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« Reply #400 on: September 12, 2010, 18:12 »
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StockXpert was second tier for me, running a couple of percentage points behind Dreamstime and Fotolia and well ahead of BigStock and 123 before Getty pulled the plug.  I'd be pleased to see StockFresh do as well, and I'm uploading there in anticipation of their success.


lisafx

« Reply #401 on: September 12, 2010, 18:23 »
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We have had offers from other microstock sites to feed traffic to them but we chose to link to Stockfresh because it is an independent site like RGB and we've all had more than a bellyfull of grasping corporations. 

I think at this point you would be hard pressed to find anyone in these forums who disagrees about "grasping corporations"  :P

Sounds like RGB and Stockfresh can make a good partnership, like SXC and StockXpert.  :)

StockXpert was second tier for me, running a couple of percentage points behind Dreamstime and Fotolia and well ahead of BigStock and 123 before Getty pulled the plug.  I'd be pleased to see StockFresh do as well, and I'm uploading there in anticipation of their success.

Yet again I find myself agreeing with you 100% Harris :D

StockXpert was second tier for me, but HIGH second tier.  If there had been a Big 5 they would have been on it.  I still have never recovered the lost income from their closing. 

Of course I am not exclusive, but I am sure one "istocker" that was mourning, and not celebrating when StockXpert was closed down  :'(

« Reply #402 on: September 12, 2010, 23:29 »
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As for image pirating, not having subscriptions doesn't make any difference. It's an interesting topic though because I'm sure many people here contribute to a stock agency that's pretty much connected to a Rapidshare-like service and nobody seems to have an issue with it. But that's a different story :)
Which agency is that?
Double ETA just tracked down the thread where FD tracked down the connections, double glad I don't upload there!
Yap, that was me. I had a big issue with it. Peter is right.  :P - Well, I'm still waiting for RapidPhotos;D

« Reply #403 on: September 13, 2010, 04:13 »
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Rubyroo you stated that you do not like free sites but you are more than willing to accept what RGB can give.  We at RGB Towers dont expect anyone to fall to their knees out of gratitude for our help but your words stung like a smack in the face.  The RGB team wants to see Stockfresh succeed.  We want to see Stockfresh exceed StockXperts aspirations.  We are willing to do what we can to help you achieve this even though we dont owe a single one of you a living.  Whats not to like?

Okay, so RGB supplies free, good quality images.  We supply ordinary people with non-commercial stock because not everyone has a business account that stretches to buying microstock images.  Ask yourself why SXC still survives but StockXpert doesnt.  Because SXC is useful to iStock and its use outweighs the very limited potential threat to business.  StockXpert, on the other hand, was a direct rival offering better incentives and had to die.  Stockfresh has risen from those bitter ashes and it is in all our interests to see it fly.  Members of the RGB team have worked with and/or for Peter for a number of years including myself.  Its an association that worked rather well right up until Gettyisation.  Although we RGBers are independent we are happy to continue to work with Peter and direct traffic to Stockfresh; traffic we anticipate will grow as fast as RGB is currently growing .  Just because we at RGB provide free images it does not make us either an enemy or a rival.

I hope Ive made RGBs position clear and that we can all move on from here.  :0)

Acknowledgement to lisafx for her kind words and to Phil who was puzzled by my comment.

rubyroo

« Reply #404 on: September 13, 2010, 04:31 »
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Weirdvis - I'm so sorry, I really didn't realise my rather brief comment there would hit you so hard.  I didn't mean any malice by it at all... it was just a clumsy few words behind which lay a fear of putting my *own* images out for free.  It's a personal thing that I struggle with hugely, for reasons I don't want to discuss in a public forum - and I'm sure I carry around a lot of fears that may turn out to be groundless.

I certainly didn't mean it to be any judgement on other people giving away free images.  It's just a personal thing - but I didn't express it well at all.  I hope you'll accept this apology from someone who can sometimes unintentionally sacrifice clarity for the sake of brevity.

My partner has removed his images from SXC, and will be sending them through to RGB asap.  I love him for that (among many other things), and for not having the (possibly stupid) inner conflict that I do.

Believe me, I couldn't even bring myself to kill an insect, let alone smack someone in the face (even metaphorically). 

« Reply #405 on: September 13, 2010, 05:01 »
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rubyroo - I'm pleased you now understand RGB's position and thank you for your kind words.  RGB looks forward to hopefully working with Stockfresh for a long time to come and to see both our stars ascend despite the greedy corporate opposition.

