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« Reply #75 on: November 13, 2019, 19:28 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.


« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2019, 03:05 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2019, 08:12 »
+1
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.

7k after all expenses and taxes, and considering you need to calculate a profit for your ime....then the rest is for making a living and if you live in a country where tax is 50 % believe me if 1 2 k are left you are very good.....and we are talking about 84000 k dollar, now make calculation to sell only 0,38 cent, something that in the near future will be the norm considering that big sale are rare like water in desert....than you see that how many can live out of micro in western world country...sure gif you live in ukraine...zero cost tax 20 per cent or less...even 12 k per year can be very good.
run a business in a ny modern developed country you need minimum 50k. and if you have a family to feed believe me you will live pretty bad.

« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2019, 08:16 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.

« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2019, 12:50 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2019, 13:17 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

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« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2019, 17:13 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?


you should understand i foo photography for a living not for buy a pizza like you...maybe you will understand my strategy.....your strategy is zeo. you silly collect money from old file thanks to the fact that still ss favors old file...if they change this you will not even earn that pizza. simply.

« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2019, 17:14 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

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you wrote me already you don't earn nothing..so why spend all your time here trying to be an expert of something you are clearly a failure?

« Reply #83 on: November 15, 2019, 02:48 »
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Another good point.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2019, 10:18 by dooks »

« Reply #84 on: November 15, 2019, 04:44 »
+3
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?


you should understand i foo photography for a living not for buy a pizza like you...maybe you will understand my strategy.....your strategy is zeo. you silly collect money from old file thanks to the fact that still ss favors old file...if they change this you will not even earn that pizza. simply.
So the answer is to invest huge amounts to produce images for a market that you have said over and over is flooded with images? I may be a failure but I'm not a bankrupt one. If people stop buying my images overnight I will go and do something else with no debts to service.

« Reply #85 on: November 15, 2019, 05:00 »
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Since I started this thread, just an update - the new files still don't sell at all. It never happened before. Lately I shoot lifestyle with professional models and assistants, big investments, and the last thing I expected was zero sales.
On the other hand the same files are doing great at Adobe and Istock, I really can't figure out what's going on.
To JonBull - I really understand what you are trying to say and I agree whit the most of it and with your plans to move to Eastern countries. But, it is funny how people are never satisfied with what they already have, always being desperate for something that they don't have. Do you now how many eastern world people are dreaming about living in EU and US? Do you see these endless columns of migrants sleeping on the borders of Hungary and Croatia, waiting to sneak in EU for moths, sleeping under plastic tends without food and water? JonBull, people in your country are not doing microstock full time just because the production expenses are high, but because there are plenty other photography jobs  that are paid much more than microstock. In Eastern country a wedding photographer can earn like 500 EUR for a wedding and in Swiss, Austria or wherever you are - you can tell me. Maybe 1500 - 3000 EUR? Not to mention senior portrait, newborn photography, fashion, corporate and industrial, architecture, studio still life, commercials, video. Believe me, the ONLY reason I'm doing microstock full time here in Eastern country - is that I don't have any other serious option. If I were where you are, I would walk away from microstock in a second, I would start a serious photographer's business and I would build a stable reputation in a stable country. So, think twice before you make that big decision.

True. My new files aren't selling at all either, but they are not selling at AS either, so... I don't know what anymore, I was never big earner, but lately whatever I do, it is just getting worse. I was also thinking to invest in models and that would probably be last thing I tried to do for microstosck, but after your post, I am not so sure anymore.

And yes, I am living in Eastern Europe too, thinking of same thing wherever I am reading Jonbull's posts, but I am curiously waiting for him to move to Serbia or wherever and come back kicking and screaming. Young people or moving from Croatia in other EU countries like crazy because they don't see any perspective. I guess it is just worse in other countries.

