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Title: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Xanox on June 20, 2013, 06:21
Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/adobe_q2_customers_disappointed_with_no_boxed_wares/ (http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/adobe_q2_customers_disappointed_with_no_boxed_wares/)


seems like their hard nosed policy backfired and now they're relaxing the rules for their new Cloud suite.
in other news also Microsoft today announced they gave up with their sick idea of forcing Xbox One users to be 24x7 connected to the internet.

good news in both cases.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: BlackJack on June 20, 2013, 06:50
Good news indeed.
Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Mantis on June 20, 2013, 06:53
Yea, well....I wouldn't hold my breath.  He says this: "we are evaluating additional options that will help them with the transition.  That implies that it will still be cloud only.  And like Nikon keeps saying, "Some" are voicing concern, when it is in all likelihood a majority.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: EmberMike on June 20, 2013, 07:44
Like Mantis mentioned, it sounds like the end goal is still cloud-based software and they're only going to look for better ways to "transition" people to Creative Cloud, so it's still a deal-breaker for me.

I'm going to upgrade to CS6 in a couple of years when it's cheap and then use the heck out of that version for as long as possible. After that, who knows, but I won't be using Creative Cloud, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 20, 2013, 09:37
In case anyone monitoring the anti-mandatory-Creative Cloud isn't aware of it, there's a Facebook page that keeps updates on most news, articles, changes, etc. here:

https://www.facebook.com/StopAdobeCC (https://www.facebook.com/StopAdobeCC)

Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on June 20, 2013, 09:52
Like Mantis mentioned, it sounds like the end goal is still cloud-based software and they're only going to look for better ways to "transition" people to Creative Cloud, so it's still a deal-breaker for me.

I'm going to upgrade to CS6 in a couple of years when it's cheap and then use the heck out of that version for as long as possible. After that, who knows, but I won't be using Creative Cloud, that's for sure.

I've run on CS3 for a long time now. CS6 will be good for at least as long.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Allsa on June 20, 2013, 09:59
Great link! thanks.

In case anyone monitoring the anti-mandatory-Creative Cloud isn't aware of it, there's a Facebook page that keeps updates on most news, articles, changes, etc. here:

https://www.facebook.com/StopAdobeCC (https://www.facebook.com/StopAdobeCC)
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Xanox on June 20, 2013, 10:07
i'm afraid for Adobe that it's gotta be a very long "transition", there are still so many countries where internet is slow or expensive or unreliable or both, and it makes no sense at all to be "in the cloud" but Adobe has just no plans for these customers, this will just foster piracy even more.


Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: rimglow on June 20, 2013, 10:58
Pirated in just one day.

http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day (http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day)
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: cthoman on June 20, 2013, 11:19
Pirated in just one day.

[url]http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day[/url] ([url]http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day[/url])


That's kind of surprising, although I suppose it is a target for hackers because of CC. I downloaded the new suite on Tuesday from Adobe. It seems nice. Not too many changes. I guess I'll have to check out the new features this weekend.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Tryingmybest on June 20, 2013, 12:54
If that's your plan, you might want to buy it now. Last time I looked I couldn't buy it from Adobe. Demand may soar for the boxed copy over the next few years.

Like Mantis mentioned, it sounds like the end goal is still cloud-based software and they're only going to look for better ways to "transition" people to Creative Cloud, so it's still a deal-breaker for me.

I'm going to upgrade to CS6 in a couple of years when it's cheap and then use the heck out of that version for as long as possible. After that, who knows, but I won't be using Creative Cloud, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: cathyslife on June 20, 2013, 17:32
Like Mantis mentioned, it sounds like the end goal is still cloud-based software and they're only going to look for better ways to "transition" people to Creative Cloud, so it's still a deal-breaker for me.

I'm going to upgrade to CS6 in a couple of years when it's cheap and then use the heck out of that version for as long as possible. After that, who knows, but I won't be using Creative Cloud, that's for sure.

Transition meaning they will lower the price until they suck more people in, then raise it sky high. I'm still out.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: dingles on June 20, 2013, 22:39
My company will not pay a monthly fee for software...point blank. Nothing I can do about it...they don't budget that way and all software gets purchased by contracted projects...they don't have th cash flo to pay monthly if they have to commit to a certain length. I know my previous company was the same way...Adobe has not considered this. Looks like we will be using CS6 for a long time and will probably. Revert to alternatives after. Similar to the subscription service Autodesk has pushed, it is hard to justify such a thing to upper management. It was hard enough to justify upgrades in general, let alone reoccurring fees. Also losing th ability to be able to open your own work because you no longer have the subscription is a big deal...right now I can not upgrade and be able to open all my work....however if I won't with CC an decided it wasn't working out, I can no longer open any of my source files?
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on June 21, 2013, 02:52
Pirated in just one day.

