Author Topic: Confirmed Identities on MSG (trial for a month?) (Read 40355 times)

CD123 · « **Reply #250 on:** May 30, 2013, 17:37 »

Quote from: tickstock on May 30, 2013, 17:22

Quote from: CD123 on May 30, 2013, 17:19
(Oh yes, and I am saying this without hiding behind a fake pseudo)
My pseudo is as real as they get.

Ah, also the same as the one you use on the stock sites then? Good for you man, let's storm the fort!!!

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #251 on:** May 30, 2013, 17:46 »

I believe what tickstock is saying is that pseudos are never really fake, because it does exactly what it its meant for.

I think he is right.

cathyslife · « **Reply #252 on:** May 30, 2013, 17:47 »

Quote from: CD123 on May 30, 2013, 17:19

I just want also to say something now, because this is the forum with the most pluses I have ever seen!

OK, that was now a total off topic remark, so please add a few minuses here to get the balance back again (lot of kiss @sses......)

(Oh yes, and I am saying this without hiding behind a fake pseudo)

I like your C is for Charl...thought I would add that to my avatar too, if you dont mind if i steal the idea.

CD123 · « **Reply #253 on:** May 30, 2013, 17:55 »

Quote from: cclapper on May 30, 2013, 17:47

Quote from: CD123 on May 30, 2013, 17:19
I just want also to say something now, because this is the forum with the most pluses I have ever seen!

OK, that was now a total off topic remark, so please add a few minuses here to get the balance back again (lot of kiss @sses......)

(Oh yes, and I am saying this without hiding behind a fake pseudo)
I like your C is for Charl...thought I would add that to my avatar too, if you dont mind if i steal the idea.

You are welcome to say that your C is also for Charl

trek · « **Reply #254 on:** May 30, 2013, 18:01 »

The internet is not trustworthy. Millions of scammers, thieves and their highly developed bots are working full time all day everyday. And yes... they are smarter than me.... so I use my real name as little as possible. I just say no to facebook, twitter, etc.,. Agency monitoring and revenge is also real. I vote NO to forced use of real names and portfolio links.

cathyslife · « **Reply #255 on:** May 30, 2013, 18:29 »

Quote from: CD123 on May 30, 2013, 17:55

Quote from: cclapper on May 30, 2013, 17:47
Quote from: CD123 on May 30, 2013, 17:19
I just want also to say something now, because this is the forum with the most pluses I have ever seen!

OK, that was now a total off topic remark, so please add a few minuses here to get the balance back again (lot of kiss @sses......)

(Oh yes, and I am saying this without hiding behind a fake pseudo)
I like your C is for Charl...thought I would add that to my avatar too, if you dont mind if i steal the idea.

You are welcome to say that your C is also for Charl

LOL!

JPSDK · « **Reply #256 on:** May 30, 2013, 18:40 »

Quote from: jbarber873 on May 30, 2013, 13:25

Quote from: pieman on May 30, 2013, 12:14
Quote from: jbarber873 on May 30, 2013, 08:45
Quote from: pieman on May 30, 2013, 07:15
I just want to know who people are in here so I can send them cookie-grams. I have a guy who doesn't change much for shipping so I can send all over the world for pretty cheap.

Whatever the outcome, I look forward to the adventure.

For many of the people on this forum, this is not an "adventure", this is the real world of making a living. Unlike most businesses, we not only have to deal with agencies changing the terms of our agreements to suit themselves, we also have to deal with petty and arbitrary enforcers who only want to see a hundred "woo-yay" posts when they do it.
Keep your cookies.
Oh, and my name is Jim Barber. You banned me a long time ago, and i haven't contributed to your agency for years.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that exactly what this discussion is about? A change to the terms of the use of this site? Leaf has indicated why he is looking to test this change in his initial post. I would have to say that it's a valid concern and part of why the majority of the people I talk to about these boards are hesitant to participate.

You can be mad at me for you being banned. I can't say I've always been 100% valid in the bans. However, as mentioned in previous posts, I'm more than reasonable when it comes to reinstatements. If you are of the ilk who WILL NEVER COME BACK well then that's fine too. Why care about being banned from a place you no longer what to participate in.

Whew. Okay, I hope you all get things sorted in here.

Leaf hasn't entered into a contract with me to sell my images, only to unilaterally change that contract because it was "unsustainable". As for being banned, it's of no consequence and did not enter into the decision to leave IS. The point is that you come here and try to turn this into one of your " let's make a joke about pie and you'll do what I say " threads, and I don't buy it. If anything, your posts reinforce Leaf's point, since by knowing who you are we are well aware of your complete lack of credibility.
Maybe I should change my vote...