« Reply #86 on: November 15, 2019, 16:53 »
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the list is pretty old, in 2 years everything has changed...actually since 2017 ss open the gate an flooding of images has began...f

https://www.fotolia.com/p/206713618


this is house poe production born after 2017, in less than 2 years and a bunch of months they added half million images, there are much more from serbia and russia....the scheme is simple ,saturated all market, take idea and copycat them using many photographer paid penny,m and good model paid 10 dollar hours maximum. light field has a fully functional studio with lot of room, you can rent for 10 dollar hour if you go kiev to produce.

i have seen many house of production lately are copycatting especially the style and idea of jacob lund.

Show me your data collection for 2019? You know, locations, number of artists, image totals for top 20 maybe?

Thanks for the filler on Andorra I never would have known. Here's some things I found which I'd say I still don't know much about Andorra. Andorra, according to the World Bank, is among top 15 countries with the highest GDP per capita. ... According to International living index, Andorra is a 12-th position in the world in terms of level and quality of life. Andorra is often considered as one of the safest countries in the world, and Andorra La Vella one of the safest European cities. The most used language is English, 38.8% of the Andorran population speak Catalan. To date, there are 516 Russians in Andorra. The immigration policy of the Principality is under control, and the number of immigrants is strictly quoted according to demands of the economy.

The link for "house poe production born after 2017" whatever that means, doesn't show anything. Got a link that works?  ;)

Reminder, true the location could be a lie and many accounts list no location. We don't know. This is simple the best information to indicate who has the largest accounts and where they are from. I don't know if SS actually checks the listed location. What I mean is, this is the best data available, if someone has better, please show us.

The data used for artists location was the 18,000 accounts that had over 1,000 images on SS at the time. Of course that could have changed, but the selection was designed to represent active contributors, not 300,000 accounts registered. (as an example, the number is now over 500,000)

But the question remains, show me your data, numbers and proof?

well don't have data but is pretty easy to see the influence of russia ukraine and serbia in  the database.. zillions of file...just search any lifestyle idea you will see the predominance of house of production born in eastern europe

the link is light field fotolia google it...it's from kiev in ukraine...450000 file in less than 2 years...they have many people working salary less than 600 dollar....model super cheap...try replicate it in usa. in serbia there is

https://shootset.com/search?p=22&sort=recommended&country=Serbia&radius=10

is a stock model agency...if you ever have browsed lifestyle content in fotolia with model release you will recognize thousand of photos with the same 10 20 model of this agency....
it's not that they love doing photos more than us...it's their cost areas cheap is still good to shoot lifestyle content....in italy good model cost 10 times the price i pay in ukraine....where i pay 10 dollarr hour and it's already much more than what many stocker from kiev pay.

In Serbia you pay 30$ for an average model but no model works for less than 20$ these days. Some with more experience have a wage as high as 65$/hr. So its pretty easy to see that an average set with 7-8 models will cost you around 1k. Not very expensive but not darn cheap either.

in serbia cost of life is one 4 of the rest of world...renting space is one tenth...model cost 30 dollar but you can find pretty darn good for 10 15 dollar.... it's not you or other serbian have more wish to shot is that you have cost 23 4 times inferior to the rest of the world...it's like producing cheap items in america or in china, it's not competitive for usa because cost are higher is the same....that'0s why most of house of production are in serbia russia and ukraine.
you have a portfolio that would have cost 5 times more than what you paid and you did in less than 2 3 year, try to work and produce such a portfolio in uk or italy ,, then you will see how much you would have earned and if you would have shot micro stock for living.....anyway next year i will move to belagreade for 2 months...already contacted many models from that agency and 30 dollar are for top notch model , other are happy with much less.

Jonbull do you mean 30, 10, 15 dollars per hour for models in Serbia?

« Reply #87 on: November 15, 2019, 17:19 »
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the list is pretty old, in 2 years everything has changed...actually since 2017 ss open the gate an flooding of images has began...f

https://www.fotolia.com/p/206713618


this is house poe production born after 2017, in less than 2 years and a bunch of months they added half million images, there are much more from serbia and russia....the scheme is simple ,saturated all market, take idea and copycat them using many photographer paid penny,m and good model paid 10 dollar hours maximum. light field has a fully functional studio with lot of room, you can rent for 10 dollar hour if you go kiev to produce.

i have seen many house of production lately are copycatting especially the style and idea of jacob lund.

