Author Topic: Confirmed Identities on MSG (trial for a month?) (Read 40425 times)

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #225 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:13 »

Quote from: falstafff on May 30, 2013, 09:05

Quote from: Poncke v2 on May 30, 2013, 08:56
Quote from: cobalt on May 30, 2013, 07:33
Tyler didn´t say he wants to delete anonymous accounts. He just said he is thinking of moving the forum rules to make it clear he prefers accounts with members who can recognize each other.

He also offers the option of anonymity if you want it, but wants to charges a fee from those who do. It could also become a "premium perk" for those who pay and support msg.

I think it is worth trying it for a month, to see how people would feel about it. And of course the question is, would such a forum attract new people?
I am not paying 60 dollars a year to be anonymous. Thats a whole year of DP earnings, come on now.

In your case we make it 150, pounds sterling. Hows that grabbing you?

Ai, thats DP and CanStockPhoto combined... you are killing me here !

cthoman · « **Reply #226 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:17 »

Quote from: Leo on May 30, 2013, 00:53

Confirm identies? Ever notice how you never see Clark Kent and cthoman in the same room at the same time?

Umm... err... nothing to see here.

shudderstok · « **Reply #227 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:34 »

i choose to remain anonymous for professional reasons - non of which needs to be justified on this forum. there is enough censorship going on at the many forums within the agencies, and this place is a breath of fresh air that one can express their own opinions/views regardless of the persuasion without having the hammer come down on them.
i would like to think with all the various views/opinions and crazy speculations that appear here, one would be able to form their own conclusions based on all of it and take that information where they will.
not all of us want to be "indies", not all of us deify sean, not all of us love bruce and stocksy, not all of us buy into the SS subscription model, not all of us have started our careers with the easy way of microstock and digital.
i think regardless of where you are in your game of stock photography this should be an open platform for all levels of experience, and in one form or another we all bring something to the table for discussion.
if i had to show my port, or my real name, or pay, i'd be outta here now.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #228 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:52 »

For me it's Fredmiranda.com forums, where real people, real professionals and honest discussions are common. Seems fear of retribution from agencies and viewers isn't a problem there? Sportsshooter.com is all professionals and all real names. People need to submit a request, proof of professionalism and be sponsored to be a member there. Then they charge by the year also.

If this forum is to be taken seriously, and as professional information, it should be populated by real people.

I'm not using my real name here, but if you click, you see who I am and my website. It's not a secret, just not searchable by name. That's more than enough for me to feel people won't be coming across it by accident. I used my real name when I signed up for Microstock sites, might have changed some, but Alamy and IS and SS are all relatively transparent about what my real name is.

I'd say $10 a year would be more than enough for Leaf to discourage trolls with Multiple IDs. It's not a point for profit and if it's that important and people are serious, $10 a year is hardly a big deal? It would pay back for his time spent managing the site and IDs and keep in mind, someone must moderate all this. Less foolishness and he has less work watching the forums.

Quote from: eclaire on May 29, 2013, 05:05

Quote from: leaf on May 29, 2013, 03:53

This thread was mostly sparked from my participation in that other forum which seems so much more .. well, .. professional.
What other forum may I ask?

Xanox · « **Reply #229 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:14 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on May 30, 2013, 09:52

For me it's Fredmiranda.com forums, where real people, real professionals and honest discussions are common. Seems fear of retribution from agencies and viewers isn't a problem there? Sportsshooter.com is all professionals and all real names. People need to submit a request, proof of professionalism and be sponsored to be a member there. Then they charge by the year also.

If this forum is to be taken seriously, and as professional information, it should be populated by real people.

LightStalkers is another serious pro forum and the reason they require you to use your real name + link to portfolio is because half of the forum is about people hiring photographers/stringers for assignments.

no money asked over there but you can only join by invitation.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #230 on:** May 30, 2013, 11:15 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on May 30, 2013, 09:52

For me it's Fredmiranda.com forums, where real people, real professionals and honest discussions are common.