Let me add to this:
I was banned on the istockphoto forum because I criticized the google deal.
Lobo (pieman) did that, he pressed the button.
But so easy is it not, and there is such a thing as pride. There are buttons not to be played with but to be taken seriously.
Im not going to pay the monthly wages to an improfessional moderator in a foriegn country who wont listen and just presses buttons when he gets emotional unstable and thinks critisism is annoying.

So that push of the button cost the company.
I withdrew my port.
Then he can look around and see who else is going to pay his monthly wages.

gostwyck · « **Reply #257 on:** May 30, 2013, 19:25 »

Quote from: JPSDK on May 30, 2013, 18:40

Let me add to this:
I was banned on the istockphoto forum because I criticized the google deal.
Lobo (pieman) did that, he pressed the button.
But so easy is it not, and there is such a thing as pride. There are buttons not to be played with but to be taken seriously.
Im not going to pay the monthly wages to an improfessional moderator in a foriegn country who wont listen and just presses buttons when he gets emotional unstable and thinks critisism is annoying.

So that push of the button cost the company.
I withdrew my port.
Then he can look around and see who else is going to pay his monthly wages.

Didn't you actually get banned for being a boorish and repetitive oaf, over a sustained period and involving several different issues? I was actually somewhat surprised you lasted as long as you did. I thought Lobo had the patience of a saint in your case.

How are IS losing money on you withdrawing your port anyway? Do you imagine that you have an ardent following of eager buyers, that have since opened new accounts elsewhere, just to buy your sought-after work? Can't see that myself. I suspect that IS customers had plenty to choose from without even noticing that your stuff was missing. I very much doubt that Lobo has had to take a pay-cut as a direct result of your lost portfolio.

JPSDK · « **Reply #258 on:** May 30, 2013, 19:39 »

Quote from: gostwyck on May 30, 2013, 19:25

Quote from: JPSDK on May 30, 2013, 18:40
Let me add to this:
I was banned on the istockphoto forum because I criticized the google deal.
Lobo (pieman) did that, he pressed the button.
But so easy is it not, and there is such a thing as pride. There are buttons not to be played with but to be taken seriously.
Im not going to pay the monthly wages to an improfessional moderator in a foriegn country who wont listen and just presses buttons when he gets emotional unstable and thinks critisism is annoying.

So that push of the button cost the company.
I withdrew my port.
Then he can look around and see who else is going to pay his monthly wages.

Didn't you actually get banned for being a boorish and repetitive oaf, over a sustained period and involving several different issues? I was actually somewhat surprised you lasted as long as you did. I thought Lobo had the patience of a saint in your case.

How are IS losing money on you withdrawing your port anyway? Do you imagine that you have an ardent following of eager buyers, that have since opened new accounts elsewhere, just to buy your sought-after work? Can't see that myself. I suspect that IS customers had plenty to choose from without even noticing that your stuff was missing. I very much doubt that Lobo has had to take a pay-cut as a direct result of your lost portfolio.

Interesting... input.
No, I was not a boorish and repetitive oaf. I just didnt like 15%, and said it, and I didnt like the censorship, and said it. I didnt like the google deal, and I said it.
That could produce a few negative posts, that is right.

BTW... where do you stand in the anonymous/ non anonymous discussion?

And yes.. Customers have followed me. Not many, but some have. Thats enough for me.

Sadstock · « **Reply #259 on:** May 30, 2013, 21:42 »

Ugh. This idea makes me feel ill. I won't participate here if people can find out who I am. I don't post anything anywhere under my real name including Facebook and other social media because once that info is out there, its out there. Maybe I'm overly paranoid, but I worry about it.

If I had post under my real name, I also would never have pulled together the list of partners programs since there is no way to know how companies feel about having that info out there compiled for all to see. Since nobody else thought to do it, that list probably would never exist and we'd all be the worse for it.

I'm empathic to those who want to know who the person is behind the post, but ultimately what is said is by and large judged by the substance of the post rather then who the poster is, so that anonymous posters with something to say rise up. Of course, we've all seen the extreme opposite too where successful contributors or microstock admins dismiss somebody with something useful to say in a forum because they have not achieved "enough" success or have not uploaded enough recently or whatever. That chills the discussion as much or more then anonymity and gives an excessive amount of power to those at the very top.

