front of camera you no need to do anything just click click click.

look in alamy for keyword like model,beautiful,sexy,lifestyle,.....most are from russia.

in addiction many big producing company are coming from russia. do you think they don't have any deal underwritten with ss or fotolia?
fool.

jonbull · « **Reply #46 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:20 »

Quote from: derek on May 30, 2017, 08:56

Lots of people have probably heard and read about the great sales at SS and jumped on the bandwagon only today its a slow kugelwagon. I mean just look at the place 120 million files hahaha! its a miracle anybody sell or upload any files at all. Joke!
You want to pop in to their own forum there are som Russian photographers there with small and large portfolios. Theyve never had it so good! and thats where the lolly is going. Surprised??

BTW I havent uploaded one single file for three months now and my daily takings are nor up nor down. Uploading dont mean crap nowadays.
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i disagree. uploading is important. maybe not this month, but i see every month new files i upload 2 months ago begin selling.
in my opinion your tactic will only zero your earning in less than a year.
compared to may 2016 i'm 35 % more this month. if i didn't have that slow down from may 15 to may 25 i would have easily doubled the may 2016.
it's difficult but your view is useless. so stop contributing if you think is finished.

LDV81 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:22 »

I wonder what is going on, who is uploading all those millions of files... The trend is clear, earnings are shrinking, and yet people continue to produce stuff...
Flipping burgers must be more lucrative already for most, and as time goes by, all SS contributors will be better off spending their time flipping burgers than producing content.

The market growth is insignificant, and the image pool grows almost exponentially. What will happen later, when the value of an average file gets very close to zero?
Will most people stop to produce, will the collection growth slow down? Will freestock become the new microstock, or will macro make a comeback? Will the micros lack good fresh content, in let's say 3 years from now? Will SS eventually become a junkyard with a gazillion of gradients and low-value files that nobody buys or even no human eyes ever see?

For what it's worth, I stopped spending money to produce new content months ago. It just doesn't make sense anymore.

jonbull · « **Reply #48 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:27 »

Quote from: LDV81 on May 30, 2017, 09:22

I wonder what is going on, who is uploading all those millions of files... The trend is clear, earnings are shrinking, and yet people continue to produce stuff...
Flipping burgers must be more lucrative already for most, and as time goes by, all SS contributors will be better off spending their time flipping burgers than producing content.

The market growth is insignificant, and the image pool grows exponentially. What will happen later, when the value of an average file gets very close to zero?
Will most people stop to produce, will the collection growth slow down? Will freestock become the new microstock, or will macro make a comeback? Will the micros lack good fresh content, in let's say 3 years from now?

For what it's worth, I stopped spending money to produce new content months ago. It just doesn't make sense anymore.

i told you,...you want understand?
in ukraine russia producing content is costless....minimum salary is 150 dollar now in ukraine....imagine earning even 400 dollar producing 1000 costless content....or some vector, or space footage.....for many people who live in this country is better earn 400 doing this than go office for less money. this has attracted thousand of contributor from russia thailand ukraine, belarus, including now there are literally hundred of big house producing content financed by man whit money who don't even have a camera but have sense of business.
russia is full of forum of micro stock.

unluck all those commercial block against russia didn't stop the overflowing of content from that country

jonbull · « **Reply #49 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:31 »

Quote from: LDV81 on May 30, 2017, 09:22

I wonder what is going on, who is uploading all those millions of files... The trend is clear, earnings are shrinking, and yet people continue to produce stuff...
Flipping burgers must be more lucrative already for most, and as time goes by, all SS contributors will be better off spending their time flipping burgers than producing content.

The market growth is insignificant, and the image pool grows exponentially. What will happen later, when the value of an average file gets very close to zero?
Will most people stop to produce, will the collection growth slow down? Will freestock become the new microstock, or will macro make a comeback? Will the micros lack good fresh content, in let's say 3 years from now? Will SS eventually become a junkyard with a gazillion of gradients and low-value files that nobody buys or even no human eyes ever see?

For what it's worth, I stopped spending money to produce new content months ago. It just doesn't make sense anymore.

1- they not care at all , they just need their account good...that's why favoring new contributor who don't reach monthly payout is good to create a better balance

2- there are enough hours of production now in asia and russia to sustain the growth of content....most of this i'm 100% sure have not written deal who favour them in the search engine...