Show me your data collection for 2019? You know, locations, number of artists, image totals for top 20 maybe?

Thanks for the filler on Andorra I never would have known. Here's some things I found which I'd say I still don't know much about Andorra. Andorra, according to the World Bank, is among top 15 countries with the highest GDP per capita. ... According to International living index, Andorra is a 12-th position in the world in terms of level and quality of life. Andorra is often considered as one of the safest countries in the world, and Andorra La Vella one of the safest European cities. The most used language is English, 38.8% of the Andorran population speak Catalan. To date, there are 516 Russians in Andorra. The immigration policy of the Principality is under control, and the number of immigrants is strictly quoted according to demands of the economy.

The link for "house poe production born after 2017" whatever that means, doesn't show anything. Got a link that works?  ;)

Reminder, true the location could be a lie and many accounts list no location. We don't know. This is simple the best information to indicate who has the largest accounts and where they are from. I don't know if SS actually checks the listed location. What I mean is, this is the best data available, if someone has better, please show us.

The data used for artists location was the 18,000 accounts that had over 1,000 images on SS at the time. Of course that could have changed, but the selection was designed to represent active contributors, not 300,000 accounts registered. (as an example, the number is now over 500,000)

But the question remains, show me your data, numbers and proof?

well don't have data but is pretty easy to see the influence of russia ukraine and serbia in  the database.. zillions of file...just search any lifestyle idea you will see the predominance of house of production born in eastern europe

the link is light field fotolia google it...it's from kiev in ukraine...450000 file in less than 2 years...they have many people working salary less than 600 dollar....model super cheap...try replicate it in usa. in serbia there is

https://shootset.com/search?p=22&sort=recommended&country=Serbia&radius=10

is a stock model agency...if you ever have browsed lifestyle content in fotolia with model release you will recognize thousand of photos with the same 10 20 model of this agency....
it's not that they love doing photos more than us...it's their cost areas cheap is still good to shoot lifestyle content....in italy good model cost 10 times the price i pay in ukraine....where i pay 10 dollarr hour and it's already much more than what many stocker from kiev pay.

In Serbia you pay 30$ for an average model but no model works for less than 20$ these days. Some with more experience have a wage as high as 65$/hr. So its pretty easy to see that an average set with 7-8 models will cost you around 1k. Not very expensive but not darn cheap either.

in serbia cost of life is one 4 of the rest of world...renting space is one tenth...model cost 30 dollar but you can find pretty darn good for 10 15 dollar.... it's not you or other serbian have more wish to shot is that you have cost 23 4 times inferior to the rest of the world...it's like producing cheap items in america or in china, it's not competitive for usa because cost are higher is the same....that'0s why most of house of production are in serbia russia and ukraine.
you have a portfolio that would have cost 5 times more than what you paid and you did in less than 2 3 year, try to work and produce such a portfolio in uk or italy ,, then you will see how much you would have earned and if you would have shot micro stock for living.....anyway next year i will move to belagreade for 2 months...already contacted many models from that agency and 30 dollar are for top notch model , other are happy with much less.

Jonbull do you mean 30, 10, 15 dollars per hour for models in Serbia?

from 10 to 30 dollar very good model. in ukraine 10 12 is enough , i was even quoted 15 from an agency for new faces..russia outside moscow is the same. but if you have good instagram you will be easily a requested photographer from lot of young teenager ready to improve their skill and have a bunch of photo for their instagram.. and believe me most of the time from model to non model the difference is minimal. they have a natural attitude in fronton camera written in dna.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #88 on: November 16, 2019, 09:55 »
+1
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

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you wrote me already you don't earn nothing..so why spend all your time here trying to be an expert of something you are clearly a failure?