I just went to the Fredmiranda.com forums to find out what you mean and it seems to be real people,really showing of real pictures while other real people say "wow, that's a nice picture".
I can't for the life of me see what the connection is between a "show off my pictures" forum and a forum for the discussion of the business practices of microstock companies and other aspects of selling stock.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #231 on:** May 30, 2013, 11:19 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 30, 2013, 11:15

Quote from: RacePhoto on May 30, 2013, 09:52
For me it's Fredmiranda.com forums, where real people, real professionals and honest discussions are common.

I just went to the Fredmiranda.com forums to find out what you mean and it seems to be real people,really showing of real pictures while other real people say "wow, that's a nice picture".
I can't for the life of me see what the connection is between a "show off my pictures" forum and a forum for the discussion of the business practices of microstock companies and other aspects of selling stock.

I just checked, first thread I opened had people called corndog and trenchmonkey talking to each other.

pieman · « **Reply #232 on:** May 30, 2013, 12:14 »

Quote from: jbarber873 on May 30, 2013, 08:45

Quote from: pieman on May 30, 2013, 07:15
I just want to know who people are in here so I can send them cookie-grams. I have a guy who doesn't change much for shipping so I can send all over the world for pretty cheap.

Whatever the outcome, I look forward to the adventure.

For many of the people on this forum, this is not an "adventure", this is the real world of making a living. Unlike most businesses, we not only have to deal with agencies changing the terms of our agreements to suit themselves, we also have to deal with petty and arbitrary enforcers who only want to see a hundred "woo-yay" posts when they do it.
Keep your cookies.
Oh, and my name is Jim Barber. You banned me a long time ago, and i haven't contributed to your agency for years.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that exactly what this discussion is about? A change to the terms of the use of this site? Leaf has indicated why he is looking to test this change in his initial post. I would have to say that it's a valid concern and part of why the majority of the people I talk to about these boards are hesitant to participate.

You can be mad at me for you being banned. I can't say I've always been 100% valid in the bans. However, as mentioned in previous posts, I'm more than reasonable when it comes to reinstatements. If you are of the ilk who WILL NEVER COME BACK well then that's fine too. Why care about being banned from a place you no longer what to participate in.

Whew. Okay, I hope you all get things sorted in here.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #233 on:** May 30, 2013, 12:32 »

Pieman, is Lobo your real name?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #234 on:** May 30, 2013, 12:35 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 30, 2013, 12:32

Pieman, is Lobo your real name?

careful! coz he is right behind you

(istock profile then you will understand!)

RacePhoto · « **Reply #235 on:** May 30, 2013, 13:10 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 30, 2013, 12:32

Pieman, is Lobo your real name?

Nope Pieman is, It's Simon Metta Pieman. LOL

Funny how the point of real names is lost in nit picking. ID names on FM forums are the same as here and everywhere else, just Pseudonyms for Real People. The idea isn't that everyone has to use their real name, just that a real identity is connected to the account. Amazing how someone could miss that (like Semmick) and twist it into something it isn't?

Use me as an example. You know who I am, you know where to find me, you know my email, you know my website and without much thinking can find my SS and IS portfolio's. I'm a real person. Same with another thousand or so people here.

Now take some other person, one who had six IDs and was finally banned. Is that what makes the forum content more valuable and honest information for people who care about the business and market? Or is it just a waste of time with some adult child, disrupting and attacking others, for their own self amusement. Which contributes nothing to the site integrity or knowledge base.

Yes to the "show me your photo" pat me on the head bunch. Seems very popular on some microstock forum that's inhabited by troubled trolls as well. Yes, means, yes I agree it's not very useful and I don't participate in the ego stroking from either perspective. I don't criticise photos in the forums, except maybe to mock something now and then.

Tit for tat, fair game, but the little poking critics would take your best seller and explain why it's all wrong and never could be accepted or sell, because if it's close cropped it's too close and if you give it space, it needs to be cropped closer. (as an example) Or some mythical depth of focus, perspective, lens distortion, lighting or it breaks the rule of thirds. The contrast is too high or lacks definition.