3-indipendent contributor will suffer heavy loss

that's it.
if you have put all your hope in micro is difficult..

persoanlly micro account for 25% of my earning. photography has evolved since 2006..

LDV81 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:33 »

Quote from: jonbull on May 30, 2017, 09:27

i told you,...you want understand?
in ukraine russia producing content is costless....minimum salary is 150 dollar now in ukraine....imagine earning even 400 dollar producing 1000 costless content....or some vector, or space footage.....for many people who live in this country is better earn 400 doing this than go office for less money. this has attracted thousand of contributor from russia thailand ukraine, belarus, including now there are literally hundred of big house producing content financed by man whit money who don't even have a camera but have sense of business.
russia is full of forum of micro stock.

unluck all those commercial block against russia didn't stop the overflowing of content from that country

The trend must be similar for all contributors, regardless of where they live. In 1-2 years most will earn less than they are earning now. Hamster wheel. I wonder why people invest all their efforts into a business that can't be sustainable.

sarah2 · « **Reply #51 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:34 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 30, 2017, 08:53

I'm in Cambodia at the moment, their internet gets routed from Vietnam as far as I'm aware. Had trouble finding an average cost of living price for Italy, but if we go by the average monthly salary of 2083 Euros a month (minimum wage being 1381 Euros for a full time role), I should be just fine on my average income of around 2600 Euros after tax.

Not all of us have access to spacemen etc. Unfortunately.

I think the other issue is 38c v 25c. If you were a company, which would you give priority to in the search? My files which used to sell regularly have simply disappeared off the radar.

jonbull · « **Reply #52 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:39 »

Quote from: sarah2 on May 30, 2017, 09:34

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 30, 2017, 08:53
I'm in Cambodia at the moment, their internet gets routed from Vietnam as far as I'm aware. Had trouble finding an average cost of living price for Italy, but if we go by the average monthly salary of 2083 Euros a month (minimum wage being 1381 Euros for a full time role), I should be just fine on my average income of around 2600 Euros after tax.

Not all of us have access to spacemen etc. Unfortunately.

I think the other issue is 38c v 25c. If you were a company, which would you give priority to in the search? My files which used to sell regularly have simply disappeared off the radar.

i agree.
that's what i said continually. they are favoring new content maker with small portfolio and low payout.

jonbull · « **Reply #53 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:41 »

Quote from: LDV81 on May 30, 2017, 09:33

Quote from: jonbull on May 30, 2017, 09:27

i told you,...you want understand?
in ukraine russia producing content is costless....minimum salary is 150 dollar now in ukraine....imagine earning even 400 dollar producing 1000 costless content....or some vector, or space footage.....for many people who live in this country is better earn 400 doing this than go office for less money. this has attracted thousand of contributor from russia thailand ukraine, belarus, including now there are literally hundred of big house producing content financed by man whit money who don't even have a camera but have sense of business.
russia is full of forum of micro stock.

unluck all those commercial block against russia didn't stop the overflowing of content from that country

The trend must be similar for all contributors, regardless of where they live. In 1-2 years most will earn less than they are earning now. Hamster wheel. I wonder why people invest all their efforts into a business that can't be sustainable.

maybe in some years but right now in those county i know people who are happy earning 500 800 dollar and living a decent life. and as i said they enjoy producing content because is pretty easy.
do a search for model and lifestyle and look for new file. you will see how many are from those part of the world.

jonbull · « **Reply #54 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:43 »

Quote from: LDV81 on May 30, 2017, 09:33

Quote from: jonbull on May 30, 2017, 09:27

i told you,...you want understand?
in ukraine russia producing content is costless....minimum salary is 150 dollar now in ukraine....imagine earning even 400 dollar producing 1000 costless content....or some vector, or space footage.....for many people who live in this country is better earn 400 doing this than go office for less money. this has attracted thousand of contributor from russia thailand ukraine, belarus, including now there are literally hundred of big house producing content financed by man whit money who don't even have a camera but have sense of business.
russia is full of forum of micro stock.

unluck all those commercial block against russia didn't stop the overflowing of content from that country

The trend must be similar for all contributors, regardless of where they live. In 1-2 years most will earn less than they are earning now. Hamster wheel. I wonder why people invest all their efforts into a business that can't be sustainable.

