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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2017, 08:37 »
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Please excuse my ignorance but what is Lightroom classic? I am so confused with all these versions.

I have Lightroom 6.0 standalone and now, reading this thread I thought I check for updates if Lr 6 is going away.
The only update is Lightroom CC (2015.12)/6.12 (This update to Lightroom CC includes bug fixes and new camera support.)
Is Lightroom CC and Lightroom 6 the same thing?
I don't want subscription, so can I update to Lightroom CC (2015.12)/6.12 without paying a subscription?

This is what I see on Adobe site:
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Get the latest features and bug fixes by simply updating Lightroom to the latest version.
What is the most current version?

Lightroom CC/Lightroom 6

    The latest/most current version of Lightroom CC is 2015.12 and Lightroom 6 is 6.12.

I just want to be sure.


« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2017, 08:46 »
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I have made the upgrade to Lightroom Classic.
I must say that I am not happy at all!
Adobe has made a very bad work this time: all is very very slow.

Not only me by the way: https://forums.adobe.com/message/9905229#9905229
That is why I am afraid to update.  What was your previous version?

Chichikov

« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2017, 09:14 »
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^ 6.12, and always worked perfectly.
I was just expecting something faster, but it is the exact contrary :(
Some operations like importing are maybe faster (not sure) but this is not where I need the application to be faster; I need it to be faster when using the develop module.
(Thinking to go back with time machine)

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https://www.outdoorphotographer.com/lightroom-cc-vs-lightroom-classic/
« Last Edit: October 21, 2017, 09:16 by Chichikov »

« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2017, 09:45 »
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^ 6.12, and always worked perfectly.
I was just expecting something faster, but it is the exact contrary :(
Some operations like importing are maybe faster (not sure) but this is not where I need the application to be faster; I need it to be faster when using the develop module.
(Thinking to go back with time machine)

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https://www.outdoorphotographer.com/lightroom-cc-vs-lightroom-classic/

Thank you. So now you have LR classic CC.
I've read that article before and it messed my head even more. So this is not true:
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Lightroom Classic CC (a.k.a. Lightroom-As-We-Knew-It) is the unchanged Lightroom we have grown to depend on. So, that’s good news. Lightroom Classic CC will also work better than ever.

I'll try to update from LR 6.0 to 6.12 and if something goes wrong I still have the DVD to reinstall. I almost never use LR, I hate programs that organize for me, so I can't lose much.

Thanks again.

« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2017, 11:10 »
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I made the update and it managed to mess up my entire system. Lr doesn't even start. The web is full of complaints about this so, take care! Adobe doesn't bother to list the system requirements.
Now I can start uninstalling and reinstalling.
He/l with Adobe.

« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2017, 12:57 »
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I have made the upgrade to Lightroom Classic.
I must say that I am not happy at all!
Adobe has made a very bad work this time: all is very very slow.

Not only me by the way: https://forums.adobe.com/message/9905229#9905229

Also a lot of complaints on Photoshop CC 2018.  Very slow and clunky and brushes like the Healing Brush take 10 or more seconds to work. 

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/healing-and-spot-healing-brush-lag

« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2017, 05:18 »
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I was just expecting something faster, but it is the exact contrary :(
The update changes everything Adobe on your computer, Bridge, Camera raw, PS, Premiere. Plus, the creative cloud exe. was welcoming me as a new cloud member. This could be the reason (or maybe not) for the slowdow, anyway, I didn't ask for it so I uninstalled it immediately.

I updated two machines, an i7 with win 10 which worked and my older, still running win 7 where the LR update didn't work but changed all the rest.
I don't see any slow down yet, I see the interface has changed on adobe programs but I had no time to experiment yet.

I mostly wanted the update for the Panasonic profile which Adobe says it is there but it is not.

Chichikov

« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2017, 06:53 »
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^
Maybe I did not understand well, but I believe that the new LR version needs Windows 10, and 16 GB RAM is recommended.

Well I am on Mac and I have (different) problems too.

This post (with graphs), on the Adobe forum, reflects my experience (the end is very close to what happened to me):
https://forums.adobe.com/message/9906105#9906105

« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2017, 07:16 »
+1
I call a "Verschlimmbesserung"

Semmick Photo

« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2017, 08:43 »
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I haveLR 6.0 so I wont update to 6.12 then.