Doesn't matter, everything is always, wrong. So asking for compliments is about as useful as asking for constructive criticism. (Some Times the critiques are useful for beginners try to get accepted at IS or SS)

Using Sean as the poster boy for, we must be secret is absurd. There's only one agency that has threatened and actually closed accounts for what people write on OTHER microstock forums. It's not IS or SS. (or DT or 123, or DP or P5 or BS...) There are many people here who don't live in fear and are not lap dogs for the agencies. If the whole claim that they will close our accounts is true, how about the thousand people who don't use an anonymous ID here?

If there's something honestly wrong, we should be able to speak out and should also stand behind what we write. Not hide behind a collection of anonymous unknown source pseudonyms. For the sake of credibility, attribution and the integrity of the forum, real people behind the accounts makes more sense.

tickstock · « **Reply #236 on:** May 30, 2013, 13:23 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on May 30, 2013, 13:10

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 30, 2013, 12:32
Pieman, is Lobo your real name?

Nope Pieman is, It's Simon Metta Pieman. LOL

Funny how the point of real names is lost in nit picking. ID names on FM forums are the same as here and everywhere else, just Pseudonyms for Real People. The idea isn't that everyone has to use their real name, just that a real identity is connected to the account. Amazing how someone could miss that (like Semmick) and twist it into something it isn't?

Use me as an example. You know who I am, you know where to find me, you know my email, you know my website and without much thinking can find my SS and IS portfolio's. I'm a real person. Same with another thousand or so people here.

Now take some other person, one who had six IDs and was finally banned. Is that what makes the forum content more valuable and honest information for people who care about the business and market? Or is it just a waste of time with some adult child, disrupting and attacking others, for their own self amusement. Which contributes nothing to the site integrity or knowledge base.

Yes to the "show me your photo" pat me on the head bunch. Seems very popular on some microstock forum that's inhabited by troubled trolls as well. Yes, means, yes I agree it's not very useful and I don't participate in the ego stroking from either perspective. I don't criticise photos in the forums, except maybe to mock something now and then.

Tit for tat, fair game, but the little poking critics would take your best seller and explain why it's all wrong and never could be accepted or sell, because if it's close cropped it's too close and if you give it space, it needs to be cropped closer. (as an example) Or some mythical depth of focus, perspective, lens distortion, lighting or it breaks the rule of thirds. The contrast is too high or lacks definition.

Doesn't matter, everything is always, wrong. So asking for compliments is about as useful as asking for constructive criticism. (Some Times the critiques are useful for beginners try to get accepted at IS or SS)

Using Sean as the poster boy for, we must be secret is absurd. There's only one agency that has threatened and actually closed accounts for what people write on OTHER microstock forums. It's not IS or SS. (or DT or 123, or DP or P5 or BS...) There are many people here who don't live in fear and are not lap dogs for the agencies. If the whole claim that they will close our accounts is true, how about the thousand people who don't use an anonymous ID here?

If there's something honestly wrong, we should be able to speak out and should also stand behind what we write. Not hide behind a collection of anonymous unknown source pseudonyms. For the sake of credibility, attribution and the integrity of the forum, real people behind the accounts makes more sense.

That only addresses part of the issue for some of us who are anonymous. People can post that they are having a BME without worrying that the first thing everyone who reads the post is going to do is go straight to their portfolio to see what they are doing right and then take as many ideas as they can. People keep saying how nobody posts good news in the Istock monthly sales thread, my guess is that's because they know that is exactly what will happen. Even the monthly sales thread here seems to be much much shorter than it used to be.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #237 on:** May 30, 2013, 13:24 »

Pete, you are ignoring the PERCEPTION of risk. That is all that is required to stop people posting potentially useful information here.
You admit there is one site that closed people's accounts for what they wrote here - which suggests you would find it acceptable for that site to be beyond criticism.
The Sean issue is not an absurd example. He did something iS didn't like, so they booted him. It was a complete shift in their behaviour. Who knows what the next policy shift might be - especially if they see that Fotolia's threats work because MSG insists on identities being revealed and suddenly Fot escapes criticism.
I would rather have useful information posted along with any trolling and flaming than have no trolling, no flaming and no useful information.

jbarber873 · « **Reply #238 on:** May 30, 2013, 13:25 »

Quote from: pieman on May 30, 2013, 12:14

Quote from: jbarber873 on May 30, 2013, 08:45
Quote from: pieman on May 30, 2013, 07:15
I just want to know who people are in here so I can send them cookie-grams. I have a guy who doesn't change much for shipping so I can send all over the world for pretty cheap.