so if you to office working 8/24 right now and you earn 300 dollar and there is the chance working much less, enjoying your hobby, earning 500 dollar uploading content...what you will do?
and uploading thousand of content every month will never slow their earning less than 500 dollar.
the growth in content is linked to the spread of microstok in those country.

jonbull · « **Reply #55 on:** May 30, 2017, 09:47 »

Quote from: LDV81 on May 30, 2017, 09:33

Quote from: jonbull on May 30, 2017, 09:27

i told you,...you want understand?
in ukraine russia producing content is costless....minimum salary is 150 dollar now in ukraine....imagine earning even 400 dollar producing 1000 costless content....or some vector, or space footage.....for many people who live in this country is better earn 400 doing this than go office for less money. this has attracted thousand of contributor from russia thailand ukraine, belarus, including now there are literally hundred of big house producing content financed by man whit money who don't even have a camera but have sense of business.
russia is full of forum of micro stock.

unluck all those commercial block against russia didn't stop the overflowing of content from that country

The trend must be similar for all contributors, regardless of where they live. In 1-2 years most will earn less than they are earning now. Hamster wheel. I wonder why people invest all their efforts into a business that can't be sustainable.

https://www.shutterstock.com/search?searchterm=top+view+wood&search_source=base_search_form&language=fr&page=1&sort=newest&image_type=all&safe=true

this is a theme popular now, top view of food or still life. cheap cost nothing to produce multiple content.
look the producer. 80% come from russia.
just to say one theme.
search for popular theme. you will see this.

derek · « **Reply #56 on:** May 30, 2017, 11:02 »

Quote from: jonbull on May 30, 2017, 09:27

Quote from: LDV81 on May 30, 2017, 09:22
I wonder what is going on, who is uploading all those millions of files... The trend is clear, earnings are shrinking, and yet people continue to produce stuff...
Flipping burgers must be more lucrative already for most, and as time goes by, all SS contributors will be better off spending their time flipping burgers than producing content.

The market growth is insignificant, and the image pool grows exponentially. What will happen later, when the value of an average file gets very close to zero?
Will most people stop to produce, will the collection growth slow down? Will freestock become the new microstock, or will macro make a comeback? Will the micros lack good fresh content, in let's say 3 years from now?

For what it's worth, I stopped spending money to produce new content months ago. It just doesn't make sense anymore.

i told you,...you want understand?
in ukraine russia producing content is costless....minimum salary is 150 dollar now in ukraine....imagine earning even 400 dollar producing 1000 costless content....or some vector, or space footage.....for many people who live in this country is better earn 400 doing this than go office for less money. this has attracted thousand of contributor from russia thailand ukraine, belarus, including now there are literally hundred of big house producing content financed by man whit money who don't even have a camera but have sense of business.
russia is full of forum of micro stock.

unluck all those commercial block against russia didn't stop the overflowing of content from that country

Thats it!! In Russia, Ukraine, Philipines, Poland 10 bucks a day goes a long way so they dont need to work too much but spend their time uploading, uploading and thats it! we who live in much more expensive countries etc cant really do that.

jonbull · « **Reply #57 on:** May 30, 2017, 12:55 »

Quote from: derek on May 30, 2017, 11:02

Quote from: jonbull on May 30, 2017, 09:27
Quote from: LDV81 on May 30, 2017, 09:22
I wonder what is going on, who is uploading all those millions of files... The trend is clear, earnings are shrinking, and yet people continue to produce stuff...
Flipping burgers must be more lucrative already for most, and as time goes by, all SS contributors will be better off spending their time flipping burgers than producing content.

The market growth is insignificant, and the image pool grows exponentially. What will happen later, when the value of an average file gets very close to zero?
Will most people stop to produce, will the collection growth slow down? Will freestock become the new microstock, or will macro make a comeback? Will the micros lack good fresh content, in let's say 3 years from now?

For what it's worth, I stopped spending money to produce new content months ago. It just doesn't make sense anymore.

i told you,...you want understand?
in ukraine russia producing content is costless....minimum salary is 150 dollar now in ukraine....imagine earning even 400 dollar producing 1000 costless content....or some vector, or space footage.....for many people who live in this country is better earn 400 doing this than go office for less money. this has attracted thousand of contributor from russia thailand ukraine, belarus, including now there are literally hundred of big house producing content financed by man whit money who don't even have a camera but have sense of business.
russia is full of forum of micro stock.

unluck all those commercial block against russia didn't stop the overflowing of content from that country

Thats it!! In Russia, Ukraine, Philipines, Poland 10 bucks a day goes a long way so they dont need to work too much but spend their time uploading, uploading and thats it! we who live in much more expensive countries etc cant really do that.

haha personally i love much more ukraine than my europe country...affordable nature lot of girl:) but anybody has its priority...i'm not married i earn enough for my live...

sarah2 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 31, 2017, 01:59 »

It seems a bit like when you are approaching a new payment level......things slow down and it takes longer than you thought.
I'm top tier and approaching another milestone. And downloads have reduced to a drip......