To be honest, I havent noticed any performance results or crashes with LR 6

« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2017, 09:49 »
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I haveLR 6.0 so I wont update to 6.12 then.

To be honest, I havent noticed any performance results or crashes with LR 6

Well, honestly I don't see the poit to update but as I already lost half the day researchig, I'll share my findings for others, maybe interested.

I compared the updated LR with the old one on two computers and this is the result:

Though system info says the new one is LR 6.12 still

- no new camera or lens profiles
- only one of the new features show, it is called "transform"
- no dehaze, no new presets

As I said before the new one is on Win 10, the old one is on Win7 professional (64-bit)

These are just my results, others could be luckier.

In case it is helpful to anyone, according to Adobe the update can be installed on wIN 7 SP1(64-bit) and newer,
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/system-requirements.html

It's CC that needs the Microsoft Visual C++2015 Redistributable (64 & 86-bit) system update to be installed.

This is the error message I get on Win 7:
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Error when launching

The program can't start because api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem.

https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/kb/vc2015_update.html

So I'll just keep the LR 6.0 on Win 7, I don't want to mess with my OS for nothing.

« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2017, 12:14 »
+1
These days I never update any software until I really have to as 95% of the time the incremental improvements are not worth the angst and I let the early adopters do the user acceptance testing  :o

« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2017, 12:27 »
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These days I never update any software until I really have to as 95% of the time the incremental improvements are not worth the angst and I let the early adopters do the user acceptance testing  :o
That is a very healthy idea, it was my intention too when I asked the question here. Not much help though.
Not to mention that now, all the sudden, my mail is full with CC "kind offerings", emails.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 12:33 by Dodie »

« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2017, 15:56 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.

Both of which are already in Capture One Pro, which is what I've switched to, as part of their local adjustment layers

I downloaded C1 pro trial version, but I'm unable to find the luminosity mask feature. I couldn't find any tutorials related to it. Can you please indicate where is this feature hidden?

^ 6.12, and always worked perfectly.
I was just expecting something faster, but it is the exact contrary :(
Some operations like importing are maybe faster (not sure) but this is not where I need the application to be faster; I need it to be faster when using the develop module.
(Thinking to go back with time machine)

–––––
https://www.outdoorphotographer.com/lightroom-cc-vs-lightroom-classic/

Have you tried to disable the GPU option? I remember this was a problem some time ago. If your video card is not powerful enough, you can be better off by just using the just the processor.
I have a decently expensive video card and my develop module is visibly faster, while the library module is significantly faster.

I have made the upgrade to Lightroom Classic.
I must say that I am not happy at all!
Adobe has made a very bad work this time: all is very very slow.

Not only me by the way: https://forums.adobe.com/message/9905229#9905229

Also a lot of complaints on Photoshop CC 2018.  Very slow and clunky and brushes like the Healing Brush take 10 or more seconds to work. 

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/healing-and-spot-healing-brush-lag

I tested the healing brush. It is no different than before, instantaneous, nothing like the video presented.

« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2017, 16:22 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.

Both of which are already in Capture One Pro, which is what I've switched to, as part of their local adjustment layers

I downloaded C1 pro trial version, but I'm unable to find the luminosity mask feature. I couldn't find any tutorials related to it. Can you please indicate where is this feature hidden?

^ 6.12, and always worked perfectly.
I was just expecting something faster, but it is the exact contrary :(
Some operations like importing are maybe faster (not sure) but this is not where I need the application to be faster; I need it to be faster when using the develop module.
(Thinking to go back with time machine)

–––––
https://www.outdoorphotographer.com/lightroom-cc-vs-lightroom-classic/

Have you tried to disable the GPU option? I remember this was a problem some time ago. If your video card is not powerful enough, you can be better off by just using the just the processor.
I have a decently expensive video card and my develop module is visibly faster, while the library module is significantly faster.

I have made the upgrade to Lightroom Classic.
I must say that I am not happy at all!
Adobe has made a very bad work this time: all is very very slow.

