Author Topic: A call to arms - Support StockFresh (Read 40436 times)

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #50 on:** May 18, 2012, 05:53 »

Quote from: Microbius on May 18, 2012, 03:22

I wonder if Peter is actually actively working on the business, or has just left it to tick over as some residual income while he gets on with new projects?

Good question. Scanstock seems to work that way, hardly any costs, hardly any effort and a bit of a cash return. It's probably more lucrative and less effort than creating your own images and trying to find people to sell them and, who knows, sometime someone in a suit might give you a suitcase full of dosh for a site like that.

ShadySue · « **Reply #51 on:** May 18, 2012, 06:39 »

Quote from: lisafx on May 17, 2012, 17:55

Quote from: dehooks on May 17, 2012, 17:47

True. Microstock contributor = cynic.

You're right, and it's really too bad it's come to this. A few years ago, this forum and others were filled with optimism. I didn't start out as a cynic, and I'll bet most of us didn't. It's the actions of the agencies and the trends over the past couple of years that have made cynics out of so many of us.

"A Cynic is a disappointed optimist" (various attributions, and a variant 'idealist' instead of optimist)
Also, in trying to find the origin of the above, I found:
"Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be."
Ambrose Bierce

leaf · « **Reply #52 on:** May 18, 2012, 07:26 »

one post was removed due to language. Share your feelings and disagree but keep the language clean.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #53 on:** May 18, 2012, 09:33 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 17, 2012, 17:28

Some people were excited about PD for a while, and I started submtting there, but it went nowhere. Their prices and commissions are just too low, so I'm wondering why I bothered, and thinking I'll close that account. ...

I still submit to PD - started in late November, made my first payout in April (only just got it May 15 which I don't like) and am just over 1/3 of the way to my next payout. When I compare that to $23.50 from StockFresh since last June or July, and a RPD of just under $1, I think it's still worth uploading to.

Deposit Photos isn't for me. Low commissions and some business practices I don't think are OK.

On another note, I see helix7 left rather abruptly. I don't at all agree that people in the forums are all just looking for things to be bad. Some of us have just had a rough few years with agencies who have gone from treating us like partners - valuable partners in some cases - to an irritating cost of doing business to be looted and plundered where possible.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #54 on:** May 18, 2012, 10:31 »

It's a pity if he took his ball home. Good luck to him.
He seems to have forgotten (if he's been around long enough) that StockXpert and Fotolia were both meant to be God's gift to photographers against the evil iStock. Before that, iStock was championing the little guy against the evil might of the Getty empire. What happened to all those agencies? As soon as they were big enough their owners went looking for a big payday to line their pockets ... and to H*ll with the interests of their contributors.
When the same people come back with the same story of being the champion of the little guy, is it surprising that their blandishments are met with scepticism?

ouchie · « **Reply #55 on:** May 18, 2012, 11:18 »

OOOOOPPS, post removed due to language, i wsnt thinking, sorry. here it is cleaned up.

have not read the posts BUT-----------------the heck with-----------------------------STOCKFRESH!

What other co. you know that does not even review your inital port.

Just tell me i stink and fail me! My port has been in review since they jst abt started. wasted time uploading to those (insert exxplative) relating to a bodily orifice.

I HATE new little co. (i know they were stockx) but now they are just another little new comp.

little co. jst wast your time uploading and then u get 2 sales a year.

bite me stock fresh

stockastic · « **Reply #56 on:** May 18, 2012, 14:39 »

Quote from: jsnover on May 18, 2012, 09:33

Quote from: stockastic on May 17, 2012, 17:28
Some people were excited about PD for a while, and I started submtting there, but it went nowhere. Their prices and commissions are just too low, so I'm wondering why I bothered, and thinking I'll close that account. ...

I still submit to PD - started in late November, made my first payout in April (only just got it May 15 which I don't like) and am just over 1/3 of the way to my next payout. When I compare that to $23.50 from StockFresh since last June or July, and a RPD of just under $1, I think it's still worth uploading to.

I actually got a sale today: 33 cents. Isn't PD just making on-demand sales at subscription prices? What are we accomplishing, when we give them our products, except helping them make money by taking sales away from SS or DT?