Leaf, I'm empathetic to your concerns about what might get posted when you are not around and understand if you don't want to wake up in the middle of the night concerned about what somebody might have posted. I do however think that $5 a month is pretty steep and I would not pay it. I associate that kind of a price structure with an ongoing service somebody is providing like an online magazine or movies on demand where the provider is incurring costs on an ongoing basis. I suggest instead a one-time fee when somebody wants to activate the right to post anonymously. If set high enough, this would give a barrier to entry that your ordinary anonymous jerk would not be willing to pay, but would give mild but paranoid people the opportunity to be responsibly anonymous. I became a premium member here to support the site. Maybe one of the perks of being a premium member is the right to post anonymously?

landbysea · « **Reply #260 on:** May 30, 2013, 22:55 »

I would be happy to see the change. I would be happy to see the people who use the anonymity here as an excuse to act rude and crude leave here. I feel there are a lot of other people like me who won't post here because certain regulars don't want to listen and share thoughtful opinions here. They just hang out waiting to pounce on every post and jeer and snicker. And what's more spread unfounded rumours that if you don't agree with you are ridiculed for. That's why I never participated in this much to the point that I couldn't remember my log in name if I had one and started a new account after having this site bookmarked on my favorites bar for 7 years. - Brad Martin

tickstock · « **Reply #261 on:** May 30, 2013, 23:06 »

Quote from: landbysea on May 30, 2013, 22:55

I would be happy to see the change. I would be happy to see the people who use the anonymity here as an excuse to act rude and crude leave here.

Would you also be happy to see everyone else leave who uses anonymity to stay out of trouble when they post unpleasant things about an agency? What about people who don't want to be copied?

ETA thanks for the negative but how do you disagree with a question?

falstafff · « **Reply #262 on:** May 31, 2013, 00:24 »

Quote from: gostwyck on May 30, 2013, 19:25

Quote from: JPSDK on May 30, 2013, 18:40
Let me add to this:
I was banned on the istockphoto forum because I criticized the google deal.
Lobo (pieman) did that, he pressed the button.
But so easy is it not, and there is such a thing as pride. There are buttons not to be played with but to be taken seriously.
Im not going to pay the monthly wages to an improfessional moderator in a foriegn country who wont listen and just presses buttons when he gets emotional unstable and thinks critisism is annoying.

So that push of the button cost the company.
I withdrew my port.
Then he can look around and see who else is going to pay his monthly wages.

Didn't you actually get banned for being a boorish and repetitive oaf, over a sustained period and involving several different issues? I was actually somewhat surprised you lasted as long as you did. I thought Lobo had the patience of a saint in your case.

How are IS losing money on you withdrawing your port anyway? Do you imagine that you have an ardent following of eager buyers, that have since opened new accounts elsewhere, just to buy your sought-after work? Can't see that myself. I suspect that IS customers had plenty to choose from without even noticing that your stuff was missing. I very much doubt that Lobo has had to take a pay-cut as a direct result of your lost portfolio.

Ha, ha, ha,! brilliant wording.

. Boorish oaf. love it.

vlad_the_imp · « **Reply #263 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:02 »

I've been keeping away from here for some time and am rather surprised and shocked at this suggestion, I suspect it will make this a far more anodyne and boring place, and for that reason, I'm out. I've cancelled my account and won't be back.

CD123 · « **Reply #264 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:08 »

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on May 31, 2013, 01:02

I've been keeping away from here for some time and .......

So if there is a change, it would not have made a difference in any case....? Some peoples logic?

tickstock · « **Reply #265 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:10 »

Quote from: CD123 on May 31, 2013, 01:08

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on May 31, 2013, 01:02
I've been keeping away from here for some time and .......

So if there is a change, it would not have made a difference in any case....? Some peoples logic?

I'd say vlad, microbius, and michealo all had positive things to add to this forum. It's sad to see 3 people leave just at the suggestion of changing the site but I suspect many many more would leave if the change actually happened.

CD123 · « **Reply #266 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:31 »

Quote from: tickstock on May 31, 2013, 01:10

Quote from: CD123 on May 31, 2013, 01:08
Quote from: vlad_the_imp on May 31, 2013, 01:02
I've been keeping away from here for some time and .......

So if there is a change, it would not have made a difference in any case....? Some peoples logic?
I'd say vlad, microbius, and michealo all had positive things to add to this forum. It's sad to see 3 people leave just at the suggestion of changing the site but I suspect many many more would leave if the change actually happened.

Was referring to the specific individual's statement.
Sorry about the rest as well, but I think their reactions was very emotionally charged (and totally over reacted IMO). As Tyler said, this was just put up for discussion.

rubyroo · « **Reply #267 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:35 »

Yes but I think that others feel (as I do) that the strength of feeling against us is rather shocking and unexpected. It's also strange to suddenly become an 'us' as there was no sense of division prior to this. It feels as though this is only going in one direction, and that we're going to be pushed out. In which case it's better to pull the plug ourselves than await our fate.

It doesn't matter whether you understand it or not. People feel what they feel for their own reasons.

tickstock · « **Reply #268 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:38 »

Quote from: CD123 on May 31, 2013, 01:31

Quote from: tickstock on May 31, 2013, 01:10
Quote from: CD123 on May 31, 2013, 01:08
Quote from: vlad_the_imp on May 31, 2013, 01:02
I've been keeping away from here for some time and .......

