Author Topic: Agree not agree (Read 31819 times)

Pauws99 · « **on:** June 09, 2015, 15:11 »

I've been looking at a few threads today and noticed a lot of "Disagree" negatives for people asking simple question or reporting facts. Shouldn't as a community be encouraging people rather than coming across as a bunch of know it all miserable gits who don't want to help or encourage anyone to join our exclusive club of self appointed experts?

cthoman · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2015, 15:31 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 09, 2015, 15:11

I've been looking at a few threads today and noticed a lot of "Disagree" negatives for people asking simple question or reporting facts. Shouldn't as a community be encouraging people rather than coming across as a bunch of know it all miserable gits who don't want to help or encourage anyone to join our exclusive club of self appointed experts?

If that worked, then I'd definitely spend more time being disagreeable. They keep joining anyway though.

cathyslife · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2015, 15:47 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 09, 2015, 15:11

I've been looking at a few threads today and noticed a lot of "Disagree" negatives for people asking simple question or reporting facts. Shouldn't as a community be encouraging people rather than coming across as a bunch of know it all miserable gits who don't want to help or encourage anyone to join our exclusive club of self appointed experts?

Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they are being a know-it-all. If someone said "I had a great day today on SS" I would have to disagree, because I am NOT having a great day on SS. That doesn't mean I begrudge the person for having a great day. Does everyone in your life always agree with you? I thought not.

tickstock · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2015, 15:55 »

The whole thing should be scrapped, it doesn't belong on a forum for professionals (which this claims to be).

PixelBytes · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2015, 15:58 »

Quote from: tickstock on June 09, 2015, 15:55

The whole thing should be scrapped, it doesn't belong on a forum for professionals (which this claims to be).

100% agree on that.

fotografer · « **Reply #5 on:** June 09, 2015, 16:31 »

I think most people have got used to having a 'like' button like on fb and often just want to put if they agree or don't without having to type anything. I don't know why people get so worked up over such a trivial thing. If you don't like it ignore it, some people enjoy the feature.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2015, 16:37 »

You can disagree with a statement but I dont see how you can disagree with a fact.

To use Cathy's example, if someone said I had a good day on SS, how can I disagree with that? That person had a good day, what is there to disagree with? If they said today was a good day on SS I could disagree. I guess its down to semantics.

Anyway, the disagreements in this thread just dont make sense at all. How does one agree with a question? Or someone expressing their feeling?
http://www.microstockgroup.com/alamy-com/payment-25200/msg421311/?topicseen#msg421311

How does this make sense: What time does the train leave tomorrow? I disagree!

Pauws99 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2015, 17:22 »

"I got the email telling me my payment was due and my account is now zeroed - no paypal payment received yet - is this a normal waiting time? thanks"

How in any logical sense can anyone agree or disagree with the above?

PixelBytes · « **Reply #8 on:** June 09, 2015, 17:25 »

Though clearly not the original intent, I think a lot of the above examples of downvotes are less about disagreement and more about STFU.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 09, 2015, 17:31 »

"Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they are being a know-it-all. If someone said "I had a great day today on SS" I would have to disagree, because I am NOT having a great day on SS."

NO!!! they are still having a great day If I said it was raining here would you disagree if it wasn't raining on the other side of the world?

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #10 on:** June 09, 2015, 17:34 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 09, 2015, 17:25

Though clearly not the original intent, I think a lot of the above examples of downvotes are less about disagreement and more about STFU.

I agree, what a great community. It looked like it had settled down a bit lately, I suppose you cant kill weed.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 09, 2015, 17:36 »

Yep I'm writing lots now just to annoy people

Me · « **Reply #12 on:** June 09, 2015, 23:45 »

I guess you can disagree with a "fact" if you don't believe it is a fact. How do I know that your BDE is your BDE and you are not just posting that to wind people up that are moaning about dwindling sales?

Someone saying something doesn't make it so.

leaf · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2015, 00:14 »

it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended. People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed. Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things. The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

Fatmanphoto · « **Reply #14 on:** June 10, 2015, 01:37 »

Quote from: cathyslife on June 09, 2015, 15:47

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 09, 2015, 15:11
I've been looking at a few threads today and noticed a lot of "Disagree" negatives for people asking simple question or reporting facts. Shouldn't as a community be encouraging people rather than coming across as a bunch of know it all miserable gits who don't want to help or encourage anyone to join our exclusive club of self appointed experts?

Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they are being a know-it-all. If someone said "I had a great day today on SS" I would have to disagree, because I am NOT having a great day on SS. That doesn't mean I begrudge the person for having a great day. Does everyone in your life always agree with you? I thought not.

It is a pet hate of mine, so I will bloody mindedly disagree with anyone on the internet who poses a rhetorical question and then either answer or assume the answer themselves.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 10, 2015, 02:47 »

Quote from: Fatmanphoto on June 10, 2015, 01:37

Quote from: cathyslife on June 09, 2015, 15:47
Quote from: Pauws99 on June 09, 2015, 15:11
I've been looking at a few threads today and noticed a lot of "Disagree" negatives for people asking simple question or reporting facts. Shouldn't as a community be encouraging people rather than coming across as a bunch of know it all miserable gits who don't want to help or encourage anyone to join our exclusive club of self appointed experts?

Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they are being a know-it-all. If someone said "I had a great day today on SS" I would have to disagree, because I am NOT having a great day on SS. That doesn't mean I begrudge the person for having a great day. Does everyone in your life always agree with you? I thought not.

It is a pet hate of mine, so I will bloody mindedly disagree with anyone on the internet who poses a rhetorical question and then either answer or assume the answer themselves.

And how does this help anyone or add value? Perhaps if you feel this is bad practice you should say so and why? Personally I think its overly pedantic

Pauws99 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 10, 2015, 02:52 »

Actually I quite like getting a few - ves if I put an OPINION it usually means I'm on to something! but its just irritating when you see them where someone is asking a question or stating a fact.

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #17 on:** June 10, 2015, 03:01 »

Pauws99, It's called Democracy! :-)

http://www.microstockgroup.com/selling-direct/give-me-a-like-on-my-facebook-page-)/msg419134/#msg419134

StockPhotosArt.com · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2015, 03:30 »

Quote from: leaf on June 10, 2015, 00:14

it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended. People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed. Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things. The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

I complete agree with this option. It's better to have things on the positive side. If someone says something that others consider interesting, than that's what should be highlighted (already is).

If someone says something that others do not agree, then let them disagree by expressing their opinion, hopefully with good arguments contributing to the discussion.

The Disagree button ends up being used too many times as a personal vendetta against a member, and not as a reaction to what has been written. Without knowing why other people disagree, sometimes regarding a basic question, it's easy to get offended.

I'm in favor to keep things positive and minimize the risks of conflict, which in a forum is an "hourly" issue.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2015, 03:39 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 10, 2015, 03:01

Pauws99, It's called Democracy! :-)

http://www.microstockgroup.com/selling-direct/give-me-a-like-on-my-facebook-page-)/msg419134/#msg419134

No its called free speech nothing to do with Democracy

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2015, 03:47 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 10, 2015, 03:39

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 10, 2015, 03:01
Pauws99, It's called Democracy! :-)

http://www.microstockgroup.com/selling-direct/give-me-a-like-on-my-facebook-page-)/msg419134/#msg419134

No its called free speech nothing to do with Democracy

MSG is called a democracy because power resides not in a few people but in the majority of our members.

http://www.speakerscornertrust.org/library/about-free-speech/free-speech-and-democracy/

cathyslife · « **Reply #21 on:** June 10, 2015, 06:01 »

Quote from: leaf on June 10, 2015, 00:14

it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended. People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed. Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things. The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

I disagree.

I know the disagree button is sometimes used as a vendetta, I have experienced that myself. But I knew who was giving the minuses and why they were. Even though it seemed childish, they have the right to feel how they feel. It doesn't change who I am or how I feel.

I disagree with a lot of things and use the button to say so, but there isn't any point in posting why I disagreed, because most times, someone else has already posted my answer. If there isn't a disagree button, there are going to be tons of posts, all saying the same thing.

People will find some way to express their disapproval or hate, as evidenced by the number of arguments that ensue in just about every thread. I look at it in the opposite way...I think it's better to have 10 disagree minus signs on a post than it is to have 10 arguing, egotistical rants. Just my opinion.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #22 on:** June 10, 2015, 07:49 »

Quote from: cathyslife on June 10, 2015, 06:01

Quote from: leaf on June 10, 2015, 00:14
it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended. People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed. Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things. The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

I disagree. I know the disagree button is sometimes used as a vendetta, I have experienced that myself. But I knew who was giving the minuses and why they were. Even though it seemed childish, they have the right to feel how they feel. It doesn't change who I am or how I feel.

