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Author Topic: StockFresh - from Peter Hamza and Andras Pfaff  (Read 275808 times)

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« Reply #325 on: September 06, 2010, 08:44 »
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I have turned the tables on them. It is more than three months since they opened their doors and they are still waiting for me to apply.  I think I will let them wait a little longer. :D


« Reply #326 on: September 06, 2010, 09:00 »
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I was expecting a answer regarding my application after vacations but nothing...

3 months now :P

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« Reply #327 on: September 06, 2010, 14:20 »
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I have turned the tables on them. It is more than three months since they opened their doors and they are still waiting for me to apply.  I think I will let them wait a little longer. :D

I have a similar strategy. I have been approved, but I am going to wait 3 months before I start to upload.  ;)

« Reply #328 on: September 06, 2010, 14:26 »
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I have a similar strategy. I have been approved, but I am going to wait 3 months before I start to upload.  ;)
+ 1.

jbarber873

« Reply #329 on: September 06, 2010, 20:00 »
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My strategy is to upload, and wait 3 months for a sale...

helix7

« Reply #330 on: September 06, 2010, 21:00 »
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What's with all the complaining? The Stockfresh guys came in here in June and explained what was going on. This has been a progressive launch, with new contributors being added when it's feasible to do so. Nothing about that was kept secret. And I don't recall Peter ever saying that applications would be reviewed within any specific timeframe.

It's like a children's forum in here sometimes. If it's not whining about application approvals, it's complaints about image review speed, images rejections, sales, etc. If you're so bothered by how Stockfresh is doing things, why are you even waiting around for an application approval?

« Reply #331 on: September 06, 2010, 21:32 »
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Whining? I'm not even on SF and I think 3 months for review is obscene. Yes, they have been upfront, but come on.

« Reply #332 on: September 07, 2010, 04:56 »
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What's with all the complaining? The Stockfresh guys came in here in June and explained what was going on. This has been a progressive launch, with new contributors being added when it's feasible to do so. Nothing about that was kept secret. And I don't recall Peter ever saying that applications would be reviewed within any specific timeframe.

It's like a children's forum in here sometimes. If it's not whining about application approvals, it's complaints about image review speed, images rejections, sales, etc. If you're so bothered by how Stockfresh is doing things, why are you even waiting around for an application approval?

Can I disagree??

« Reply #333 on: September 07, 2010, 05:50 »
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I have a similar strategy. I have been approved, but I am going to wait 3 months before I start to upload.  ;)
+ 1.

Excellent sales strategy.

« Reply #334 on: September 07, 2010, 06:12 »
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What's with all the complaining? The Stockfresh guys came in here in June and explained what was going on. This has been a progressive launch, with new contributors being added when it's feasible to do so. Nothing about that was kept secret. And I don't recall Peter ever saying that applications would be reviewed within any specific timeframe.


Well, yeah, it kind of was. Read the very first post. The site was announced as being launched and ready for business. Here's Lee's quote in the blog:
"Today, the new agency opens its doors to both contributors and buyers. The site is fully functional and well refined. Its not even in beta. Its actually easier to use and faster than many microstock agency websites that have been online for years." At least four contributors were already online. That was on June 1. It wasn't until June 17, after we all started to wonder why it was taking so long to get accepted or rejected, that Peter came here and explained about the trickle acceptance policy. Being upfront with that information means that it would have been mentioned in the original release that Lee posted, and in the blog. And here. On Day 1. But of course there still would have been whining about that.  ;)

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It's like a children's forum in here sometimes. If it's not whining about application approvals, it's complaints about image review speed, images rejections, sales, etc. If you're so bothered by how Stockfresh is doing things, why are you even waiting around for an application approval?

I guess some people had high hopes and was hoping Stockfresh would deliver.

« Reply #335 on: September 07, 2010, 06:14 »
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I have a similar strategy. I have been approved, but I am going to wait 3 months before I start to upload.  ;)
+ 1.

Excellent sales strategy.

The operative word being sales. When I hear there are some, I will begin the uploads.