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #59 on:** May 31, 2017, 02:17 »

Quote from: sarah2 on May 31, 2017, 01:59

It seems a bit like when you are approaching a new payment level......things slow down and it takes longer than you thought.
I'm top tier and approaching another milestone. And downloads have reduced to a drip......

If you're top tier what milestone is there that would matter to SS?

sarah2 · « **Reply #60 on:** May 31, 2017, 03:09 »

Agree to a degree. Just saying. It's odd. Frustrating. Maybe a marker in an algorithm somewhere...who knows.....
Anyway, things are suddenly terrible. Off a cliff. Back to 2013. When I had lots less pics.

jonbull · « **Reply #61 on:** May 31, 2017, 11:10 »

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/BBQ-food-photography-tips

bye the way...food photography 5 russian ukraine photographer listed...

if you carefully watch their portfolio...they simply are a copy cat of each other, mostly shooting top view photography, and they are copy cat of other photographer...mostly stuff seen thousand of time, mostly the same photos...practically zero recipe apart some meats and vegetables.
totally a 30000 images pretty similar of food who costed what? 2000 3000 dollar in complex to produce?
multiply this for at least another 10000 contributor from russia and u make 2 3 million food photos of the same stuff, some light, same top view....practically zero recipe cause they can't cook nothing.
the same happen for lifestyle..10000 russian producing same stuff, with mediocre creativity, what 1000000 million images?
let's forget travel?
they end up with an agency of russian contributor with model with typical face feature of that part of the world only.

Lukeruk · « **Reply #62 on:** May 31, 2017, 12:11 »

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 11:10

bye the way...

Very good photos.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #63 on:** May 31, 2017, 12:31 »

Quote from: Lukeruk on May 31, 2017, 12:11

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 11:10

bye the way...

Very good photos.

Except the sausage with the fiendishly blown highlights. They are all of the same style, though.

jonbull · « **Reply #64 on:** May 31, 2017, 12:35 »

Quote from: Lukeruk on May 31, 2017, 12:11

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 11:10

bye the way...

Very good photos.

for who?
for u? maybe for m mediocre i we talk about serious food photography.

http://stockfood.com

here u can see very good professional food photography.
these guy produce amateur photos of food, that cost nothin, penny.
i can go to supermarket and replicate all their portfolio in a week, as most of them simply do this, replicate somebody else portfolio.

jonbull · « **Reply #65 on:** May 31, 2017, 12:39 »

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #66 on:** May 31, 2017, 12:58 »

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 12:35

for u? maybe for m mediocre i we talk about serious food photography.

http://stockfood.com

here u can see very good professional food photography.
these guy produce amateur photos of food, that cost nothin, penny.
i can go to supermarket and replicate all their portfolio in a week, as most of them simply do this, replicate somebody else portfolio.

Firstly, microstock is meant to be a cheap alternative to high-end stock photography.
Secondly, although most of that stockfood stuff is very good indeed you don't have to go very far into it to find the occasional rubbish shot.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #67 on:** May 31, 2017, 22:08 »

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 11:10

they end up with an agency of russian contributor with model with typical face feature of that part of the world only.

A photographer that only shoots models from their part of the world?! How dare they... it just sickens me. You think they'd at least have the common courtesy to fly people in from different parts of the world. What have we come to as a society when I'm forced to look at images and footage of people from different parts of the world... it's just not right.