I disagree with a lot of things and use the button to say so, but there isn't any point in posting why I disagreed, because most times, someone else has already posted my answer. If there isn't a disagree button, there are going to be tons of posts, all saying the same thing.

People will find some way to express their disapproval or hate, as evidenced by the number of arguments that ensue in just about every thread. I look at it in the opposite way...I think it's better to have 10 disagree minus signs on a post than it is to have 10 arguing, egotistical rants. Just my opinion.

Obviously, when someone posts a comment to disagree, that comment can still be voted up. So the part is bold is unlikely to happen. People will just agree with the disagreement.

tickstock · « **Reply #23 on:** June 10, 2015, 09:13 »

Quote from: leaf on June 10, 2015, 00:14

it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended. People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed. Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things. The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

First post I've agreed (or disagreed) with in probably a year. Get rid of it

Pauws99 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 10, 2015, 09:53 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 10, 2015, 03:47

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 10, 2015, 03:39
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 10, 2015, 03:01
Pauws99, It's called Democracy! :-)

http://www.microstockgroup.com/selling-direct/give-me-a-like-on-my-facebook-page-)/msg419134/#msg419134

No its called free speech nothing to do with Democracy

Thought I'd stop now but can't resist......What power?

MSG is called a democracy because power resides not in a few people but in the majority of our members.

http://www.speakerscornertrust.org/library/about-free-speech/free-speech-and-democracy/

fotografer · « **Reply #25 on:** June 10, 2015, 10:17 »

If we get rid of it we will end up having to scroll through loads of '+1' posts.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #26 on:** June 10, 2015, 10:41 »

Quote from: fotografer on June 10, 2015, 10:17

If we get rid of it we will end up having to scroll through loads of '+1' posts.

The primary value of the Heart icon/up arrow/Agree is keeping threads easier to digest. Huge quotes of a prior post with +1 added at the end happened a lot prior to the heart button and threads became unreadable after a few pages of that.

I don't like a lot of what Facebook has done with their interface but the like feature with the ability to see who liked a post is helpful. I'm assuming that's not possible with the current forum software.

I think the Disagree function causes more problems than the value it adds. The cumulative scoring also means that you can theoretically end up with posts that generated a ton of polarized likes/dislikes with just a +1 or a -1 when many people felt strongly for or against a point of view.

I'd vote for ditching the negative vote and keeping the positive one (and I thought the heart or up arrow were fine and less visually distracting than a word).

PixelBytes · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2015, 11:24 »

I agree with getting rid of the downvote option. Since its been in use the levels of hostility and defesiveness around here are much higher. I like the upvote option, but downvotes just create a hostile atmosphere.

Fatmanphoto · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2015, 12:18 »

I disagree with getting rid of the disagree button.

cathyslife · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2015, 12:53 »

Quote from: Fatmanphoto on June 10, 2015, 12:18

I disagree with getting rid of the disagree button.

Me too.

Quote

Since its been in use the levels of hostility and defesiveness around here are much higher.

I think there is a level of hostility whether there is a disagree button, dislike button, thumbs up or down, or not. Look at the forums on the agency's sites. I don't think they have buttons, and there is plenty of hostility there. The only thing that tampers that down is the moderators deleting posts.

It's kind of like the gun/owner debate. Do guns kill people or do people kill people? Does the disagree button cause the hostility, or are people just inherently hostile and if they don't have a disagree button, they will find something else to be hostile about?

But it will be a good experiment if Leaf gets rid of it to see if that magically turns everyone into a flower child.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #30 on:** June 10, 2015, 14:13 »

Quote from: cathyslife on June 10, 2015, 12:53

It's kind of like the gun/owner debate. Do guns kill people or do people kill people? Does the disagree button cause the hostility, or are people just inherently hostile and if they don't have a disagree button, they will find something else to be hostile about?

But it will be a good experiment if Leaf gets rid of it to see if that magically turns everyone into a flower child.

No, I remember before the disagree button and things were a lot less hostile around here, and a lot less people left the forums. Conversations were more constructive.

tickstock · « **Reply #31 on:** June 10, 2015, 14:14 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 10, 2015, 14:13

Quote from: cathyslife on June 10, 2015, 12:53

It's kind of like the gun/owner debate. Do guns kill people or do people kill people? Does the disagree button cause the hostility, or are people just inherently hostile and if they don't have a disagree button, they will find something else to be hostile about?