Whatever the outcome, I look forward to the adventure.

For many of the people on this forum, this is not an "adventure", this is the real world of making a living. Unlike most businesses, we not only have to deal with agencies changing the terms of our agreements to suit themselves, we also have to deal with petty and arbitrary enforcers who only want to see a hundred "woo-yay" posts when they do it.
Keep your cookies.
Oh, and my name is Jim Barber. You banned me a long time ago, and i haven't contributed to your agency for years.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that exactly what this discussion is about? A change to the terms of the use of this site? Leaf has indicated why he is looking to test this change in his initial post. I would have to say that it's a valid concern and part of why the majority of the people I talk to about these boards are hesitant to participate.

You can be mad at me for you being banned. I can't say I've always been 100% valid in the bans. However, as mentioned in previous posts, I'm more than reasonable when it comes to reinstatements. If you are of the ilk who WILL NEVER COME BACK well then that's fine too. Why care about being banned from a place you no longer what to participate in.

Whew. Okay, I hope you all get things sorted in here.

Leaf hasn't entered into a contract with me to sell my images, only to unilaterally change that contract because it was "unsustainable". As for being banned, it's of no consequence and did not enter into the decision to leave IS. The point is that you come here and try to turn this into one of your " let's make a joke about pie and you'll do what I say " threads, and I don't buy it. If anything, your posts reinforce Leaf's point, since by knowing who you are we are well aware of your complete lack of credibility.
Maybe I should change my vote...

heywoody · « **Reply #239 on:** May 30, 2013, 14:03 »

Quote from: tickstock on May 30, 2013, 13:23

That only addresses part of the issue for some of us who are anonymous. People can post that they are having a BME without worrying that the first thing everyone who reads the post is going to do is go straight to their portfolio to see what they are doing right and then take as many ideas as they can.

Or, people might go to the port and discover that the poster is probably guilty of a certain degree of exaggeration. If I wanted to copycat I’d look at most popular, best selling etc not follow up someone trying to big himself up for whatever reason.

Quote from: tickstock on May 30, 2013, 13:23

People keep saying how nobody posts good news in the Istock monthly sales thread, my guess is that's because they know that is exactly what will happen. Even the monthly sales thread here seems to be much much shorter than it used to be.

Alternative theory – maybe not so much good news there??

tickstock · « **Reply #240 on:** May 30, 2013, 14:11 »

Quote from: heywoody on May 30, 2013, 14:03

Quote from: tickstock on May 30, 2013, 13:23
That only addresses part of the issue for some of us who are anonymous. People can post that they are having a BME without worrying that the first thing everyone who reads the post is going to do is go straight to their portfolio to see what they are doing right and then take as many ideas as they can.

Or, people might go to the port and discover that the poster is probably guilty of a certain degree of exaggeration. If I wanted to copycat I’d look at most popular, best selling etc not follow up someone trying to big himself up for whatever reason.

Quote from: tickstock on May 30, 2013, 13:23
People keep saying how nobody posts good news in the Istock monthly sales thread, my guess is that's because they know that is exactly what will happen. Even the monthly sales thread here seems to be much much shorter than it used to be.

Alternative theory – maybe not so much good news there??

1. It's not just the most popular images that people copy and everyone already knows what those are, it's the more niche subjects that I don't want people copying from my portfolio (see what happened to the handshake shot after I posted that it sold a couple times, now everyone has a picture of one).
2. Maybe not so much good news, but I know I don't post on the Istock forum for the reason I stated above even though sometimes I have good news.

stockastic · « **Reply #241 on:** May 30, 2013, 14:16 »

I still don't 'get' why the people who are offended by anonymity don't just use the Ignore option on those posters. Nor do I understand why it's so important that this forum Be Taken Seriously. What exactly is the benefit to that?