Minsc · « **Reply #68 on:** May 31, 2017, 22:31 »

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 11:10

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/BBQ-food-photography-tips

bye the way...food photography 5 russian ukraine photographer listed...

if you carefully watch their portfolio...they simply are a copy cat of each other, mostly shooting top view photography, and they are copy cat of other photographer...mostly stuff seen thousand of time, mostly the same photos...practically zero recipe apart some meats and vegetables.
totally a 30000 images pretty similar of food who costed what? 2000 3000 dollar in complex to produce?
multiply this for at least another 10000 contributor from russia and u make 2 3 million food photos of the same stuff, some light, same top view....practically zero recipe cause they can't cook nothing.
the same happen for lifestyle..10000 russian producing same stuff, with mediocre creativity, what 1000000 million images?
let's forget travel?
they end up with an agency of russian contributor with model with typical face feature of that part of the world only.

It doesn't matter where they're from. Nearly every photo is somewhat identical to another. Portraits? Seen the same poses hundreds of times. Food? Same. Fruits & Vegetables? Same isolated images. Travel? Already saw 100 shots of the same angle of the Statue of Liberty. Healthcare? I've seen over 10,000 photos with doctors treating patients. How about a email icon? Seen that 100,000 times already.

There is very little uniqueness these days. Even Apple is copying everyone and everything. What's important is that you have to do it better than everyone else. If you have such unique stuff, you should be doing fine instead of complaining about contributors from all over the world.

jonbull · « **Reply #69 on:** June 01, 2017, 07:42 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 31, 2017, 22:08

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 11:10
they end up with an agency of russian contributor with model with typical face feature of that part of the world only.

A photographer that only shoots models from their part of the world?! How dare they... it just sickens me. You think they'd at least have the common courtesy to fly people in from different parts of the world. What have we come to as a society when I'm forced to look at images and footage of people from different parts of the world... it's just not right.

I didnt say this...but is impossible to talkwith spaceman. I said that in some year to find a lifestyle of good quality with an american man typical you will need to go throug 100 million of photo of russian man. And cause i live in this part of the world, yes the man have different face than italy or france.

jonbull · « **Reply #70 on:** June 01, 2017, 07:46 »

Quote from: Minsc on May 31, 2017, 22:31

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 11:10
https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/BBQ-food-photography-tips

bye the way...food photography 5 russian ukraine photographer listed...

if you carefully watch their portfolio...they simply are a copy cat of each other, mostly shooting top view photography, and they are copy cat of other photographer...mostly stuff seen thousand of time, mostly the same photos...practically zero recipe apart some meats and vegetables.
totally a 30000 images pretty similar of food who costed what? 2000 3000 dollar in complex to produce?
multiply this for at least another 10000 contributor from russia and u make 2 3 million food photos of the same stuff, some light, same top view....practically zero recipe cause they can't cook nothing.
the same happen for lifestyle..10000 russian producing same stuff, with mediocre creativity, what 1000000 million images?
let's forget travel?
they end up with an agency of russian contributor with model with typical face feature of that part of the world only.

It doesn't matter where they're from. Nearly every photo is somewhat identical to another. Portraits? Seen the same poses hundreds of times. Food? Same. Fruits & Vegetables? Same isolated images. Travel? Already saw 100 shots of the same angle of the Statue of Liberty. Healthcare? I've seen over 10,000 photos with doctors treating patients. How about a email icon? Seen that 100,000 times already.

There is very little uniqueness these days. Even Apple is copying everyone and everything. What's important is that you have to do it better than everyone else. If you have such unique stuff, you should be doing fine instead of complaining about contributors from all over the world.

It matters. Becauese if u need 500 dollar to survive u can produce millions junks evry day, and spam with 1000 portrait.
Spam has begun in eastern europe in any category. Thats why we pass from 12 million images to 150. I produce good stuff but it ss bjried by this crap coming mostly, are u happy, from russia thailand and ukraine. I did a sport theme session last week, after i uploaded in less than 24 hours it was buried in page 12 , in the first 12 pages 90% of photos were made by russian ukraine belarus thai photographer. So if u dont have lucj to sell the filein the moment u got accepted u need years for him to be discovered

jonbull · « **Reply #71 on:** June 01, 2017, 07:47 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 31, 2017, 22:08

Quote from: jonbull on May 31, 2017, 11:10
they end up with an agency of russian contributor with model with typical face feature of that part of the world only.

A photographer that only shoots models from their part of the world?! How dare they... it just sickens me. You think they'd at least have the common courtesy to fly people in from different parts of the world. What have we come to as a society when I'm forced to look at images and footage of people from different parts of the world... it's just not right.

I said this? U rae not a phtog understand? Why you talk of somthing u dont understand?