But it will be a good experiment if Leaf gets rid of it to see if that magically turns everyone into a flower child.

No, I remember before the disagree button and things were a lot less hostile around here, and a lot less people left the forums. Conversations were more constructive.

That is true but I'm not totally convinced it was the hearts thing that did it, maybe accelerated it though.

cathyslife · « **Reply #32 on:** June 10, 2015, 15:19 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 10, 2015, 14:13

No, I remember before the disagree button and things were a lot less hostile around here, and a lot less people left the forums. Conversations were more constructive.

Well, before the disagree button were the hearts and people had issues with those, which is when they went to agree/disagree. Before that, there were many hostilities. In fact, what I seem to recall is that that was one of the reasons why Leaf implemented the hearts in the first place, to cut down on the verbal hostilities, so that people could just agree/disagree or heart/no heart, instead of jumping into the fray. But I could be remembering wrong, that happens nowadays.

I guess we will see what happens.

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #33 on:** June 10, 2015, 15:31 »

Some MSG members never post any thread nor comment and only do + and - voting.
I suspect some even work for the agencies and they try to protect them of bad shout out.

I don't see much value in it, but whatever majority decides, I am ok.

pancaketom · « **Reply #34 on:** June 10, 2015, 15:39 »

I generally hit the agree if the person said something close to what my comment would have been or if I agree. I "disagree" a lot less, but usually it is when I think they made a wrong statement.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #35 on:** June 10, 2015, 20:05 »

I don't remember any problems with the hearts. But maybe I'm not remembering right either. I was not involved in the discussions back then so much.

leaf · « **Reply #36 on:** June 11, 2015, 00:56 »

Ok - well perhaps it's time to give it a try.

So... back to the 'hearts' or the +'s
Nothing is permanent.. and the icon is still open to critique. Stats are all kept the same, it is simply a forum setting as to what shows or what is possible to vote on a given post.

dpimborough · « **Reply #37 on:** June 11, 2015, 02:52 »

Quote from: leaf on June 10, 2015, 00:14

it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended. People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed. Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things. The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

Sorry Leaf but some people will start whining because no one Agreed with their post now you dispensed with the disagree button.

I'd say stop pandering to these overtly sensitive little flowers it's a forum and forums are meant to allow for discussion and in this none democratic age any form of disagreement is instantly decried, boo'd down or censored by a vocal minority of hair splitters

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #38 on:** June 11, 2015, 03:22 »

You called people a c*nt when they gave you some criticism. Speaking of sensitive little flowers.

Fatmanphoto · « **Reply #39 on:** June 11, 2015, 03:23 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on June 09, 2015, 16:37

You can disagree with a statement but I dont see how you can disagree with a fact.

To use Cathy's example, if someone said I had a good day on SS, how can I disagree with that? That person had a good day, what is there to disagree with? If they said today was a good day on SS I could disagree. I guess its down to semantics.

Anyway, the disagreements in this thread just dont make sense at all. How does one agree with a question? Or someone expressing their feeling?
http://www.microstockgroup.com/alamy-com/payment-25200/msg421311/?topicseen#msg421311

How does this make sense: What time does the train leave tomorrow? I disagree!

Sorry to drag this one back, but I just saw a comment in my local rag which remonded me. What a poster interpretes as a fact the reader may consider an opinion. I do see this often across forums (fora, what is the plural?) not necessarily here. So readers could have disagreed with whether what was presented as a fact is in fact a fact in their eyes.

This ties in woth the question asked of me earlier about self answering rhetorical questions - feel free to ask any question, rhetoricial or not. But please do not answer or imply an answer in my name.

dpimborough · « **Reply #40 on:** June 11, 2015, 03:30 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on June 11, 2015, 03:22

You called people a c*nt when they gave you some criticism. Speaking of sensitive little flowers.

Ron when people openly insult me on a forum for asking a simple question about payment then they are going to get a swipe and I don't recall calling anyone a c*nt

The other person on that discussion thought he was being a smart ass and throwing crappy insults then he'll get what for.

Same goes for anyone including you.