I plan to close my account there as soon as I get to payout. I'm just not seeing the point.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #57 on:** May 18, 2012, 14:58 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 14:39

Quote from: jsnover on May 18, 2012, 09:33
Quote from: stockastic on May 17, 2012, 17:28
Some people were excited about PD for a while, and I started submtting there, but it went nowhere. Their prices and commissions are just too low, so I'm wondering why I bothered, and thinking I'll close that account. ...

I still submit to PD - started in late November, made my first payout in April (only just got it May 15 which I don't like) and am just over 1/3 of the way to my next payout. When I compare that to $23.50 from StockFresh since last June or July, and a RPD of just under $1, I think it's still worth uploading to.

I actually got a sale today: 33 cents. Isn't PD just making on-demand sales at subscription prices? What are we accomplishing, when we give them our products, except helping them make money by taking sales away from SS or DT?

I plan to close my account there as soon as I get to payout. I'm just not seeing the point.

I have a hard time getting past the "bold" statement. Is it an argument for going exclusive?

And, if not, how do you determine which agencies are best to represent your work ... without diluting the same images at another agency?

stockastic · « **Reply #58 on:** May 18, 2012, 15:30 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on May 18, 2012, 14:58

Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 14:39
Quote from: jsnover on May 18, 2012, 09:33
Quote from: stockastic on May 17, 2012, 17:28
Some people were excited about PD for a while, and I started submtting there, but it went nowhere. Their prices and commissions are just too low, so I'm wondering why I bothered, and thinking I'll close that account. ...

I still submit to PD - started in late November, made my first payout in April (only just got it May 15 which I don't like) and am just over 1/3 of the way to my next payout. When I compare that to $23.50 from StockFresh since last June or July, and a RPD of just under $1, I think it's still worth uploading to.

I actually got a sale today: 33 cents. Isn't PD just making on-demand sales at subscription prices? What are we accomplishing, when we give them our products, except helping them make money by taking sales away from SS or DT?

I plan to close my account there as soon as I get to payout. I'm just not seeing the point.

I have a hard time getting past the "bold" statement. Is it an argument for going exclusive?

And, if not, how do you determine which agencies are best to represent your work ... without diluting the same images at another agency?

No , being exclusive would never make sense to me, because it's too hard to undo that decision later. There are reasons to be on multiple agencies; it's something of a bulwark against outright abuse. But if the small new agencies are offering us exactly the same 33 cents as the big ones, we're not stopping the erosion of prices, in fact we're contributing to it.

I have my stuff on the big 3, plus GL, PD and CC. Only GL seems to be making sense to me at this point and I don't see a reason to diversify with more "me too" sites that aren't doing anything differently from existing ones. Like everyone, I want to kick back against big agencies that made us jump through all their approval hoops, then slashed commissions and changed all the rules. But I don't want to do it by just dumping my products at bargain basements across the street. Hope I'm making a coherent point and not just ranting...

luissantos84 · « **Reply #59 on:** May 18, 2012, 16:49 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 15:30

I actually got a sale today: 33 cents. Isn't PD just making on-demand sales at subscription prices?

again thats your own experience, I have close to 200$ and 253 sales (RPD at 0.79$)

lisafx · « **Reply #60 on:** May 18, 2012, 17:42 »

Quote from: jsnover on May 18, 2012, 09:33

On another note, I see helix7 left rather abruptly. I don't at all agree that people in the forums are all just looking for things to be bad. Some of us have just had a rough few years with agencies who have gone from treating us like partners - valuable partners in some cases - to an irritating cost of doing business to be looted and plundered where possible.

Yes, exactly.

Quote from: ShadySue on May 18, 2012, 06:39

"A Cynic is a disappointed optimist" (various attributions, and a variant 'idealist' instead of optimist)
Also, in trying to find the origin of the above, I found:
"Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be."
Ambrose Bierce

Great quotes Liz! Sums it up perfectly!

Mike, I am sorry to see you go. You are one that always adds value and insight to the discussion. Sometimes we disagree (mostly not, though) but your opinions are always worth reading and provide good food for thought. Hope once you've taken a break you decide to return, either under the Helix7 name or some other identity.

stockastic · « **Reply #61 on:** May 18, 2012, 19:04 »

Come back helix7! It's boring when everyone agrees. Your OP was well written and kicked off an interesting discussion. I'm not even convinced I'm right.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #62 on:** May 18, 2012, 19:09 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 14:39

I actually got a sale today: 33 cents. Isn't PD just making on-demand sales at subscription prices? ...