I think he's writing to you Pauws, I'm a verified Veteran and certified Expert.  ;) Hard to tell what JB is writing about most of the time.

« Reply #89 on: November 16, 2019, 10:12 »
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the list is pretty old, in 2 years everything has changed...actually since 2017 ss open the gate an flooding of images has began...f

https://www.fotolia.com/p/206713618


this is house poe production born after 2017, in less than 2 years and a bunch of months they added half million images, there are much more from serbia and russia....the scheme is simple ,saturated all market, take idea and copycat them using many photographer paid penny,m and good model paid 10 dollar hours maximum. light field has a fully functional studio with lot of room, you can rent for 10 dollar hour if you go kiev to produce.

i have seen many house of production lately are copycatting especially the style and idea of jacob lund.

Show me your data collection for 2019? You know, locations, number of artists, image totals for top 20 maybe?

Thanks for the filler on Andorra I never would have known. Here's some things I found which I'd say I still don't know much about Andorra. Andorra, according to the World Bank, is among top 15 countries with the highest GDP per capita. ... According to International living index, Andorra is a 12-th position in the world in terms of level and quality of life. Andorra is often considered as one of the safest countries in the world, and Andorra La Vella one of the safest European cities. The most used language is English, 38.8% of the Andorran population speak Catalan. To date, there are 516 Russians in Andorra. The immigration policy of the Principality is under control, and the number of immigrants is strictly quoted according to demands of the economy.

The link for "house poe production born after 2017" whatever that means, doesn't show anything. Got a link that works?  ;)

Reminder, true the location could be a lie and many accounts list no location. We don't know. This is simple the best information to indicate who has the largest accounts and where they are from. I don't know if SS actually checks the listed location. What I mean is, this is the best data available, if someone has better, please show us.

The data used for artists location was the 18,000 accounts that had over 1,000 images on SS at the time. Of course that could have changed, but the selection was designed to represent active contributors, not 300,000 accounts registered. (as an example, the number is now over 500,000)

But the question remains, show me your data, numbers and proof?

well don't have data but is pretty easy to see the influence of russia ukraine and serbia in  the database.. zillions of file...just search any lifestyle idea you will see the predominance of house of production born in eastern europe

the link is light field fotolia google it...it's from kiev in ukraine...450000 file in less than 2 years...they have many people working salary less than 600 dollar....model super cheap...try replicate it in usa. in serbia there is

https://shootset.com/search?p=22&sort=recommended&country=Serbia&radius=10

is a stock model agency...if you ever have browsed lifestyle content in fotolia with model release you will recognize thousand of photos with the same 10 20 model of this agency....
it's not that they love doing photos more than us...it's their cost areas cheap is still good to shoot lifestyle content....in italy good model cost 10 times the price i pay in ukraine....where i pay 10 dollarr hour and it's already much more than what many stocker from kiev pay.

In Serbia you pay 30$ for an average model but no model works for less than 20$ these days. Some with more experience have a wage as high as 65$/hr. So its pretty easy to see that an average set with 7-8 models will cost you around 1k. Not very expensive but not darn cheap either.

in serbia cost of life is one 4 of the rest of world...renting space is one tenth...model cost 30 dollar but you can find pretty darn good for 10 15 dollar.... it's not you or other serbian have more wish to shot is that you have cost 23 4 times inferior to the rest of the world...it's like producing cheap items in america or in china, it's not competitive for usa because cost are higher is the same....that'0s why most of house of production are in serbia russia and ukraine.
you have a portfolio that would have cost 5 times more than what you paid and you did in less than 2 3 year, try to work and produce such a portfolio in uk or italy ,, then you will see how much you would have earned and if you would have shot micro stock for living.....anyway next year i will move to belagreade for 2 months...already contacted many models from that agency and 30 dollar are for top notch model , other are happy with much less.