As other posters have pointed out, there are already other forums for Serious Professionals. Does every forum have to be a copy? If so, Leaf could just forward this domain to fredmiranda.com.

It seems to me that a couple of Serious Professionals have recently learned a hard lesson about one of the many possible reasons for anonymity. If they'd like the rest of us to now take the same cold shower... um, no thanks.

anonymous · « **Reply #242 on:** May 30, 2013, 14:24 »

Quote from: pieman on May 30, 2013, 12:14

Quote from: jbarber873 on May 30, 2013, 08:45
Quote from: pieman on May 30, 2013, 07:15
I just want to know who people are in here so I can send them cookie-grams. I have a guy who doesn't change much for shipping so I can send all over the world for pretty cheap.

Whatever the outcome, I look forward to the adventure.

For many of the people on this forum, this is not an "adventure", this is the real world of making a living. Unlike most businesses, we not only have to deal with agencies changing the terms of our agreements to suit themselves, we also have to deal with petty and arbitrary enforcers who only want to see a hundred "woo-yay" posts when they do it.
Keep your cookies.
Oh, and my name is Jim Barber. You banned me a long time ago, and i haven't contributed to your agency for years.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that exactly what this discussion is about? A change to the terms of the use of this site? Leaf has indicated why he is looking to test this change in his initial post. I would have to say that it's a valid concern and part of why the majority of the people I talk to about these boards are hesitant to participate.

You can be mad at me for you being banned. I can't say I've always been 100% valid in the bans. However, as mentioned in previous posts, I'm more than reasonable when it comes to reinstatements. If you are of the ilk who WILL NEVER COME BACK well then that's fine too. Why care about being banned from a place you no longer what to participate in.

Whew. Okay, I hope you all get things sorted in here.

I seriously doubt that...

Elenathewise · « **Reply #243 on:** May 30, 2013, 15:13 »

I don't have time to read all 10 pages but I support what Leaf is proposing. Tayler, please go ahead and implement this - and if some people rather not post than stand behind their own words, good riddance.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #244 on:** May 30, 2013, 15:15 »

Quote from: Elenathewise on May 30, 2013, 15:13

I don't have time to read all 10 pages but I support what Leaf is proposing. Tayler, please go ahead and implement this - and if some people rather not post than stand behind their own words, good riddance.

Many of your friends or people who you respect here are anonymous. Why would you say good riddance to them?

fotografer · « **Reply #245 on:** May 30, 2013, 15:26 »

Quote from: heywoody on May 30, 2013, 14:03

Or, people might go to the port and discover that the poster is probably guilty of a certain degree of exaggeration. If I wanted to copycat I’d look at most popular, best selling etc not follow up someone trying to big himself up for whatever reason.

Never quite understood the point of bigging yourself up if nobody knows who you are anyway

etienjones · « **Reply #246 on:** May 30, 2013, 15:48 »

Quote from: fotografer on May 30, 2013, 15:26

Quote from: heywoody on May 30, 2013, 14:03

Or, people might go to the port and discover that the poster is probably guilty of a certain degree of exaggeration. If I wanted to copycat I’d look at most popular, best selling etc not follow up someone trying to big himself up for whatever reason.

Never quite understood the point of bigging yourself up if nobody knows who you are anyway

I don't either. There sure are a lot of Freudian Paradoxes on the internet.

heywoody · « **Reply #247 on:** May 30, 2013, 16:18 »

Quote from: tickstock on May 30, 2013, 14:11

.....see what happened to the handshake shot after I posted that it sold a couple times, now everyone has a picture of one....

Have to award a heart for that

CD123 · « **Reply #248 on:** May 30, 2013, 17:19 »

I just want also to say something now, because this is the forum with the most pluses I have ever seen!

OK, that was now a total off topic remark, so please add a few minuses here to get the balance back again (lot of kiss @sses......)

(Oh yes, and I am saying this without hiding behind a fake pseudo)

tickstock · « **Reply #249 on:** May 30, 2013, 17:22 »

Quote from: CD123 on May 30, 2013, 17:19

(Oh yes, and I am saying this without hiding behind a fake pseudo)

My pseudo is as real as they get.

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