Not only me by the way: https://forums.adobe.com/message/9905229#9905229

Also a lot of complaints on Photoshop CC 2018.  Very slow and clunky and brushes like the Healing Brush take 10 or more seconds to work. 

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/healing-and-spot-healing-brush-lag

I tested the healing brush. It is no different than before, instantaneous, nothing like the video presented.

Same here.

« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2017, 16:47 »
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Guys, take care, there is much more misery to this update, I find them gradually as I go to use things like:

Adobe has deactivated most of my other media programs, even deleted the shortcut icons from the desktop.
I like win 10's Movies & TV app, it plays 4k video very well but now it is deactivated, something with the rootkit on the error message.

I have all my stuff on external drive and I cannot open a single video.
Also Infranview vanished and who knows what else.

This was a brand new i7 with OS and all programs newly installed, now it is full of garbage.
Thanks god I created a restore point before the update and restored the system but now LR doesn't open, instead there is a login window to my Adobe account, each time I open it and it demands internet access. After I log in it says that I have 30 days free trial, hear that, to my own perpetual copy, that is outrageous.

Adobe pushes everyone to the cloud with this update, what a scam.

« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2017, 16:54 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.

Both of which are already in Capture One Pro, which is what I've switched to, as part of their local adjustment layers

I downloaded C1 pro trial version, but I'm unable to find the luminosity mask feature. I couldn't find any tutorials related to it.

Terminology varies product to product. The feature in C1 Pro is to create a mask (for a local adjustment layer) from a selection in the color editor.

https://help.phaseone.com/en/CO10/Editing-photos/Local-Adjustment.aspx#item17

https://fstoppers.com/education/how-create-adjustment-layers-based-color-capture-one-9-103450
If you look at tutorials on using the (up to 16) layers for local adjustments and using the Color Editor, you'll have what you need. It isn't highlighted as new in version 10 because it was introduced in version 9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-KkdyxuNFk

« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2017, 17:20 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.

Both of which are already in Capture One Pro, which is what I've switched to, as part of their local adjustment layers

I downloaded C1 pro trial version, but I'm unable to find the luminosity mask feature. I couldn't find any tutorials related to it.

Terminology varies product to product. The feature in C1 Pro is to create a mask (for a local adjustment layer) from a selection in the color editor.

https://help.phaseone.com/en/CO10/Editing-photos/Local-Adjustment.aspx#item17

https://fstoppers.com/education/how-create-adjustment-layers-based-color-capture-one-9-103450
If you look at tutorials on using the (up to 16) layers for local adjustments and using the Color Editor, you'll have what you need. It isn't highlighted as new in version 10 because it was introduced in version 9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-KkdyxuNFk

Thanks, Jo Ann!
I was able to figure out the color masking tool from the first 2 tutorials you referred to.

However, this NOT a luminosity mask. It is a color mask. As I said, I found nothing about luminosity masking in C1.

The new LR Classic has both. Moreover, the color masks, as well as the luminosity masks, are also applicable to local adjustments, like the gradient, brush or radial filters, while, from what I see, C1 has only a global color masking feature.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 17:23 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2017, 17:54 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.

Both of which are already in Capture One Pro, which is what I've switched to, as part of their local adjustment layers

I downloaded C1 pro trial version, but I'm unable to find the luminosity mask feature. I couldn't find any tutorials related to it.

Terminology varies product to product. The feature in C1 Pro is to create a mask (for a local adjustment layer) from a selection in the color editor.

https://help.phaseone.com/en/CO10/Editing-photos/Local-Adjustment.aspx#item17

https://fstoppers.com/education/how-create-adjustment-layers-based-color-capture-one-9-103450
If you look at tutorials on using the (up to 16) layers for local adjustments and using the Color Editor, you'll have what you need. It isn't highlighted as new in version 10 because it was introduced in version 9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-KkdyxuNFk

Thanks, Jo Ann!
I was able to figure out the color masking tool from the first 2 tutorials you referred to.

However, this NOT a luminosity mask. It is a color mask. As I said, I found nothing about luminosity masking in C1.

The new LR Classic has both. Moreover, the color masks, as well as the luminosity masks, are also applicable to local adjustments, like the gradient, brush or radial filters, while, from what I see, C1 has only a global color masking feature.