Fatmanphoto · « **Reply #41 on:** June 11, 2015, 03:43 »

Probably a Typo, Semmick put in an extra 'n'.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #42 on:** June 11, 2015, 03:52 »

Teddy, Google 'see you next Tuesday' . If you didn't know what that meant I'll take back my words.

dpimborough · « **Reply #43 on:** June 11, 2015, 03:54 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on June 11, 2015, 03:52

Teddy, Google 'see you next Tuesday' . If you didn't know what that meant I'll take back my words.

Oh you mean that do you? I was referring to the following day seeing as it was a monday when I asked the question sorry my poor english

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #44 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:09 »

This forum sucks. I'm out of here.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #45 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:10 »

Ok I missed it, so I'm back now.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:13 »

Wish I'd never started this thread all I wanted was for people to be nice to each other! Mind you people have been nailed to a cross for that!

heywoody · « **Reply #47 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:28 »

Quote from: leaf on June 10, 2015, 00:14

it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended. People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed. Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things. The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

I could easily be wrong but I'd imagine most adults can quietly agree or disagree without the compulsion to vote. I also suspect that most of the +s and, especially the -s, come from folks with very entrenched positions and don't really reflect popularity / agreement across the membership.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #48 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:57 »

The 'problem' with losing the downvote option is that you never know whether people silently disagree with you, or if your post is simply too uninteresting to vote on. So in that way, I'll sort of miss it.

StockPhotosArt.com · « **Reply #49 on:** June 11, 2015, 07:17 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on June 11, 2015, 06:57

The 'problem' with losing the downvote option is that you never know whether people silently disagree with you, or if your post is simply too uninteresting to vote on. So in that way, I'll sort of miss it.

20-20=0

This would probably be an extremely interesting post. Yet it would have 0 votes.

If your post is interesting people will vote it positively, and those that do not agree will reply stating that or vote positively in that reply. I think that you can get a more accurate feeling of the reaction of people this way.

fotografer · « **Reply #50 on:** June 11, 2015, 07:51 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 11, 2015, 04:13

Mind you people have been nailed to a cross for that!

Be careful with this as it could start off a whole new argument

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #51 on:** June 11, 2015, 11:02 »

Quote from: fotografer on June 11, 2015, 07:51

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 11, 2015, 04:13
Mind you people have been nailed to a cross for that!
Be careful with this as it could start off a whole new argument

Ha ha true that! shhhh

wordplanet · « **Reply #52 on:** June 11, 2015, 11:21 »

IMHO knowing who agreed or disagreed (like being able to see who "likes" a post on FB) might encourage more civil behavior. It would have the added advantage of letting people will know who actually voted down their posts rather than guessing incorrectly and getting annoyed at the worong people for voting their opinions down. It also lets the person posting gauge whether those whose opinions they value more or less are the ones who share or disagree with their ideas.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #53 on:** June 11, 2015, 14:04 »

Thanks for being open to try this Leaf! I think it might improve the atmosphere.

Digital66 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 11, 2015, 21:46 »

Quote from: leaf on June 10, 2015, 00:14

The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

-1

Pilens · « **Reply #55 on:** June 11, 2015, 22:08 »

Quote from: leaf on June 10, 2015, 00:14

The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help. Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

-1, too

ShadySue · « **Reply #56 on:** June 12, 2015, 06:35 »

I preferred the old system which kept a running total of both positives and negatives. It showed which topics and posts had raised most interest, which had completely divided opinion and where opinion was polarised.

leaf · « **Reply #57 on:** June 12, 2015, 11:08 »

Quote from: ShadySue on June 12, 2015, 06:35

I preferred the old system which kept a running total of both positives and negatives. It showed which topics and posts had raised most interest, which had completely divided opinion and where opinion was polarised.

There was never a running total of +'s and -'s ... just a summed up number. There will still be a list of the most liked posts like before. I agree, the most ideal would be to show how many +'s and how many -s ... that option isn't the in the plug-in and it's a little too daunting for me to attempt to make it.

gbalex · « **Reply #58 on:** June 12, 2015, 14:30 »

Actually I think having the ability to show that you "do not agree" is less confrontational than the only remaining option of stating why using text.

I prefer the less benign method of letting someone know I do not agree.

Letting someone know I do not hold the same viewpoints, does not mean that I do not value their viewpoint, it just means we agree to disagree.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #59 on:** June 12, 2015, 15:12 »

Quote from: gbalex on June 12, 2015, 14:30

Actually I think having the ability to show that you "do not agree" is less confrontational than the only remaining option of stating why using text.

Now we have people skirting the issue by copying whole posts and just putting -1 or 'I disagree', which is as pointless as the button and adds nothing of value to the conversation.

