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« on: December 10, 2007, 08:11 »
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I am not sure what first to use in the work flow: Noise Ninja and then all other adjustments?
There reason I am confused is that Noise Ninja also does sharpening , but usually sharpening is recommended as the last editing step.

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 11:42 »
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Using Noise Ninja at all should be the exception, not the rule. You should also make a separate layer, use Noise Ninja on that, and mask the results so only the areas that really need it get the effect.

I convert from RAW to 16 bit files; all the tone adjustments are done as adjustment layers. The original image layer is untouched, above that is a cleanup layer for cloning out blemishes or logos. Then (with all the adjustment layers turned off), make a new layer of the result (Stamp Visible), use Noise Ninja on that, and mask.

That way, if you need to make any changes, the worst you have to re-do is making a new merged layer and running Noise Ninja on it; the mask is still intact.

« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 15:19 »
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The very first thing I do after RAW conversion is use Noise Ninja. I use it on every shot - even the ones shot at ISO 50. It's a very flexible and easy-to-use program.

Use Noise Ninja to remove noise, not for sharpening or anything else. It really shines when you use it on separate layers so that you can fine tune the noise reduction on different parts of your image (e.g. strong for shadow areas and sky, weak for faces, ...).

« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2007, 09:35 »
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thank you, sharply_done. i got it that every image from digital camera better be processed for noise removal. NN guys told me that I should run it after LR; that makes sense if one looks at the order of LR controls: noise removal there is the step after all the tonal adjustments.

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jsnover

« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2007, 13:10 »
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I guess the answer depends upon which RAW converter you use. I use DxO Optics pro and although their default noise reduction is way too much, I have a preset that does very slightly apply noise reduction as part of RAW conversion.

But I would still say that if you find large areas of your ISO 100 shots need Noise Ninja, you should look at what's wrong with the expsoure.

Images from point and shoots at high ISO are typicallly very noisy, but Canon and Nikon DSLRs at low ISO with proper exposure are generally fine unless there's a very deep shadow area somewhere or the image is underexposed.

Noise Ninja is a great tool, but you will remove detail when you use it, so it's important to do so only when necessary.

« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2007, 19:43 »
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yes, my Canon 40D has noise in the very dark shadows of images. Good that you mentioned that...  With NN one can selectively remove noise from part of the images. So far I could not figure
out to make it work.

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