Jonbull do you mean 30, 10, 15 dollars per hour for models in Serbia?

from 10 to 30 dollar very good model. in ukraine 10 12 is enough , i was even quoted 15 from an agency for new faces..russia outside moscow is the same. but if you have good instagram you will be easily a requested photographer from lot of young teenager ready to improve their skill and have a bunch of photo for their instagram.. and believe me most of the time from model to non model the difference is minimal. they have a natural attitude in fronton camera written in dna.
Jonbull Prices you mention sound reasonable. I will try to contact some models for a couple of concepts I have in mind. Belgrade is not far from where I currently live - about one and a half hour flight. If financial terms end up positive, I can either fly to Belgrade or bring models to my location offering them an 8 day free vacation in an sea side airbnb villa with modern facilities including a pool, in exchange of their time - 5-6 hours photoshoot a day. TFV (time for vacation - flights included).  Will calculate costs and see if I should proceed or not.

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« Reply #90 on: November 16, 2019, 10:18 »
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Jonbull Prices you mention sound reasonable. I will try to contact some models for a couple of concepts I have in mind. Belgrade is not far from where I currently live - about one and a half hour flight. If financial terms end up positive, I can either fly to Belgrade or bring models to my location offering them an 8 day free vacation in an sea side airbnb villa with modern facilities including a pool, in exchange of their time - 5-6 hours photoshoot a day. TFV (time for vacation - flights included).  Will calculate costs and see if I should proceed or not.

Sorry to clip out some of the irrelevant parts. Maybe you should also calculate the earnings from those photos, not just the expenses? If you can make back your investment, time, money, everything in two years, that's not a bad plan. (except you already have the equipment and software, so you don't need to include that in a single project prediction?)

What's your return for 8 days and 40 to 48 hours of shooting. You should count your personal time editing and uploading as an expense.

How much profit do you expect?

« Reply #91 on: November 16, 2019, 14:02 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

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you wrote me already you don't earn nothing..so why spend all your time here trying to be an expert of something you are clearly a failure?

I think he's writing to you Pauws, I'm a verified Veteran and certified Expert.  ;) Hard to tell what JB is writing about most of the time.

you don't have a clue about micro..believe me you are expert maybe in your condominium.


« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2019, 14:05 »
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if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

+++++++++++++++++

you wrote me already you don't earn nothing..so why spend all your time here trying to be an expert of something you are clearly a failure?

I think he's writing to you Pauws, I'm a verified Veteran and certified Expert.  ;) Hard to tell what JB is writing about most of the time.
ok great expert.

« Reply #93 on: November 16, 2019, 15:26 »
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Jonbull Prices you mention sound reasonable. I will try to contact some models for a couple of concepts I have in mind. Belgrade is not far from where I currently live - about one and a half hour flight. If financial terms end up positive, I can either fly to Belgrade or bring models to my location offering them an 8 day free vacation in an sea side airbnb villa with modern facilities including a pool, in exchange of their time - 5-6 hours photoshoot a day. TFV (time for vacation - flights included).  Will calculate costs and see if I should proceed or not.

Sorry to clip out some of the irrelevant parts. Maybe you should also calculate the earnings from those photos, not just the expenses? If you can make back your investment, time, money, everything in two years, that's not a bad plan. (except you already have the equipment and software, so you don't need to include that in a single project prediction?)

What's your return for 8 days and 40 to 48 hours of shooting. You should count your personal time editing and uploading as an expense.

How much profit do you expect?
Hello Pete,
You are absolutely right. It is mandatory all aspects of such a project must be taken in consideration to avoid unpleasant financial end results; however I cannot really predict the sales potential each image has. But I can say I am often surprised with repeating good sales coming from some of my older or/and newer images I thought did not have that much sales potential.
Of course I have the equipment and software. I do the editing, keywording etc by myself, and upload in small batches.