[url]http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day[/url] ([url]http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day[/url])


That's kind of surprising, although I suppose it is a target for hackers because of CC. I downloaded the new suite on Tuesday from Adobe. It seems nice. Not too many changes. I guess I'll have to check out the new features this weekend.


There doesn't appear to be any evidence that it has been pirated except the statement that "news is out" that it has. Which kind of suggests that someone claims to have seen a blog where someone said they had heard from a friend ......
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: sharpshot on June 21, 2013, 03:24
Pirated in just one day.

[url]http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day[/url] ([url]http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day[/url])


That's kind of surprising, although I suppose it is a target for hackers because of CC. I downloaded the new suite on Tuesday from Adobe. It seems nice. Not too many changes. I guess I'll have to check out the new features this weekend.


There doesn't appear to be any evidence that it has been pirated except the statement that "news is out" that it has. Which kind of suggests that someone claims to have seen a blog where someone said they had heard from a friend ......

They say there's a pirated torrent out here
http://petapixel.com/2013/06/19/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-apparently-been-cracked-one-day-after-launch/ (http://petapixel.com/2013/06/19/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-apparently-been-cracked-one-day-after-launch/)
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Xanox on June 21, 2013, 09:35
There doesn't appear to be any evidence that it has been pirated except the statement that "news is out" that it has. Which kind of suggests that someone claims to have seen a blog where someone said they had heard from a friend ......

it's already on PirateBay and all the major torrents sites, it's a 1.4GB file and it seems to be working 100%.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: stockastic on June 22, 2013, 14:49
They're simply abandoning most individual users, and many business users.  No company I ever worked for would do a subscription.   Imagine that accounting forgot to pay the bill, and one day you came in and couldn't open your files.  Woo hoo what a day that would be.

Those of us not in the 1% are supposed to just use Elements.  If that led to a a better version of Elements, it might be a good thing in some ways. 
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: cthoman on June 22, 2013, 17:20
Some of you must work for some strange companies. I can't imagine working somewhere where they didn't buy the software that they needed to run their business.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: shotupdave on June 22, 2013, 17:37
Some of you must work for some strange companies. I can't imagine working somewhere where they didn't buy the software that they needed to run their business.

Many of my customers when Vista came out did not upgrade to it, they stuck to their XP machines. HP and Dell actually had a downgrade option from Vista to XP. Windows 8 is now suffering the same, people are sticking with Win 7. If a piece of hardware or software continues to perform its duites why fix what is not broken.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: stockastic on June 22, 2013, 18:05
Some of you must work for some strange companies. I can't imagine working somewhere where they didn't buy the software that they needed to run their business.

Of course they will buy software, but the companies I worked for simply couldn't manage a subscription.   An invoice comes in to accounting, is matched up with a purchase order, then (eventually) gets paid.   A subscription just doesn't fit the system; it would be a constant problem involving multiple people and departments, and sooner or later it would lapse, and then you might have to start all over.  Employees at big companies would roll their eyes and groan at the idea that they'd need to keep a subscription alive and up to date.   Major PITA.   

Just my experience, possibly out of date, YMMV.

Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: dingles on June 22, 2013, 20:42
Companies do pay yearly fees for microstock subscriptions...so paying a flat yearly fee for software isn't implausible. The biggest headache is justification...every company I ever worked for required justification and it almost always comes down to the value that is provided versus costs. And they always want at least a couple of alternatives. This is a good time for alternative software to build and market...they won't dominate, but Adobe has allowed room for competition to come in a take a piece of the pie...previously there was very little room.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: cthoman on June 22, 2013, 22:00
Companies do pay yearly fees for microstock subscriptions...so paying a flat yearly fee for software isn't implausible. The biggest headache is justification...every company I ever worked for required justification and it almost always comes down to the value that is provided versus costs. And they always want at least a couple of alternatives. This is a good time for alternative software to build and market...they won't dominate, but Adobe has allowed room for competition to come in a take a piece of the pie...previously there was very little room.

Justification is always necessary with every expense, but the cost isn't very much. I pay for my monthly subscription cost in a day, and I'm not a very profitable business.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: dingles on June 22, 2013, 23:21
Companies do pay yearly fees for microstock subscriptions...so paying a flat yearly fee for software isn't implausible. The biggest headache is justification...every company I ever worked for required justification and it almost always comes down to the value that is provided versus costs. And they always want at least a couple of alternatives. This is a good time for alternative software to build and market...they won't dominate, but Adobe has allowed room for competition to come in a take a piece of the pie...previously there was very little room.

Justification is always necessary with every expense, but the cost isn't very much. I pay for my monthly subscription cost in a day, and I'm not a very profitable business.