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #72 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:07 »

Quote from: sarah2 on May 30, 2017, 09:34

Not all of us have access to spacemen etc. Unfortunately.

Actually, you do. It's all public domain from NASA.

jonbull · « **Reply #73 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:09 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:07

Quote from: sarah2 on May 30, 2017, 09:34
Not all of us have access to spacemen etc. Unfortunately.

Actually, you do. It's all public domain from NASA.

Yes?

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #74 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:10 »

I can't be the only one who doesn't find it strange that there are lots of contributors from the 9th biggest population in the world?

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #75 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:10 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:09

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:07
Quote from: sarah2 on May 30, 2017, 09:34
Not all of us have access to spacemen etc. Unfortunately.

Actually, you do. It's all public domain from NASA.

Yes?

Yes.

jonbull · « **Reply #76 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:20 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:10

I can't be the only one who doesn't find it strange that there are lots of contributors from the 9th biggest population in the world?

so we shouldnt complain that with 150 milion file is difficult to sell....bevause of 150 million more than half come from there, thats the point.
So why there are so few indian and china contriboutor, 3 billion people.

jonbull · « **Reply #77 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:22 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:10

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:09
Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:07
Quote from: sarah2 on May 30, 2017, 09:34
Not all of us have access to spacemen etc. Unfortunately.

Actually, you do. It's all public domain from NASA.

Yes?

Yes.

Now i will pay some designer in kiev, 300 dollar could be enough for them for months, to investigate this and produce content, this niche seems unspoilt.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #78 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:27 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:20

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:10
I can't be the only one who doesn't find it strange that there are lots of contributors from the 9th biggest population in the world?
so we shouldnt complain that with 150 milion file is difficult to sell....bevause of 150 million more than half come from there, thats the point.
So why there are so few indian and china contriboutor, 3 billion people.

You can complain all you want. What's the point? Close down the internet?

You live with the global competition or you find something else to do.

In China large parts of the internet are closed and they have Chinese copies of almost every big website.

I see plenty of Indian contributors.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #79 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:28 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:22

Now i will pay some designer in kiev, 300 dollar could be enough for them for months, to investigate this and produce content, this niche seems unspoilt.

Could be a good plan until they find out they would make 10 times more selling it directly themselves.

jonbull · « **Reply #80 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:39 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:28

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:22
Now i will pay some designer in kiev, 300 dollar could be enough for them for months, to investigate this and produce content, this niche seems unspoilt.

Could be a good plan until they find out they would make 10 times more selling it directly themselves.

well it depends.
many russian and ukraine big house employ a lot of designer and photographer.
many prefer money fixed and not risk zero.

jonbull · « **Reply #81 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:42 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:27

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:20
Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:10
I can't be the only one who doesn't find it strange that there are lots of contributors from the 9th biggest population in the world?
so we shouldnt complain that with 150 milion file is difficult to sell....bevause of 150 million more than half come from there, thats the point.
So why there are so few indian and china contriboutor, 3 billion people.

You can complain all you want. What's the point? Close down the internet?

You live with the global competition or you find something else to do.

In China large parts of the internet are closed and they have Chinese copies of almost every big website.

I see plenty of Indian contributors.

so we can close this forum.....s not about complaint. is about reality. indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.
i have a raise in earning this year, i simply underline that for some category, food and lifestyle is difficult to to spamming of images.
persoanlly i hope we go back to strictly limit of uploading and control of quality.
personally i have already decide to go their way. produce thousand of files, where it cost penny, use talents in these country in those category i dont' have skill, like design and animation.
i have already a business plan, and all the people. i will employ 12 people from september, whose salary will cost no more than 2 skilled designer in america probably. at the beginning will cost a bit in terms of investment, but it will repay easy, and for me is the only way to earn good money, who are not 2000 dollar month.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #82 on:** June 01, 2017, 08:56 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:42

indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.

Source?

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I agree with raising review level.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #83 on:** June 01, 2017, 09:56 »

Quote from: derek on May 30, 2017, 11:02

Thats it!! In Russia, Ukraine, Philipines, Poland 10 bucks a day goes a long way so they dont need to work too much but spend their time uploading, uploading and thats it! we who live in much more expensive countries etc cant really do that.

Russia is nowhere near as cheap as you think. Maybe do a bit of research? $10 doesn't get you far in Russia and you won't get by for an hour in Moscow.