For a subscription, you can (generally) get any size for 33 cents, 35 cents, 38 or whatever. For PD, I get $2.67 for the largest size and for 33 cents the buyer just gets a 548x365 XS (blog) image. It's not the same as subs at all

velocicarpo · « **Reply #63 on:** May 18, 2012, 19:34 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 19:04

Come back helix7! It's boring when everyone agrees. Your OP was well written and kicked off an interesting discussion. I'm not even convinced I'm right.

I second that! COME BACK HELIX!!! Don`t be a pu***y

Mantis · « **Reply #64 on:** May 18, 2012, 19:38 »

Quote from: velocicarpo on May 18, 2012, 19:34

Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 19:04
Come back helix7! It's boring when everyone agrees. Your OP was well written and kicked off an interesting discussion. I'm not even convinced I'm right.

I second that! COME BACK HELIX!!! Don`t be a pu***y

He never said he was leaving. He only inferred that he was done with this thread.

gostwyck · « **Reply #65 on:** May 18, 2012, 20:10 »

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stockastic · « **Reply #66 on:** May 18, 2012, 20:44 »

Quote from: jsnover on May 18, 2012, 19:09

Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 14:39

I actually got a sale today: 33 cents. Isn't PD just making on-demand sales at subscription prices? ...

For a subscription, you can (generally) get any size for 33 cents, 35 cents, 38 or whatever. For PD, I get $2.67 for the largest size and for 33 cents the buyer just gets a 548x365 XS (blog) image. It's not the same as subs at all

There must be something I don't understand. I've never gotten 2.67 at PD. I had one that paid me 1.65 - every other sale paid me 99/66/33 cents. I don't see the size of the image being reported along with the sale...?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #67 on:** May 18, 2012, 21:51 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 20:44

There must be something I don't understand. I've never gotten 2.67 at PD. I had one that paid me 1.65 - every other sale paid me 99/66/33 cents. I don't see the size of the image being reported along with the sale...?

In my statement tab I see the amount I got paid, the rate (33%) and then the Price column on the right - that's what the buyer paid. I meant $2.97 not $2.67 - that's for a $9 XXL sale and it's $2.31 for a $7 sale.

It doesn't show size but if you look at the image page it says $9 is for an XXL, $ for XL and so on. I'm inferring the size from the price.

velocicarpo · « **Reply #68 on:** May 18, 2012, 22:04 »

Quote from: Mantis on May 18, 2012, 19:38

Quote from: velocicarpo on May 18, 2012, 19:34
Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 19:04
Come back helix7! It's boring when everyone agrees. Your OP was well written and kicked off an interesting discussion. I'm not even convinced I'm right.

I second that! COME BACK HELIX!!! Don`t be a pu***y

He never said he was leaving. He only inferred that he was done with this thread.

His account is disabled.

sharpshot · « **Reply #69 on:** May 19, 2012, 04:09 »

Perhaps helix7 is on a temporary ban. Lots of people lose it occasionally in the forum and are back a few weeks later. Others pop up with a new name, Looks like Slovenian is back, giving people the chance to use the ignore button again

Mantis · « **Reply #70 on:** May 19, 2012, 06:50 »

Quote from: velocicarpo on May 18, 2012, 22:04

Quote from: Mantis on May 18, 2012, 19:38
Quote from: velocicarpo on May 18, 2012, 19:34
Quote from: stockastic on May 18, 2012, 19:04
Come back helix7! It's boring when everyone agrees. Your OP was well written and kicked off an interesting discussion. I'm not even convinced I'm right.

I second that! COME BACK HELIX!!! Don`t be a pu***y

He never said he was leaving. He only inferred that he was done with this thread.

His account is disabled.

Wow, too bad. I enjoy most of his posts. He has a pretty sensible demeanor.

EmberMike · « **Reply #71 on:** May 19, 2012, 13:00 »

Hey guys. Sorry to cut and run. And thanks for the kind emails I've received.

I'm not banned. Just need to step away from the forums for a while. Sorry I didn't fully explain that, and please know that this is not only because of this thread. Right now I just feel like I'm wasting time here, there's no real discussion around anything positive these days, and I really need a break from all of the agency talk. It's not going anywhere.