« Reply #336 on: September 07, 2010, 06:59 »
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I have a similar strategy. I have been approved, but I am going to wait 3 months before I start to upload.  ;)
+ 1.
Excellent sales strategy.
OK, I need to explain better. A picture rejected won't sell at all. I encountered a number of peculiar rejects (some accepted by iStock) in a niche where I sell relatively well in general: scapes, places, landmarks, transport, real stuff. They showed a tendency to reject all that wasn't studio models overwhite in the beginning. I'd like to see if that is rather a collection choice, or an accident.

For that, the reviewers need to be a bit mellowed first. They were spoiled in the begin by the merchandise of the top guns in the industry. They might have to lower their standards a bit for the regulars, or they will get stuck at 1M images.

There is also a cam problem. They accepted nearly all my 5DII things but not my D200 or DSC things. Of course, there is a huge technical difference between those cams but those older shots are/were good enough for iStock. So I'd like to see first if they will become another Crestock: top quality for peanuts, - or become a little more relaxed like DP and grow quickly. Since for now, they don't have any USP over the 10M image sites.

That's the strategy: be rejected early = no sales. Be accepted later = possible sales.

« Reply #337 on: September 07, 2010, 15:55 »
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So I'd like to see first if they will become another Crestock: top quality for peanuts, - or become a little more relaxed like DP and grow quickly. Since for now, they don't have any USP over the 10M image sites.

Each agency has their own ways, goals and resources. We certainly don't want to be like Crestock. Not sure how relaxed DP reviews are, so I can't comment on that, but we're trying to find the right balance between flooding the site and rejecting everything. Diversity is important.

As for USP, with this logic we're doomed already because we're never going to get as many images as the big 5. When we get to 5M they're going to have 20M. While microstock is about quantity to some extent, there are a lot of other factors that can make someone stick to a site such as the UI, search results, customer service, prices, and personal preference in general. Not all people like to shop at the same place. That having said 1M pics is the absolute minimum in this business to be taken seriously, but as a customer I wouldn't choose a 10M site over a 5M site just because of the numbers. I'd do a search and see if I like the results.

helix7

« Reply #338 on: September 07, 2010, 16:38 »
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Peter, congrats to you and the other microstock company owners who are on the receiving end of today's generous gift from Getty. With istock pretty much screwing over their entire contributor base and you guys offering an enticing 50% rate, hopefully you'll benefit nicely from the mass exodus of istock exclusives. :)

Microbius

« Reply #339 on: September 07, 2010, 16:41 »
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Peter, congrats to you and the other microstock company owners who are on the receiving end of today's generous gift from Getty. With istock pretty much screwing over their entire contributor base and you guys offering an enticing 50% rate, hopefully you'll benefit nicely from the mass exodus of istock exclusives. :)

Right on. Long live StockFresh

rubyroo

« Reply #340 on: September 08, 2010, 04:54 »
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As for USP, with this logic we're doomed already because we're never going to get as many images as the big 5. When we get to 5M they're going to have 20M.

Don't be so sure about that... the game may have changed today with iStock's commission cut announcement.

It seems (looking at the discussions) that some buyers have a sense of ethics and do care about the cut to the artist - so why not use that as part of your USP?  The most important thing is getting the right search results and, as you say, having the right balance between diversity and quality.  If you get those things right - and really nail those search results, there's no reason why you couldn't be top of the tree, even with fewer images.  (IMHO).

« Reply #341 on: September 08, 2010, 05:47 »
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I have a similar strategy. I have been approved, but I am going to wait 3 months before I start to upload.  ;)
+ 1.

Excellent sales strategy.

The operative word being sales. When I hear there are some, I will begin the uploads.
There are some, get uploading :)  If everyone waited for sales, the site wouldn't have a chance.  This is the big problem for all new sites, buyers wont use them if they have a small collection, contributors wont use them if they don't have buyers.  Their only chance is if we break this by uploading everything we can and leaving them to bring in the buyers.

Hopefully this site is a bit different because so many of us really want them to succeed, after a good experience with StockXpert but they will still need us to take a gamble and upload as much as possible.

« Reply #342 on: September 08, 2010, 06:08 »
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I have a similar strategy. I have been approved, but I am going to wait 3 months before I start to upload.  ;)
+ 1.

Excellent sales strategy.