Clothing and shoes are much more expensive in Russia for example, just like most countries compared to the US.

jonbull · « **Reply #84 on:** June 01, 2017, 12:33 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 09:56

Quote from: derek on May 30, 2017, 11:02
Thats it!! In Russia, Ukraine, Philipines, Poland 10 bucks a day goes a long way so they dont need to work too much but spend their time uploading, uploading and thats it! we who live in much more expensive countries etc cant really do that.

Russia is nowhere near as cheap as you think. Maybe do a bit of research? $10 doesn't get you far in Russia and you won't get by for an hour in Moscow.

Clothing and shoes are much more expensive in Russia for example, just like most countries compared to the US.

agave you been there? 10 not but 30 yes...also a lot of russian live with 5 600 dollar...so according to you they star ve...russia is not moscow.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #85 on:** June 01, 2017, 13:45 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:42

indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.

Source?

jonbull · « **Reply #86 on:** June 01, 2017, 14:46 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 13:45

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:42
indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.

Source?

its a feeling considering that i struggle to find indian producer with more than 50000 images. there is a page with a list per country .
have you been to russia?

jonbull · « **Reply #87 on:** June 01, 2017, 14:52 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 13:45

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:42
indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.

Source?

considering that one producer from ukraine account for 120000 images...probably near all the indian production

jonbull · « **Reply #88 on:** June 01, 2017, 14:53 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 14:52

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 13:45
Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:42
indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.

Source?

considering that one producer from ukraine account for 1200000 images...probably near all the indian production

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #89 on:** June 01, 2017, 15:06 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 14:46

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 13:45
Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:42
indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.

Source?

its a feeling considering that i struggle to find indian producer with more than 50000 images. there is a page with a list per country .
have you been to russia?

You're just throwing out random numbers based on feelings... That is beyond pointless.

I have not been to Russia but I have been here:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Russia&displayCurrency=USD

and here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Cost-of-living

sarah2 · « **Reply #90 on:** June 01, 2017, 15:14 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:10

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:09
Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 08:07
Quote from: sarah2 on May 30, 2017, 09:34
Not all of us have access to spacemen etc. Unfortunately.

Actually, you do. It's all public domain from NASA.

Yes?

Yes.

ok - you got me there!

jonbull · « **Reply #91 on:** June 01, 2017, 15:23 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 15:06

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 14:46
Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 13:45
Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:42
indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.

Source?

its a feeling considering that i struggle to find indian producer with more than 50000 images. there is a page with a list per country .
have you been to russia?

You're just throwing out random numbers based on feelings... That is beyond pointless.

I have not been to Russia but I have been here:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Russia&displayCurrency=USD

and here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Cost-of-living

still much less in ukraine and belarus, and still much less than europe. in addiction outside moscow th situation is much comparable to kiev than moscow.
sure not 10 dollar but 40 dollar day can easily let you live a good life, not a luxury one.
anyone i don't care talk with you. u are happy that from russia they upload 100 million file for year? good for u.

jonbull · « **Reply #92 on:** June 01, 2017, 15:29 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 15:06

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 14:46
Quote from: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2017, 13:45
Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 08:42
indian account for 0,5% of russia producer maybe even less.

Source?

its a feeling considering that i struggle to find indian producer with more than 50000 images. there is a page with a list per country .
have you been to russia?

You're just throwing out random numbers based on feelings... That is beyond pointless.

I have not been to Russia but I have been here:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Russia&displayCurrency=USD

and here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Cost-of-living

as we said in moscow is one thing , st petersburg is still good cry

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Chelyabinsk?displayCurrency=USD

chelbyank is home of the most famous house of production of russia, pressfoto, just to say, most of russian producer live outside moscow,

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   445.07 $

this is for a big industrial city...PANIMAISH? UNderstand=? how can u compete with people who are happy with 500 dollar to live according to statistic?
with 500 dollar i cannot even eat one month in europe.

Yekaterinburg

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Yekaterinburg?displayCurrency=USD

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   576.64 $

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Kiev?displayCurrency=USD

Kiev

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   281.52 $

understand genius?

Minsc · « **Reply #93 on:** June 01, 2017, 16:00 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 15:29

as we said in moscow is one thing , st petersburg is still good cry

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Chelyabinsk?displayCurrency=USD

chelbyank is home of the most famous house of production of russia, pressfoto, just to say, most of russian producer live outside moscow,

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   445.07 $

this is for a big industrial city...PANIMAISH? UNderstand=? how can u compete with people who are happy with 500 dollar to live according to statistic?
with 500 dollar i cannot even eat one month in europe.

