Author Topic: Post Voting Vendetta (Read 9893 times)

leaf · « **on:** March 14, 2013, 01:56 »

It appears some members of the forum have a voting vendetta going. Voting every post of another member down (or up) without regard for what is written. If you are seen doing this, your voting privileges will be revoked.

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2013, 03:18 »

And for what reason should somebody do that?
Why "vendetta"?

fotografer · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:10 »

I had noticed that happening and sometimes got rid of the minus where it isn't necessary by voting it back up but lately there has sometimes been more than one minus on totally normal posts. Seems like such a stupid, pathetic thing to do. We aren't in the playground!!!

CD123 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:21 »

Thank you for this initiative. It is very clear when someone just ask a question or share an experience (no opinions involved and non repetitive questions) and minuses start to appear. Seems quite personal in such cases.

I find it especially negative when used in place of a proper response of disagreement. In stead of stating clearly why a member does not agree with a statement the minus button is pressed.

I think the simple rule should be that if the poster will not be able to understand why he/she is getting a minus, rather go to the trouble and type a response to the statement you do not agree with.

fotografer · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:24 »

I find it really petty when somebody starts a thread asking how people are doing at a certain site and then people get minuses for daring to say that they are doing well. It gives an unrealistic idea of how a site is doing if only the people that are doing badly post.

CD123 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:31 »

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on March 14, 2013, 03:18

And for what reason should somebody do that?
Why "vendetta"?

Sometimes discussions get a bit heated on a topic and people get angry with each other. Not being grown up, some of the members keep a grudge and target one or more of the parties in other threads thereafter and try to "bring him/her down" by just minusing everything the person post = vendetta. Very childish, but unfortunately not uncommon on a platform like with MSG with many members and diverse personalities (disorders?).

leaf · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:55 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 04:31

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on March 14, 2013, 03:18
And for what reason should somebody do that?
Why "vendetta"?
Sometimes discussions get a bit heated on a topic and people get angry with each other. Not being grown up, some of the members keep a grudge and target one or more of the parties in other threads thereafter and try to "bring him/her down" by just minusing everything the person post = vendetta. Very childish, but unfortunately not uncommon on a platform like with MSG with many members and diverse personalities (disorders?).

yes, quite well explained

sharpshot · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:26 »

I much preferred MSG before we had the +1 -1 thing and the good post star. It looks a bit childish now to me. So why not scrap it? It's always going to be open to abuse and people that make a good post can get lots of negative votes while someone posting something stupid that's popular gets voted up and a big star. I think it's pathetic really and should be reserved for forums that are less professional than this one.

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:30 »

Quote from: leaf on March 14, 2013, 04:55

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 04:31
Quote from: Beppe Grillo on March 14, 2013, 03:18
And for what reason should somebody do that?
Why "vendetta"?

Sometimes discussions get a bit heated on a topic and people get angry with each other. Not being grown up, some of the members keep a grudge and target one or more of the parties in other threads thereafter and try to "bring him/her down" by just minusing everything the person post = vendetta. Very childish, but unfortunately not uncommon on a platform like with MSG with many members and diverse personalities (disorders?).

yes, quite well explained

Thanks.

Personally I use it only in positive way, to thank a person that gave me a nice or useful answer.
This to avoid to answer with a post, making threat longer without need.

About this point I have a suggestion for the admin of the forum, but I don't know if it is possible here:
on some forum you have the "thanks" button, and when you click on it you name (nick) appears under the post.
This could be an useful way to know who use this button abusively.

Something like this:
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7705/scr20130314alle123206.png

enstoker · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:16 »

Agree with Beppe.
For me is annoying to see a normal post with voting down and without explanation why was given negative vote.

microstockphoto.co.uk · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:39 »

On a general note, I don't like votes - neither negative nor positive

Let's leave that to generalist social networks, we don't need likes/dislikes in a specific forum like this

CD123 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:55 »

The irony of the vendetta/silly negative vote is that it works to the opposite. Like in sharpshot's example where a person just say he/she has good sales at a site and get minuses. Others then see the minuses, realize it is silly (or vendetta based) and add a plus to counteract the minuses.

Seeing that minuses does not count against your profile, the person who just stated that he/he has good sales got a few pluses added (reserved for "great posts") for just an ordinary statement. Same with vendetta minuses. This makes a mockery of the whole voting system.