The operative word being sales. When I hear there are some, I will begin the uploads.
There are some, get uploading :)  If everyone waited for sales, the site wouldn't have a chance.  This is the big problem for all new sites, buyers wont use them if they have a small collection, contributors wont use them if they don't have buyers.  Their only chance is if we break this by uploading everything we can and leaving them to bring in the buyers.

Hopefully this site is a bit different because so many of us really want them to succeed, after a good experience with StockXpert but they will still need us to take a gamble and upload as much as possible.

I got one sale :) it was about a week ago.

runnning about 10% rejection rate with my mixed bag of images.

« Reply #343 on: September 08, 2010, 06:21 »
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It seems (looking at the discussions) that some buyers have a sense of ethics and do care about the cut to the artist - so why not use that as part of your USP?

I forgot to include that. I believe customers - being creatives themselves who also hate when their work is undervalued - do or should care about the cut contributors get and we do point it out on our website that we're giving them fair royalties. I'm pretty sure many customers are unfamiliar with the royalty rates at different agencies though and they need to be educated. For this we need the help of contributors too.

« Reply #344 on: September 08, 2010, 07:11 »
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I have a similar strategy. I have been approved, but I am going to wait 3 months before I start to upload.  ;)
+ 1.

Excellent sales strategy.

The operative word being sales. When I hear there are some, I will begin the uploads.
There are some, get uploading :)  If everyone waited for sales, the site wouldn't have a chance.  This is the big problem for all new sites, buyers wont use them if they have a small collection, contributors wont use them if they don't have buyers.  Their only chance is if we break this by uploading everything we can and leaving them to bring in the buyers.

Hopefully this site is a bit different because so many of us really want them to succeed, after a good experience with StockXpert but they will still need us to take a gamble and upload as much as possible.

You've convinced me. Plus this last IS announcement is like the straw...my back is broken. The writing has been on the wall for quite a while...if they want indies gone, they've got it.

« Reply #345 on: September 08, 2010, 07:41 »
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I hope lots of people will support Stockfresh. I know I will.

(And, with just 36 images I already had a $2,5 sale)

« Reply #346 on: September 08, 2010, 07:51 »
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I hope lots of people will support Stockfresh. I know I will.

(And, with just 36 images I already had a $2,5 sale)

If only I got accepted... 3 months waiting for my application to be processed!

« Reply #347 on: September 08, 2010, 08:05 »
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I hope lots of people will support Stockfresh. I know I will.

(And, with just 36 images I already had a $2,5 sale)

If only I got accepted... 3 months waiting for my application to be processed!

You will eventually, they have a huge backlog of photographers and illustrators waiting to get in at the moment. Just be patient with them, the site is brand new.

« Reply #348 on: September 08, 2010, 08:13 »
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I hope the Istockers will stop uploading there now, just for a while at least. I know I have. I would love to see Stockfresh get results but I would love it more when first I would get in.

ayzek

« Reply #349 on: September 08, 2010, 10:07 »
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Each agency has their own ways, goals and resources. We certainly don't want to be like Crestock. Not sure how relaxed DP reviews are, so I can't comment on that, but we're trying to find the right balance between flooding the site and rejecting everything. Diversity is important.
Why dont you leave this to your customers. a review (upload) system should be realy nice according to selling performance. No inspectors and no review times. Pics that are not selling for some time period should be deleted.


As for USP, with this logic we're doomed already because we're never going to get as many images as the big 5. When we get to 5M they're going to have 20M. While microstock is about quantity to some extent, there are a lot of other factors that can make someone stick to a site such as the UI, search results, customer service, prices, and personal preference in general. Not all people like to shop at the same place. That having said 1M pics is the absolute minimum in this business to be taken seriously, but as a customer I wouldn't choose a 10M site over a 5M site just because of the numbers. I'd do a search and see if I like the results.
How many images do you have i dont know but i saw your collection is not differnet than others. There is so many people has got more than 5000 pics in their portfolia and you can find their images cheaper in some other stocks. This is not a good kind of diversity. Also, did you reviews all their images?
What dou you think about the exclusivity for having uniqe colection?
i liked your image prices(1-20$) and style of site.
Realy good work.

Sory for my bad English.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2010, 10:10 by ayzek »


 

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