I wish all Stockfreshers the best of luck.  We've all travelled this path once before so we know we can work the magic - better this time.  :D

rubyroo

« Reply #406 on: September 13, 2010, 05:17 »
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rubyroo - I'm pleased you now understand RGB's position and thank you for your kind words.  RGB looks forward to hopefully working with Stockfresh for a long time to come and to see both our stars ascend despite the greedy corporate opposition.

I wish all Stockfreshers the best of luck.  We've all travelled this path once before so we know we can work the magic - better this time.  :D

I'm so relieved to read this.  You're welcome.   Many thanks to you too, and hear hear!

Hopefully one day I'll get past all this inner history and send you some freebies myself... I much prefer the relaxed and altruistic "me" to this other uptight and fearful one who pops her head up from time to time in the wrong places!  Thanks for understanding   :)

« Reply #407 on: September 13, 2010, 05:25 »
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I'm one of the RGBStockers.  We are growing exponentially and are happy to feed traffic to Stockfresh because of the long association the RGB team have with Peter Hamza.  The association has always worked well and we hope it continues to do so.  The engine that ran SXC and helped create all that startling amount of traffic is now harnessed to RGB.  Unlike SXC we are independent of anyone.  You might not be a fan of free images but you need us more than we need you.  We have had offers from other microstock sites to feed traffic to them but we chose to link to Stockfresh because it is an independent site like RGB and we've all had more than a bellyfull of grasping corporations.  The reaction of iStockers when Getty acquired SXC sickened us to the point where many of us deleted our galleries, broke away and created a new site.  I'm disappointed that the same hubristic reaction is apparently alive and well at Stockfresh.  I hope I don't see it again.

"We are dedicated to making high quality images available to those who cannot afford to pay for them."

OMG.

Their next venture: "Paying you $5 every time you use our images..."
« Last Edit: September 13, 2010, 05:26 by sjlocke »

« Reply #408 on: September 13, 2010, 06:21 »
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Wait a minute...I just want to be sure I'm understanding...

If my photos are placed on StockFresh, are they automatically going to RGB?

« Reply #409 on: September 13, 2010, 06:25 »
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Wait a minute...I just want to be sure I'm understanding...
If my photos are placed on StockFresh, are they automatically going to RGB?

Why would they go to RGB? It's a completely separate site.

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #410 on: September 13, 2010, 06:40 »
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Peter, don't you think this could be a good time to process our 3-months old applications?

so we may start uploading our ports before the new wave of people running away from another site joins in, cluttering the q even more

« Reply #411 on: September 13, 2010, 06:43 »
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Wait a minute...I just want to be sure I'm understanding...
If my photos are placed on StockFresh, are they automatically going to RGB?

Why would they go to RGB? It's a completely separate site.

For the same reason they go to subs with no opt out? Explain then why a big point is being made about how you and RGB are having a good relationship just like StockXpert and SXC did. I am going to go back and reread the threat...maybe I missed something.

« Reply #412 on: September 13, 2010, 06:47 »
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Wait a minute...I just want to be sure I'm understanding...
If my photos are placed on StockFresh, are they automatically going to RGB?

Why would they go to RGB? It's a completely separate site.

For the same reason they go to subs with no opt out? Explain then why a big point is being made about how you and RGB are having a good relationship just like StockXpert and SXC did. I am going to go back and reread the threat...maybe I missed something.

What isn't there to understand?  RGB will be feeding traffic to Stockfresh.  That's it.  End of story.  No catches.  If you don't want us to do that then please say so and we'll take our affiliation somewhere else...

« Reply #413 on: September 13, 2010, 06:52 »
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Out of interest, will you be feeding through via another SXC-style site?  I recall someone at iStock saying they were really amazed at how much iStock purchasing arose via that route.


Well, I'm not sure if you're aware, but many top contributors left SXC after the transition and started a new site at http://rgbstock.com . RGB is growing very fast and although I'm not involved in that project I'm sure we'll work something out together.


Aha!  That's good to know.  I have to say I'm not a fan of giving free images away myself, but if some connection between the two of you will bring such startling amounts of purchasers to Stockfresh, then I'm happy to hear of this.


I'm one of the RGBStockers.  We are growing exponentially and are happy to feed traffic to Stockfresh because of the long association the RGB team have with Peter Hamza.  The association has always worked well and we hope it continues to do so.  The engine that ran SXC and helped create all that startling amount of traffic is now harnessed to RGB.  Unlike SXC we are independent of anyone.  You might not be a fan of free images but you need us more than we need you.  We have had offers from other microstock sites to feed traffic to them but we chose to link to Stockfresh because it is an independent site like RGB and we've all had more than a bellyfull of grasping corporations.  The reaction of iStockers when Getty acquired SXC sickened us to the point where many of us deleted our galleries, broke away and created a new site.  I'm disappointed that the same hubristic reaction is apparently alive and well at Stockfresh.  I hope I don't see it again.