The good or bad idea of the minus was also addressed here last December:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/site-related/1-button-good-or-bad/

Dan · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2013, 09:21 »

I much preferred MSG before we had the +1 -1 thing and the good post star. It looks a bit childish now to me. So why not scrap it? It's always going to be open to abuse and people that make a good post can get lots of negative votes while someone posting something stupid that's popular gets voted up and a big star. I think it's pathetic really and should be reserved for forums that are less professional than this one.

Agree quite completely

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:11 »

I liked the old heart system better - just a way to note something you liked or agreed with or which was well said. It had the option (at one time anyway) of the person giving the heart including a brief comment which went only to the person receiving the post.

If you remember iStock's disastrous" forometer", I think the +/- system is somewhat similar (although less bad). I assume it's fairly easy to detect the pattern of +/- voting to automate picking out the juveniles, but if this new system brings with it the need to police it actively (something I'm not aware of happening with the old heart), is it really worth keeping?

lisafx · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:18 »

I'm not sure how you determine if it is a vendetta or just disagreement. There are some members I tend to disagree with often, and some I agree with most of their posts. I hope I won't be penalized for legitimate agreement or disagreement with people based on their posts, even if there appears to be a pattern.

BTW, I agree with JoAnn, I liked the old heart system better. For one thing it wasn't anonymous. If someone "hearted" you, you could see they agreed with you. Kind of gave a warm fuzzy feeling

CD123 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:35 »

A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:49 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:35

A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

shall we put also agencies $ balance too?

CD123 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:52 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 14, 2013, 10:49

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:35
A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

shall we put also agencies $ balance too?

What will that have to do with anything?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:55 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:52

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 14, 2013, 10:49
Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:35
A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

shall we put also agencies $ balance too?

What will that have to to with anything?

number 1, the hearts in the past only told the person who got the heart
number 2, if the - shows up it will open more "discussions", I believe that leaf can handle this by himself, no need to show who gives - or +
number 3, if you wish that - shows up why can't I wish $ balance?

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:11 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:35

A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

I proposed it some post above

Microbius · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:16 »

I like the voting system. Before you would get threads without many posts and have no idea what the community as a whole thought about the subject. Now at least if someone is starting loads of annoying threads you have some idea that a lot of people find it irritating.

Also visa versa, sometime you'll get a thread started with an interesting link and a heart is an easy way to show you appreciation when normally you wouldn't bother with a full post.

As several others have mentioned, if people are auto voting people down that is soon corrected by others voting the same post up because it is obvious when it is someone being silly, so why not keep it.

I remember recently when someone was threatening me on a thread and I was getting hearts and they were getting minuses. I could understand people not wanting to get directly involved with a psycho troll. If I had no way of telling people didn't like the other person's behaviour I would have really felt left out to dry.

CD123 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:31 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 14, 2013, 10:55

number 3, if you wish that - shows up why can't I wish $ balance?

$ balance has zero relevance to anyone's opinions or their use of the - or + function. But sure, if you want to you can ask Leaf to give you an ice cream here as well. It will be just as relevant

luissantos84 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:34 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 11:31

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 14, 2013, 10:55
number 3, if you wish that - shows up why can't I wish $ balance?

$ balance has zero relevance to anyone's opinions or their use of the - or + function. But sure, if you want to you can ask Leaf to give you an ice cream here as well. It will be just as relevant

Leaf can I have an ice cream?

rubyroo · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:59 »

I totally agree with Microbius here. Very often these days I'm too busy to write something that might then pull me into a back and forth exchange on an issue.... and at other times I just feel that I don't want to inundate a thread with messages from me and bore the pants off everyone by being an excessive poster(!) In those cases just clicking a heart of agreement or a minus of disagreement is a way to participate without spending too much time here.

I also remember the thread Microbius refers to, and I think that's another great example of constructive use of the system. (So glad you didn't feel left out to dry).

I don't know about vendettas - I'd like to think that wasn't the case. I have felt a few times that some posters have taken a minus mark far too personally, even though (IIRC) Tyler explained that it was usually meant simply as a disagreement with what was written, rather than any sort of personal attack.

I'm a big fan of happily accepting a difference of opinion... it's the only way to live full-heartedly in a tolerant and free world, and that's a wonderful thing.