So if there is a change, it would not have made a difference in any case....? Some peoples logic?
I'd say vlad, microbius, and michealo all had positive things to add to this forum. It's sad to see 3 people leave just at the suggestion of changing the site but I suspect many many more would leave if the change actually happened.

Was referring to the specific individual's statement.
Sorry about the rest as well, but I think their reactions was very emotionally charged (and totally over reacted IMO). As Tyler said, this was just put up for discussion.

We've both been here a while. Some people only post once every few months but they have been doing that for years, didn't you take a break for a while? My guess is the decision has been made to try this out and that's why people are already leaving.

JPSDK · « **Reply #269 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:48 »

Talking about feelings.

I have the feeling that there are layers of multiple logons in action here to camouflage a few individuals with maybe not so nice or direct hostile intents.
It is characteristic that anonymity is defended by all means. And that is telling in it self.

Then I ask why? Why do these people need that camouflage?

Copycats?
Agencies revenge?

I dont buy it, everybody that make pictures of interest are copied.
Agencies only revenge if you are stupid enough to brag about your actions.

CD123 · « **Reply #270 on:** May 31, 2013, 01:58 »

Quote from: rubyroo on May 31, 2013, 01:35

Yes but I think that others feel (as I do) that the strength of feeling against us is rather shocking and unexpected. It's also strange to suddenly become an 'us' as there was no sense of division prior to this. It feels as though this is only going in one direction, and that we're going to be pushed out. In which case it's better to pull the plug ourselves than await our fate.

It doesn't matter whether you understand it or not. People feel what they feel for their own reasons.

Did not get the same feeling from the discussions here. As a matter of fact, I think by far the most pluses went to people supporting anonymity. That is why I find people leaving already strange and you are right, I do not understand it when it is only a discussion and no clear decision was made yet. Opting out is just pressing a button, why not just wait for a decision?

CD123 · « **Reply #271 on:** May 31, 2013, 02:02 »

Quote from: tickstock on May 31, 2013, 01:38

Quote from: CD123 on May 31, 2013, 01:31
Quote from: tickstock on May 31, 2013, 01:10
Quote from: CD123 on May 31, 2013, 01:08
Quote from: vlad_the_imp on May 31, 2013, 01:02
I've been keeping away from here for some time and .......

So if there is a change, it would not have made a difference in any case....? Some peoples logic?
I'd say vlad, microbius, and michealo all had positive things to add to this forum. It's sad to see 3 people leave just at the suggestion of changing the site but I suspect many many more would leave if the change actually happened.

Was referring to the specific individual's statement.
Sorry about the rest as well, but I think their reactions was very emotionally charged (and totally over reacted IMO). As Tyler said, this was just put up for discussion.
We've both been here a while. Some people only post once every few months but they have been doing that for years, didn't you take a break for a while? My guess is the decision has been made to try this out and that's why people are already leaving.

Yes I did take a break, but it had nothing to do with being anonymous or not or anything that was only being discussed at the time. Did I miss where that decision on this issue was finally made?

rubyroo · « **Reply #272 on:** May 31, 2013, 02:08 »

You only have to look at JPSDK's comment above, and imagine how it feels to be on the receiving end of something like that to understand why perfectly nice, decent and honest people would not want to be a part of this any more.

There is a big difference between someone who is a troll, or is lying and cheating in some way, and someone who is justifiably sensitive about security on the Internet. Some people will have been burned before and don't want to put their hand in the fire twice. Some people will have things going on their own life that have left them super-sensitive and wrung out. Some people want to speak freely without risking the wrath of certain agencies. Some people fear copycats. There are lots of reasons why a person may choose anonymity, and there's a long and established history of creatives doing just that.

JPSDK · « **Reply #273 on:** May 31, 2013, 02:34 »

Until this debate I didnt care about anonymity. I thought it was OK and people had their good reasons. I was more concerned about the behaviour of some individuals.

Now things have polarized and the disadvantages of anonymity have come forewards:

1...As well as you can hide from the agencies and tax people, they can also hide from you.
2...Certain individuals slide to the dark side.
3...The forum becomes a lot less trustworthy, providing mostly hear say, guesses and false accusations.
4...The forums can be used to make and spread a spin on a story. We think we have a debate, but it might as well be, that it is a spin brought public by agents with economical interests.

rubyroo · « **Reply #274 on:** May 31, 2013, 02:43 »

No doubt all those things are true for SOME people. My point is that not ALL anonymous posters are anonymous for devious reasons, and it's really unpleasant that the issue has been generalised to the point that it has.

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