If buyers see my images on RGB and have to purchase them through StockFresh, that's OK with me. If my images are being given away FREE on RGB in the hopes that they will buy from StockFresh, I am NOT OK with that. I don't care if you guys think "You might not be a fan of free images but you need us more than we need you." They are my images and I want the right to be able to say whether they are given away for free.

So I would appreciate a yes or no answer from you Peter...are my images automatically going to be placed on RGB and given away for free every time I upload to StockFresh?

edited after your response was posted: What isn't there to understand?  RGB will be feeding traffic to Stockfresh.  That's it.  End of story.  No catches.  If you don't want us to do that then please say so and we'll take our affiliation somewhere else...

Feeding traffic to Stockfresh is a pretty vague statement. Please clarify. Where do I get paid for my image?
« Last Edit: September 13, 2010, 06:54 by cclapper »

« Reply #414 on: September 13, 2010, 06:58 »
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So I would appreciate a yes or no answer from you Peter...are my images automatically going to be placed on RGB and given away for free every time I upload to StockFresh?

Are you nuts? Why would we give them away for free?

« Reply #415 on: September 13, 2010, 07:04 »
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Please be assured that Stockfresh images WILL NOT be given away free on RGB.  We intend to feed traffic to Stockfresh in the way that SXC fed traffic to StockXpert.  The main difference is that under the SXC umbrella we worked for Peter while RGB, a breakaway group from SXC, is autonomous.

« Reply #416 on: September 13, 2010, 07:05 »
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Got my approval e-mail today, will start uploading tonight.
I do hope SF will be a big success.

« Reply #417 on: September 13, 2010, 07:09 »
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cclapper- Feeding traffic to Stockfresh is a pretty vague statement. Please clarify. Where do I get paid for my image

face/palm

You upload your images to Stockfresh. Stockfresh pays you.  We stupid beggars at RGB are trying to help you to sell your images out of the kindness of our deluded hearts for no remuneration.  What is so vague about that?


rubyroo

« Reply #419 on: September 13, 2010, 07:13 »
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I think it's difficult for someone to understand if they're not aware of how SXC worked.

I'll try to explain, but I only know via my partner's experience, and hopefully peter or Weirdvis will correct me if I get anything wrong.

The free site (in this case RGB) operates as a separate entity.  People who want to put images up there for free submit them.  I don't think any are ever rejected(?)  I know my partner only sent through images that were rejected by all the paying agencies.

If the free site chooses to affiliate with a paying agency (in this case Stockfresh), they put tools on the free site to help direct people through to the agency's site, and this generates huge amounts of traffic towards the paying site which might not otherwise occur.

Therefore, even people who've never heard of the free site, and don't contribute to it at all, benefit from the inflow of curious traffic from the free site. i.e people at iStock are currently enjoying traffic from SXC - even if they're not aware of it.  Just as we independents used to enjoy the benefits of traffic from SXC to StockXpert.

I hope I have that all straight.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2010, 07:16 by rubyroo »


« Reply #421 on: September 13, 2010, 07:23 »
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Peter, you have your work cut out...   ::)

rubyroo

« Reply #422 on: September 13, 2010, 07:27 »
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There's no shame in lacking familiarity with something and seeking to understand.  I'm sure we've all been there, and will be again.

« Reply #423 on: September 13, 2010, 07:31 »
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Peter, you have your work cut out...   ::)

I really don't appreciate all of the sarcasm and the intonation that I am stupid.

You need to check around a little. Currently, my images, after they reach a certain age, automatically go into the FREE section at IS. There used to be an opt-out for that, but it magically disappeared a while back. I only found out about this after checking the FREE section on my own. Then I had to delete them all. Now, I have to check periodically to make sure there are none there.

You should be ashamed of yourself for making me look like a total idiot for asking those questions after what just happened at IS. If you think I am going to blindly trust ANY agency right now, you're the ignorant ones.

« Reply #424 on: September 13, 2010, 07:31 »
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Rubyroo - I couldn't have put it better myself.  It's the reason why other microstock sites are keen to have us affiliate with them.  We prefer to support an independent instead.  From longstanding association we know and respect Peter so directing traffic to Stockfresh is a natural choice for us to make.  :)  


 

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