BrianM · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2013, 12:17 »

Hi Leaf,
I read here a lot, but don't write often.

For some reason, I don't see a way to vote on posts. I am sure my vote privs were never revoked, maybe I haven't posted enough to be able to vote yet?

Microbius · « **Reply #25 on:** March 14, 2013, 13:01 »

Quote from: rubyroo on March 14, 2013, 11:59

......
I also remember the thread Microbius refers to, and I think that's another great example of constructive use of the system. (So glad you didn't feel left out to dry).
......

Genuinely, it made a big difference and I really appreciated it. I didn't really need anyone to jump into the line of fire, the hearts were enough to let me know that it wasn't okay to attack me. So thanks everyone that was involved!

CD123 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 14, 2013, 13:58 »

Leaf's point is clearly not about the "use" of the voting system (as it clearly has its positives and negatives), but the "misuse" of the system. I am quite satisfied to leave it up to his good discretion to decide when a person deserves to have his right to do so removed.
His warning issued and just needs to be noted.

(Edited by adding "His")

leaf · « **Reply #27 on:** March 14, 2013, 15:33 »

Quote from: BrianM on March 14, 2013, 12:17

Hi Leaf,
I read here a lot, but don't write often.

For some reason, I don't see a way to vote on posts. I am sure my vote privs were never revoked, maybe I haven't posted enough to be able to vote yet?

You need to make 5 posts before you can vote.. you should be able to do so now.

@Lisafx - I'm not talking about agreeing a lot with someone and often giving them hearts.. I'm referring to situations where someone is giving a minus to every single post another member makes.. no matter what they say, simply to bring them down. .. In other words, if you are just voting posts up or down because agree or disagree you have nothing to worry about.

lisafx · « **Reply #28 on:** March 14, 2013, 15:41 »

Quote from: leaf on March 14, 2013, 15:33

@Lisafx - I'm not talking about agreeing a lot with someone and often giving them hearts.. I'm referring to situations where someone is giving a minus to every single post another member makes.. no matter what they say, simply to bring them down. .. In other words, if you are just voting posts up or down because agree or disagree you have nothing to worry about.

Gotcha. Probably from what you are seeing it is more obvious than I am imagining. Thanks for clarifying.

w7lwi · « **Reply #29 on:** March 14, 2013, 16:22 »

How about a change that would require a comment if a negative vote was cast. Otherwise, the vote would not be counted. Positive votes would not require a comment since they are, by definition, an agreement with whatever has been said.

lisafx · « **Reply #30 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:37 »

There are a few members here who are just snarky sarcastic A-holes with little to nothing constructive to add to any discussion. (please refer to tickstock's comments below if you need an example of what I mean)

Am I supposed to be afraid to -1 their posts now - which I specifically disagree with, either in content or tone - because it will look like a vendetta?

Personally, I would be fine with scrapping the whole +1/-1 system, but if you are going to keep it, you should allow us to vote our conscience without having to worry every time we click the arrow how those votes will be construed.

tickstock · « **Reply #31 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:41 »

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 11:37

There are a few members here who are just snarky sarcastic A-holes with little to nothing constructive to add to any discussion.

Am I supposed to be afraid to -1 their posts now - which I specifically disagree with, either in content or tone - because it will look like a vendetta?

You can always use the ignore button.

lisafx · « **Reply #32 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:43 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 15, 2013, 11:41

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 11:37
There are a few members here who are just snarky sarcastic A-holes with little to nothing constructive to add to any discussion.

Am I supposed to be afraid to -1 their posts now - which I specifically disagree with, either in content or tone - because it will look like a vendetta?
You can always use the ignore button.

Thanks for pointing that out. Very helpful.

tickstock · « **Reply #33 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:43 »

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 11:43

Quote from: tickstock on March 15, 2013, 11:41
Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 11:37
There are a few members here who are just snarky sarcastic A-holes with little to nothing constructive to add to any discussion.

Am I supposed to be afraid to -1 their posts now - which I specifically disagree with, either in content or tone - because it will look like a vendetta?
You can always use the ignore button.

Thanks for pointing that out. Very helpful.

I try.

lisafx · « **Reply #34 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:45 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 15, 2013, 11:43

I try.

Try harder.

CD123 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:47 »

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 11:37

There are a few members here who are just snarky sarcastic A-holes with little to nothing constructive to add to any discussion.