If people disagree with a post they should be able to come up with a reason.

cathyslife · « **Reply #60 on:** June 12, 2015, 17:24 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 12, 2015, 15:12

Quote from: gbalex on June 12, 2015, 14:30
Actually I think having the ability to show that you "do not agree" is less confrontational than the only remaining option of stating why using text.

Now we have people skirting the issue by copying whole posts and just putting -1 or 'I disagree', which is as pointless as the button and adds nothing of value to the conversation.

If people disagree with a post they should be able to come up with a reason.

No, i disagree. People that agree dont have to come up with a reason.

Digital66 · « **Reply #61 on:** June 12, 2015, 20:18 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 12, 2015, 15:12

Quote from: gbalex on June 12, 2015, 14:30
Actually I think having the ability to show that you "do not agree" is less confrontational than the only remaining option of stating why using text.

Now we have people skirting the issue by copying whole posts and just putting -1 or 'I disagree', which is as pointless as the button and adds nothing of value to the conversation.

If people disagree with a post they should be able to come up with a reason.

-1

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #62 on:** June 12, 2015, 20:54 »

I think there should be a Mega once a month 10X bonus Agree button. In which case your post would get it for June.

+10 on what you wrote.

Quote from: gbalex on June 12, 2015, 14:30

Letting someone know I do not hold the same viewpoints, does not mean that I do not value their viewpoint, it just means we agree to disagree.

Too late now. - or disagree has been removed, so we can all have "good thoughts" and be a bunch of good little robots and create the impression of tacit approval of some of the trash that people post about imaginary situations or sales figures.

My personal view on this is, remove all of it and lets go back to writing messages, with our personal opinions, so the poster knows who's making a comment.

Also the same as my view of no anonymous trolls, but that gets all kinds of negatives. Oh wait - maybe this plus only isn't such a bad idea?

What I'm saying very simply is for both, a person should stand behind their opinion and words and not be clicking minus for hate and shouldn't be posting opinions for agencies and artists subjects, as anonymous.

I don't see why people can be anonymous and post personal hate messages about agencies, but can't click disagree, because we are too sensitive and offended.

Block both or neither.

Meanwhile gbalex gets my plus ten for the month.

I agree to agree.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #63 on:** June 12, 2015, 23:04 »

Never mind. Its a waste of time debating with people whose whole contribution to a conversation is -1, and don't even have the brains or balls to back it up.

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #64 on:** June 13, 2015, 01:01 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 12, 2015, 23:04

Never mind. Its a waste of time debating with people whose whole contribution to a conversation is -1, and don't even have the brains or balls to back it up.

+100

StockPhotosArt.com · « **Reply #65 on:** June 13, 2015, 01:38 »

If this is an forum used by ADULTS, where the discussion of ideas is the most important factor, than I do not see any value in th Minus button.

The people who disagree have the option to write an answer stating why they think differently, or to give a positive vote to an answer that state the reasons why they disagree.

To me, saying No without any further explanation in an adult environment is offensive, because it's treating adults as children. Children at a certain age need to hear No and simply No, because at their stage of development they do not understand complex reasons. But little after they start needing justifications to understand and accept the No. If this is an ADULT and PROFESSIONAL forum, than voting down without any further reasoning is treating adults as little children.

I do not see how removing the Disagree button makes people a "bunch of good little robots" as mentioned earlier. In fact it's the opposite. You can program a robot to press indefinitely a Minus or Disagree button, but you can't make it reply in an intelligent manner.

gbalex · « **Reply #66 on:** June 13, 2015, 03:26 »

I do not expect everyone to agree with my viewpoints and when they do not, I do not find it troubling when they simply choose to disagree. I certainly have had my fair share of - votes on this forum for my views and at times I deserved them as my ego rears its ugly head from time to time.

It would be presumptuous of me to expect that everyone has the time to debate differences in opinion, every time theirs do not mesh me mine. After all we all have different life experiences and it is a given we will not always agree.

I don't think it is my right to choose how someone presents themselves on this forum or how they choose to communicate with their fellows.

Fatmanphoto · « **Reply #67 on:** June 13, 2015, 05:20 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 12, 2015, 15:12

Quote from: gbalex on June 12, 2015, 14:30
Actually I think having the ability to show that you "do not agree" is less confrontational than the only remaining option of stating why using text.