It's not the price it's price versus what is being offered. For example I currently have CS6...my company generally upgrades us every 2-3 years unless we push with reason...my next upgrade is going to be a tough sell because in top of figuring out the added value the upgrade brings, They have to accept a yearly subscription fee (monthly won't fly)...so technically they may be paying 2-3 times more for the software over the course of 3 years as opposed to a single upgrade fee to a version we would use 2-3 years typically around $300-600...now I will be $1800...may seem like small peanuts to you, but considering I work along side 20 other designers and developers we are talking 12,000 vs 36,000 for software over the course of 3 years. To the corporate bean counters...that is a hit.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Anyka on June 23, 2013, 00:20
I'd like to buy CS6 now too, but cannot find any place still selling it ?? 
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Metsafile on June 23, 2013, 07:50
I ordered and got my CS6 a few weeks ago but it was like - I'm not sure it's still available, we'll call you if we can't locate one.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: tab62 on June 23, 2013, 09:46
on a joking side- one of the benefits of a cloud program? It's FREE!  ;)     This might make a lot of companies realize that they should stick with the traditional boxed software. Personally I like to be able to hold something - it adds a mental (tangible) meaning to me...
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: w7lwi on June 23, 2013, 14:18
I'd like to buy CS6 now too, but cannot find any place still selling it ??


Try here.  I just bought my copy a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.thesoftwaretechstore.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Adobe+Photoshop+CS6 (http://www.thesoftwaretechstore.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Adobe+Photoshop+CS6)
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Anyka on June 23, 2013, 14:50
I'd like to buy CS6 now too, but cannot find any place still selling it ??


Try here.  I just bought my copy a couple of weeks ago.

[url]http://www.thesoftwaretechstore.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Adobe+Photoshop+CS6[/url] ([url]http://www.thesoftwaretechstore.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Adobe+Photoshop+CS6[/url])

Thanks!  I just gave it a try, but then at checkout I got the notice "Please note that you must buy a minimum of 5 Client access licenses (CALs) per purchase."  What would that mean?    (I was trying to buy the upgrade from CS5 to CS6, photoshop only).
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: cathyslife on June 23, 2013, 17:30
I'd like to buy CS6 now too, but cannot find any place still selling it ??


Try here.  I just bought my copy a couple of weeks ago.

[url]http://www.thesoftwaretechstore.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Adobe+Photoshop+CS6[/url] ([url]http://www.thesoftwaretechstore.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Adobe+Photoshop+CS6[/url])

Thanks!  I just gave it a try, but then at checkout I got the notice "Please note that you must buy a minimum of 5 Client access licenses (CALs) per purchase."  What would that mean?    (I was trying to buy the upgrade from CS5 to CS6, photoshop only).


That means that they are making you purchase 5 licenses, not just one. So whatever the cost for 1 license, multiply by 5 or thereabouts, and that's what it will cost you. At least that's what I get from it. But w7lwi said he/she bought a copy, so not sure why they could just buy one license and you can't. Maybe the store is getting greedy because they know there is a demand?
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: w7lwi on June 23, 2013, 17:47
I was going from CS4 extended to just a "normal" CS6.  So rather than an upgrade, I simply purchased a new CS6 disc for $449.  No problem.

edit to correct price.
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: OM on June 23, 2013, 18:02
I'd like to buy CS6 now too, but cannot find any place still selling it ??


Here and it's on special offer.........not that it's cheap at 665 ex 21% VAT.

http://www.gdejongh.nl/adobe/photoshop+cs6/engels (http://www.gdejongh.nl/adobe/photoshop+cs6/engels)

Upgrade is cheaper:

http://www.gdejongh.nl/adobe/photoshop+cs6/nederlands (http://www.gdejongh.nl/adobe/photoshop+cs6/nederlands)
Title: Re: Adobe CEO admits need to 'tweak' Creative Suite's cloud-only policy
Post by: Anyka on June 26, 2013, 13:30
I finally got my upgrade!  After checking out on the Adobe site, I always landed on an error page.  So I called the Belgian Adobe desk and I got a very nice English speaking guy who tried to convince me NOT to buy the upgrade to CS6.  His reasons :  (1) the new cloud system was soooo much more interesting, and (2) why upgrade while CS6 had almost nothing better to offer than CS5 !! (really!!)
I just kept on saying that I really wanted to buy the upgrade, and I kept on asking if it was still possible, and finally he asked my Adobe login name and sold me the upgrade.  So, it's still possible, you simply have to be more stubborn than Adobe   ;)
I'm not going to install it immediately.  I only wanted it for my new pc in Sept/October, but I'm sure we won't be able to buy it anymore then.