In regard to the prospective projects with the Serbian models, I find the idea of flying them over to my location best, as I have the experience of a photoshoot I did four years ago using the same approach. The models for that photoshoot were from Romania young couple (male-female), no professional models. Six days creating stock photos in various concepts. Only difference: No villa. Offered them full board accommodation in a beach hotel plus flights. Photoshoot took place on the beach, mountains, parks, sports grounds and in the city. Everything worked fine. They were happy and I was content with the results and the financial outcome of this job. Many of those images did not sell at all. Some had random sales and faded away, but there are a small number of those images that sell nearly every single day since they were uploaded. Those few images are the ones that have returned the cost of the photoshoot several times back to me and still working with very good results. To be honest when I started that project I was not sure I would make my money back.
So I am kind of optimistic for this new photoshoot possibility. But that does not mean that I will make my money back in this case. Will see.

« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2019, 01:56 »
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... sorry, but this is going to wrong direction... looks like pure exploitation...

« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2019, 10:30 »
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... sorry, but this is going to wrong direction... looks like pure exploitation...

exploatation for what? do you think with your earning you could live in a first world economy country?
if serbian are shooting in mass micro stock like ukraine and russia is only beach cost are nonexistent and cost of life is 3 4 times less than any modern country...it's like china who sell products for peanuts because they have cost of production ridiculous. if a model cost 10 dollar per hour in serbia is because cost of life there is proportioned to the cost of living, there is any exploration...the problem is that i got paid 38 cent if i pay 10 dollar a model or 100 dollar per hour...so you understand that if i want to keep business running i need to go where cost of production is low...is the same as delocalization of production from modern country to country where salary are much lower....fiatproduce car in serbia not because serbian are better worker simply because serbian got paid one third of italian, same for renault ,volskwagen....

« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2019, 10:31 »
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... sorry, but this is going to wrong direction... looks like pure exploitation...

exploatation for what? do you think with your earning you could live in a first world economy country?
if serbian are shooting in mass micro stock like ukraine and russia is only beach cost are nonexistent and cost of life is 3 4 times less than any modern country...it's like china who sell products for peanuts because they have cost of production ridiculous. if a model cost 10 dollar per hour in serbia is because salary  there is proportioned to the cost of living, there is any exploration...the problem is that i got paid 38 cent  if i pay 10 dollar a model and the same if i pay  100 dollar per hour...so you understand that if i want to keep business running i need to go where cost of production is low...is the same as delocalization of production from modern country to country where salary are much lower....fiat produce car in serbia not because serbian are better worker simply because serbian got paid one third of italian, same for renault ,volskwagen....

« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2019, 11:30 »
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If you are going to open agency(facilities like Fiat in Serbia) for at least 10 years than your words make sense... if you are going for a weekend or month and say publicly that 10-12USD is enough, then your posts have other connotations... people from Serbia are naturally beautiful in general, it`s not their fault that you have to pay much more elsewhere for a model and earn for life by shooting microstock...

« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2019, 11:44 »
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If you are going to open agency(facilities like Fiat in Serbia) for at least 10 years than your words make sense... if you are going for a weekend or month and say publicly that 10-12USD is enough, then your posts have other connotations... people from Serbia are naturally beautiful in general, it`s not their fault that you have to pay much more elsewhere for a model and earn for life by shooting microstock...

what connotations. sorry ..i repeat most of serbian contributor , like you, will starve in any country. and will probably won't shot micro stock ever...if i  find a business opportunity i take. pay 10 dollar per hour in serbia is not exploitation at all....actually i pay much more than a worker in a fabric take or at least near some good office position.

10 12 doler is a lot compared to a lot fo people working 8 hour 6 dos a week in serbia, that's why model are happy, actually they are happy with 15 dollar...nd3000 who wrote before built up a successful business in 3 years shooting model in serbia as he said, probably paying even less in the past. that's it. 

« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2019, 11:50 »
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https://checkinprice.com/average-minimum-salary-belgrade-serbia/

so in a country where minimum salary is 270 euro, and probably outside belgrade is half of that, if i pay somebody 50 dollar for 4 5 hours of work is not enough.


 

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