Now we have people skirting the issue by copying whole posts and just putting -1 or 'I disagree', which is as pointless as the button and adds nothing of value to the conversation.

If people disagree with a post they should be able to come up with a reason.

Funnily, I never saw it like that. I think this started as a joke and has become a running gag. With an element of kicking back at the loss of a function (reminds me of when Disney emailed employees telling them to stop referring to the corporation they work for as Mousewitz, within hours it was being called Duckchau).

cathyslife · « **Reply #68 on:** June 13, 2015, 06:17 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 12, 2015, 23:04

Never mind. Its a waste of time debating with people whose whole contribution to a conversation is -1, and don't even have the brains or balls to back it up.

-100

I want to see the brains and balls of everyone posting a + too.

cathyslife · « **Reply #69 on:** June 13, 2015, 06:22 »

Quote from: StockPhotosArt on June 13, 2015, 01:38

If this is an forum used by ADULTS, where the discussion of ideas is the most important factor, than I do not see any value in th Minus button.

The people who disagree have the option to write an answer stating why they think differently, or to give a positive vote to an answer that state the reasons why they disagree.

To me, saying No without any further explanation in an adult environment is offensive, because it's treating adults as children. Children at a certain age need to hear No and simply No, because at their stage of development they do not understand complex reasons. But little after they start needing justifications to understand and accept the No. If this is an ADULT and PROFESSIONAL forum, than voting down without any further reasoning is treating adults as little children.

I do not see how removing the Disagree button makes people a "bunch of good little robots" as mentioned earlier. In fact it's the opposite. You can program a robot to press indefinitely a Minus or Disagree button, but you can't make it reply in an intelligent manner.

I disagree.

Pushing a plus button doesnt show any intelligence either. If people have to give a reason for disagreeing then they should have to give a reason for agreeing too. Either treat adults EQUALLY as adults, or scrap the - or + thing altogether.

cathyslife · « **Reply #70 on:** June 13, 2015, 06:33 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 12, 2015, 23:04

Never mind. Its a waste of time debating with people whose whole contribution to a conversation is -1, and don't even have the brains or balls to back it up.

You automatically assume it has to do with brains or balls. Maybe people dont have a whole lot of time to write out a long discussion of their opinion but want to contribute however they can by using the agree or disagree. Maybe some people arent quite as eloquent with their writing as you are, but want to participate. Maybe people whose first language isnt English dont feel confident writing something, but they can participate by agreeing or disagreeing.

Disagreeing with something doesnt always need a long dissertation of explanation. If you say people dont have the brains or balls to back it up, and i disagree, that means i dont think the same way as you. Period. Why does that need a big long explanation, just because YOU say it does?

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #71 on:** June 13, 2015, 08:44 »

That doesn't make sense. I agree with what is written so why do I need to repeat that? If you disagree there's a different opinion which you can share.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #72 on:** June 13, 2015, 09:37 »

Let's all just agree to disagree and disagree to agree. Agreed?

cathyslife · « **Reply #73 on:** June 13, 2015, 10:42 »

Quote from: Microstock Posts on June 13, 2015, 09:37

Let's all just agree to disagree and disagree to agree. Agreed?

I disagree

.

Digital66 · « **Reply #74 on:** June 13, 2015, 12:25 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 12, 2015, 23:04

Never mind. Its a waste of time debating with people whose whole contribution to a conversation is -1, and don't even have the brains or balls to back it up.

-1

Digital66 · « **Reply #75 on:** June 13, 2015, 12:25 »

Quote from: StockPhotosArt on June 13, 2015, 01:38

If this is an forum used by ADULTS, where the discussion of ideas is the most important factor, than I do not see any value in th Minus button.

The people who disagree have the option to write an answer stating why they think differently, or to give a positive vote to an answer that state the reasons why they disagree.

To me, saying No without any further explanation in an adult environment is offensive, because it's treating adults as children. Children at a certain age need to hear No and simply No, because at their stage of development they do not understand complex reasons. But little after they start needing justifications to understand and accept the No. If this is an ADULT and PROFESSIONAL forum, than voting down without any further reasoning is treating adults as little children.

I do not see how removing the Disagree button makes people a "bunch of good little robots" as mentioned earlier. In fact it's the opposite. You can program a robot to press indefinitely a Minus or Disagree button, but you can't make it reply in an intelligent manner.