I also had the opportunity to meet with some folks at SS recently and one of the things that came out of that conversation was a renewed realization that focusing on my work is what matters, and the rest of it is all just silly little stuff. There's nothing good coming out of being concerned with a lot of the things we get concerned with here.

So I'm focusing on my work, which really is the only thing that makes any difference in my income and it used to be what people talked about around here. Now it's all just which agency is screwing us over, which new whatever is bad for business, etc. None of this is helpful, and none of these discussions lead to any positive change.

I'll still be keeping in touch with the small regular group of folks I talk to on Skype and via email. I still love talking shop about microstock, that will never change. But the forums aren't the place for me to do that anymore. Anyone looking to reach me can do so through my website, emberstock.com.

If I do come back to the forums it will be under this new username, but that won't happen any time soon.

Thanks, everyone.

Mike
helix7

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #72 on:** May 19, 2012, 13:15 »

Quote from: EmberMike on May 19, 2012, 13:00

Hey guys. Sorry to cut and run. And thanks for the kind emails I've received.

I'm not banned. Just need to step away from the forums for a while. Sorry I didn't fully explain that, and please know that this is not only because of this thread. Right now I just feel like I'm wasting time here, there's no real discussion around anything positive these days, and I really need a break from all of the agency talk. It's not going anywhere.

I also had the opportunity to meet with some folks at SS recently and one of the things that came out of that conversation was a renewed realization that focusing on my work is what matters, and the rest of it is all just silly little stuff. There's nothing good coming out of being concerned with a lot of the things we get concerned with here.

So I'm focusing on my work, which really is the only thing that makes any difference in my income and it used to be what people talked about around here. Now it's all just which agency is screwing us over, which new whatever is bad for business, etc. None of this is helpful, and none of these discussions lead to any positive change.

I'll still be keeping in touch with the small regular group of folks I talk to on Skype and via email. I still love talking shop about microstock, that will never change. But the forums aren't the place for me to do that anymore. Anyone looking to reach me can do so through my website, emberstock.com.

If I do come back to the forums it will be under this new username, but that won't happen any time soon.

Thanks, everyone.

Mike
helix7

Certainly empathize. Not many gold nuggets being found in the crap spread throughout our favorite forum. $:-\$

stockastic · « **Reply #73 on:** May 19, 2012, 13:15 »

Quote from: jsnover on May 18, 2012, 21:51

In my statement tab I see the amount I got paid, the rate (33%) and then the Price column on the right - that's what the buyer paid. I meant $2.97 not $2.67 - that's for a $9 XXL sale and it's $2.31 for a $7 sale.

It doesn't show size but if you look at the image page it says $9 is for an XXL, $ for XL and so on. I'm inferring the size from the price.

So far all the sales I get are small sizes. That might relate to the sorts of images I do, which I guess is another indication that PD isn't for me.

velocicarpo · « **Reply #74 on:** May 19, 2012, 14:31 »

Quote from: EmberMike on May 19, 2012, 13:00

Hey guys. Sorry to cut and run. And thanks for the kind emails I've received.

I'm not banned. Just need to step away from the forums for a while. Sorry I didn't fully explain that, and please know that this is not only because of this thread. Right now I just feel like I'm wasting time here, there's no real discussion around anything positive these days, and I really need a break from all of the agency talk. It's not going anywhere.

I also had the opportunity to meet with some folks at SS recently and one of the things that came out of that conversation was a renewed realization that focusing on my work is what matters, and the rest of it is all just silly little stuff. There's nothing good coming out of being concerned with a lot of the things we get concerned with here.

So I'm focusing on my work, which really is the only thing that makes any difference in my income and it used to be what people talked about around here. Now it's all just which agency is screwing us over, which new whatever is bad for business, etc. None of this is helpful, and none of these discussions lead to any positive change.

I'll still be keeping in touch with the small regular group of folks I talk to on Skype and via email. I still love talking shop about microstock, that will never change. But the forums aren't the place for me to do that anymore. Anyone looking to reach me can do so through my website, emberstock.com.

If I do come back to the forums it will be under this new username, but that won't happen any time soon.

Thanks, everyone.

Mike
helix7

Cool. Thanks for the post, I totally understand. Sometimes the vibes here are hard to bear. However, you will be always welcome

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Author Topic: A call to arms - Support StockFresh (Read 40436 times)

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