When you make a new masked layer you can adjust every parameter on that, including exposure, brighness, contrast, white balance.. you just have to make sure you're using the sliders on the "local adjustments" tab (it has the icon of a brush)

« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2017, 18:44 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.

Both of which are already in Capture One Pro, which is what I've switched to, as part of their local adjustment layers

I downloaded C1 pro trial version, but I'm unable to find the luminosity mask feature. I couldn't find any tutorials related to it.

Terminology varies product to product. The feature in C1 Pro is to create a mask (for a local adjustment layer) from a selection in the color editor.

https://help.phaseone.com/en/CO10/Editing-photos/Local-Adjustment.aspx#item17

https://fstoppers.com/education/how-create-adjustment-layers-based-color-capture-one-9-103450
If you look at tutorials on using the (up to 16) layers for local adjustments and using the Color Editor, you'll have what you need. It isn't highlighted as new in version 10 because it was introduced in version 9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-KkdyxuNFk

Thanks, Jo Ann!
I was able to figure out the color masking tool from the first 2 tutorials you referred to.

However, this NOT a luminosity mask. It is a color mask. As I said, I found nothing about luminosity masking in C1.

The new LR Classic has both. Moreover, the color masks, as well as the luminosity masks, are also applicable to local adjustments, like the gradient, brush or radial filters, while, from what I see, C1 has only a global color masking feature.

When you make a new masked layer you can adjust every parameter on that, including exposure, brighness, contrast, white balance.. you just have to make sure you're using the sliders on the "local adjustments" tab (it has the icon of a brush)

I got that, but again, this is NOT luminosity masking. It is just a local adjustment, not very much different than what LR already had.
In other words, it means that you will still have to manually select the edge of the mountain with a brush, if you only want to darken the sky.
You can forget about that when you have a dark tree against bright sky (or some dark hair against a bright background). Masking will be very tedious and imperfect, even if the tool has a decent edge detect feature.

On the other hand, luminosity masking is allowing you to modify all the parameters you mentioned, but selectively, only for highlights, darks or the luminosity range you need.

Watch this new LR Classic tutorial: https://youtu.be/SFuHYJvBXIQ to understand what I'm talking about.

I also recommend to watch some of Jimmy McIntyre's tutorials on Youtube to understand the broad luminosity masking concept and the logic behind it.

While Jimmy's tools offer maximum flexibility in Photoshop, LR Classic is bringing a lot of that inside LR (especially useful when combined with 32bits processing).
This nice upgrade doesn't make Jimmy's tools obsolete, because we might still want to layer different files, for a more elaborate masking

Meanwhile I also checked ON1 RAW. They come much closer to the RAW luminosity masking concept than C1 Pro 10.
ON1 offers the option to apply any local adjustments only to the highlights, midtones or the darks and to adjust their luminosity range.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 19:49 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2017, 21:05 »
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I tested the healing brush. It is no different than before, instantaneous, nothing like the video presented.

Same here.

Correction: I can actually see a lag, indeed. Not annoying, but definitely there.

« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2017, 10:57 »
+2
I have been working on the new Lightroom Classic CC and I like it a lot.
Here are my impressions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uidB0VbI5rc

« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2017, 12:23 »
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I have been working on the new Lightroom Classic CC and I like it a lot.
Here are my impressions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uidB0VbI5rc

You look so serious but you are funny at the same time.  :)
So how is you tango skill, today?  ;D

« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2017, 13:06 »
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I have been working on the new Lightroom Classic CC and I like it a lot.
Here are my impressions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uidB0VbI5rc

You look so serious but you are funny at the same time.  :)
So how is you tango skill, today?  ;D
Thanks,
the thing is that it takes two to tango :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIACd2fMQFs

« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2017, 14:43 »
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I took a look at trial versions of Luminar and ON1 Photo RAW just to see how they measure up. Bottom line is that there are some nice features but both have issues for my workflow that rule them out.

More details and some samples here (not full reviews, just a quick look primarily at the quality of the output, without which all the rest of the nice UI doesn't much matter to me)

http://www.digitalbristles.com/on1-luminar-quick-look/


 

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