-1

Digital66 · « **Reply #76 on:** June 13, 2015, 12:27 »

Quote from: gbalex on June 13, 2015, 03:26

I do not expect everyone to agree with my viewpoints and when they do not, I do not find it troubling when they simply choose to disagree. I certainly have had my fair share of - votes on this forum for my views and at times I deserved them as my ego rears its ugly head from time to time.

It would be presumptuous of me to expect that everyone has the time to debate differences in opinion, every time theirs do not mesh me mine. After all we all have different life experiences and it is a given we will not always agree.

I don't think it is my right to choose how someone presents themselves on this forum or how they choose to communicate with their fellows.

+100000000

StockPhotosArt.com · « **Reply #77 on:** June 13, 2015, 14:07 »

Quote from: cathyslife on June 13, 2015, 06:22

I disagree.

Pushing a plus button doesnt show any intelligence either. If people have to give a reason for disagreeing then they should have to give a reason for agreeing too. Either treat adults EQUALLY as adults, or scrap the - or + thing altogether.

Your argument doesn't make sense. If you agree with something and don't have anything relevant to add you only need to support the idea already expressed.

But if someone disagrees, and considering that this is a forum which objective and most important feature is people discussing ideas, then it's important to express the reasons for the disagreement.

And as I said you may always vote in a post that you agree which contradicts another post. This vote works in fact as minus regarding the post to which it's replying.

Digital66 · « **Reply #78 on:** June 13, 2015, 14:34 »

Quote from: StockPhotosArt on June 13, 2015, 14:07

Quote from: cathyslife on June 13, 2015, 06:22
I disagree.

Pushing a plus button doesnt show any intelligence either. If people have to give a reason for disagreeing then they should have to give a reason for agreeing too. Either treat adults EQUALLY as adults, or scrap the - or + thing altogether.

Your argument doesn't make sense. If you agree with something and don't have anything relevant to add you only need to support the idea already expressed.

But if someone disagrees, and considering that this is a forum which objective and most important feature is people discussing ideas, then it's important to express the reasons for the disagreement.

And as I said you may always vote in a post that you agree which contradicts another post. This vote works in fact as minus regarding the post to which it's replying.

-1

gbalex · « **Reply #79 on:** June 13, 2015, 14:54 »

Quote from: cathyslife on June 13, 2015, 06:22

Quote from: StockPhotosArt on June 13, 2015, 01:38
If this is an forum used by ADULTS, where the discussion of ideas is the most important factor, than I do not see any value in th Minus button.

The people who disagree have the option to write an answer stating why they think differently, or to give a positive vote to an answer that state the reasons why they disagree.

To me, saying No without any further explanation in an adult environment is offensive, because it's treating adults as children. Children at a certain age need to hear No and simply No, because at their stage of development they do not understand complex reasons. But little after they start needing justifications to understand and accept the No. If this is an ADULT and PROFESSIONAL forum, than voting down without any further reasoning is treating adults as little children.

I do not see how removing the Disagree button makes people a "bunch of good little robots" as mentioned earlier. In fact it's the opposite. You can program a robot to press indefinitely a Minus or Disagree button, but you can't make it reply in an intelligent manner.

I disagree.

Pushing a plus button doesnt show any intelligence either. If people have to give a reason for disagreeing then they should have to give a reason for agreeing too. Either treat adults EQUALLY as adults, or scrap the - or + thing altogether.

Strangely enough, very few complain about receiving ego boosting +'s

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #80 on:** June 13, 2015, 14:55 »

Digital66, Are you now just posting -1s for the sake of it or are you trying to make a point which you could have done in one single comment?

Holmes · « **Reply #81 on:** June 13, 2015, 16:29 »

https://youtu.be/2FJtsL8AJx0

Digital66 · « **Reply #82 on:** June 13, 2015, 17:07 »

I'll just keep exercising my right to simply agree or disagree without comments

Digital66 · « **Reply #83 on:** June 13, 2015, 17:49 »

double post

PixelBytes · « **Reply #84 on:** June 14, 2015, 00:01 »

Amazing that so many people who don't have the time to express why they disagree with something do find the time to waste reading threads and pushing buttons here at all.

When I am too busy to chat on a forum, I tend to the things that I am busy with.

Oh, and cheers to Cathy who actually came up with a reasoned explanation as to why she disagrees with the new system and has given voice to the thoughts of at least 7 others and counting. Looks like writing an explanation was more effective and persuasive than just pressing a -1 button.

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