Yekaterinburg

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Yekaterinburg?displayCurrency=USD

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   576.64 $

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Kiev?displayCurrency=USD

Kiev

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   281.52 $

understand genius?

That's great and all, but what is your point in all of this? It's not going to stop contributors from all over the world from uploading. Every new upload gets buried in the search results until someone start downloading it. That's the reality for every contributor, not just you. SS isn't made for just you, it's a platform for everyone.

Complaining about other contributors...and I think we have some Russian contributors here, isn't going to change anything. It won't make your images sell better or improve your search results. It accomplishes nothing.

jonbull · « **Reply #94 on:** June 01, 2017, 16:27 »

Quote from: Minsc on June 01, 2017, 16:00

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 15:29
as we said in moscow is one thing , st petersburg is still good cry

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Chelyabinsk?displayCurrency=USD

chelbyank is home of the most famous house of production of russia, pressfoto, just to say, most of russian producer live outside moscow,

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   445.07 $

this is for a big industrial city...PANIMAISH? UNderstand=? how can u compete with people who are happy with 500 dollar to live according to statistic?
with 500 dollar i cannot even eat one month in europe.

Yekaterinburg

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Yekaterinburg?displayCurrency=USD

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   576.64 $

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Kiev?displayCurrency=USD

Kiev

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)   281.52 $

understand genius?

That's great and all, but what is your point in all of this? It's not going to stop contributors from all over the world from uploading. Every new upload gets buried in the search results until someone start downloading it. That's the reality for every contributor, not just you. SS isn't made for just you, it's a platform for everyone.

Complaining about other contributors...and I think we have some Russian contributors here, isn't going to change anything. It won't make your images sell better or improve your search results. It accomplishes nothing.

we are trying to understand why zero download from somebody who never had this. this is one of the consideration that must be done. as i said i already spend most of year in a country of soviet era...paying low salary, producing like pressfoto, and hope to enjoy a new era of earning, in september i will open my house of producionat low cost.

Minsc · « **Reply #95 on:** June 01, 2017, 18:18 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 16:27

we are trying to understand why zero download from somebody who never had this. this is one of the consideration that must be done. as i said i already spend most of year in a country of soviet era...paying low salary, producing like pressfoto, and hope to enjoy a new era of earning, in september i will open my house of producionat low cost.

That's good for you. But what is there to understand? If someone gets 3 downloads the previous day and then get 0, the difference is only 3. If someone has 100 downloads a day and the next day is 0, then it's real problem.

There are 125 Million images on there. There's a lot of competition. The only thing we can all do is understand why our work doesn't sell as well as others and find ways to improve it.

sarah2 · « **Reply #96 on:** June 02, 2017, 01:00 »

I think most people recognize the extent of competition these days - from all over the world. The issue is how to respond. While we can do our best to do better/more and generally adapt, it is very hard to tell if a strategy is working, not least because of the huge quantity of images being submitted/accepted which bury new content.

And then a simple tweak to an algorithm can just wipe us out.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #97 on:** June 02, 2017, 02:50 »

Quote from: jonbull on June 01, 2017, 15:23

still much less in ukraine and belarus, and still much less than europe. in addiction outside moscow th situation is much comparable to kiev than moscow.
sure not 10 dollar but 40 dollar day can easily let you live a good life, not a luxury one.
anyone i don't care talk with you. u are happy that from russia they upload 100 million file for year? good for u.

I'm neither happy nor sad about it. It's a fact of life and I work with it.

Mosquitos and ticks exist. I'm not too happy about it but it's a fact of life and I live with it.

You can live (quite OK) on $40 per day in almost any country. In Sweden that's what students live (a bit less) on and they have quite a bit of money left over to party and travel...

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Average income and cost of living is NOT the same thing. Americans have a much higher average income compared to their cost of living, which means they have lots of extra money to consume things they don't need. That is not the case for Russia which means that online alternatives might be better for them.

We were discussing cost of living here. Not average income. They are not the same!

You also need to look at cheaper cities in the US then, like Memphis for example.

Things like gym membership and clothing are cheaper in Memphis. Even owning a car. Utilities same level. Only rent is significantly more expensive.

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