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What do you wish Microstock had more of

Tutorials
28 (21.1%)
Photo critiques
5 (3.8%)
Debate
15 (11.3%)
News
21 (15.8%)
Reviews
15 (11.3%)
Tips
29 (21.8%)
Competitions
12 (9%)
Other?
8 (6%)

Total Members Voted: 55

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SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2010, 13:24 »
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though the open concept forum is much appreciated and needed, I do wish you would moderate a bit more to keep discussions on topic and to prevent the type of ridiculous off-roading that happens regularly here. particularly when it gets ugly. it doesn't add anything to the site.


« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, 14:22 »
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Instead of fighting each other though, we'd have to work as a unit, like an Olympic team.

Good luck with that! There are lots of people here that hate the fact that their images aren't the only ones available!

« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2010, 14:32 »
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Good luck with that! There are lots of people here that hate the fact that their images aren't the only ones available!

Yeah - I know.  That's the mentality I'd like to destroy but I know my odds in this industry. I've gotta say there are definitely groups who do it better and succeed because of it.


« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2010, 15:22 »
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Good luck with that! There are lots of people here that hate the fact that their images aren't the only ones available!

Yeah - I know.  That's the mentality I'd like to destroy but I know my odds in this industry. I've gotta say there are definitely groups who do it better and succeed because of it.



Which groups would that be?

BTW I just changed my username considering what has been said earlier on in this thread (I was stardust before, so hello again). I always felt really impolite in hiding my identity round here. The only reason I had an alias and didn't give links to my port was that I didn't want to get in trouble with Fotolia, but after reconsidering I don't really want to let them get me down in that way, if you know what I mean.

grp_photo

« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2010, 15:34 »
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more sales!  ;D

« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2010, 17:05 »
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Seeing new sites come and people dive into them, I wished we would have some sort of check list to verify about every site, legal clauses, ... 

And I wished we had a lawyer. :D

WarrenPrice

« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2010, 17:11 »
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I would really appreciate efforts for attracting designers to post on this forum. I think designer/photographer exchanges is the biggest lack in microstock. It make no sense that we don't work together

Yep.  I agree.  Also, maybe those who know could post links to sites/forums for buyer discussions.  I would love to hear their thoughts on all elements of using pictures.

michealo

« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2010, 17:54 »
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I would like a private page to enter performance data that could then be aggregated and just the aggregate shown.

Examples

I could enter portfolio size for the various sites

SS 1000
IS 200
DT 550

aggregate page would show

MSG members have
1,000,000 images on SS
800,000 images on IS
1,200,000 images on DS

start there, and move on to dls & $ if there is an interest


« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2010, 17:56 »
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And I wished we had a lawyer. :D

We have a former lawguy.  I don't enjoy looking at TOS's tho lol

red

« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2010, 18:08 »
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I like the idea of picking the brains of buyers. But, are we asking too much of buyers/designers? Is there really a method to their madness? Would they even want to participate? Do they know one micro site from another? Before becoming a contributor I bought images. I simply wanted the best image for my design/concept. I didn't care what it cost, who the photographer was, what the philosophy of the company who sold it to me was, or if the same image was available elsewhere. Now, I look at buying images from a different perspective.

I think some criteria for selecting a buyer for interviewing would be finding one who bought many images from more than one site. If you want insight into their thought process you need to find one who buys both RF and RM images. And, one who works on a number of different projects with different focuses, multiple clients. I'm not sure where to find such a power buyer. Interesting idea though.

vonkara

« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2010, 18:45 »
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I would really appreciate efforts for attracting designers to post on this forum. I think designer/photographer exchanges is the biggest lack in microstock. It make no sense that we don't work together


Yep.  I agree.  Also, maybe those who know could post links to sites/forums for buyer discussions.  I would love to hear their thoughts on all elements of using pictures.


There if you haven't see yet http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/designer-thoughts-on-microstock/

WarrenPrice

« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2010, 19:12 »
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Thanks vonkara.  I do remember that thread.  Maybe I should be doing a search and silently observe the designer sites.  Knowledge is power.   :P


« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2010, 19:32 »
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... Sure, we're all in competition but the American Olympians train together to get better. They have a common goal of beating the Canadians at hockey (AND SUCCEEDING!)  I'd like to see this group have more of a common goal of being the best at what we do.
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Not a very apt analogy - hockey is a team sport, so the athletes must practice together. It's not uncommon for elite athletes in individual sports to train in isolation - just look at Shaun White, Shani Davis, Lindsey Vonn, etc.

« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2010, 20:00 »
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Not a very apt analogy - hockey is a team sport, so the athletes must practice together. It's not uncommon for elite athletes in individual sports to train in isolation - just look at Shaun White, Shani Davis, Lindsey Vonn, etc.

Hockey was probably a bad analogy, true.  Shaun White is an exception to the rule.  Shani Davis thinks the world hates him.  A lot of the US athletes train at one of the training centers in Colorado, NY and Cali. Shaun White trained with everyone else too until he was the bestofthebest and thought his crap didn't stink (kind of like one particular top-notch stock artist now come to think of it! lol)

vonkara

« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2010, 20:38 »
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Thanks vonkara.  I do remember that thread.  Maybe I should be doing a search and silently observe the designer sites.  Knowledge is power.   :P

You will be disapointed to see that they actually never talk about stock photography. It look like I have been lucky that this designer was recovering from swine flu and wanted to talk about our standard happy smiling people pictures... and jumping gold fishes
« Last Edit: February 23, 2010, 20:44 by Vonkara »

« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2010, 05:08 »
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...wanted to talk about our standard happy smiling people pictures... and jumping gold fishes

9 things I learned about the world according to anonymous stock photo models  :P

RT


« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2010, 06:32 »
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I would really appreciate efforts for attracting designers to post on this forum. I think designer/photographer exchanges is the biggest lack in microstock. It make no sense that we don't work together

Although this sounds like a good idea in reality it would be pointless, most microstock buyers that are classed as 'designers' are in actual fact not designers per se but just someone who buys images and sticks them on websites and the like, and there are thousands of them and each one has a different perspective on how they buy images and what they look for, any input they would give you would be of no real value to you at all. Every once in a while you'll see a buyer ask for more shots of 'real people' and you'll see a flux of amateurs uploading shots of their neighbours that of course then don't sell or have the odd one or two sales, these wannabe designers think they want real people but they don't what they want is models with the 'girl (or guy) next door' look which doesn't actually mean the person next door but the person you'd like to live next door. Real people suck, they're fat, ugly, dress badly and don't take care of themselves.

As strange as it may seem it is us the photographers that dictate what sells and that is by providing the images that the 'designers' can then take the credit for, a lot of them don't know what they need until they see it.

If you want some valuable input then get hold of a good art director or marketing manager and speak to them, or just do some of your own market research.

Edit: After having typed this I read that thread you linked to earlier, that just goes to highlight what I mean about some 'designers' are clueless, getting folk like the ones who answered your questions on that site to come here would be counterproductive, I feel sorry for any real designers who might read the replies you got and then cringe at being tagged into the same group as them.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2010, 06:43 by RT »

« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2010, 11:20 »
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Wouldn't it be nice if a common subject - like "How do I upsize for Alamy?" appeared right at the top of the Alamy forum so it wouldn't be asked several times a year.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2010, 11:51 »
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I was just thinking ... John at Cutcaster and Achilles at Dreamstime have access to all the buyers ... especially the ones who buy their products.  Wonder what they think of this idea.   :P

« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2010, 12:45 »
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I know this is just semantics, but let's talk about the Big 6. With StockXpert gone, I only see 4 big earners. The rest are fairly inconsistent or consistently low.

« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2010, 12:51 »
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Wouldn't it be nice if a common subject - like "How do I upsize for Alamy?" appeared right at the top of the Alamy forum so it wouldn't be asked several times a year.

That's a good idea. It's like the sticky notes at the top of IS and SS's forums. I sometimes write articles on my blog about things I want to remember, so I have easy access to them later.   :D It works great for things like old royalty and price rates that disappear from sites. But sometimes you wonder what you used to get paid.

« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2010, 12:55 »
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I vote for more stats.  I track my own stats every way imaginable to help make sure I'm on goal and identify areas where I'm doing something really right or really wrong.

I use this site to benchmark my progress against others to see if I'm on the right course.  I like the rankings that used to be running, and saw them as another motivator to keep me uploading.

« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2010, 13:10 »
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I'm a stats junky, so I'd love more statistic. It would be nice to get anonymous site stats from users. Maybe an average site earnings or something like that. I don't know if it would work, but it's just an idea.

Definitely agree with this, more stats. We as users could make them, if people will often participate. I feel like the group here can offer some nice information.
I suppose we could always just use posts with polls, or surveymonkey.com or something.

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