Am I supposed to be afraid to -1 their posts now - which I specifically disagree with, either in content or tone - because it will look like a vendetta?

If the person posted something not containing an opinion, like "I had good sales this month" and you -1 the "A-hole" you will be busy with a vendetta and will deserve to get your privileges revoked.
Obviously if the post was something you can "specifically disagree with" (with other words the post contained a statement or opinion one can have an opinion about/disagree with) no one in their right minds will consider it to be a vendetta.

PS I hope though that most members will judge every comment by it's merit and not by the person making the statement.

lisafx · « **Reply #36 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:51 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 15, 2013, 11:47

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 11:37
There are a few members here who are just snarky sarcastic A-holes with little to nothing constructive to add to any discussion.

Am I supposed to be afraid to -1 their posts now - which I specifically disagree with, either in content or tone - because it will look like a vendetta?

If the person posted something not containing an opinion, like "I had good sales this month" and you -1 the "A-hole" you will be busy with a vendetta and will deserve to get your privileges revoked.
Obviously if the post was something you can "specifically disagree with" (with other words the post contained a statement or opinion one can have an opinion about/disagree with) no one in their right minds will consider it to be a vendetta.

Sorry, but when there are people who don't post opinions, but constantly goad other members with sarcastic comments, I don't think it is a vendetta to -1 them on the posts where they're doing that. I don't agree with trolling when you don't have anything constructive to add to a conversation, and -1 a snarky post seems to me to be an acceptable use of the system.

PS - I am not talking about -1 every post a particular contributor makes. Just the nasty or pointless ones. Please refer to the portion of my statement which you quoted that I put in bold.

CD123 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:55 »

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 11:51

Sorry, but when there are people who don't post opinions, but constantly goad other members with sarcastic comments, I don't think it is a vendetta to -1 them on the posts where they're doing that. I don't agree with trolling when you don't have anything constructive to add to a conversation, and -1 a snarky post seems to me to be an acceptable use of the system.

PS - I am not talking about -1 every post a particular contributor makes. Just the nasty or pointless ones. Clearly you would not have to be afraid, as it will not be "misuse" of the system and clearly you will not have to fair anything, as you will be using and not be misusing the sytem.

Totally agree as that would be the type of "statement" I referred to, well deserving of the full minus treatment! Can't see any reason you have to be afraid for just using the system and not misusing it.

lisafx · « **Reply #38 on:** March 15, 2013, 12:06 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 15, 2013, 11:55

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 11:51
Sorry, but when there are people who don't post opinions, but constantly goad other members with sarcastic comments, I don't think it is a vendetta to -1 them on the posts where they're doing that. I don't agree with trolling when you don't have anything constructive to add to a conversation, and -1 a snarky post seems to me to be an acceptable use of the system.

PS - I am not talking about -1 every post a particular contributor makes. Just the nasty or pointless ones.

Clearly you would not have to be afraid, as it will not be "misuse" of the system and clearly you will not have to fair anything, as you will be using and not be misusing the sytem.

Totally agree as that would be the type of "statement" I referred to, well deserving of the full minus treatment! Can't see any reason you have to be afraid for just using the system and not misusing it.

Thanks. Just for clarity, I have italicized the portion of your comments that appeared to be quoted from me but was actually your words

CD123 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 15, 2013, 12:27 »

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 12:06

Thanks. Just for clarity, I have italicized the portion of your comments that appeared to be quoted from me but was actually your words

Funny, we where both editing same time, so that was sort of fixed. The crux - we agree

lisafx · « **Reply #40 on:** March 15, 2013, 16:14 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 15, 2013, 12:27

Quote from: lisafx on March 15, 2013, 12:06
Thanks. Just for clarity, I have italicized the portion of your comments that appeared to be quoted from me but was actually your words
Funny, we where both editing same time, so that was sort of fixed. The crux - we agree

We do indeed

leaf · « **Reply #41 on:** March 15, 2013, 18:13 »

Ok, I'm going to lock this thread now as it appears to just be 'scaring' people or giving the wrong impression - which was not the intent.

There isn't a problem with 99.99999% of the people's voting habits. If someone is making insulting posts.. give them negatives.. if you don't agree with someone, give them a negative it isn't a big deal. If you like what someone says, give them a heart and if you vote the same person up or down 5 times in a row that is OK too.

Continue as normal... nothing to see here.

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